Tren A/Test C/Winstrol Cycle Started 6/2/14

[tango02]

Pinned 250mg Test C, 75mg Tren A on Sunday with no negative reactions. I was VERY careful about the sterilization of all items. So this was not an allergic reaction of any kind to the oil being used. It was simply me being slightly careless...not sure where it happened but it did. Lesson learned.

The redness has subsided and the pain is gone from my right thigh. So the antibiotic is working. Got lucky on this one, wont let it happen again. Just one more thing to be extra careful about when doing this guys...could really fvck yourself up if not careful every time you pin.

[Matt007]

Any before and now pics bro? Lol, at a 900 cal deficit I would figure cardio is optional, but thats my opionion

[tango02]

Any before and now pics bro? Lol, at a 900 cal deficit I would figure cardio is optional, but thats my opionion

Well I am down to 211lbs as of right now. I will take some tonight when I get off work. No extremely noticeable results as of right now after only a week. Today is day 1 of week 2. Traps are bigger upper abs more defined, triceps and biceps have grown. Not sure how well I can portray these changes in a photo but I will try.

[tango02]

Ordered some T3 today to get the rest of the BF off more quickly. Going to go down to 190ish. Should be around 12% then.

[Matt007]

No need for t3 bro from my experience a great diet will get u where u wanna be, gun for 1% body fat loss per week or 1/2" off waist line per week is very doable, was in that range on my cut without adding t3 or anything just my cruise dose at 200mg/week
In my eyes t3 is great for the last bit of stubburn fat when u get down to a low bf percentage

[tango02]

What was your calorie intake at the time?

[SEOINAGE]

I don't think I would personally do t3 again at all, maybe in a rare situation trying to get 5% or lower bodyfat I don't know, I just don't think it is needed when you have that rebound period when coming off.

[tango02]

I don't think I would personally do t3 again at all, maybe in a rare situation trying to get 5% or lower bodyfat I don't know, I just don't think it is needed when you have that rebound period when coming off.

rebound period?

[SEOINAGE]

your natural levels can take some time to come back to normal after dropping t3, sometimes as long as a month, different for everyone.

[tango02]

your natural levels can take some time to come back to normal after dropping t3, sometimes as long as a month, different for everyone.

How did this affect you?

[SEOINAGE]

I gained some weight and I was alternate day fasting, should have lost substantial weight, then went into two weeks of insanely low calories and no carbs with much less fat loss than normal, then followed up with two weeks of carbs and maintenance calories to let my thyroid better get back to normal, had blood tests last friday so I will know soon if it helped. but I gained some weight, body fat is fine though, but it was intense honestly, and should have had more fat loss with what I did. As far as I know though, you need some carbs to get your thyroid going.

[tango02]

Pinned 250mg Test C, 75mg Tren A on Sunday with no negative reactions. I was VERY careful about the sterilization of all items. So this was not an allergic reaction of any kind to the oil being used. It was simply me being slightly careless...not sure where it happened but it did. Lesson learned.

The redness has subsided and the pain is gone from my right thigh. So the antibiotic is working. Got lucky on this one, wont let it happen again. Just one more thing to be extra careful about when doing this guys...could really fvck yourself up if not careful every time you pin.

Well FML, looks like 48 hours after pinning the cellulitus is back. I made 100% sure everything was very sterile at the time of injection. I am not sure what is causing this. I am leaning towards an allergic reaction to something in the Test. This does not happen with the Tren. I got some claritin this morning just in case it is an allergic reaction. The gear is made my Ischus and I have heard good things about them.

Could the pin be too short? and I am essentially pinning 1cc of gear sub q? I can see where this would cause any one problems. I have some longer pins that I could use. Could my body just not absorb the Test as well as it does the Tren? Could the Test become unstable once in my body for some reason? This is starting to become worrisome because if I cant get this figured out it could cause me to have to stop this cycle. I have way too much time and money invested in this for this to be an option unless it is just absolutely needed.

[tango02]

Any before and now pics bro? Lol, at a 900 cal deficit I would figure cardio is optional, but thats my opionion

Not the best pics in the world but results after 7 days. The Before is to the far left...

[tango02]

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[auswest]

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[tango02]

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[SEOINAGE]

how long is your needle? You should never pin 1cc subq. 1" is all I use but you are carrying a bit of bodyfat, would still think that is sufficient in most places. Also your gear could be dirty, you can refilter it and autoclave on top of it if you want. I get bad reactions with test subq so I stopped doing it that way, would get bad lumps and sometimes get really red and huge.

[tango02]

how long is your needle? You should never pin 1cc subq. 1" is all I use but you are carrying a bit of bodyfat, would still think that is sufficient in most places. Also your gear could be dirty, you can refilter it and autoclave on top of it if you want. I get bad reactions with test subq so I stopped doing it that way, would get bad lumps and sometimes get really red and huge.

I believe they are 1.5 but I would have to double check. And I am not purposely injecting sub q. I was asking if maybe I was unintentionally because of the PIP and too short needle. I do have some 2in pins that I am going to try. and if it was the pins being too short...why wouldnt I get this reaction from the Tren also?

[EquilibriumZ]

How old are you?
Tbh you didn't even need to touch gear..

[Matt007]

Started out slow, 200 cals below maintanence to shift things slowly after my fatty bulk session lol, then by week 7 or so was running 500 below maintanence and still loosing 1% bf per week, by week 10 I was down to 800 cal deficit 100g carbs a day, 50g pre/post w/o thats it
Pro stayed around the same 275, kept fat around the 50g mark, 1 refeed day per week, sundays went all out, and back dieting again next week, very strict diet during the week, refeeds are good for physical and exspexially mental aspects of the game, remember dont be affraid to add some flavour to your food, just keep track of the nutrition value it contains

[Matt007]

Key is to keep a progress log, and keep track of your diet week by week, i got 16 weeks of pages in mine lol, take measurements once a week, waist, neck, weight, i also use calipers as well but always measure, make it a sunday, first thing when u wake up after taking a piss or shit, with the same shorts on, make adjustments to your diet if needed, no need to weigh yourself each day dieting, once a week is fine

[tango02]

How old are you?
Tbh you didn't even need to touch gear..

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[tango02]

How old are you?
Tbh you didn't even need to touch gear..

Read first post 29yo

[SEOINAGE]

I believe they are 1.5 but I would have to double check. And I am not purposely injecting sub q. I was asking if maybe I was unintentionally because of the PIP and too short needle. I do have some 2in pins that I am going to try. and if it was the pins being too short...why wouldnt I get this reaction from the Tren also?

There's no way you are hitting subq with 1.5" needle into you, you realize you would have to have a 1.5" fat layer for it to go subq? No way your quads or glutes have that on them in the proper pinning areas.

I wouldn't touch your test anymore, refilter it or get clean gear. Tren hurts like a mother ****er subq, and stings for days, I know my needle slipped out and got a bunch sub q on my rear this past weekend.

[tango02]

There's no way you are hitting subq with 1.5" needle into you, you realize you would have to have a 1.5" fat layer for it to go subq? No way your quads or glutes have that on them in the proper pinning areas.

I wouldn't touch your test anymore, refilter it or get clean gear. Tren hurts like a mother ****er subq, and stings for days, I know my needle slipped out and got a bunch sub q on my rear this past weekend.

I have never re-filtered any gear before. Is it as simple as getting a syringe filter and sterile vial? Or would they need to be re-sterilized with a heating process? Any bad reviews about gear from Ischus?

[SEOINAGE]

I don't know anything about them. but this would put up a red flag imo.

.22 whatman, get some presterilized vials, you draw up with a syringe, attach the filter, then inject into the sterile vial. Check out the homebrew section. It really is simple.

[tango02]

I don't know anything about them. but this would put up a red flag imo.

.22 whatman, get some presterilized vials, you draw up with a syringe, attach the filter, then inject into the sterile vial. Check out the homebrew section. It really is simple.

I will check it out for sure man thanks.

[tango02]

I do have another vial of Test C that I haven't opened that I could try on the next pin....

[tango02]

I also have the option of switch out the unopened vial with a different batch of Test E....think its worth trying? going from Test C to Test E

[auswest]

How how long have you been training for? Do you expect to keep any "gains" from this cycle?

[tango02]

I don't know anything about them. but this would put up a red flag imo.

.22 whatman, get some presterilized vials, you draw up with a syringe, attach the filter, then inject into the sterile vial. Check out the homebrew section. It really is simple.

I got a .22 filter, a 10cc syringe, and (2) 10cc sterile vials on order. Going to try to filter and re-sterilize. My buddy that is using the exact same gear isnt having this reaction to it. He seems to think it could be the Benzo Alcohol in it.

[tango02]

How how long have you been training for? Do you expect to keep any "gains" from this cycle?

Absolutely, The goal of this cycle isnt to become some super ripped up monster meathead. I am trying to cut fat and improve strength...which I already have done actually. And was doing previous to the cycle as well. I think you misunderstand my goals for this based on your condescending question...at least it came across that way.

My diet is in check, my WO routine is solid and I understand the compounds I am putting into my body. So yes I fully expect to retain my "gains" from this.

[auswest]

Absolutely, The goal of this cycle isnt to become some super ripped up monster meathead. I am trying to cut fat and improve strength...which I already have done actually. And was doing previous to the cycle as well. I think you misunderstand my goals for this based on your condescending question...at least it came across that way. My diet is in check, my WO routine is solid and I understand the compounds I am putting into my body. So yes I fully expect to retain my "gains" from this.

Training and diet does not look in check at all. Good luck with what could have been obtained by going to the gym for 3 months and eating healthy. All you are achieving is negatively effecting your natural hormones for when you are off, and you will struggle even more to see any kind of results let alone maintain anything the drugs have helped you achieve.good luck

[Schwarzenegger]

Training and diet does not look in check at all. Good luck with what could have been obtained by going to the gym for 3 months and eating healthy. All you are achieving is negatively effecting your natural hormones for when you are off, and you will struggle even more to see any kind of results let alone maintain anything the drugs have helped you achieve.good luck

I agree with this. Idk if this is ur first cycle or not but u sound very inexperienced to be messing with tren let alone a cycle. To be honest, no disrespect, but it doesn't even look like u workout from the pics u posted and def not 18% bf regardless of wut calipers or a machine says or whichever method u used. Early 20's prolly 22%. But to each their own. Before you take it personally and lash out, just giving some constructive criticism. Hopefully u get something out of this cycle, good luck.

[EquilibriumZ]

^^ what they said..

[Back In Black]

^^^agreed as well. IMO you are a number of weeks away from even being 20% bodyfat. No offence but you seem to be trying to run before you can even crawl.

I have no doubt you will continue this cycle no matter what anybody else recommends so I'm just going to wish you good luck for now and, particularly, the future.

[tango02]

No offense taken guys, you all are more than entitled to your opinions as I am to mine. But your opinion is just that....an opinion. I have pretty thick skin so there isn't anything that anyone is going to say that I cant take.

As for my diet, my macros are on points, my meal plan is set and planned out well everyday. I am eating just over my BMR. I have attached a screen shot of my meal plan and also the spreadsheet I use to calculate my BF...both spreadsheets came from Roman I believe. And from my experience his excel sheets are on point. So you can call his work crap if you want but it works for me. I have used these same sheets since day one and I use a tape to take my measurements not a shitty caliper. Measurements taken before and after using the same sheet equals consistent data...correct? So whatever im doing is working. I am visibly leaner, clothes fit better, # on the scale is going down consistently so I think I will keep on with what I have been doing in the kitchen.


As for the comment on my knowledge of the compounds I am using. You really have no grounds to say what I do or do not know as you know nothing about my knowledge base and thats not my opinion . Do I know everything...of course not...that would make me a dick head...and im not a dick head. I can confidently say I have a good enough understanding of the compounds I am using to not only cycle them safely but come off them as well. If I felt unsafe I would choose not to cycle. I don't understand why people on here assume a person does not have an understanding of what they are doing just because they dont conform to the "normal" physique of what they think a person should look like to cycle. Not all peoples goals are the same when they cycle. My goals obviously differ from you guys and that's fine. I didnt start this log to obtain anyone's approval. And I certainly dont WO, eat the way I do or cycle for anyone but myself. I dont WO to get girls or show off, I workout because its something I enjoy and nothing else.

And you say it looks like I dont workout, So tell me exactly what does a person look like that does workout? six pack? 10%BF? 12%? Sure does seems awfully subjective questions doesn't it? So how can you be the determining factor on whether or not a person works out? Not conforming to the "norm" seems to be the common denominator to base your comments on. Just trying to understand were you are coming up with the facts behind your comments.

So I do appreciate the words guys and they have been taken into consideration. However I feel I can be safe about what I am doing and obtain my goals.

[auswest]

Good luck

[tango02]

Good luck

Thank you.

[VegasBody]

Just keep up the good work and good diet
Dont worry about any other guys
U made up your mind ,go with it
Its too late to change anything
The guys on this forum are right maybe U jumped in this too soon,yes you are about 22-24 % bf on first picture ... Try to look up a bodpod in your area
Austinite has an artical with a link how to find it in your city
Keep going dont look back,but dont forget aas is only a boost in this venture ...diet, cardio, weights are the ones that will make it happen