18 Years Old - First Cycle Log

[Deequarius]

7/9 - Back day! Today was completely killer. An IFBB pro decided to stop by in my gym and just completely ripped me apart... Dear lord. Had to reschedule my blood tests today because I was waiting for my car to get serviced and when they hoisted it up they punctured a hole in the gas tank.. FML. Blood test is now scheduled for Friday morning. Got my body fat tested as well. New stats are 211 lbs @ 8.6% BF. Loving the gains I'm seeing!

[oldnsedentary]

New stats are 211 lbs @ 8.6%

Pretty amazing. Great work. Not many can say they are at 8.6% bodyfat. How are you measuring it? I assume you are leaner than your current picture in the avatar?

[Times Roman]

Pretty amazing. Great work. Not many can say they are at 8.6% bodyfat. How are you measuring it? I assume you are leaner than your current picture in the avatar?

I sure can not.

Even when I was a competitive distance runner, same height, and only 160lbs, I didn't see my abs. No idea what my bf% was. But I watched my diet as best able given the knowledge I had back then.

The only thing I can say is if Deeq has 8.6% BF, (and knowing he hasn't been at this very long), he has been blessed with great genes.

[Deequarius]

To answer oldnsedentary's question, I would prefer to do a water submersion method but I don't have that option available to me... So instead I am using one of those (shitty) electrode testers as well as the skin fold method and I take the two and average them and that's what I report here. And in regards to my avatar, that picture was taken a while ago but I would say it's probably right around 185 pounds there @ 11-12% BF. And thank you Times! I hope this doesn't piss anyone off that has to do a lot of cardio but.. I don't do any cardio whatsoever. I prefer to just lift with intensity and decrease reset time and I see pretty decent results that way. I haven't set foot on a treadmill for over 6 months now. My brother has even lower body fat than I do naturally. He's 16 and is 6'3'' and weighs about 175 lbs at 4% BF. The level of shredded that he is all year round is almost disgusting to look at... lol.

Anyways, just got home from work (I work then night shift in a steel mill). Just finished my double scoop of casein with oats and I am ready for bed. Looking forward to hitting shoulders tomorrow, or rather later today... Good night everyone!

[Deequarius]

Actually, before I go... Is it typical to just have an OVERWHELMING urge to eat while on cycle. I can't seem to eat enough. My breakfast today consisted of a dozen whole eggs, covered in salsa and put in a XL soft-shell tortilla, 4 cups of oatmeal, and 4 CLIF bars... Then I took my preworkout, lifted and came home and drank a double scoop of protein and chased that down with 20 ozs of chicken, 12 ozs of sweet potato, two peanut butter sandwiches with granola mixed in with the peanut butter and 4 more CLIF bars... I don't think I need to go any further there but thats what my 6 meals looked like today. I ate all of that and after every meal I still didn't feel satisfied like I had ate enough which subsequently makes me feel guilty like I am not fueling potential gains enough... I just had to walk away from table because I ran out of time and needed to go to work or get to the gym, etc. Appreciate the input.

[oldnsedentary]

I hope this doesn't piss anyone off that has to do a lot of cardio but.. I don't do any cardio whatsoever.

Well, it pissed me off! LOL!

[Deequarius]

Well, it pissed me off! LOL!

Hakuna matata means no cardio for the rest of your days... lmfao

[Deequarius]

7/10 - Shoulders today! Battled the ropes leaving me completely cooked... Adopting my mindset of "it's not rest for you, it's rest for the weights" and it's working pretty well for me. Chugged a double of protein and eating some chicken and sweet potato and then I'll be on my way to pick up my car from the dealership since they punctured a hole in the gas tank yesterday...

[bass]

okay I will go out on a limb here and say that HCG is effective... Would you say at the price point of $150 for 5000 IU it is worth it?

did you know hCG is suppressive?

[Times Roman]

To answer oldnsedentary's question, I would prefer to do a water submersion method but I don't have that option available to me... So instead I am using one of those (shitty) electrode testers as well as the skin fold method and I take the two and average them and that's what I report here. And in regards to my avatar, that picture was taken a while ago but I would say it's probably right around 185 pounds there @ 11-12% BF. And thank you Times! I hope this doesn't piss anyone off - doesn't piss me off that has to do a lot of cardio but.. I don't do any cardio whatsoever. - Like I said, some people are blessed with great genes. r to just lift with intensity and decrease reset time and I see pretty decent results that way. I haven't set foot on a treadmill for over 6 months now. My brother has even lower body fat than I do naturally. He's 16 and is 6'3'' and weighs about 175 lbs at 4% BF. The level of shredded that he is all year round is almost disgusting to look at... lol.

Anyways, just got home from work (I work then night shift in a steel mill). Just finished my double scoop of casein with oats and I am ready for bed. Looking forward to hitting shoulders tomorrow, or rather later today... Good night everyone!

in RED

[jesse4466]

10 minutes of cardio pre workout should enhance the workout, get the heart going. Def works well for me.

[Deequarius]

Okay, since this is my first cycle, I didn't know what to expect to set a goal.. I started off with a conservative goal of 200-205 pounds but I have exceeded that already less than half way through the cycle by a few pounds. My new goal is to be big enough for the employees at GNC to respect me. Not sure what the protocol is over there from the corporate office but I have't been to a GNC yet where the employees respected me... even if I was bigger than them. If anyone knows how big you need to be to be granted the respect from a GNC employee that'd be great!

[Deequarius]

Hit arms and a little calves today. Have never really set a day just for arms like this... Kinds felt like I waist of a workout personally... But whatever you live and learn. Got my blood drawn today and I will post my results here on Monday once I see them! I have been getting bloody noses a lot lately and I was worried that I was getting high BP from the test but my BP today at the doctors office was 121-70 so it must just be accutane drying me out. Only 4 more weeks left of that side effect ridden drug. Perfect complexion but terrible back pains and periodic bloody noses and severely chapped lips,

[Deequarius]

Whats everyone's thoughts on this.. I find my mind drifting towards how I will execute my PCT.. I have read of some people using Clen during their PCT to maintain intensity when Test levels drop to retain as much LBM as possible... I don't plan or want to run Clen during my PCT.. however, I do have ADD (pretty strong to be honest lol) and I am prescribed to Adderall. What is everyone's thoughts on me using my ADD medication before my workout to keep up the intensity during PCT like someone would use Clen? I will be taking my Adderall throughout my PCT regardless for my school work but I am just asking if I would see benefit if it was in my system before I workout. Currently I don't take it before working out because I don't want it to be the only thing that gets me out of bed to workout and develop a dependency. But I think I can validate taking it during PCT and could easily refrain from doing it after my PCT is completed... Anyway what is everyone's thoughts?

[jesse4466]

I would get off the adderal asap before you get addicted. Narcotics are nothing to play with. Soon it leads to coke and who knows what else. It's garbage of a drug. It's no coincidence you're 18 taking it. I've rarely heard of adults being prescribed that stuff, it's always the teenagers who think they have ADD but in reality they are just normal teenagers who have a million things on their mind. My take is you need to slow it down, get your mind right, wean off both the adderal and the AAS. Your 18. I've lost a lot of friends mixing things, just not waking up in the morning. You're at that age so be careful. I thought I was invincible until people started dying then it got real. Your body has a lot of natural ability right now just being sober, clear minded and eating right. Add a little spiritual cleanse in there and sky is the limit at your age. Everyone does what they want but have to look at life as a long term investment not a quick fix.

[Deequarius]

I would get off the adderal asap before you get addicted. Narcotics are nothing to play with. Soon it leads to coke and who knows what else. It's garbage of a drug. It's no coincidence you're 18 taking it. I've rarely heard of adults being prescribed that stuff, it's always the teenagers who think they have ADD but in reality they are just normal teenagers who have a million things on their mind. My take is you need to slow it down, get your mind right, wean off both the adderal and the AAS. Your 18. I've lost a lot of friends mixing things, just not waking up in the morning. You're at that age so be careful. I thought I was invincible until people started dying then it got real. Your body has a lot of natural ability right now just being sober, clear minded and eating right. Add a little spiritual cleanse in there and sky is the limit at your age. Everyone does what they want but have to look at life as a long term investment not a quick fix.

I've been prescribed adderall for 3 years now man. And I definitely have ADD.. Never did well in school and at conferences my teachers always had one universal statement "he's smart but he just doesn't focus." I'm not addicted either. I am prescribed to take it three times a day and only choose to take it once. I understand the drug and how it interacts with the body and neurotransmitters. I wrote a 14 page paper explaining how it works with your body. So no worries there bro. And in regards to the AAS. You're a little late to the party to scare me out of it. Something I've been thinking about and planning for sometime now and I'm going on my 6th week now.

[Deequarius]

And I should say.. Didn't do well in school until I got prescribed. I don't abuse it. Someone who chooses to not take something before a workout to avoid a potential dependency is not dependent at all.

[jesse4466]

Not trying to scare you, just be careful. Any narcotic will lead to addiction eventually and can easily lead to a cross addiction with other things, including AAS.

[Deequarius]

Not trying to scare you, just be careful. Any narcotic will lead to adxdiction eventually and can easily lead to a cross addiction with other things, including AAS.

Adderall is a racmic mixture of 4 different amphetamine. i.e not a narcotic

[Times Roman]

Adderall is a racmic mixture of 4 different amphetamine. i.e not a narcotic

still, very addictive

[kapper]

I would get off the adderal asap before you get addicted. Narcotics are nothing to play with. Soon it leads to coke and who knows what else. It's garbage of a drug. It's no coincidence you're 18 taking it. I've rarely heard of adults being prescribed that stuff, it's always the teenagers who think they have ADD but in reality they are just normal teenagers who have a million things on their mind. My take is you need to slow it down, get your mind right, wean off both the adderal and the AAS. Your 18. I've lost a lot of friends mixing things, just not waking up in the morning. You're at that age so be careful. I thought I was invincible until people started dying then it got real. Your body has a lot of natural ability right now just being sober, clear minded and eating right. Add a little spiritual cleanse in there and sky is the limit at your age. Everyone does what they want but have to look at life as a long term investment not a quick fix.

well said mate, ive seen a lot of my mates go downhill very fast and they was all prescribed Ritalin for ADD at young ages. they was just normal hypo kids like we all are, geez im 28 and I still get distracted easy and can lose focus at the click of my fingers.. its a gateway drug for sure

[kapper]

And I should say.. Didn't do well in school until I got prescribed. I don't abuse it. Someone who chooses to not take something before a workout to avoid a potential dependency is not dependent at all.

deequarius don't take any of this the wrong way, theres a lot of ppl one this forum with a world of knowledge and they all have your best interests in mind. these ppl have travelled the road your on now, some successful and some not so successful. I can tell you when I was your age I look back and think geez I wish I sat back and listened (not steroid related as ive never cycled) to the more experience people, I thought I knew it all lol. you seem like a very smart young man and I can tell you've read up on what your doing but just remember later on your goin to look back and say geez I should've listened more whether its in a positive or negative way only you will know.

be safe mate

[Deequarius]

still, very addictive

maybe for some. But for me it makes me almost a little tired but allows me to focus. Otherwise my energy is just going everywhere and not aimed at anything productive. It's not addicting at all to me. I've never felt the need to take more than prescribed.

[Deequarius]

well said mate, ive seen a lot of my mates go downhill very fast and they was all prescribed Ritalin for ADD at young ages. they was just normal hypo kids like we all are, geez im 28 and I still get distracted easy and can lose focus at the click of my fingers.. its a gateway drug for sure

I'm listening to everything you guys are saying and I hope this doesn't sound cocky... But i confidently can say I know more about Amphetamine and it's derivatives and how it interacts with your brain and CNS/PNS. Like I've said earlier. I don't put something into my body without knowing everything about it. I know the amphetamine molecule better than I know most of my friends. You guys are correct, Adderall can be very addictive in the hands of someone who doesn't actually have ADD. I have had brain scans and I have text book traits of extremely decreased activity and volume in the cerebellum and the caudate nucleus. My research in this drug is extensive to say the least. I have ADD. A claim B
backed by a brain scan. I handed my doctor my research paper and pretty much gave me free reign to set my own script. I can go up to the highest clinically allowable dosage per day and still choose to stick to 40 mgs a day. That's nearly unheard of for someone of my size that has been on this drug for 3 years. I respect your opinion here but it is not applicable to me.. If you guys want I could attach a research paper explaining the increase in ADHD diagnoses..

[Deequarius]

As well as why stimulants are the most effective treatment method and how prolonged use is actually GOOD for brain function. It actually changes your brain function and trains your brain to produce serotonin and dopamine levels that of someone who does not have ADD.

[kapper]

You dont sound cocky mate, all we are trying to say is that at such a young age mixing prescribed medication along with steroids is very risky! Your body has enough goin on hormonally without you tampering with it more! I hope it all works out for u

[kelkel]

I could attach a research paper explaining the increase in ADHD diagnoses..

I'd be interested. I've done a good amount of reading on it as my son has it. Always looking to learn something different.

[Deequarius]

9/13 - I will attach the paper when I get home where I have my laptop. Currently at my other parents' house. Just pinned today. Hit my first vein today I think. Once the needle was in I immediately started sweating and felt like I was hot and wanted to vomit. I pulled back the plunger and blood came. So I pulled the needle out and just swapped cheeks. I can never get a real stellar pin in my right cheek. Left cheek is perfect everytime but right always hurts a little bit... Getting the last bit of test out of my bottle was also quite the ordeal. Managed to get pretty much every drop and landed with a little over a cc. My source definitely does not undercut his gear.

[Deequarius]

Finished my first of three bottles. Should I just keep pinning until i finish my next two bottles?

[Deequarius]

7/14 - Hit chest today. Am trying to add more decline orientated lifts to really emphasize my pecs. I max benched on Saturday! Forgot to post about that. I don't do flat bench ever because IMO the lift is borderline useless and doesn't actually isolate to your pectorals that much... It's been about 3-4 months that I ever did straight up flat bench. Was really surprised. I got 275. Considering my max ever was 205 and that was with a maxout prep. I've been doing higher rep ranges all this summer so my muscles weren't even trained for any heavy lift sets. In my defense though to validate the 205 pounds, I do have a 6'6'' wingspan... Probably why I was good at swimming. Had D1 offers but decided I didn't want to do organized sports anymore.

Got a call from my doctor's nurse too on my blood work because I forgot to come in. I will get the rest of the chart tomorrow but the two levels I asked explicitly for were my test and e2 levels. Test levels came back at 1248 ng/dl and my E2 levels were 19. What is everyone's thoughts on those numbers? Seem to be falling in line? Was honestly expecting more for the test levels. Doesn't seem that high.

[Deequarius]

ResearchPaperDraft.txt


Here's the paper I was speaking of earlier. I couldn't keep it looking pretty and upload it as a PDF so you guys may want add it into another word-processing program and increase the font!

[Deequarius]

This paper goes over the causation of the increase. If anyone is interested in how the drug interacts with the brain on a very in depth level just let me know. I did another paper on that one as well.

[jesse4466]

"In the last 10 years, diagnosis of ADHD children aged 4 to 17 has increased by 42%. This increase can easily be explained by many factors that are hiding in plain sight. With a changing society of active working women, parents choosing to have children later, and demanding school systems that magnify characteristics of ADHD, the correlation is obvious. With an increase in ADHD prominence in today’s adolescents and adults, treatment is most effective with the use of medications. Stimulant medications such as Adderall or Ritalin are both cost-effective and demonstrate benefits in long-term brain function."

Your conclusion seems to be more opinion then fact. I wouldn't agree that treatment is most effective with prescribed medication. It is the easiest and most practical option, however. I would presume that the reason for the 42% increase has more to do with 1.) Money for big pharma / insurance companies, and Dr's over prescribing 2.) The general public becoming more reliant on drugs to solve their problems- aka quick fix.

For a better understanding of 'ADHD', it would be interesting to see a 100 person case study comprised of the following:

50 'ADHD' patients prescribed medication i.e. adderal, ritalin, etc for treatment

50 'ADHD' patients prescribed only the following below for treatment:

*Healthy Diet
*Exercise
*8 hours of sleep
*Drug free / Alcohol free lifestyle
*Healthy social life

I would be curious to see the results after an extended study over 6-12 months. My guess is they would be surprising.

[Deequarius]

The paper was intended to be opinionated. After doing research we were supposed to form an opinion on our chosen topic. My research pointed me to this. And you are correct- diet, exercise and sleep all can definitely help symptoms of ADHD. However, as someone who has all of those things locked down, without medication my symptoms are still very prominent. And in regards to the study.. if you read through the paper you'll see a study similar to the one you suggested preformed. It is considered the most extensive ADHD study in history. The result overwhelmingly leaned towards medication as treatment.

[Deequarius]

So as it turns out this entire cycle has pretty much been a big placebo. The gear I bought from MuscleRx was considerably under dosed and my test levels 6 weeks in are only about 1200. A lot of people my age sit there naturally so what my summer is going to come to is more-or-less a natty summer transformation. I'm a little upset about getting duped by someone that was supposed to be a very revered UGL. Nonetheless, it's pretty crazy to see how far a placebo can take you. I buckled down even more so on my diet, I have been hitting the gym like my life was on the line every single day and my results were crazy. In just 6 weeks I went from 191 pounds at 9.8% BF to 211 pounds at 8.6% BF. Just Saturday I maxed out on bench 70 pounds above where I maxed previously. I will see this "cycle" through to the end and will keep updating this log. I am however considering upping my dosage to around 1.5 ccs instead of just 1 because of how low the dosage is with this batch...
Hope everyone got in a nice strong lift today. I hit legs (fml). Ass is going to be real nice and sore from those squats. Hitting back tomorrow. Should be interesting that with all the back pain my accutane has been giving me lately. Just got home from work and time to go to bed and get to work on sleeping off this virus I am harboring! I'm audi!

[kapper]

Why dont u just wait 14 days and PCT? Why shut yourself down with underdosed gear for any longer? Take this as a blessing in disguise, uve made some great gains on placebo does this not smack u in the face and say 'holy shit im young and can do things naturally'

U really need to admit that you dont need gear at your age!!!!!!!!! And if your doing this cycle so the boys at ur work will respect you then ur goin about things the wrong way.. Respect is earnt not demanded and this is something u will learn as u mature!!

[tarmyg]

If you guys want I could attach a research paper explaining the increase in ADHD diagnoses..

Calling what you attached a research paper is quite the stretch, no offense.

[lovbyts]

In regards to prescribing meds for ADHD or ADD it is also sad typically it only take one visit to a doctor/psychiatrist for them to made a determination and write a prescription.

I was one of those kids who did have it but it was before it was really a consideration or diagnosed. I managed it for the most part but I HATE reading. I cant read a book to save my life. I get 1 or two sentences and I'm lost over and over.

I was laid off work about 10 years ago and for fun (bored) I volunteered to do a double blind study for a new ADHD medication. It was a 6 month study and I had to take specific test 2x a week, to see how/if the medication effected me. I had not illusions I was taking anything more than a sugar pill and I was right. After the study they gave me the real deal (dont remember the name) but DAMN it was more like crack. Typically I can drink one or two cups of coffee and it knocks me out, not this stuff. They agreed it was to strong though.

Now I'm on vyvance. I have not tried riddlen. I like the vyvance. It does what I need/want it to do.

[Chicagotarsier]

I am way too opinionated on the whole ADHD thing. How the F did the human race ever make it before prescript meds lol......

It was called pops with a belt painting the back portch red till you paid enough attention lol

[jesse4466]

Calling what you attached a research paper is quite the stretch, no offense.

Agree.