Lowered Test Dose - Feel Amazing!

[OingoBoingo]

enth and cyp esters are to long for it to cause a large enough spike to cause problems at those doses. Good luck shooting ED for trt

Everyone is different.

For the first six months, I had a lot of E2 problems, and took Anastrozole as needed. Then one day (after experimenting with Provironum for a few weeks), my high E2 symptoms seem to have gone away.

Don't know if Provironum had anything to do with it, or my body just needed six months to adjust to the higher Testosterone levels. Either way, I'm happy.

[OingoBoingo]

Synergistic to me means that the total outcome or effect of the two together is greater than the sum of the two outcomes or effects individually. So, no, I don't believe that they are.

If you're asking if the two play nice together, I've been double-loading my syringes for about six months and haven't noticed any problems.

Testosterone is oil based and hCG is water-based, so they don't mix that well in the syringe.

[suprarob]

Synergistic to me means that the total outcome or effect of the two together is greater than the sum of the two outcomes or effects individually. So, no, I don't believe that they are.

If you're asking if the two play nice together, I've been double-loading my syringes for about six months and haven't noticed any problems.

Testosterone is oil based and hCG is water-based, so they don't mix that well in the syringe.

Meaning "play nice together" like dying and yang. Good info. gonna pin mine together from here in

[OingoBoingo]

Meaning "play nice together" like dying and yang. Good info. gonna pin mine together from here in

I've read that some find it easier to double-load if they load the hCG before Testosterone. I use a BD Ultra-Fine II insulin syringe with a 30g needle and haven't noticed a difference.

[j2048b]

ok so i have a q:

doesnt hcg also raise ur test levels? and if so how much compared to test alone? ive always wondered if i substituted hcg a bit more like most of u and did daily injects and only a few test injects at a lower dosage, wouldnt it be the hcg that is mainly raising the test levels as opposed to the test ur pinning? i mean hcg and test both raise ur test correct? i guess im just confused besides lowering water weight, what does hcg daily really do for u that ud still need any test shot at all?

and is there a difference as to using test cyp vs prop as far as hematocrit levels and rbc's are concerned?

[OingoBoingo]

doesnt hcg also raise ur test levels? and if so how much compared to test alone?

At 100 or so IU per day, hCG raises Testosterone only a small amount.

ive always wondered if i substituted hcg a bit more like most of u and did daily injects and only a few test injects at a lower dosage, wouldnt it be the hcg that is mainly raising the test levels as opposed to the test ur pinning? i mean hcg and test both raise ur test correct?

A lot depends on if one is Primary or Secondary Hypogonadal. hCG mimics LH, and if one doesn't respond to LH, chances are they won't respond to hCG. There is such a thing as hCG Mono Therapy, but that's not how or why most of us include hCG in our protocols.

i guess im just confused besides lowering water weight, what does hcg daily really do for u that ud still need any test shot at all?

hCG does two important things (besides raising Testosterone a small amount); it stimulates the Leydig cells to correct testicular atrophy, and enables one to make Pregnenolone. Read the hCG and Pregnenolone sticky.

and is there a difference as to using test cyp vs prop as far as hematocrit levels and rbc's are concerned?

Haven't heard of any.

[j2048b]

At 100 or so IU per day, hCG raises Testosterone only a small amount. A lot depends on if one is Primary or Secondary Hypogonadal. hCG mimics LH, and if one doesn't respond to LH, chances are they won't respond to hCG. There is such a thing as hCG Mono Therapy, but that's not how or why most of us include hCG in our protocols. hCG does two important things (besides raising Testosterone a small amount); it stimulates the Leydig cells to correct testicular atrophy, and enables one to make Pregnenolone. Read the hCG and Pregnenolone sticky. Haven't heard of any.

Thanks fir the replys ill take a look at the stickies!

[ripped_82]

I know it's bee a while since I posted on this topic / thread since I started, but I thought to share an update for everyone on my protocol

As I mentioned before, lowering my dose to the 80mg/week, divided into two shots made a huge difference in terms of my overall energy, mood, and sex drive. Others seemed to experience similar results based on this thread. After coming off a blast at 350mg/wk for 13 weeks, I founds it difficult to bounce back to the same "great feeling at the 80mg dose. I allowed for 14 weeks of recovery, and I was not improving. My thinking was that perhaps the blast in some way desensitized my reaction to my earlier Test dose, so I made the call to bump up my TRT to 100mg/week @ two 50mg injections, while reducing my HCG to 75IU / day.

And what a bounce back! In fact, it's even better than what I was experiencing at the 80mg/wk at the 100IU HCG/day protocol. I don't have blood work to base numbers off of, but the feeling is there. I wonder if lowering the HCG made a larger impact on the E2 spike, further stabilizing things. I also assume the increased Test Cyp dose impacted my Total T, bringing an optimal ratio

I guess the morale of the story in my experience is that adjustments seem to be required from time to time, and I think it's important to capture blood work when you have that "amazing" feeling so you know what to shoot for in terms o lab results in case you need to make adjustments in the future

[Beethoven]

I know it's bee a while since I posted on this topic / thread since I started, but I thought to share an update for everyone on my protocol

As I mentioned before, lowering my dose to the 80mg/week, divided into two shots made a huge difference in terms of my overall energy, mood, and sex drive. Others seemed to experience similar results based on this thread. After coming off a blast at 350mg/wk for 13 weeks, I founds it difficult to bounce back to the same "great feeling at the 80mg dose. I allowed for 14 weeks of recovery, and I was not improving. My thinking was that perhaps the blast in some way desensitized my reaction to my earlier Test dose, so I made the call to bump up my TRT to 100mg/week @ two 50mg injections, while reducing my HCG to 75IU / day.

And what a bounce back! In fact, it's even better than what I was experiencing at the 80mg/wk at the 100IU HCG/day protocol. I don't have blood work to base numbers off of, but the feeling is there. I wonder if lowering the HCG made a larger impact on the E2 spike, further stabilizing things. I also assume the increased Test Cyp dose impacted my Total T, bringing an optimal ratio

I guess the morale of the story in my experience is that adjustments seem to be required from time to time, and I think it's important to capture blood work when you have that "amazing" feeling so you know what to shoot for in terms o lab results in case you need to make adjustments in the future

so true. I found lowering my hcg even more brings my E2 down and makes me feel better. Low T said it right on another thread, you're never really "dialed in" as things do change.

[Roger11]

Good thread, i use to cruise on 250mg- 300mg PW for a few years until i saw a proper doc and got put on 250mg e10 days which was crap, then i went to 125mg every 5 days and was a bit better ,then thanks to kelkels help i now do 125mg 1x per week and felt awesome. Thats my current TRT/Cruise dose, when on cycle i bump it up to 250mg pw with .25mg anastrazole 2x a week, 24hrs after each injection so tue/friday. .