Training while cycling testosterone

[Gorgos]

Well he benched 1000 lbs....I think that would make him pretty much the expert.

But even if you go back and read others threads..there are many ways to do gains from lifting many ways. There is no one right way to lift weights for the novice lifter.

Great points but I still believe that its a big diffrence beeing a novice lifter and a world record holder who's been around for a long time. Thats a whole diffrent chapter. Thats why I wrote more or less. Its the same with bodybuilding, in the beginning everything goes smooth then u have to break plateus and try diffrent methods to develop.

Funny how you mention lifting your bw x 2 since many guys advocates that rule before telling somenone to even think about jumping into steroids.

[NACH3]

Also, it absolutely depends on your goal... But NASM(National Assoc. of Sports Medecine) has a pyramid that they use:

From bottom up:
1. Stabilization/Endurance - 12-15 reps even up to 20 reps
2. Hypertrophy - 8-10 maybe 6-12 reps(also could up volume a lil(hence 12reps or
3. Strength - 6-8 reps
4. Power - 1-5 reps

Everyone has its place!

[Cody95]

High reps = volume
Heavy weight = intensity

Do you even lift?

Are you high? You have it all wrong bud.

[dfarre]

Are you high? You have it all wrong bud.

No, BUD, you just have no understanding about training.

[< <Samson> >]

Lifting & fitness in general is just like work or any other sport - you learn over time

That's it - no other special easy shit hur


It took me years to get to the point of training where I'm at now

[NACH3]

^^ I hear ya... Takes yrs of knowledge/dedication/& consistency... And in the beginning you think you know everything... I'm 31 and still learning new ways to train and diet! We all think we know everything(especially like a couple yes in to training)... When most of us had to learn what we were doing wrong first b4 getting it fine tuned and right now!

[Cody95]

No, BUD, you just have no understanding about training.

Yet you're the one giving bad advice. Come back when you can back up your statement and don't talk shit.

[IronClydes]

I should have probably specified that my goal is not to be a power lifter, but progress as a bodybuilder. Apologies for any confusion in the recent responses.

That said, I just got an earful of contradicting advice.

I'm off cycle. Im on TRT so my levels are solid and need no PCT. My elbows and shoulders have been sore for a month now.

While I enjoy lifting heavy with added program cycling in rep ranges, I wonder if that is ideal training off cycle as my joints don't tolerate it as well off cycle.

This led me to ask what my fellow more experienced counterparts using gear and training for years would advise.

Hopefully that's more clear.

Thanks!

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[jolter604]

genetics and goals,what ever works for your body.i like to switch it up but i always do a warm up of high reps each exercise and end each exercise with a high rep burn out,even when going for low reps heavy.seems to work for me i am always sore,love the BURN!

[Cody95]

Nach3,

Here you state higher reps off cycle. Later you state low reps heavy weight off cycle to maintain gains.

Slightly confused.

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Low reps heavy weight for off cycle.

[hawk14dl]

Dude its simple. If your joints hurt and you're in pain, pull back for a week or two. Light weight, maybe even low reps. Keep lifting but keep it safe

[hawk14dl]

^And That's on cycle OR off

[< <Samson> >]

High reps, low reps - I just wanna tone up


Lmfao

Oh gawd, I can't stop


Just workout - geez, it really is that simple

[Buster Brown]

Are we still on this? There is actually a stickie that talks about keeping your gains off cycle and how to train. Seeing how OP is on trt keeping your gains should be easier. The problem with coming off cycle is that your joints need some rest and if you don't change your training your body will do it for you. I don't believe in a huge Rep range. 6-8 (even some 4's) on cycle and 8-10 ( 12 for warm ups) off cycle.

[IronClydes]

Are we still on this? There is actually a stickie that talks about keeping your gains off cycle and how to train. Seeing how OP is on trt keeping your gains should be easier. The problem with coming off cycle is that your joints need some rest and if you don't change your training your body will do it for you. I don't believe in a huge Rep range. 6-8 (even some 4's) on cycle and 8-10 ( 12 for warm ups) off cycle.

Thanks again Buster.

Makes sense to me. Know where I can find the stickie? Already read Marcus's stickie, but that is oriented towards PCT for those not on TRT.

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[Buster Brown]

Thanks again Buster.

Makes sense to me. Know where I can find the stickie? Already read Marcus's stickie, but that is oriented towards PCT for those not on TRT.

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The concept is the same. When you are getting ready to get off cycle post up your workout in the workout section and we can then chop it down a little bit and get you straightened out. This is obviously a bit new to you and that's ok ...once you see how it works and you get it under your fingers you will see the benefit of cycling your training.

[IronClydes]

The concept is the same. When you are getting ready to get off cycle post up your workout in the workout section and we can then chop it down a little bit and get you straightened out. This is obviously a bit new to you and that's ok ...once you see how it works and you get it under your fingers you will see the benefit of cycling your training.

Thanks for all of your help Buster. I appreciate it.

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[marcus300]

Like Buster stated seeing that your on TRT its going to be easier to maintain the gains during the off period. One thing you MUST remember and many don't is what built the muscle will keep the muscle so you don't need to do any serious alterations but this also depends on what type of training you have been doing and how your feeling. Personally I would pull back on the intensity but carry on doing what built the muscle in the first place. The great advantage you have is your on trt so things are going to be a lot easier to maintain if you don't adjust things to drastically.

If you have been training extremely hard and intense you cant carry on training like this you will need to use a deload or some kind or pullback for a couple of weeks. This can come in various types of training and styles but a pullback will be needed to fully repair your CNS and give your body a rest but never forget that what built your muscle will keep your muscle

[IronClydes]

Like Buster stated seeing that your on TRT its going to be easier to maintain the gains during the off period. One thing you MUST remember and many don't is what built the muscle will keep the muscle so you don't need to do any serious alterations but this also depends on what type of training you have been doing and how your feeling. Personally I would pull back on the intensity but carry on doing what built the muscle in the first place. The great advantage you have is your on trt so things are going to be a lot easier to maintain if you don't adjust things to drastically. If you have been training extremely hard and intense you cant carry on training like this you will need to use a deload or some kind or pullback for a couple of weeks. This can come in various types of training and styles but a pullback will be needed to fully repair your CNS and give your body a rest but never forget that what built your muscle will keep your muscle

Thanks for your response Marcus.

I put on most of my muscle doing intense HIIT style weights in the 8-15 range. Problem is that was also during my first cycle, which makes it hard to determine if that wasn't merely the result of the cycle and any training style would have put that 20 pounds of muscle on me.

Once I came off cycle 7 weeks ago I went to a low rep (4-8) program and increased my strength exponentially. However, this also resulted in increased body fat and injuring my left elbow and shoulders mildly.

This is what led me to where I am now, concerned that I did something wrong to cause those injuries.

I did take a week off after cycle before I started the heavy program.

I am concluding my first week back in the higher rep program I made lean gains on while cycling. I retreated to it as the higher reps and lower weights didn't bother my joints.

It seems this may have been the correct decision, I only hope I don't lose muscle training in this HIIT style and higher rep range off cycle.

While I was on nearly 4000 calories on cycle, since coming off and putting on fat, I cut to 2500. It now seems that was a poor decision and could also cause muscle loss, so I increased back to 3240 calories with some increased low intensity cardio (incline treadmill walking 20-30).

Thanks for the help and any input on this is highly appreciated.

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[IronClydes]

Thanks for your response Marcus. I put on most of my muscle doing intense HIIT style weights in the 8-15 range. Problem is that was also during my first cycle, which makes it hard to determine if that wasn't merely the result of the cycle and any training style would have put that 20 pounds of muscle on me. Once I came off cycle 7 weeks ago I went to a low rep (4-8) program and increased my strength exponentially. However, this also resulted in increased body fat and injuring my left elbow and shoulders mildly. This is what led me to where I am now, concerned that I did something wrong to cause those injuries. I did take a week off after cycle before I started the heavy program. I am concluding my first week back in the higher rep program I made lean gains on while cycling. I retreated to it as the higher reps and lower weights didn't bother my joints. It seems this may have been the correct decision, I only hope I don't lose muscle training in this HIIT style and higher rep range off cycle. While I was on nearly 4000 calories on cycle, since coming off and putting on fat, I cut to 2500. It now seems that was a poor decision and could also cause muscle loss, so I increased back to 3240 calories with some increased low intensity cardio (incline treadmill walking 20-30). Thanks for the help and any input on this is highly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone using Forum

Thanks again everyone for your advice so far. Any thoughts or suggestions regarding this post I made (quoted above)?

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[IronClydes]

Thanks again everyone for your advice so far. Any thoughts or suggestions regarding this post I made (quoted above)?

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[BG]

Well I didnt read all post but some. Marcus and Buster are right on. I would slow down the intensity and sets a few weeks before going on cycle. Then when on, I would go back to the way you were training, this is where you will be the strongest because this is what your body knows. You could throw a couple of weeks in the middle of a little higher reps, then drop back down and finish strong.

[SOL!D5NAK3]

i train 5 days a week ,agonist/antagonist super sets 8-10 reps on cycle. when off 4-3 days full body routines and again agonist/antagonist in less volume.