Time to get serious.

[Obs]

I have a brother that never touched gear and has a bp same as mine. Two years older, he also never ate the amounts of shit food I did. Its partly genetic. Like I said before, we are different people. When I die it will not be attributed to steroids, my family will gather around and say "he was a crazy ass guy", when I die.

I do not like doctors fluxuating opinions or the idea of blood pressure medications especially at a young age.
I can go to the doctor and get any medication I wish if I just find the right dumbass doctor. Im not eating that shit until its necessary. The end.

[Mr.BB]

How many people that start taking bp meds,at 30 die at 60?

Dont understand your question. I can tell you that if you at 30 (or at any age) have a consistent BP of over 180/100, the risk of having a heart or circulatory event in the near future is very high.

If you have you controlled BP the risk of a heart or circulatory problem, at any age, is very low.

But the risks are not only to heart, look here for the most important risks: Health Threats From High Blood Pressure

I have a brother that never touched gear and has a bp same as mine. Two years older, he also never ate the amounts of shit food I did. Its partly genetic. Like I said before, we are different people. When I die it will not be attributed to steroids, my family will gather around and say "he was a crazy ass guy", when I die.

I do not like doctors fluxuating opinions or the idea of blood pressure medications especially at a young age.
I can go to the doctor and get any medication I wish if I just find the right dumbass doctor. Im not eating that shit until its necessary. The end.

If your brother also have high BP he also needs to control it.

How you know when you have to take BP meds? High BP pressure is often called the silent killer, as it gives no indications or side effects of whats going on. But if you measure you BP and it is consistently high, you have to be really stupid not take action.

[Obs]

Dont understand your question. I can tell you that if you at 30 (or at any age) have a consistent BP of over 180/100, the risk of having a heart or circulatory event in the near future is very high.

If you have you controlled BP the risk of a heart or circulatory problem, at any age, is very low.

But the risks are not only to heart, look here for the most important risks: Health Threats From High Blood Pressure



If your brother also have high BP he also needs to control it.

How you know when you have to take BP meds? High BP pressure is often called the silent killer, as it gives no indications or side effects of whats going on. But if you measure you BP and it is consistently high, you have to be really stupid not take action.

I donated blood to bring down hematocrit levels. They put my brother on bp meds. He wont take them. He has even offered them to me. Ephedrine is a wonderful bodybuilding compound. It cuts fat and sheds water as well as being the best preworkout you will find, btw.it has also been known to increse skeletal muscle but I believe that to be a nervous energy factor.

Good info btw thank you for the link.

[Obs]

If you dont want to watch it all, fast forward to 20:47:

I watched all of that btw. Why the hell would a guy like that ever take recreational drugs?

[Mr.BB]

I watched all of that btw. Why the hell would a guy like that ever take recreational drugs?

If you watched you know that he managed to stay away from it, at least it's what he says.

But about your question I would just say, why anyone would...

[Obs]

If you watched you know that he managed to stay away from it, at least it's what he says.

But about your question I would just say, why anyone would...

He stayed away from meth and cocaine but he took pain killers and even started injecting them.

[DocToxin8]

I watched all of that btw. Why the hell would a guy like that ever take recreational drugs?

I just watched that entire video.
He pretty much said it: take BP meds and stay away from painkillers.

I'll say x2 to that, knowing first hand how pain killers fuck u up.
(To the degree that when I saw the video, the first thing I noticed was;
"That stare and facial movements, this guy has used serious amount of rec drugs!" I kid you not, and it's bad shit.)

(You can also see in the video, at one time when he's flexing, that he's got redness from injecting IV on one forearm.)

Kidney problems yeah. Ofcourse doing 3mls of AAS a day (unless dosed at 25mg/ml or something) isn't good. But the nr 1 reason he's kidneys shut down is untreated high BP along with high doses of acetaminophen/paracetamol IMO.

High BP is directly damaging the kidneys. Not to mention the heart.
Neglect it at your own peril.

[PT1982]

I have a brother that never touched gear and has a bp same as mine. Two years older, he also never ate the amounts of shit food I did. Its partly genetic. Like I said before, we are different people. When I die it will not be attributed to steroids, my family will gather around and say "he was a crazy ass guy", when I die.

I do not like doctors fluxuating opinions or the idea of blood pressure medications especially at a young age.
I can go to the doctor and get any medication I wish if I just find the right dumbass doctor. Im not eating that shit until its necessary. The end.

That's sort of like me. I was diagnosed and started on BP meds at 15. At 17 they added a beta blocker. At 20 they added another BP medication. I was very athletic and was a track and field star. But after renal tests, blood tests, and everything else, it was attributed to as hereditary and an anomaly for the most part. All the meds did kill my test levels and I was low T at a very young age.

[PT1982]

Oh I understand the point you're making and it's possibly true as professional BB'ing is in no way a healthy endeavor. My point is that all types of people die from the same things. People get lung cancer yet they've never smoked. Proponents of runners (think Jim Fixx who popularized jogging) die of heart attacks and so on. I just don't think we can directly point to and with certaintity say it caused their deaths. Maybe one day that will happen, especially with kids these day and the massive amounts they want to run without any care for their long-term health.

From the CDC, 610,000 people die from heart disease yearly. One in four, mostly men.

That is a scary statistic. On I hope that all people will start taking seriously. I do feel that a life of fast food (which is common place country wide these past 2 decades) and snacking is much much more dangerous than casually using anabolics hear and there.

[kelkel]

That is a scary statistic. On I hope that all people will start taking seriously. I do feel that a life of fast food (which is common place country wide these past 2 decades) and snacking is much much more dangerous than casually using anabolics hear and there.

Obesity is a disease per the FDA, which is ridiculous imho. People have little self control. Agree, intelligent use of AAS is far safer.

[mendogonzo]

Hi all,
After years of on and off bodybuilding,i've decided to give it one last shot.At forty eight,i understand my best years
are behind me,but undeterred,i'm back in the gym,doing a four day split routine,with the weekend consisting of
cardio,and a bit of forearm exercise.
I've never used a steroid before,but because of joint issues,i decided to have a cycle with deca.
Not wanting to use this on its own,i'm pinning 200mg of decanol,with 1 ml of T400.
I intend doing 12 weeks,but stopping the decanol at 10 weeks.I pin once a week,in my quads,and
have done so 4 times now.I feel generally better all round,than previous to starting a cycle,and my
energy levels,and libido are greatly improved.I haven't felt any serous strength gains yet,but wouldn't
expect any,at this early stage,although i am adding plates regularly,on the equipment.
Don't know if anyone has any views on my cycle,just thought i'd let you know what i was up to!

48 can be an advantage, if your joints are feeling good, your body's rested and the muscle your gain will be quality, not like when you were young. I know a lot of guys who thought that was when they got their best gains, in their 40's . Robby Robinson, Charles Glass, Arnold won his last Olympia in his fourties! Enjoy and good luck. I would take clomid and HCG at the end so you don't loose what you've gained if you're just doing the one cycle or you'll crash at the end and those joints will really hurt.


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[Nogbad the bad]

48 can be an advAntage, if your joint are feeling good, your body's rested and the muscle you gain will. E quality, not like when you were young. I know a lot of guys who thought that was when they got their best gains. Enjoy and good luck.


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Appreciate that friend.
What i still have is muscle memory,and because i've never really let myself go,i have always been in reasonable shape.
Never been into junk food,haven't touched alcohol for 30 years,lived pretty clean.Looking at my physique/reflection,in the gym,
i have more of the look of a sprinter/athlete,than a bodybuilder,because i'm tall and quite lean.
I'm not looking to gain huge overall size,just well sculpted muscles,the ones people don't really notice,till the shirt comes off.
It's not that easy,finding nice clothes,at the size i am now,so 10-15lbs os so,will more than do me.A friend of mine,is a 22 stone
strongman,and his clothing looks like pyjamas!

[Quester]

A man in mid-life thinking about doing steroids is facing a much different decision than a male entering adulthood.

I had a similar thread to this one a few months ago. Doc, or another member, pointed me to this article in Pubmed (or NCBI-or whatever its called, but it's great, and I now have an account).

Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
doi: 10.21037/tau.2016.03.03

The article does talk about Nanadrolone (Deca) and links to other articles. In aggregate, the articles supported the general consensus from the thread a few months ago. Nandrolone increases IGF-1 which helps joints.

There is much Bro-Sci about deca lubing joints. No Bros have articles to prove support this however. IMO, The "wet" look that deca creates is extended to the idea that it "lubes" joints. No other explanation makes sense to me other than the common way in which people whose knowledge rests on a superficial level use words of convenience to describe ideas of which they do not fully grasp the complexities, and, in most cases, generally don't need too.

All that being said, nobody need fear for the future of middle-age men because they are capable of understanding the future, dealing with their own messes and are probably to old to listen. But, here is an exception, nobody wants steroids to be blamed for poor health. It is expected that men will own their decisions regardless of the mechanism of their success or demise.

[600@50]

Sorry,but i disagree.The water retention from use of deca does give joint relief,and as far as the glucosamine and msm are concerned,
i believe them to be nothing more than placebos,particularly,as i have tried them for long enough periods,without any positivity.

Sorry but I disagree with you on these compounds. I've had shoulder issues due to heavy benching and squats for close to 30 years. I religiously take glucosamine, chondroitin and msm. Today my shoulders are pain free even consistantly benching well over 500 lbs. These compounds do not work overnight. It takes months to see results. If you took them correctly for a year you would see an improvement in your joints. They are far from being placebos. Say what you want but there are many people that swear by them.

[600@50]

Nice legs.

He gets them from all the cardio.

[kelkel]

He gets them from all the cardio.

[DocToxin8]

I don't see the logic in using deca for joints,
Something I believe helps, but really can't prove,
but just feel there is ample enough anecdotal evidence on to believe in,
and then not use glucomsamine, chondroitin or gelatin, which is also, perhaps even more supported by evidence to help.
If you are allergic to glucosamine then only use chondroitin. If you don't use either then use gelatin. Just my thoughts on the issue.

And why the resistance to BP meds?
Beta blockers are poison that will eventually lead to diabetes type 2,
but who's talking about beta blockers for high BP? That's archaic.

ACE inhibitors or Ang2 antagonists will be sufficient for almost all BP issues related to AAS, and they are virtually side effect free.

AAS are directly coupled to upregulate Ang2 production anyways,
so I'd almost consider them like fish oil and vitamin C, lol.

To each their own though.

[Couchlock]

I just watched that entire video.
He pretty much said it: take BP meds and stay away from painkillers.

I'll say x2 to that, knowing first hand how pain killers fuck u up.
(To the degree that when I saw the video, the first thing I noticed was;
"That stare and facial movements, this guy has used serious amount of rec drugs!" I kid you not, and it's bad shit.)

(You can also see in the video, at one time when he's flexing, that he's got redness from injecting IV on one forearm.)

Kidney problems yeah. Ofcourse doing 3mls of AAS a day (unless dosed at 25mg/ml or something) isn't good. But the nr 1 reason he's kidneys shut down is untreated high BP along with high doses of acetaminophen/paracetamol IMO.

High BP is directly damaging the kidneys. Not to mention the heart.
Neglect it at your own peril.

In which way would bp meds replace pain killers, if really looking to kill pain?

And are calcium channel blockers as effective as ACE inhibitors?

[Obs]

In which way would bp meds replace pain killers, if really looking to kill pain?

And are calcium channel blockers as effective as ACE inhibitors?

Nothing is going to replace bp meds other than diet and maybe supplements. Pain killers are necessary only for severe pain imo. They are used unnecessarily most of the time. Who said they could replace bp meds?

[Couchlock]

Nothing is going to replace bp meds other than diet and maybe supplements. Pain killers are necessary only for severe pain imo. They are used unnecessarily most of the time. Who said they could replace bp meds?

Oh in thought you said he said "I take bp meds to stay away from pain killers".

[Couchlock]

Ok then,
it appears your wisdom is wasted,on fools such as myself,so why not ignore anything i post,and save having to pick your toys up,off the floor.

Wow, your barking up pretty big ducking trees, nog

[Nogbad the bad]

Wow, your barking up pretty big ducking trees, nog

Would you care to elaborate on that?

[Couchlock]

Would you care to elaborate on that?

Yes.

BB is very well respected, as well as a wealth of knowledge, and a moderator too.

For one to be over confident and incorrect at the same time, and tossing attitude at staff for telling you facts.

Your barking up a pretty big FUCKING tree..

That's what I mean. Understand if you be calm and open instead of bull headed,you will learn tons here.

[Obs]

Deca has does not lubricate shit, its not a question. It wont heal a joint any more than any other steroid. You want to heal joints look into peptides tb-500 and hgh.
Deca is an anti-inflammatory that is all. In a couple months I will be crawling out of bed after a seven month talk with it. No rude intended. Bb is right.
Btw I have seen no studies proving any joint healing from anything but hgh. Tb-500 is a toss up and you get mixed opinions.

[MToption2]

Deca has does not lubricate shit, its not a question. It wont heal a joint any more than any other steroid. You want to heal joints look into peptides tb-500 and hgh.
Deca is an anti-inflammatory that is all. In a couple months I will be crawling out of bed after a seven month talk with it. No rude intended. Bb is right.
Btw I have seen no studies proving any joint healing from anything but hgh. Tb-500 is a toss up and you get mixed opinions.

What about MGF site injection?

[Mr.BB]

What about MGF site injection?

MGF or mechano growth factor is supposed to be injected intramuscular. There are no muscles inside joints, I dont know of any studies where it was injected in the synovial fluid, in fact all studies I've seen were performed in mices, so it is unknown if it can do anything to joints.

[Obs]

What about MGF site injection?

Why is my ass able to fit my jeans? I have shot 100ml of gear in my ass alone since october, yet it stays in proportion to the rest of my body....??? Site injections and deca mean nothing. My body is eased of joint pain in all extremities.

I do work my glutes after injection. Its only for the spike in absorption though. The muscles that get bigger with deca will be the ones you shred the most not which ones get injected the most.

Lots of people believed site injections were the way to go many years ago. I crippled myself for two months with prop and realized it wasnt working anyway.