Question about Deca

[Vinnie214]

What are your stats Vinny?

I have already mentioned my stats In a previous post on the 1st page.

5'8 165lbs

[dcycles]

I have already mentioned my stats In a previous post on the 1st page.

5'8 165lbs

You seem to know enough to not take advice from some of the knowledgeable members on here but not enough to properly dose your own cycle.. seems like quite the contradiction

[Vinnie214]

You seem to know enough to not take advice from some of the knowledgeable members on here but not enough to properly dose your own cycle.. seems like quite the contradiction

How is my cycle not properly dosed? Do you wanna emphasise on that? How so am I not taking advice? I have literally just adjusted my deca from 240 to 300 because you guys said 240 is too low. Is 300 still too low? what's the problem? Don't post if you are going to be unhelpful and vague.

Thanks.

[charger69]

How is my cycle not properly dosed? Do you wanna emphasise on that? How so am I not taking advice? I have literally just adjusted my deca from 240 to 300 because you guys said 240 is too low. Is 300 still too low? what's the problem? Don't post if you are going to be unhelpful and vague.

Thanks.

This is what I was referring to at the beginning. You are beginning to lose the help you asked for. I also asked if you read the stickies that were originally set up and your stance and knowledge on HCG shows that you didn’t.
I am really trying to help you but you are dissing the experts on here on your stance on HCG.
You keep saying that HCG is not necessary. Technically you are right, neither is PCT however no one on here would recommend a cycle without it. It is more than just the size of your testicles.
Remember you may have accomplished a cycle and nothing happened but maybe 2-3 cycles later your body got so confused that you become sterile or your system may not start up again.
I know it is frustrating because we are not saying what you want to hear. Listen, understand, analyze, research and ask questions. You are not listening because you have a preconceived notion of hCG.
I am just giving you my point of what is going on here. Once again, I am trying to help.


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[cousinmuscles]

How is my cycle not properly dosed? Do you wanna emphasise on that? How so am I not taking advice? I have literally just adjusted my deca from 240 to 300 because you guys said 240 is too low. Is 300 still too low? what's the problem? Don't post if you are going to be unhelpful and vague.

Thanks.

You are absolutely wrong that young guys get roasted as you haven't gotten roasted at all, you got good advice but ignored pretty much all except upping your deca dose.

Some things I advised which you just ignored:
1) No possibility of checking blood status or even blood pressure (could be done at home...)? A risk with a triple stack and an oral that should not be overlooked
2) Did you do a sensitive estrogen test mid cycle last time to see if your AI dose is right, or will you guess your way forward again
3) Deca but no cabergoline at hand?
4) No liver support like NAC for dbol?
5) No pre cycle test to see if you are OK or still assume everything is fine because it was fine when you had SERMS in your system
6) No consideration for the fact that nandrolone decanoate will linger in your system for a LONG time and will make recovery that much harder? No other options for this?
7) Still haven't researched why it is not testicle size but function? It is in the stickies which you claimed to have read...

P.S. I looked bigger than you when I was 17 and had trained for half the time you have https://forums.steroid.com/attachmen...-late-2005.jpg
No cycle needed for that, I don't inject then hope I wake up bigger and stronger, I do what I do and inject to enhance what I do.

P.P.S Don't post if someone is going to be vague and unhelpful? Maybe the advice you got on your first thread was directions to the path where you'll get what you consider the best advice there is...
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7323009

You're on the wrong site.There are loads of others,where plenty of 18/19/20 year olds,will give you all the answers you want.
Then,you'll have the added bonus of many,telling you your cycle is a bit weak,and you should add some Tren,Dbol,Deca etc.
Problem with this site,is the vast majority of members are intelligent,and are concerned about health,so if the older dudes are wasting your time,
the other sites are waiting.

I'm sure you'll find the money for any extra AAS you find helpful.

[dcycles]

How is my cycle not properly dosed? Do you wanna emphasise on that? How so am I not taking advice? I have literally just adjusted my deca from 240 to 300 because you guys said 240 is too low. Is 300 still too low? what's the problem? Don't post if you are going to be unhelpful and vague.

Thanks.

"Don't post if you are going to be unhelpful and vague"

Good start..

You have had tons of good advice as said above but the only advice you take is the one saying to up your dose.. what I meant by you don't know how to properly dose your cycle was more personal preference for myself so I can't say what's best for you.. but I wouldn't risk shutting my system down and possibly damaging my system for the rest of my life to run a bit over 200 mg of deca.. you can always do juice later in life but you can't ever undo what it potentially could do to your body

I understand your decision because I was stubborn like you when I was younger. Obviously noone will change your mind so best of luck bud. Only advice I can give is to keep reading the good and BAD of aas

[Capebuffalo]

I have already mentioned my stats In a previous post on the 1st page.

5'8 165lbs

What were your stats before your first cycle?

Just out of curiosity could you list everything you ate yesterday?

[Vinnie214]

What were your stats before your first cycle?

Just out of curiosity could you list everything you ate yesterday?

before the first cycle I was the same height and 150lbs ish

as for diet I aim for 3000-3500 calories each day, yesterday was
breakfast - oatmeal with protein shake
lunch - tuna, egg and pasta salad with a drink
dinner - ate out at a burger joint
snack - 2 min noodles
and before bed a mass gainer shake (optimum nutrition serious mass) - 1 large scoop with 500ml milk

adds up to around 3000cal and 160-180g protein.

[cousinmuscles]

before the first cycle I was the same height and 150lbs ish

as for diet I aim for 3000-3500 calories each day, yesterday was
breakfast - oatmeal with protein shake
lunch - tuna, egg and pasta salad with a drink
dinner - ate out at a burger joint
snack - 2 min noodles
and before bed a mass gainer shake (optimum nutrition serious mass) - 1 large scoop with 500ml milk

adds up to around 3000cal and 160-180g protein.

I can give you 7 more pieces of advice for your diet but since you ignored the last 7 ones I'll hold off

Geezus how many times must I repeat it? I don't need to buy food I live with my parents

Yeah that's why you can only get one real meal per day?

[charger69]

before the first cycle I was the same height and 150lbs ish

as for diet I aim for 3000-3500 calories each day, yesterday was
breakfast - oatmeal with protein shake
lunch - tuna, egg and pasta salad with a drink
dinner - ate out at a burger joint
snack - 2 min noodles
and before bed a mass gainer shake (optimum nutrition serious mass) - 1 large scoop with 500ml milk

adds up to around 3000cal and 160-180g protein.

Sorry Vinny. That is not a diet in my book. If you really want to get into bodybuilding you need a real diet.


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[Vinnie214]

This is what I was referring to at the beginning. You are beginning to lose the help you asked for. I also asked if you read the stickies that were originally set up and your stance and knowledge on HCG shows that you didn’t.
I am really trying to help you but you are dissing the experts on here on your stance on HCG.
You keep saying that HCG is not necessary. Technically you are right, neither is PCT however no one on here would recommend a cycle without it. It is more than just the size of your testicles.
Remember you may have accomplished a cycle and nothing happened but maybe 2-3 cycles later your body got so confused that you become sterile or your system may not start up again.
I know it is frustrating because we are not saying what you want to hear. Listen, understand, analyze, research and ask questions. You are not listening because you have a preconceived notion of hCG.
I am just giving you my point of what is going on here. Once again, I am trying to help.


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It's gonna be a real pain in the ass even getting hold of HCG, my source don't stock it anymore, meaning i gotta switch just for HCG. Stimulates the brain to produce natural test thus keeping the size of your testicles optimal. I know what it does, and at this point it's more about the fact that I'm cash-strapped lol. Final question, if i was to run this cycle (I have actually just pinned week1 now, so it's started already) without HCG, how likely am I to recover fully bearing in mind it's my 2nd cycle? For my 3rd, I will for sure not bother starting until i can afford it all includng HCG, and i will source hunt to get it. But for right now, I'll live, right? Because I've spent about 300$ on everything inc needles and supplies, that's all the money I had, I don't currently have a job, HCG for this cycle simply can't happen. But I will say thank you so now next time I know to wait until I have everything I need, and if I don't, then I won't run the cycle.

I do appreciate the advice, please don't say I'm ignoring or dissing, I'm really not, it's just the ones who post unhelpful crap that piss me off tbh, like the one on page 1 calling me a pussy with confidence issues, yeah, that really helped.

[charger69]

It's gonna be a real pain in the ass even getting hold of HCG, my source don't stock it anymore, meaning i gotta switch just for HCG. Stimulates the brain to produce natural test thus keeping the size of your testicles optimal. I know what it does, and at this point it's more about the fact that I'm cash-strapped lol. Final question, if i was to run this cycle (I have actually just pinned week1 now, so it's started already) without HCG, how likely am I to recover fully bearing in mind it's my 2nd cycle? For my 3rd, I will for sure not bother starting until i can afford it all includng HCG, and i will source hunt to get it. But for right now, I'll live, right? Because I've spent about 300$ on everything inc needles and supplies, that's all the money I had, I don't currently have a job, HCG for this cycle simply can't happen. But I will say thank you so now next time I know to wait until I have everything I need, and if I don't, then I won't run the cycle.

I do appreciate the advice, please don't say I'm ignoring or dissing, I'm really not, it's just the ones who post unhelpful crap that piss me off tbh, like the one on page 1 calling me a pussy with confidence issues, yeah, that really helped.

You still do not understand what HCG does. Read the sticky on the first cycle and you will know. We have led you to the water but you need to drink it on your own.
There is a risk with taking AASfor everyone. You being below 25 have drastically increased this risk. Not taking hCG further increased this risk.
No one can assure that everything can be ok.
I am beginning to believe that AAS is really not for you at this point. You do not have an income and you can make tremendous natural gains.
We haven’t even talked diet yet. You will lose everything without proper diet.



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[charger69]

Cousin and Cape are very knowledgeable. Sorry for anyone else that I left out.
They will help you but you need to show them that you want their help and will listen to them.
Remember.... listen, analyze, research and ask questions.


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[Vinnie214]

FYI that is what i ate yesterday lol. Not what I eat everyday.

[charger69]

Going back over the thread- you have had more quality people provide input than most. These guys have so much knowledge.


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[Vinnie214]

So basically, you guys are saying my diet should be cleaner, which I totally agree with, I would never label myself as the cleanest eater, but I do hit the numbers (protein/caloric intake). Thanks for the sample plan Cape, I'm not too fussed about a little fat gain, I like to still eat the foods I enjoy because I am more likely to stick to that diet consistently (asparagus and broccoli isn't everyone's favorite ). I need to start eating fruit cos that is non-existent in my diet. and Charger, my current weight (165lbs) means my daily expenditure is around 2,500 according to online calculators, so to eat 3000 calories for bulking is correct yes? I will try to get up at 8:30 AM and simply eat every 3 hours from 9AM. (9,12,3,6,9, and midnight)
Sound good? Also, is it a big deal if i eat whole eggs instead of just the whites, I like the yolk (again, i'm not the cleanest eater, sorry) I don't eat more than 3 or 4 a day anyway. Shall we discuss my training plan?

[charger69]

So basically, you guys are saying my diet should be cleaner, which I totally agree with, I would never label myself as the cleanest eater, but I do hit the numbers (protein/caloric intake). Thanks for the sample plan Cape, I'm not too fussed about a little fat gain, I like to still eat the foods I enjoy because I am more likely to stick to that diet consistently (asparagus and broccoli isn't everyone's favorite ). I need to start eating fruit cos that is non-existent in my diet. and Charger, my current weight (165lbs) means my daily expenditure is around 2,500 according to online calculators, so to eat 3000 calories for bulking is correct yes? I will try to get up at 8:30 AM and simply eat every 3 hours from 9AM. (9,12,3,6,9, and midnight)
Sound good? Also, is it a big deal if i eat whole eggs instead of just the whites, I like the yolk (again, i'm not the cleanest eater, sorry) I don't eat more than 3 or 4 a day anyway. Shall we discuss my training plan?

Your getting it! Everyone is different but I do not like the whole eggs because of the cholesterol. I presently eat 10 egg whites every morning.
Midnight sounds a little late. Make something to fit your schedule. But try to eat as many times as possible . A protein shake for me is not a meal.


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[hammerheart]

So basically, you guys are saying my diet should be cleaner, which I totally agree with, I would never label myself as the cleanest eater, but I do hit the numbers (protein/caloric intake). Thanks for the sample plan Cape, I'm not too fussed about a little fat gain, I like to still eat the foods I enjoy because I am more likely to stick to that diet consistently (asparagus and broccoli isn't everyone's favorite ). I need to start eating fruit cos that is non-existent in my diet. and Charger, my current weight (165lbs) means my daily expenditure is around 2,500 according to online calculators, so to eat 3000 calories for bulking is correct yes? I will try to get up at 8:30 AM and simply eat every 3 hours from 9AM. (9,12,3,6,9, and midnight)
Sound good? Also, is it a big deal if i eat whole eggs instead of just the whites, I like the yolk (again, i'm not the cleanest eater, sorry) I don't eat more than 3 or 4 a day anyway. Shall we discuss my training plan?

Here is a nice tool, have fun

https://cronometer.com

[charger69]

Here is a nice tool, have fun

https://cronometer.com

Looks cool !


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[Couchlockd]

So basically, you guys are saying my diet should be cleaner, which I totally agree with, I would never label myself as the cleanest eater, but I do hit the numbers (protein/caloric intake). Thanks for the sample plan Cape, I'm not too fussed about a little fat gain, I like to still eat the foods I enjoy because I am more likely to stick to that diet consistently (asparagus and broccoli isn't everyone's favorite ). I need to start eating fruit cos that is non-existent in my diet. and Charger, my current weight (165lbs) means my daily expenditure is around 2,500 according to online calculators, so to eat 3000 calories for bulking is correct yes? I will try to get up at 8:30 AM and simply eat every 3 hours from 9AM. (9,12,3,6,9, and midnight)
Sound good? Also, is it a big deal if i eat whole eggs instead of just the whites, I like the yolk (again, i'm not the cleanest eater, sorry) I don't eat more than 3 or 4 a day anyway. Shall we discuss my training plan?

ok homie.

your diet is garbage, its what a high school girl eats on a weekend

charger 69, please post a current photo of yourself for this young man.

cousin muscles always brings research and articles to back up his sdvice.

its funny how you used "cuzz I live with my parents" as a possible shot at geezus for his mention of HCG expense.

tell your mommy to cook you a 3lb bag of breadys daily,

put together these meals.

6 oz cooked breasts 1 cup brown rice, and 100g broccoli or some type of good non starch veggie (no,peas or carrots)

eat 4 of these a day, on top of a big 35g protein breakfast with about 30g carbs and 10g fats.

also a nice 40g protein post workout shake.

charger, get a pic up to show rhis fella what a guy almost 3x his age looks like. send him with his tail between his legs

[Vinnie214]

ok homie.

your diet is garbage, its what a high school girl eats on a weekend

charger 69, please post a current photo of yourself for this young man.

cousin muscles always brings research and articles to back up his sdvice.

its funny how you used "cuzz I live with my parents" as a possible shot at geezus for his mention of HCG expense.

tell your mommy to cook you a 3lb bag of breadys daily,

put together these meals.

6 oz cooked breasts 1 cup brown rice, and 100g broccoli or some type of good non starch veggie (no,peas or carrots)

eat 4 of these a day, on top of a big 35g protein breakfast with about 30g carbs and 10g fats.

also a nice 40g protein post workout shake.

charger, get a pic up to show rhis fella what a guy almost 3x his age looks like. send him with his tail between his legs

Yep my diet is so garbage, It defo doesn't get me 160-180g protein and 3k calories, defo hasn't got me from 120lbs skinny sht in 2014 to 165lbs now in 2018, nah it was just by the training on it's own according to you. It's not clean, i gained loads of fat too, but surprise! Muscle too "homie". You can also unsub please you are not helping at all. My diet could be BETTER, but is not GARBAGE. I remember benching 30 kilos when I was 14, and now i can 1 rep 110 kilos, did that happen by chance or.... maybe by eating?

[Couchlockd]

Yep my diet is so garbage, It defo doesn't get me 160-180g protein and 3k calories, defo hasn't got me from 120lbs skinny sht in 2014 to 165lbs now in 2018, nah it was just by the training on it's own according to you. It's not clean, i gained loads of fat too, but surprise! Muscle too "homie". You can also unsub please you are not helping at all. My diet could be BETTER, but is not GARBAGE. I remember benching 30 kilos when I was 14, and now i can 1 rep 110 kilos, did that happen by chance or.... maybe by eating?

lol

I can hit 110 kg for sets 10 till,the cows come home, and guess what? im 10lbs lighter than you.

and you went through puberty, that's why you almost look like a man now and put on weight.

[Vinnie214]

lol

I can hit 110 kg for sets 10 till,the cows come home, and guess what? im 10lbs lighter than you.

and you went through puberty, that's why you almost look like a man now and put on weight.

That's good for you, I'm 18, you're a full grown male, which lifts more? such a big surprise that is! weight aside brother, look the pictures on this thread. Clearly the weight gain wasn't JUST puberty, I put on muscle, don't be in denial. I admit is isn't the best diet, but as long as i hit my macors that is what's important for me. I am open to new meal ideas, but enough with the roast eh?

[Capebuffalo]

It seems a large portion of your cals have to be coming from the 2 shakes. Shakes are ok in a pinch. Your cals need to come from real food.
Whole eggs are fine

My first meal of the day is a shake I make
3/4 cup egg whites 300 cal
6 oz yogurt fruit smoothie 130 cal
1 pack dry instant grits 100 cals

I drink real food in 30 seconds that is 530 cals

[Back In Black]

Mate you are in the UK you don’t need your guy at the gym to get you HCG, it’s so easy to get online just do some research . £33 will get you 5000ius of Pregnyl delivered to your door.

[Mr.BB]

Mate you are in the UK you don’t need your guy at the gym to get you HCG, it’s so easy to get online just do some research . £33 will get you 5000ius of Pregnyl delivered to your door.

His mommy will catch it lol

[Vinnie214]

Mate you are in the UK you don’t need your guy at the gym to get you HCG, it’s so easy to get online just do some research . £33 will get you 5000ius of Pregnyl delivered to your door.

I get all my gear online, and my parents know I use gear. My source hasn't got bac water, I emailed to ask about hcg and it's getting restocked soon, but there is no bac water at all. If someone could PM me and guide me for where I can get BAC water, I'd appreciate that.

[charger69]

I get all my gear online, and my parents know I use gear. My source hasn't got bac water, I emailed to ask about hcg and it's getting restocked soon, but there is no bac water at all. If someone could PM me and guide me for where I can get BAC water, I'd appreciate that.

I’m not in the UK but google it. We can get it on amazon.com here


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[hammerheart]

I get all my gear online, and my parents know I use gear. My source hasn't got bac water, I emailed to ask about hcg and it's getting restocked soon, but there is no bac water at all. If someone could PM me and guide me for where I can get BAC water, I'd appreciate that.

Try this, they are UK domestic

https://tinyurl.com/y7jt5zf6

[Vinnie214]

Try this, they are UK domestic

https://tinyurl.com/y7jt5zf6

Have you ordered from this site before? Can you vouch for it?

[hammerheart]

Have you ordered from this site before? Can you vouch for it?

Yeah.

[geezuschrist]

See ya in a few months when you come by and say guys please help I can't get an erection, I'm tired all the time, and depressed. Please help I know I should have listened. The doctor says my testosterone level of 300 is normal and won't prescribe trt. I'm telling you whatever you gain you're gonna lose when you come off anyway. Steroids and trt are a lifelong thing in my opinion.

[Vinnie214]

See ya in a few months when you come by and say guys please help I can't get an erection, I'm tired all the time, and depressed. Please help I know I should have listened. The doctor says my testosterone level of 300 is normal and won't prescribe trt. I'm telling you whatever you gain you're gonna lose when you come off anyway. Steroids and trt are a lifelong thing in my opinion.

Oh really, is that what happened with my first cycle? Or am I still 165lbs? I wonder.... would I bother wasting all the money I have to my name for temporary gains? I dunno, Would I? For the last time. IT IS MY INTENTION TO USE THEM FOR MY WHOLE LIFE. Got it? Great! The only 2 people being helpful are charger and cape, all you others are starting to get on my nerves at this point, repeating yourselves. Seek other threads, unsub from this ty.

[geezuschrist]

I might sound like an ass but you just don't understand how harsh this stuff is on a developing hpta. Your body is gonna say huh look at all this testosterone we don't need to make it anymore. Deca is suppressive as hell as well. Trust me buddy you think I like the fact that I'm sticking a needle in my ass a couple times a week for the rest of my life just to feel normal? Hell no I wish I didn't have to do that but unfortunately there's no other way.
At 18 you have no clue what you want in your life. Hell I sure still don't know either. I promise you'll look back and say damn that was stupid of me. I looked good for a few months or maybe a year but you'll lose it all when you come off I swear to you. It may not happen for months maybe a year but it will eventually dissappear. But I know I'm wasting my time explaining this and you're gonna do it so have at her and get juicy haha!

[Vinnie214]

I might sound like an ass but you just don't understand how harsh this stuff is on a developing hpta. Your body is gonna say huh look at all this testosterone we don't need to make it anymore. Deca is suppressive as hell as well. Trust me buddy you think I like the fact that I'm sticking a needle in my ass a couple times a week for the rest of my life just to feel normal? Hell no I wish I didn't have to do that but unfortunately there's no other way.
At 18 you have no clue what you want in your life. Hell I sure still don't know either. I promise you'll look back and say damn that was stupid of me. I looked good for a few months or maybe a year but you'll lose it all when you come off I swear to you. It may not happen for months maybe a year but it will eventually dissappear. But I know I'm wasting my time explaining this and you're gonna do it so have at her and get juicy haha!

I'm going to stick to testosterone and dbol after this, deca was not a good idea. I will even use HCG with test and dbol, to maximise chances or smooth recovery, guess it's better safe than sorry.

[Couchlockd]

also want to point out the statistic of suicide rates among kids your age who use steroids, 19nors are no joke or are any other AAS

and you've been playing fast and loose for 2 cycles at 18. I hope you're still covered under your parents health insurance.

[charger69]

I might sound like an ass but you just don't understand how harsh this stuff is on a developing hpta. Your body is gonna say huh look at all this testosterone we don't need to make it anymore. Deca is suppressive as hell as well. Trust me buddy you think I like the fact that I'm sticking a needle in my ass a couple times a week for the rest of my life just to feel normal? Hell no I wish I didn't have to do that but unfortunately there's no other way.
At 18 you have no clue what you want in your life. Hell I sure still don't know either. I promise you'll look back and say damn that was stupid of me. I looked good for a few months or maybe a year but you'll lose it all when you come off I swear to you. It may not happen for months maybe a year but it will eventually dissappear. But I know I'm wasting my time explaining this and you're gonna do it so have at her and get juicy haha!

It’s never a waste of time the success rate is low but sometimes there is success.


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[dcycles]

I might sound like an ass but you just don't understand how harsh this stuff is on a developing hpta. Your body is gonna say huh look at all this testosterone we don't need to make it anymore. Deca is suppressive as hell as well. Trust me buddy you think I like the fact that I'm sticking a needle in my ass a couple times a week for the rest of my life just to feel normal? Hell no I wish I didn't have to do that but unfortunately there's no other way.
At 18 you have no clue what you want in your life. Hell I sure still don't know either. I promise you'll look back and say damn that was stupid of me. I looked good for a few months or maybe a year but you'll lose it all when you come off I swear to you. It may not happen for months maybe a year but it will eventually dissappear. But I know I'm wasting my time explaining this and you're gonna do it so have at her and get juicy haha!

Everyone who is "roasting" you probably feels this way.. some things in life you can't undo bud. I can't promise you your system will get ruined I also can't promise you it wont.. one thing I can promise you though is your outlook on life and what you think is important to you WILL be different later in life. Lots of guys on here (I assume) definitely wish they didn't have to jab themselves to feel normal. Noone can stop you just keep that in mind though. Good progress bud. I won't give advice on the sauce but I had a similar physique at your age and all I can say is eat eat eat

[Eduke93]

Everyone is looking out for your best interest dude, that's all...

You can make some great progress without the use of drugs at your age, but if this is the road your going to take its the road your going to take and no one can stop you.... I've been there, started around your age as well, I'm now 25. The least you can do is make sure you have a strong understanding of exactly what these drugs are, what they do, the problems they could potentially cause and ways in which you can combat the potential side effects. You owe it to your health. You have access to this forum with an abundance of information, so make sure you use it.

[Vinnie214]

Everyone is looking out for your best interest dude, that's all...

You can make some great progress without the use of drugs at your age, but if this is the road your going to take its the road your going to take and no one can stop you.... I've been there, started around your age as well, I'm now 25. The least you can do is make sure you have a strong understanding of exactly what these drugs are, what they do, the problems they could potentially cause and ways in which you can combat the potential side effects. You owe it to your health. You have access to this forum with an abundance of information, so make sure you use it.

Can I ask which compounds you used when you were 18-21? And I do understand the damage I am doing, more so now that I am discussing with you guys, have realised that deca is too harsh for me to use at this point, test is bad enough, first and last time with deca till I'm older, much older, thank you guys for opening my eyes on that one.