1-AD for 6 weeks at 900 mg daily

[mustang331]

I want to order something else with the 1-ad and stack it.. What should it be???

[YucLam]

I want to order something else with the 1-ad and stack it.. What should it be???

4-ad is very good stack with 1-ad

[scorpilon7]

ad-1 or Nor-diol/4-diol ?
I have a question about this stack I want to take, vs. stack #5 When you say twice aday
is that 750 mg twice, or 750 mg split in to equal servings for breakfast and
workout? Same question with the Nor-diol. Also what specific prouduct for
each do you suggest meaning best quaility and serving size. what ZMA
product do you suggest as well? Should I add anything to this like a
anti-estergin or Tribulus terrestris?
I am 22 5 9" and 195 with 12- 13% and have been working out for 4 years of
college and some in high school. I have never juiced but have
used creatine and gluamine and tried "poppers" from pinnacle.
If you suggest another stack just tell me.



Stack #2 - Cycle for good gains.

Week 1-2 take 750 mg of 4-diol and 250 mg of Nor-diol
Week 3-5 take 500 mg of 4-diol and 500 mg of Nor-diol
Week 6-7 take 250 mg of 4-diol and 750 mg of Nor-diol

Split stack up in two doses, take one after breakfast, the other 45-30 mins
before a workout in weeks 1-2, 60 mins before in weeks 3-5 and 90 mins
before workout weeks 6-7.

My product choice is based on anabolic properties. I selected the two best
compounds. They are both using the same conversion enzyme and could compete
at an increase of dosage. So I used a teeter-stack where one product
decreases in favor of the other, thereby keeping the overall amount the same
from week to week. But I also manage to bring endogenous testosterone down,
allowing the body to feel the decrease without dropping hormone levels. When
coming off a stack this will illicit a greater response in getting natural
test back on track without compromising the amount of gains made. I had a
practical problem in that the 4-diol peaks after 30-45 minutes and the
Nor-diol after 90 minutes, so the pre-workout administration had to move
along with it, shifting it back as the Nor-diol compounds became more
prevalent in the stack. Keep in mind that both compounds are fairly
suppressive of HPTA, so that using ZMA coming off a cycle is advised here.


Stack #5 (1AD and Nor-diol, 4-AD)

This is a hypothetical stack based on what I know of 1AD. Like I said, I'm trying it at the end of summer and will report back with detailed results, the good and the bad and the terrifyingly ugly (let's hope there is none of that) on just how useful 1AD really is. Here are two variations of a stack:

Week 1-6 600 mg of 1AD and 600 mg of 4AD

Take in 3 evenly spread doses of 200 mg of each product throughout the day.

This is a dose that allows you to see decent benefits off of 1AD without putting you straight in the poor house. In this instance it's a 6-week iso-stack, using 4AD as the counterpart. Because of the moderate dose and the daily spread you can get a lot out of the 4AD too. This is a very androgenic stack and should under no circumstances be taken by women. The 4AD makes a good partner for 1AD because it enhances the androgenic effect and it repairs a loss of libido that may come with the use of 1AD. Not to mention that these are possibly two of the most anabolic legal substances available today.

Week 1-2 900 mg of 1AD with 300 mg of Nor-diol
Week 3-4 600 mg of 1AD with 600 mg of Nor-diol
Week 5-6 600 mg of 1AD with 300 mg of Nor-diol

Take half the Nor-diol after breakfast and half after dinner, take 1AD spread over 3 even daily doses.

This is a tad more expensive. Ok, a lot more expensive. But this epitomizes a great stack. It's commonly believed that drugs with the effect of 1AD should be stacked with a non-androgen. And the most potent non-androgen is Nor-diol. It's a bit of a combination between a ski-slope and a teeter stack that should give great results for the small amount of time you are on it.

Normally I would recommend the use of 19Nor so there is no over saturation of the 3-beta enzyme that could compromise the conversion of the 1AD. But with the cost of 1AD I sincerely doubt that anyone can afford to take enough (or would want to) to saturate the enzymes.

[FEAR.COM]

1-ad,, 4-ad and also 19-nor-diol !!
MAKE SURE ALL WORDS END IN "DIOL' AND NOT DIONE BECAUSE THEY ARE STRONGER COMPOUNDS!

[mustang331]

Thanks guys, anyone wanna get me some direct linkt where to buy, for each one? I am finding many different things for both.. I am wondering if I should go with the 100mg or the 200mg.. please help thanks

[FEAR.COM]

These are not sources but supplement companies that have the best deals. You will have to 'search' and 'research' each product and decide which works best. Usually the one with the best form of delivery system is best.
dpsnutrition.com
massnutrition.com

[mustang331]

Ok here is what I found.. Tell me what you guys think....

4-AD
http://www.massnutrition.com/product...ION&item=MC005


1-AD
http://www.massnutrition.com/product...ARM&item=ER001

These two stacks for 8 weeks... Free shipping, as long as this is the right stuff guys?

[znak]

Ok here is what I found.. Tell me what you guys think....

4-AD
http://www.massnutrition.com/product...ION&item=MC005


1-AD
http://www.massnutrition.com/product...ARM&item=ER001

These two stacks for 8 weeks... Free shipping, as long as this is the right stuff guys?

Right stuff. Hope you are over 16 (Got one guy on this thread shrinking his ball at 17.)

btw the 4-ad will counteract that 1-ad effect regardless of your age

[YucLam]

Right stuff. Hope you are over 16 (Got one guy on this thread shrinking his ball at 17.)

btw the 4-ad will counteract that 1-ad effect regardless of your age

Just like anyone else balls will shrink despite age so what is the difference dumb ass

[CoRnErBaCk24]

Just like anyone else balls will shrink despite age so what is the difference dumb ass

why would u want to fuck up your own natural testosterone production when its just starting to kick in!

[mustang331]

I am 24 years old

[bigswole30]

Do not stack 1-ad with nor-diol unless you do not like having sex or masturbating. It will shut you down hard.

[FEAR.COM]

Hi guys I am 185 5"9 about 11% body fat I plan on running


week 1-6: 1-ad 900 mg daily
post cycle: 6-OXO

Supplements I use:
Creatine
Multivitamin
Zma
B Complex
Whey protein
MRP


Opinions??

I thought the whole purpose of these boards was to educate and put knowlege in others heads and yet we have ignorant 16-17 year olds wanting to buy tons of shit pro-hormones for what purpose,, to impress some fuckin chick???
Stick to your chess games, exercise your fuckin brain and if you really want to get bigger then train, eat, sleep and read up on how important all 3 are!!!
Dont even think of koolaid as a "juice" untill you have 3-5 years solid hard gym work under your belt and are over age 21

[dingobite]

I still have fears of what my balls would have looked like 6 weeks later.

Considering in 4 weeks times i put on two inchs of meat on the arms first two weeks on creatine second two both creatine and phormones, it leaves me wondering where the real gains where from ? Also relised as my routine became tighter and longer that as i improved my workouts my gains increased on the bench not to impressed.
Im a hard gainer naturally my joints are very use to weights even though i only took the hobby up of late last year. Just wish my muscle would grow as well as i train.
I dont feel overjoyed at all at watergain and water lose which suprised me it as it went away in two weeks what i bulked and dieted on.

Just like diet pills when my thighs start to feel like some big sharp stick is ponding and poking them then my liver starts to acting up on week two so i dropped the pills. Dont know if ill even finsih them off at 32 years.

[Ex_banana-eater]

I thought the whole purpose of these boards was to educate and put knowlege in others heads and yet we have ignorant 16-17 year olds wanting to buy tons of shit pro-hormones for what purpose,, to impress some fuckin chick???
Stick to your chess games, exercise your fuckin brain and if you really want to get bigger then train, eat, sleep and read up on how important all 3 are!!!
Dont even think of koolaid as a "juice" untill you have 3-5 years solid hard gym work under your belt and are over age 21

Insulting someone is not the best way to get a message through.

[YucLam]

I thought the whole purpose of these boards was to educate and put knowlege in others heads and yet we have ignorant 16-17 year olds wanting to buy tons of shit pro-hormones for what purpose,, to impress some fuckin chick???
Stick to your chess games, exercise your fuckin brain and if you really want to get bigger then train, eat, sleep and read up on how important all 3 are!!!
Dont even think of koolaid as a "juice" untill you have 3-5 years solid hard gym work under your belt and are over age 21

You just typed a whole paragraph but you obviously didn't state anything smart or with some science back up nice try!

[FEAR.COM]

You just typed a whole paragraph but you obviously didn't state anything smart or with some science back up nice try!

I see we have ourselves a "catch " here! Whats a "catch" you ask, someone who wants to argue over the net on a board, in a post that i tried to HELP you with!! Scientific proof that genetics on a 16 year old boy is actually called puberty, ask your doctor if you dont believe me! Taking in test will first shut your test down equaling out and you get nothin but a bad case of acne due to ur body building estrogen, look it up!
To me this is my last reply!! I am not trying to argue but help and you dont want it so i will stop trying and also to proove that there was no intent of insult as stated by "gondi"

[Ex_banana-eater]

I see we have ourselves a "catch " here! Whats a "catch" you ask, someone who wants to argue over the net on a board, in a post that i tried to HELP you with!! Scientific proof that genetics on a 16 year old boy is actually called puberty, ask your doctor if you dont believe me! Taking in test will first shut your test down equaling out and you get nothin but a bad case of acne due to ur body building estrogen, look it up!
To me this is my last reply!! I am not trying to argue but help and you dont want it so i will stop trying and also to proove that there was no intent of insult as stated by "gondi"

This paragraph is ridden with pseudo science and rumour. Yes a teenager will have higher testosterone than a average eugonodal male, but only slightly higher. An average male makes 5-8 mg's of testosterone per day. Using steroids would create superaphysiological levels equalling 10-20x that.

His body would actually have a lower amount of estrogen than the average man, since he is going to take a non-aromatising androgen, therefore estrogen levels will be supressed.

[FEAR.COM]

THANK YOU znak !

[Hero]

lol.....cfiler calm the fuck down, nobody made yuclam do shit, hes old enough to make his own fucking decisions. hes young and he'll bounce back.

[dingobite]

One thing i left out was about a side effect i recieved on 1-AD cycle plus the 18lbs was much to fastly gained.
Last few days before i quit i felt like i took a big nice bite out of a greasy cigarrete sandwich for days. I mean Wtf.


I positive i could taste my liver.

[hoss827]

Good God..900mg daily? For one thats too much, and for two you would go broke very fast. For my PH cycle I am gonna use 1-AD, 4-AD, and a bottle of 5-AD (estrogen makes you blow up like a baloon) and a bottle of MAG-10 which i cant find anywhere...if anyone knows where i can get MAG-10 send me a PM. But yah man, dont use that high of a dosage at all, I haveto agree with Cornerback.