Dr. Suess books declared racist. Canceled

[wango]

I’m speaking only to as why a book was banned in our school, which is the topic of this thread. I’m not talking about prejudice, racism or acts of violence of one group upon another in general.

Also, I did not identify who was doing the acts. It actually wasn’t exclusive to one “group”.

The fact was that children could not learn in school and that was my intent and why I personally agree that the book should be banned.

[Hughinn]

I’m speaking only to as why a book was banned in our school, which is the topic of this thread. I’m not talking about prejudice, racism or acts of violence of one group upon another in general.

Also, I did not identify who was doing the acts. It actually wasn’t exclusive to one “group”.

The fact was that children could not learn in school and that was my intent and why I personally agree that the book should be banned.

I understand.
I might've misconstrued my point.

My point was that censorship doesn't discourage the behavior your talking about. It just drives it underground and radicalizes it. It causes resentment and hostility.

My opinion is that we as a nation need to stick to our founding principle of freedom of speech and expression. And I mean that people can say whatever they want, no matter how stupid it is. Washington DC is a prime example. The stupid shit that comes out of the people in that place is astounding.

But moreover, allowing freedom of speech and expression will ultimately lead to more acceptance. Not less. More acceptance and tolerance leads to less of the behavior your talking about. A racist or leftist lunatic in front of a crowd who chuckels and smiles at him, will ultimately lead to a different perspective than censoring and forcefully silencing him.

No good government or leader with good intentions cancelles books or censors speech and expression.

I'd also like to clarify, that a particular school board dropping a book from it's curriculum with the consensus and agreement of the community with no external force or coercion is different than cancelling books because of outside political pressure from a few vocal groups.

[wango]

I understand.
I might've misconstrued my point.

My point was that censorship doesn't discourage the behavior your talking about. It just drives it underground and radicalizes it. It causes resentment and hostility.

My opinion is that we as a nation need to stick to our founding principle of freedom of speech and expression. And I mean that people can say whatever they want, no matter how stupid it is. Washington DC is a prime example. The stupid shit that comes out of the people in that place is astounding.

But moreover, allowing freedom of speech and expression will ultimately lead to more acceptance. Not less. More acceptance and tolerance leads to less of the behavior your talking about. A racist or leftist lunatic in front of a crowd who chuckels and smiles at him, will ultimately lead to a different perspective than censoring and forcefully silencing him.

No good government or leader with good intentions cancelles books or censors speech and expression.

I didn’t mean to aggravate you at all, I just wanted to pass on something that really troubled/baffled our school/staff and likely still would be an enormous issue had we not closed. It was something we all had never seen in the community before & we have teachers that graduated from the school, as had their parents (it’s over 100 years old).

I agree about free speech and I hate censorship. It’s just dealing with kids and things that influence or possibly incite them is a a different situation imo. I have similar feelings about the “entertainment” industry and their influence. It’s a shame that books with innocent intent have to be changed now and crap that passes for “entertainment” goes untouched. Your point is absolutely valid.

[charger69]

I didn’t mean to aggravate you at all, I just wanted to pass on something that really troubled/baffled our school/staff and likely still would be an enormous issue had we not closed. It was something we all had never seen in the community before & we have teachers that graduated from the school, as had their parents (it’s over 100 years old).

I agree about free speech and I hate censorship. It’s just dealing with kids and things that influence or possibly incite them is a a different situation imo. I have similar feelings about the “entertainment” industry and their influence. It’s a shame that books with innocent intent have to be changed now and crap that passes for “entertainment” goes untouched. Your point is absolutely valid.

I have to give my $.02.
We are going to ban Dr Seuss but keep the rap music that uses the N word like it is common language and excessive foul language???
I am no saint, but I heard the rap that the you get kids listen to. I was like wtf!


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[Gallowmere]

I have to give my $.02.
We are going to ban Dr Seuss but keep the rap music that uses the N word like it is common language and excessive foul language???
I am no saint, but I heard the rap that the you get kids listen to. I was like wtf!


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I mean, to be fair, the mongs did come out trying to “cancel” Eminem recently, over a 2010 song that he did with Rhianna.
It amuses the fuck out of me. That man is the king of “go fuck yourself”, and even went at it with two different presidential administrations trying to shut him up. The fuck do these keyboard warrior chucklefucks think they’re going to do to him?

[wango]

I have to give my $.02.
We are going to ban Dr Seuss but keep the rap music that uses the N word like it is common language and excessive foul language???
I am no saint, but I heard the rap that the you get kids listen to. I was like wtf!


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My post wasn’t about Dr. Seus but To Kill A Mockingbird.

I also mentioned that I never observed rap music having that type of influence. My post was also not about “foul language”, but language that was inciting an environment of hate in a classroom and was not allowing students to learn.

Since you have just accused me of doing something negligent with children that would get me fired; I would like you to enlighten myself and the board by telling me exactly what rap music you have heard me get my kids listening to. You do understand the seriousness of your accusation, correct? Back it up, no wait a second, you can’t, because you haven’t a clue.

Hey Charger is this a rap song, lol? And no, it’s not introduced to my kids because of the language and content.

[Mooseman33]

and here we are again boys and girls.

complete shit show.

no points will be made and this will end up locked.

[wango]

Still waiting Charger . . . . .

Will shoot you a PM as a reminder.

[charger69]

To all- oops - I guess I did something wrong.
My intention was not to accuse anyone of anything. If it came off as that- I apologize.
Wango- you know me well enough. I would never degrade you intentionally. Even when we disagreed, I agreed to disagree and left it there in the past.
I did not read all of the posts- rarely does anyone go through 60+ posts. I am sure there is something there that started this.

I would like to thank Wango for PMing me so that I can clear it up. I hadn’t read the responses after I posted.


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[David LoPan]

I did not read all of the posts- rarely does anyone go through 60+ posts. I am sure there is something there that started this.


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Shit, this is going to save me some time. Why am I just hearing about everyone not reading all the posts before posting?

[charger69]

Freaking spell correction.. my reference was the music that the young kids play at the gym and what my son listens to. Not “your “ kids.

Sorry man!


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[wango]

We’re good, TY for that!

Totally agreed, I posted that I don’t agree with censorship and I don’t care for certain lyrics/videos.

Peace Charger, I just take my role as a teacher seriously and took offense. If you saw what I regularly see in this profession you would understand. There are “adults” that simply don’t act as such and it gives our profession a bad look and you feel ashamed to be in the same profession.

[charger69]

We’re good, TY for that!

Totally agreed, I posted that I don’t agree with censorship and I don’t care for certain lyrics/videos.

Peace Charger, I just take my role as a teacher seriously and took offense. If you saw what I regularly see in this profession you would understand. There are “adults” that simply don’t act as such and it gives our profession a bad look and you feel ashamed to be in the same profession.

I totally understand. Teachers really don’t get the credit they should from the kids or their parents.
Then comes a meat head (me). LOL


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[Hughinn]

We’re good, TY for that!

Totally agreed, I posted that I don’t agree with censorship and I don’t care for certain lyrics/videos.

Peace Charger, I just take my role as a teacher seriously and took offense. If you saw what I regularly see in this profession you would understand. There are “adults” that simply don’t act as such and it gives our profession a bad look and you feel ashamed to be in the same profession.

I bet you're a bad ass teacher wango. I wish I had a teacher like you in school.

All my teachers thought I was just a stoner, a thug and a delinquent , and told me I'd never amount to anything. Said I never showed up for class, stayed high all the time and didn't have any friends except a bunch of horny little girls (exact words from one teacher).I thought I sounded pretty cool the way he put it. But they never seen my potential.

But, I proved em all wrong

Haha

[wango]

TY Charger & Hughin.

Some teachers just like any other professionals don’t deserve respect. I’ve strived for better than that.

The two of you (and hopefully myself) have also shown that 3 individuals from different regions, different professions and different beliefs can have a respectful conversation, speak our minds openly & honestly and still maintain the ability to communicate on further issues is a wonderful thing. It’s why I love being here.

TY.

[Test Monsterone]

Glad this didn’t blow up lol. You guys made some good points. had to read through some responses. I think the important part about the Dr. Seuss issue is that the publishers of the book themselves decided to pull said books, not the government. They consulted teachers and other professionals, and came to the conclusion that it was less troublesome and more beneficial to not include those books or stories in their catalog. That is a business decision based on much time and research. None of us here know the details, it we can be sure that a lot of thought went into this decision. It’s not a radical left movement, though it may (on the surface) resemble one.

Now the second issue is essentially about the real or perceived double-standard of races in this country. I agree that it’s ridiculous to point fingers at the most minuscule offense while turning a head to the loud and vulgar. It is often mentioned by many blacks that hip hop is a culture/their culture. When you listen to the majority of mainstream hip hop, it mostly depicts the life of a scumbag and the scumbag ways. I listen to a lot of hip hop, but tend to avoid the majority of it because the message is blatantly offensive. Now I grew up around a lot of black kids when I was younger and saw how hip hop entrenches their lives. When every conversation, or lyric floating through their head is something violent or criminal, this ends up seeping into their subconscious minds. So if this is what they call their culture - it’s a big problem for everyone.

And this goes beyond the black race. Whites get sucked into it, too. I love the rhythm and energy I get from a hard track, but as an adult I consciously filter out the message. Kids don’t do that. I know that poverty and broken homes lead to problems with adjusting in society and behavior in general, but if the media is going to focus on things like Dr. Seuss, why does it ignore the blatantly obvious insidious nature of the hip hop lifestyle, violent music, and the culture it inspires?

Companies will make business decisions and money hungry record companies will do the same, but I think we should be focusing on real things, not the Aunt Jemima brand, or how some storybook may or may not have a racist connotation. Why not focus on fixing the 70+ % fatherless homes, abysmal drop out rates, violence, drugs, and the music and culture that perpetuates these things?

[charger69]

We were just informed that the candidate pool must include a female and a colored person. That is BS... and this is just after I hired a colored female. I hired her because she was the most qualified candidate.... not because of her gender or color of her skin.


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[Cuz]

We were just informed that the candidate pool must include a female and a colored person. That is BS... and this is just after I hired a colored female. I hired her because she was the most qualified candidate.... not because of her gender or color of her skin.


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Gotta get that quota

[almostgone]

We were just informed that the candidate pool must include a female and a colored person. That is BS... and this is just after I hired a colored female. I hired her because she was the most qualified candidate.... not because of her gender or color of her skin.




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In bold above. That's exactly as it should be. Hiring based on skills and talent, not because of a quota.

If I didn't get a job because someone of color was more qualified than me, that motivates me to improve myself. Hiring based on a "quote" has caused more hard feelings than many people realize.

[Cuz]

In bold above. That's exactly as it should be. Hiring based on skills and talent, not because of a quota.

If I didn't get a job because someone of color was more qualified than me, that motivates me to improve myself. Hiring based on a "quote" has caused more hard feelings than many people realize.

The place i work at usually hires 50/50 black and white. Hiring isnt based on performance as much as need be, resulting in massive turnover. Thus resulting in forced overtime and shitty quaility of life. But hey, thats the way America operates today sadly

[almostgone]

The place i work at usually hires 50/50 black and white. Hiring isnt based on performance as much as need be, resulting in massive turnover. Thus resulting in forced overtime and shitty quaility of life. But hey, thats the way America operates today sadly

That's so screwed up. It can't be good for the employees or the shareholders/parent company.

[David LoPan]

We were just informed that the candidate pool must include a female and a colored person. That is BS... and this is just after I hired a colored female. I hired her because she was the most qualified candidate.... not because of her gender or color of her skin.


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BS, She was the hottest person that applied for the job! LOL

[charger69]

BS, She was the hottest person that applied for the job! LOL

Shhhhhhh! LOL


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[wango]

We were just informed that the candidate pool must include a female and a colored person. That is BS... and this is just after I hired a colored female. I hired her because she was the most qualified candidate.... not because of her gender or color of her skin.


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Completely agree about it being bs. I feel the same at the university level when they must fulfill an enrollment quota for certain minorities instead of going by academic skills.

[Cornish]

How do we know they are liberals...Hrmmmm..." our audiences including teachers, academics and specialists in the field." Bahahaha [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji2135]

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[Hughinn]

Because I realize there are some members here who openly and even proudly support the american leftist movement, out of respect for them, I don't think it appropriate to start another thread on the progression of the democrat party's mission to cancel american culture.

So instead of trying to rub a puppy's nose in it's own shit. I'll just post the latest victim here, as we all shake our heads in confusion over what this all means and why it's happening.

Rip. Canceled for promoting "rape culture". A skunk, who chases around a cat mind you. A children's cartoon.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1260311

Coming on the heels of vp harris, whom once said "all women should be believed" and vehemently and viciously supported the claims made against a supreme court justice last year, now refuses to answer any questions concerning her democrat colleague governor andrew cuomo, who faces truly credible accusations of sexual harassment.

By credible, I mean it can at least be proved both the accused and accuser we're at some point in the same place at the same time. Of course this critical evidence meant nothing to madame harris when she hysterically attacked justice kavanagh, when even a basic requisite like that couldn't be proved at the time. Making it so much more puzzling why she refuses any questions concerning her colleague mr. Cuomo.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kam...ssment-scandal

It's baffling to try to understand just how the current administration is truly trying to combat "rape culture" by cancelling children's cartoons, but ignoring the elephant in the room.

[Honkey_Kong]

Because I realize there are some members here who openly and even proudly support the american leftist movement, out of respect for them, I don't think it appropriate to start another thread on the progression of the democrat party's mission to cancel american culture.

So instead of trying to rub a puppy's nose in it's own shit. I'll just post the latest victim here, as we all shake our heads in confusion over what this all means and why it's happening.

Rip. Canceled for promoting "rape culture". A skunk, who chases around a cat mind you. A children's cartoon.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1260311

Coming on the heels of vp harris, whom once said "all women should be believed" and vehemently and viciously supported the claims made against a supreme court justice last year, now refuses to answer any questions concerning her democrat colleague governor andrew cuomo, who faces truly credible accusations of sexual harassment.

By credible, I mean it can at least be proved both the accused and accuser we're at some point in the same place at the same time. Of course this critical evidence meant nothing to madame harris when she hysterically attacked justice kavanagh, when even a basic requisite like that couldn't be proved at the time. Making it so much more puzzling why she refuses any questions concerning her colleague mr. Cuomo.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kam...ssment-scandal

It's baffling to try to understand just how the current administration is truly trying to combat "rape culture" by cancelling children's cartoons, but ignoring the elephant in the room.

Biden really has nothing to do with companies banning their own intellectual properties. Warner Bros. are the ones behind that. Just like Disney is the one behind the censoring of a whole bunch of their own movies. I agree with you that it's stupid and ridiculous, but you can do whatever you want with your property and they are doing that with theirs.

You could just make your own cartoons to fill in the void that the removal of Pepe le Pew created.

[Hughinn]

Biden really has nothing to do with companies banning their own intellectual properties. Warner Bros. are the ones behind that. Just like Disney is the one behind the censoring of a whole bunch of their own movies. I agree with you that it's stupid and ridiculous, but you can do whatever you want with your property and they are doing that with theirs.

You could just make your own cartoons to fill in the void that the removal of Pepe le Pew created.

Making a choice based on objective and neutral information is one thing. I agree with your point there.

This was not that.

It was a choice made to avoid being bullied and defamed by the left. We have to stop pretending it's otherwise. Because if we continue to do that, it will keep on happening more and more. We must admit what's really going on. They were bullied into not selling books, cartoons and kids toys because the woke mob wants to destroy American culture.

When free expression and speech gets canceled because of political bullying, then you don't have freedom of speech or expression.

Not fighting an ass rape to avoid a beating, doesn't mean a victim consented to analyze sex and didn't get ass raped.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Making a choice based on objective and neutral information is one thing. I agree with your point there.

This was not that. So says you. The man who claims that middle class white men are slaves. I don't trust your judgement.

It was a choice made to avoid being bullied and defamed by the left. We have to stop pretending it's otherwise. Because if we continue to do that, it will keep on happening more and more. We must admit what's really going on. They were bullied into not selling books, cartoons and kids toys because the woke mob wants to destroy American culture.

When free expression and speech gets canceled because of political bullying, then you don't have freedom of speech or expression.

Not fighting an ass rape to avoid a beating, doesn't mean a victim consented to analyze sex and didn't get ass raped.

The teachers, and academics, and experts that spoke with the Dr. Seuss Enterprise simply used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH to voice their displeasure with some images in some books.
After listening to people who were using their FREEDOM OF SPEECH Dr. Seuss Enterprises agreed.

"These books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong," Dr. Seuss Enterprises told The Associated Press in a statement.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dr-seuss-...racist-imagery

Then Dr. Seuss Enterprises ran their company the way they saw fit.
And a bunch of conservatives cried.

I understand how someone who thinks they are a slave can feel that Dr. Seuss Enterprises was getting bullied.
Life must be very scary to someone who thinks he is a slave.

I can understand how some white people on this board don't find some images offensive.
It doesn't mean that other people don't find some images offensive.

I can understand how some people think Dr. Seuss Enterprises shouldn't stop selling the books.
But Dr. Seuss Enterprises can do whatever they want... even if it offends the conservatives.

Seriously... the right feels offended because some teachers, academics, and experts were offended.
I geuss only the right can be offended????

#StopBeingOffendedBecauseItOffendsMe

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[Honkey_Kong]

Making a choice based on objective and neutral information is one thing. I agree with your point there.

This was not that.

It was a choice made to avoid being bullied and defamed by the left. We have to stop pretending it's otherwise. Because if we continue to do that, it will keep on happening more and more. We must admit what's really going on. They were bullied into not selling books, cartoons and kids toys because the woke mob wants to destroy American culture.

When free expression and speech gets canceled because of political bullying, then you don't have freedom of speech or expression.

Not fighting an ass rape to avoid a beating, doesn't mean a victim consented to analyze sex and didn't get ass raped.

I'm not going to look in to the claim of them being "bullied and defamed by the left," so I'll just take your word for it for this. So what you're trying to say is that it's not okay to complain about something you don't like? If somebody does something you don't like, you can't go to them and express how disgusted you are? That sounds awfully like those safe spaces and crayons, the left were being accused of.

If you were to ban them from being able to do that, where is the line? Nobody can be critical of anyone no matter what fvuked up things they do?

I don't agree with those commies, but I also don't agree with abandoning the very values that made American society. Stooping down to their level only makes you as bad as they are.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Making a choice based on objective and neutral information is one thing. I agree with your point there.

This was not that.

It was a choice made to avoid being bullied and defamed by the left. We have to stop pretending it's otherwise. Because if we continue to do that, it will keep on happening more and more. We must admit what's really going on. They were bullied into not selling books, cartoons and kids toys because the woke mob wants to destroy American culture.

When free expression and speech gets canceled because of political bullying, then you don't have freedom of speech or expression.

Not fighting an ass rape to avoid a beating, doesn't mean a victim consented to analyze sex and didn't get ass raped.

Any proof of this bullying or defamation?

Or should we just take your word?

[Beetlegeuse]

[wango]

Nice!!! But can you solve this?