Questions about HRT and cycle.....Johnnyb?

**Austex** · 10-20-2003, 04:48 PM

I personally am not educated in HRT, but my question is this: If you are worried that running a cycle will interfere with blood work performed by your doc ( HRT Monitoring ) , why even bother with HRT? You could then run your cycle, and during the "off" months administer your own HRT. A doc will gladly describe test results to you if you simply go in and have your blood work done.

**BASK8KACE** · 10-20-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Austex

I personally am not educated in HRT, but my question is this: If you are worried that running a cycle will interfere with blood work performed by your doc ( HRT Monitoring ) , why even bother with HRT? You could then run your cycle, and during the "off" months administer your own HRT. A doc will gladly describe test results to you if you simply go in and have your blood work done.

Austex,

I'm guessing that if you get a legitimate prescription for 200mg of testosterone per month, you can (if you choose to do this) benefit in two ways:

(1) You know that the most important part of your cycle--your testosterone base is pure.
(2) If you save your bottles of test, you can create a good cycle without paying black-market prices. In other words, you'll save money.

But the trick, so to speak, is to truly have a reason to get a prescription. Some doctors require several tests before prescirbing HRT.

I know that there is discussion in the medical community about whether it is ethical or even risky (due to liability issues) to administer steroids to someone who has obviously abused them in the past. For example, if a bodybuilder--250 lbs. 5'8" tall, 9% body fat--walks into a doctor's office asking for HRT due to low test levels, some doctors and even some pharmacists will refuse to administer HRT due to suspected AS abuse. Some doctors will only prescribe Androgel to some patients and will refuse to administer/prescribe injectable testosterone to these bodybuilders.

**sp9** · 10-20-2003, 06:15 PM

About the doc checkups, what about health check usa? couldn't you order a Super Chemistry test plus PSA and throw in their other test for total and frationized test levels without seeing the doc? The super chemistry with PSA is $75 and I am sure the test for test is not much. You get referred to the same labs in your area that your doctor would send you to and get the results delivered to you. While we are not doctors you would definitley be able to see where you are in relation to the normal ranges. Also they have a service where a doc will go over the results with you over the phone.

The super chem test does the following: Includes Total Cholesterol, HDL,LDL,and Ratios, Triglycerides, Glucose(Diabetes), Kidney, Liver, and Heart Functions, Potassium, Calcium,Uric Acid, Electrolytes, Iron, PLUS a CBC (Complete Blood Count) AND our PSA which is recommended for males over 50 years of age, or over 40 years of age with family history. HealthcheckUSA avg. price: $75.00 / Valued $346.00 (HealthcheckUSA pricing can vary depending on location chosen.)

**BASK8KACE** · 10-20-2003, 06:20 PM

scottp999,

This is good info. Is there a phone number or web address for these test centers?

**Warrior** · 10-20-2003, 06:38 PM

The answer to what effects anabolic steroids have above the minimal does is somewhere within these two books:

I only have the Yesalis book with me right now (I am overseas) - but I am sure the study I am referring to was in that one. BASK8KACE - there are more effects than that on muscle tissue - as I am sure you know, the effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids on the body are quite broad. For example, I am positive that the authors mentioned an effect on satelite cells (myoblasts) that only occured at a dose above 300mg per week. But like I said, I can't locate the study I was referring to that suggested improved anabolic effects over 300mg per week of testosterone. You'll just have to trust me on this one until I come across it - in which time I will post it or PM you the info.

But anyway - both books are a must read for anyone remotely interested in the topic (which should be just about anyone using PEDs). Out of these two - I would say the Yesalis book provided the best info. But Taylors reenforces a lot of the information.

**J*U*icEd** · 10-20-2003, 09:04 PM

umm question.....what is HRT?

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**sp9** · 10-20-2003, 07:10 PM

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/home.html

HealthcheckUSA
8700 Crownhill Rd., Suite 110
San Antonio, TX 78209

I used their service one time before. After you choose a test and a testing location, you pay online, they mail you the paperwork you need to take to the testing center. I chose my local hospital's lab which is about 1 mile from my home. The lab sends the results back to them. They forward them to you and can make them available online if you want. I wanted to get checked for something without having to tell my doctor and have it go down in his records. Worked great. I think I will do the super chem test and the testoserone tests now before and after any future cycles. If you find something out of wack you can always hand the test to your doctor later if that's what you need to do.

***JohnnyB*** · 10-20-2003, 09:10 PM

Hormone Replacement Theropy

JohnnyB

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-20-2003, 09:51 PM

I swear, I change my mind every second. I was just about to call the endoc, that my dr. referred me too, but then I talked with my buddy an he said, All I should do is try and get my dr. to allow me to due my own injections, that way if for some reason I got busted, I am legit.

The bottom line is this. I DO have low test levels. Thats a given. So, I know in the long run, I will be able to talk my dr. into giving me more and I don't think I will get consistent blood work done. (he again knows nothing about HRT)

what confuses me the most is this. I'm happy with doing this stuff on my own. Will I ever get busted with Test in my home? Chances are slim to NONE. So, again, the main thing I am concerned about is my health. Should I do a cycle of lets just say 350mg of test along with some EQ for about 12-16 weeks like I did before, then come off it and continue 100-200mg of test a week year long? Knowone really knows the long term side effects, thats probably what concerns me the most...

Then what? I know the safe thing to do is always get blood work done. But It will never show the truth.

TO SUM it UP: whats more important to me, a cycle to get big, or a small amount of test the rest of my life to get me by? I want the best of both worlds, but I want to be safe......

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-20-2003, 09:58 PM

Oh and other thing that concerns me. HGH. I am 4 months in at 2iu's a day, and I'm wondering when I should stop? I am on my last vial and when I told my buddy I probably couldn't afford anymore, he just says don't worry about it. You can always pay me back. I can stress enough what HGH is doing for me. I swear, I was with some friends tonight and every looked at me and said "MY GOD, you look amazing". You have lost tons of fat. But, I swear, if you guys knew my diet, you would think it's a miralce I'm not gaining weight. If I wasn't on HGH, I would easily be 14-18 pounds heavier. My metabolism is horrible. I used to go on a trip for a week and eat and drink and I'd come back 15 poiunds heavier. I've been eating and drinking like that for the last 4 months. This stuff is actually scary...I'm beginning to think Its worth more than gold....

***JohnnyB*** · 10-21-2003, 09:07 AM

Damn Bro this has you thinking to much

The way I see it you have a few options. 1) Go with your Doc and do the cycle, the problem I see with this is he'll see your progress and may stop givivg you the injections. 2) Go to the endoc, get the proper blood work done. He'll probably give you 100mg a week and a script to take home. 3) Do the cycle then go to your Dr or the endoc your Dr recomended or find another one.

At some point you need the blood work done because your going to be on life time test. I'd say the sooner the better. Stay on the hgh if you want, with that kind of deal I would

JohnnyB

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-21-2003, 10:51 AM

I know, I sound like a broken record!!!!

***JohnnyB*** · 10-21-2003, 12:52 PM

I wouldn't say that, but when you have a cycle planned it can be frustrating. I'm going through the low hgh/igf-1 thing with my Dr. Which set me back on my hgh cycle, so I know how you feel.

JohnnyB

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-21-2003, 01:57 PM

Yeah, am just sooo frustrated. I was hoping to start my cycle this week or next.

***JohnnyB*** · 10-21-2003, 02:15 PM

I've put mine off for 3 months now

JohnnyB

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-21-2003, 02:21 PM

3 months...I don't think I could wait that long! Once I get my gear in hand, I can't see me holding off...

***JohnnyB*** · 10-21-2003, 02:34 PM

It's not easy, I'm just about to give in

JohnnyB

**BUYLONGTERM** · 10-21-2003, 02:36 PM

Whatever decision I make, I will regret. So, if I have my gear next week...........I think I will start, but I think I will only be doing 300mg of test till I figure out what to do next

**johnsomebody** · 10-21-2003, 03:20 PM

Maybe you should just do your cycle and hold off on the HRT thing til after that's over. Seems the least complicated option to me.

**Austex** · 10-22-2003, 10:21 PM

This is indeed interesting, and cheap. www.healthcheckusa.com

**johnsomebody** · 10-23-2003, 01:25 PM

Yeah, that healthcheckusa.com is great. My doc refuses to give me a test levels test so I gotta go there. Unfortunately they don't provide the full panel (free & bound, estrogen, DHEA) just a straight testosterone. And PSA is separate.

**sp9** · 10-23-2003, 02:06 PM

They do offer the better test, test at some of the centers. Guess it depends on your location.

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