I thought go heavy or go home was a good little pep quote. Guess I'm a bad wrap myself.Originally Posted by buylongterm
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I thought go heavy or go home was a good little pep quote. Guess I'm a bad wrap myself.
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I'm trying to picture a doc writing a 'script for EQ, but telling the patient they will ahve to have it filled at a vet!
Here's another thought about Foxy's "growth cycle"...If the purpose of this is to grow before your growth plates close, why are you waiting? By the time you save enough money to finance this outrageously expensive debachal(sp), your plates will have closed and you'll probably be about 24 years old. I have doubts that this cycle will ever take place. It seems like more of an exercise in thought and disscussion than anything else. I didn't want to post my thoughts on this and bring this idea up again, but since it's already back on the table...
-moto
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This is a joke. Right?
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i have a tremendous amount of respect for fox's intelligence and thorough research...when i found out he was only 18, i was blown away..i thought "this kid must be some kind of borderline genius, maybe the next great steroid guru"
that being said...i have to say that you're still very young, with the arrogance of youth. it's a time where its especially easy to fall in love with grand theories. as you get more experienced, you start to realize how few grand theories pass the reality test. it's always fun to plan "the ultimate cycle" and you've got some very interesting ideas in this one. but there is a huge amount of accumulated wisdom on this board and you should listen to some of their critiques, and tweak your program accordingly.
i don't have the vast experience some these guys have but here are a couple of things that jump right out at me.
more use of hcg - if you're going on a year long cycle, you should use hcg every periodically throughout your cycle, not just for pct. this will hopefully make it much easier on your body. a year long cycle is no joke.
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Was Foxy the one that was trying to develop a cycle that would allow him to grow taller? I'm not sure but kind of remember reading something like that......
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yes he was
JohnnyB
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Indeed I am.
Cycleon you make a better point, I guess DHT levels and hairloss is something a teen would have to decide. As a very wise friend of mine says, risk:reward.
Finasteride would be a good idea to combat that.
As for permenantly lowered endogenous test, I just dont see it. Id like to see some kind of research that backs up this paranoid thought that it lowers it permenantly during the teen years from exogenous supplies... anyone?
If followed up with HCG and Clomid, I cannot possibly see how their can be much of an effect.
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Most of you guys are too hellbent and narrow-minded about this "premature" steroid use. Fuck, I'd be surprised if anybody who chimed in really gave a shit. Seems to me it's an excuse for you guys to talk about your good muscle base and 'ingenious' knowledge about steroids, and your 'years' of research yada yada yada.
Me? I say go for it - Just don't become another horror story... eat right, cycle right, train right, and stick with it. It doesn't take years to learn about steroids, invest a few days browsing and get the idea. Prepare to reap the consequences, whatever they may be.
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Bro and I guess this is some of your "Ingenious knowledge"........... Do this stuff some place else.
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This post originally said, "See what I mean?"
-Realizing the obscurity of this statement, I altered the post to read:
"I guess you know everything."
Last edited by King Test; 11-03-2003 at 08:35 PM.
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No I don't know what you mean............... Tell us bro.
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And then u do and edit your post.................... bro I never said I know everything............. I know enough not to act like you.
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pretty damn close to everything, if not everything
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Bro, those veins in your arms.....................siccccccccck!
Thats truly badass biceps and forearms. Did you warm them up before u took that pic because that doesn't look like something done flexing cold.
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Me? I say go for it - Just don't become another horror story... eat right, cycle right, train right, and stick with it. It doesn't take years to learn about steroids, invest a few days browsing and get the idea. Prepare to reap the consequences, whatever they may be.
Tell me why that's not good advice. You should listen before you speak.
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Oh yeah, why shouldn't he?
Assuming the post-cycle therapy is being performed correctly, and reasonable doses are employed, and the training, rest, PCT, and diet are decent, chances are he's running the risk of mostly everybody here, regardless of age. There's a small chance might throw off his natural balance and shut his growth plates down - but an inch of growth isn't worth anybody running a shitty, ill-informed cycle, and losing all his gains and falling apart mentally.
Don't be such an asshole. Tell him the risks of using steroids at his age, and tell him how to use them correctly. It's that simple. Don't be fake and pretend like you care personally. Man up and give him advice. Not everybody that started young regrets it. That's why I said he should try his best not to have regrets, like with anything in life.
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I'm an asshole.......... Oh well, I've been called worse.
Bro I guess you didn't read this thread.
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Yeah I did read the thread. You told him to stop, without much reason. And stop calling me bro, we're far from it.
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Thank u guys very much for ur help and conerns towards me and my youthful help. I have read just too many horror stories regarding teen steroid users and the greater side effects teens face on juice than adults do. I will read more into juice, as I have been researching off and on for about 3 years now. I am proud to say I have entered the bright side, and as a teen myself, I will convince other teens to not juice. Now lets show some more of madmax's poems!!! Hey guys is my natural test leveks fucked up for life because I did cycle for 3 weeks? im kinda nervous..allright thank u guys so much, u probably saved me my natural test for life ..phew
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I'm happy to see you're going to stop! Eat big, train, and rest and you will grow.
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Bro that's a very mature decision, Do some clomid or nolva in 2 weeks, go for 3 weeks and you should be ok
JohnnyB
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Great Decision Powerful Beast!!! I respect you!!!!. Nice going!!! Stick around the boards for a few years!!!! I'm sure you have a lot of other bro's respect as well. You should be fine. You were only 3 weeks into your cycle. Start Post cycle thearpy!!! Anything I can do, please let me know!!!!
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Word, bump for Powerful Beast. Props for taking critism while most people won't.
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nice work bros. i will say that i started before the "set" age of 25, but i did see a doctor and he did say that my growth is done and through puberty, however i can't recommend you starting bro. I was deff. not 18.
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As far as if a teenager was going to be hard headed and do AAS anyway, I agree that they should know how to do it safely, however I will not contribute in any way to someone that young wanting to do AAS
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Yes, thank u guys. Mudman sorry about the early reply I had there, I wasnt very happy with my decision I made, so I was very nervous and upset that I messed up and started the cycle too early....But all I can say is..IM very glad to have you good people help me on this board, because if it wasnt for you guys, I'd finish the 10-week cycle and god knows what will happen then...LoL the funny thing is im planning my next cycle for when im 21 LMAO. ANybody got any suggestions? lol I will stay on this board for as long as I can to spread the word about the risks of teen steroid users. If there is any teen consider using AAS, please PM me, and I will be glad to get to that person immediately. ALso, is madmax still around? I really liked his poems, and tell him to keep on doing em! cheers for old and young people alike!
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Yes, thank u guys. Mudman sorry about the early reply I had there, I wasnt very happy with my decision I made, so I was very nervous and upset that I messed up and started the cycle too early....But all I can say is..IM very glad to have you good people help me on this board, because if it wasnt for you guys, I'd finish the 10-week cycle and god knows what will happen then...LoL the funny thing is im planning my next cycle for when im 21 LMAO. ANybody got any suggestions? lol I will stay on this board for as long as I can to spread the word about the risks of teen steroid users. If there is any teen consider using AAS, please PM me, and I will be glad to get to that person immediately. ALso, is madmax still around? I really liked his poems, and tell him to keep on doing em! cheers for old and young people alike!
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No problem at all bro.......Yes, thank u guys. Mudman sorry about the early reply I had there, I wasnt very happy with my decision I made, so I was very nervous and upset that I messed up and started the cycle too early....But all I can say is..IM very glad to have you good people help me on this board, because if it wasnt for you guys, I'd finish the 10-week cycle and god knows what will happen then...LoL the funny thing is im planning my next cycle for when im 21 LMAO. ANybody got any suggestions? lol I will stay on this board for as long as I can to spread the word about the risks of teen steroid users. If there is any teen consider using AAS, please PM me, and I will be glad to get to that person immediately. ALso, is madmax still around? I really liked his poems, and tell him to keep on doing em! cheers for old and young people alike!
.............. Yes madmax pops on here and there...... His poems are very good.
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terrible beginning, happy ending
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Bro at his age he shouldn't run any AS at all............ PERIOD! You gave bad advice and I called you on it.
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both of you will stop this foolishness
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haha ya
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I don't want to take sides but I think MudMan was justified in defending himself.
Thats just me, I'm not flaming anyone anymore. I gotta be the good guy.
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Under 25 is too young no matter how much you like to work out. Under 21 is just crazy.
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Mud, you DO NOT have to justify yourself to anyone on this board. All of us guys know your a respectful, knowledgable bro. Arguing with this guy is pointless. I for one would take your advice any day of the week. Just read his BIO. Enough said. He won't be on here long.
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Thanks bro................... I'm in a bad mood today. I know I should have let it go.
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I did it when I was 17 and Im 20 now and have had no sides. Ive done about 4 cycles since my first one. Just food for thought...
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WHY THE HELL ARE YOU GOING THAT LONG ON YOUR FIRST CYCLE!! (caps the stress how shocked i am!)
I've been using steroids for 9 years now (i started at 16 and i know the problems it caused me) and I run cycles that long, mind you much higher doses but I know exactly what im doing and have more first hand experience than almost anyone i know.
I know, you're 18 and are fairly well READ on steroids and i know you're going to do a cycle no matter what, by why this long?!
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::shakes head:: still in shock. You're joking right?
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The entire MAIN purpose of this cycle is bone growth (height growth). Bone growth is a much longer process to occur than muscle growth. 46 weeks should be sufficient to acheive some longitudinal growth.
Theres alot more complex stuff involved in the dosages and such of the cycle, for instance theres pro-proliferative and pro-apoptosis phases using the above-mentioned drugs. But I will not go into the painstaking detail of listing the phases dosages and times of use and injection times and so forth.
Is there a problem with the length?
Go hardcore or go home. Im not going to waste time and money with an 8 week cycle as that wouldnt even gain me 1 cm in height. Not to mention ive always been fascinated by long cycles, and would never in my life consider a cycle less than 24 weeks in length.
PCT will be HCG, Clomid and some clen.
Cycle purpose is the triumvirate of physique enhancement -- thats bone, muscle and fat loss all simultaneously occuring. I like to call the idea Macrogenesis, which in greek roughly would translate to something of the creation of giants.
I only have 1 fear with the entire cycle, and thats heart enlargment.
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