Feb 18, 2004--we all owe $23,333.33

[tryingtogetbig]

I don't contribute to political threads because it's pointless. I will not change your political views nor will you change mine. They're nothing but a pissing match. I'll keep my urine to myself, thanks.

Sorry for the interruption ... let the urine flow!

Yeah but since Tock likes to see himself type...it is good therapy for him.

[Tock]

Tock, your political threads crack me up. Everyone gets so pissy like you've just insulted their mother.

I've noticed that . . . which is why it's a good thing no one's mom is in politics . . .

Odd thing is that some folks mistake me for a Democrat. Yah, I was a Democrat precinct char for a while, but that just showed me how unsavory the whole election system is (at least, here in Texas).
I suppose my leanings are more Democrat than Republican (after reading the Texas Republican Party Platform, anyone in their right mind would be), but my distaste for excessive government gives me an appreciation for some of the Libertarian ideals.
I suppose all that is neither here nor there (I had a friend who used to say that all the time, dunno why), but despite being regularly accused of not being all here, at least I am somewhere.
-Tock



--Tock

[Symian]

I've noticed that . . . which is why it's a good thing no one's mom is in politics . . .

Odd thing is that some folks mistake me for a Democrat. Yah, I was a Democrat precinct char for a while, but that just showed me how unsavory the whole election system is (at least, here in Texas).
I suppose my leanings are more Democrat than Republican (after reading the Texas Republican Party Platform, anyone in their right mind would be), but my distaste for excessive government gives me an appreciation for some of the Libertarian ideals.
I suppose all that is neither here nor there (I had a friend who used to say that all the time, dunno why), but despite being regularly accused of not being all here, at least I am somewhere.
-Tock

Were you ever in the military, Tock?

[Symian]

Tock, your political threads crack me up. Everyone gets so pissy like you've just insulted their mother.

Just about . Exteme right-wingers always light a fire under me!

Sym

[50%Natural]

Just about . Exteme right-wingers always light a fire under me!

Sym

yeah, an extreme non educated left wingers humor me more than you could ever realize.

[Symian]

yeah, an extreme non educated left wingers humor me more than you could ever realize.

Oops...meant left-wing.

Sym

[jammergsxr]

I just dont get some of you guys,the deficit is what we owe ourselves,the U.S. has no reason to borrow from another country.On the flip side most countries do owe us very large debts and haven't even bothered to start to pay the interest on any of it.
If these countries would pay this would get rid of alot of our deficit.
As far as G.bush goes,Like it or not he is our President,His welcome to office was a terrorist attack and several other negatives and did what he thought was best.
Did we go to war?**** right,if we didn't attacks would have been a yearly event.
G.W. doesn't take any ****,it's about time we had a man like that in office,He's a get it done type not a lets talk this out for a few years type.If Gore was in office right now we would be neck deep in suicide bombers and the economy would be gone.
We will end up with G.W. for the next four years,I stand behind him 100%

[Tock]

1) I just dont get some of you guys,the deficit is what we owe ourselves,

2) the U.S. has no reason to borrow from another country.

3) On the flip side most countries do owe us very large debts and haven't even bothered to start to pay the interest on any of it.

4) If these countries would pay this would get rid of alot of our deficit.

5) As far as G.bush goes,Like it or not he is our President,

6) His welcome to office was a terrorist attack and several other negatives and did what he thought was best.

7) Did we go to war?**** right,if we didn't attacks would have been a yearly event.

8) G.W. doesn't take any ****,

9) it's about time we had a man like that in office,

10) He's a get it done type not a lets talk this out for a few years type.

11) If Gore was in office right now we would be neck deep in suicide bombers and the economy would be gone.

12) We will end up with G.W. for the next four years,

13) I stand behind him 100%

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1) There is a difference between a DEFICIT and a DEBT.
A deficit is what you get when your yearly income does not match your yearly budget.
A debt is what you incurr when you borrow money to pay your bills.
The US budget deficit this year will be upwards of 500 billion dollars. The US Government will have to borrow $500 million from somewhere to pay the bills. This debt will be added to the other debts incurred from the government spending more money than it has. The grand total of all this borrowing is called The National Debt. Currently it stands at a tad over $7 trillion. Your share as a citizen is $23,333. At 4% interest, the government will have to tax you an additional $944 just to service the debt. Got that much money to spend on interest? Wouldn't you much rather spend that $944 on a couple of decent cycles? Or maybe a weekend with a couple of buxom female reprobates in a romantic wooded cottage? Well, tough luck, 'cause that $944 you could have kept is going to pay interest on the debt.

Next year, I'm sure you'll be happy to know, the Bush Administration intends on borrowing even more, adding to the National Debt, and increasing that interest payment from $944 to over $1000. And it's going to get worse and worse and worse and worse, according to Bush himself, over the next 5 years. Experts outside the White House say that Bush is dreaming. It's going to get much worse and much worse and much worse and much worse and much worse, thanks to the overly optimistic financial projections he's made (telling the unpleasant truth sure wouldn't get him re-elected), and the tax cuts he's granted to the super-rich and corporations who are, if you haven't noticed, moving jobs to India and China and Mexico. But that's neither here nor there.
What is here or there is the fact that as each of Bush's budget deficits push the National Debt higher and higher, taxes go higher and higher to pay for this overspending. Your taxes, my taxes, BDTR's taxes, and your girlfriend's taxes.

AND . . . it is NOT simply what we owe ourselves.

Where do you think the government goes to borrow $7 trillion? It sure ain't your local 1st National Bank. Well, maybe a little bit, but it gets a heckuva lot from China, Europe, and the Middle East. China and the Middle East are awash in money right now, they want a safe place to keep their money, so they buy US Treasury Bonds. Lots of 'em. Trillions of $$$ worth.
Now let me put a pleasant thought in your mind . . . the European Euro is a new currency, and it's looking better and better to foreign investors as a place to buy safe bonds. If the US government pisses off these investors and they suddenly sell 1 or 2 trillion $$$ of their US Treasury bonds and put them into Euro bonds, you can expect the US economy to spiral off its axis and plunge into chaos. Desperate to borrow more money from somewhere, US interest rates skyrocket (like what happened in the Carter Administration). I'm amazed that Bush's unilateralism hasn't prompted them to do this already; they must know how much crap they'll put up with before taking this drastic action. But it's certainly something they're thinking about.

Clinton had to slash the budget to eliminate the National Debt, and it was well on its way to being eliminated. During the Bush Administration, spending went up, taxes went down, the Debt went up, borrowing from the Middle East and China went up, and now those foreigners have more control over the US economy. Next year they'll have even more, and even more after that.
Unless, of course, they move their US Bonds into Euro Bonds and give the US a good thrashing in the process.


2) Yes it does.

3) What countries? There are several countries indebted to the World Bank, which makes major loans to foreign governments. The US spends around $44 billion in foreign aid (your share was $144), most of it going to the madmen in the middle east. That is a gift (actually, a bribe to make them do what we want them to do) and it ain't coming back.

4) Guess again.

5) I don't like it. But that's neither here nor there.

6) I thought his inaugural festivities were pretty good. Lots of parties and etc. Of course, I wasn't there personally . . . did you get some bad sushi?
If you're speaking about the 9/11 tragedy, ya, he did pretty well. It's everything after that where he screwed up.

7) And now that the US has messed things up in Iraq, they're ready for civil war, and Al Queda (sp?) is re-energized, what makes you think there won't be more attacks? I'd be surprised if there weren't any.

8) He bristles when reporters ask him tough questions, then keeps them out of his press briefings. Ya, takes no xxxx, but isn't smart (or honest) enough to tell things the way they are.

9) I disagree. We need presidents who can work with other countries to get things done, not alienate them and piss 'em off. We need presidents who work to strengthen environmental protection, not let corporations increase pollution levels (as he's done here in Texas). We need presidents who use War as a last resort. Not as a way to avenge what Saddam Hussain did to his father, costing over 500 American lives.

10) I better not respond to this one . . .

11) Well, Bush is in office and the US is under constant threat from terrorists, and the economy is in sad shape. I think anyone with two functioning brain cells would have done better.

12) I think you are correct.

13) With your grasp of the issues, I am not surprised.

[Symian]

I disagree. We need presidents who can work with other countries to get things done, not alienate them and piss 'em off. We need presidents who work to strengthen environmental protection, not let corporations increase pollution levels (as he's done here in Texas). We need presidents who use War as a last resort. Not as a way to avenge what Saddam Hussain did to his father, costing over 500 American lives.

I'm sorry but I resent the fact that you think my brothers in the military died so "Bush could avenge what Saddam Hussain did to his father". First of all, what did Saddam do to him? In the first war Bush kicked Saddam's ass!

I don't presume to know everything about everything, because there's a lot behind doors that we never know about. I'm happy that Bush didn't wait for some lagging countries to back us. If he had it would've ended up in a bunch of democratic rhetoric crap. Especially when the lagging counties, Germany, France and Russia, had secret lucrative deals with Iraq. But they sure do want the contracts now, don't they?

You still haven't answered my question. Were you ever in the military?

Sym

[Tock]

1) I'm sorry but I resent the fact that you think my brothers in the military died so "Bush could avenge what Saddam Hussain did to his father". First of all, what did Saddam do to him? In the first war Bush kicked Saddam's ass!

2) I don't presume to know everything about everything, because there's a lot behind doors that we never know about. I'm happy that Bush didn't wait for some lagging countries to back us. If he had it would've ended up in a bunch of democratic rhetoric crap. Especially when the lagging counties, Germany, France and Russia, had secret lucrative deals with Iraq. But they sure do want the contracts now, don't they?

3) You still haven't answered my question. Were you ever in the military?

Sym

1) No need to be sorry. Your opinion is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. That being said, Bush went to war with insufficient reason. Yes, Hussain was (and is) a monster that the world is better off without, but there are other countries similarly afflicted, and no one bothers with them. Personally, just because people in a country put up with an abusive dictator isn't enough reason for US troops to go to war. America isn't the world's policeman.
And yes, it absolutely sucks when US troops die in stuff like this. Had Bush exercised a bit more patience and waited another 30 days for the weapons inspectors to finish their job, France would have (according to its own statement) changed its vote in the United Nations to go to war against Iraq, and Bush wouldn't have had to fight this thing alone, but with lots of UN troops. Bush arrogantly said he wasn't going to wait, then set things in action, and Iraq is in the mess it's in today because of it. Stupid foreign policy. Too xxxx unilateral.

2) whatever . . .

3) I seem to get in trouble when I answer this question, but I will anyway, risking someone's ire (I forget who usually complains) about "always bringing up the GAY issue. But here goes.
Yes, I was in the USAF for 1 year, 10 months, and 5 glorious days. When I enlisted, I didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground (which explains teh problems I had playing golf), and had no idea what "gay" was. After a few months being around lots of other guys, it dawned on me that I am. To make a long story short, the military (back then, anyway) **** on ya if they found out you were gay, so I went to a lawyer and he advised me to volunteer the info. So I did, and they kicked me out. Yep, kicked me out for absolutely no other reason than that I am gay.
What really pisses me off about that is, I used to be a military policeman in the K9 unit. Trained dogs. Police AND sniffer dogs. I had been selected for some experimental small dog project, and they gave me a little Cairn Terrier to train for drugs. And he was great. He could find stuff hidden at the top of flag poles. Anyway, after they kicked me out, they couldn't find anyone to work with the little dog, so instead of tracking me down to see if I wanted him, or giving him to Customs, they killed him. Yep, killed my **** dog just because I am gay.
You have no idea how much that pisses me off. The military is full of gd idiots.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes I was in the military, I liked it a lot, seemed well suited for it, and would have liked to have made a career out of it. But I f'in couldn't.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr . . .

--Tock

[Symian]

1)Personally, just because people in a country put up with an abusive dictator isn't enough reason for US troops to go to war. America isn't the world's policeman.

2)Had Bush exercised a bit more patience and waited another 30 days for the weapons inspectors to finish their job, France would have (according to its own statement) changed its vote in the United Nations to go to war against Iraq.

3)Anyway, to answer your question, yes I was in the military, I liked it a lot, seemed well suited for it, and would have liked to have made a career out of it. But I f'in couldn't.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr . . .

--Tock

1)Even though I would love to agree with you on this one I can't. I wish we could close our borders and let the world fend for itself, but we can't. Even when we do we always end up getting pulled into it somehow whether its the Korean War, Vietnam, Kosovo, Gulf War I, Somalia, I could go on.

2)Yeah, right! Hindsight is always 20/20.

3)No offense, but this explains your liberal views.

Sym

[markas214]

I'm sorry but I resent the fact that you think my brothers in the military died so "Bush could avenge what Saddam Hussain did to his father". First of all, what did Saddam do to him? In the first war Bush kicked Saddam's ass!

I don't presume to know everything about everything, because there's a lot behind doors that we never know about. I'm happy that Bush didn't wait for some lagging countries to back us. If he had it would've ended up in a bunch of democratic rhetoric crap. Especially when the lagging counties, Germany, France and Russia, had secret lucrative deals with Iraq. But they sure do want the contracts now, don't they?

You still haven't answered my question. Were you ever in the military?

Sym

My nephew just came back from 10 months in Mosul (82nd Airborne), He calls it a war for GWs dad and said "nobody likes him" refering to the way his fellow soldiers view Bush. I will guarentee you none of his "brothers" wanted to die for GWs daddy's vendeta against Saddam. Now he and his comrades were good men and soldiers so they went but not in the spirit of those who volunteerd after Pearl Harbor.

[Symian]

My nephew just came back from 10 months in Mosul (82nd Airborne), He calls it a war for GWs dad and said "nobody likes him" refering to the way his fellow soldiers view Bush. I will guarentee you none of his "brothers" wanted to die for GWs daddy's vendeta against Saddam. Now he and his comrades were good men and soldiers so they went but not in the spirit of those who volunteerd after Pearl Harbor.

As I can't speak for your nephew or his buddies, I can speak for my friends that are still there or are home finally. It's a harsh region to be in, unlike Europe or the States where there's relief from the heat, and moral and determination can go to sh*t. And I don't see why people keep on saying GW is there to avenge his father or complete some vendeta . Those remarks have no backing what so ever. The first Gulf War was to liberate Kuwait, and the second has nothing to do with the first. So what are you talking about?

Sym

[bermich]

Very true about the deficit JAMM. Many countries owe us so much money and we dont even worry about it. KNOW WHY. ITS CALLED FOREIGN RELATIONS. They owe us and when we ACTUALLY NEED something they have, we just pull out the IOU from our pocket.
People dont realize this and just go off of what their favorite radio news guy tells them. They get 40 percent of the picture and think it is the whole **** photo album.

Id say a bunch of kids are arguing the case but Tock is like 40 or 50 and so are most of the others.

[50%Natural]

Hurry tock, I'm waiting for some sort of rebutal

[bermich]

Clinton got it down to 2 trillion??? NEVER. And it would not happen in 8 years time. There is NO WAY. Where do you get this info from and why do you believe it? Because you want to or because you actually think it is true?

2 Trillion dollars from 5 trillion in only 7 years?? How did he do such a thing??? There is aboslutely NO WAY.

[Tock]

1) Clinton got it down to 2 trillion??? NEVER. And it would not happen in 8 years time. There is NO WAY. Where do you get this info from and why do you believe it? Because you want to or because you actually think it is true?

2 Trillion dollars from 5 trillion in only 7 years?? How did he do such a thing??? There is aboslutely NO WAY.

Ok, I double checked, and you're right, it was in the 5 Trillion range. Now it's 7 and growing. Nevertheless, we're still in deep doo-doo, and what's coming next won't be pretty . . .
Also found out that 39% ($2.7 Trillion) of the debt is owned by foreigners. Costs each American upwards of $4000 a year just to service the debt, much less pay it off.

Interesting site with all sorts of info on this topic at: http://brillig.com/debt_clock/
--Tock

[50%Natural]

Bermich, couldn't have summed up my feelings any better. Why is everything all a sudden? It is so stupid to think that the "mistakes or wrong doings" of this adminstration are the sole faults of GWB himself. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!

[bermich]

In reply to #1. Clinton was not even close to eliminating the debt. I keep reading that and it is all bull****.
In reply to #3 You say we pay so many billion in foreign aid. Well I thought we were supposed to have a president help with foreign relations. Thats what you typed in #9. Apparently when we help with that, you seem to over look it and then in #9 you complain that we dont help with foreign relations. See you answer yes to one question and then no later on only because it is worded differently to show a differnt view.
Its like you are showing us a rubbiks cube. You get all the red side done and show us what a great job you did. But the other sides arent done. Someone asks about the blue side and you say, oh wait. You rearrange the pieces until the blue side is done. But then the red side is all messed up but that doesnt matter cause you only need to show the blue side now. Its called back pedaling or thinking people you talk to have a short term memory and only remember the last statement you try to convey.

Back to #3. Bribes to pay off middle east mad men. What men are these?? The same men we pay to get information from to keep us informed on issues??

Reply to #6. Screwing up everything after. That is ALL opinion perceived by whomever views it the way they feel just.

Reply to #7. A civil war? Who is fighting whom? Or is this more news hear say.
The alqueda is "REENERGIZED" Who the hell asked them that? How do we know they are reenergized? For argument sake, say they are. Dont you feel safer knowing we are mobilized in IRAQ right next to their door step? Or are you one of those people who feel we should leave them alone and they will leave us alone.
You are one of those people who feels we MADE THEM attack us. We provoked them. I wont even get into that one cause I think that is in another thread where I felt like ripping your head off for typing such a thing.

Still on #7. Know how big our country is. It seems real easy to plant bombs everywhere but with our CIA and FBI, we prevent most of it and it isnt even reported in the newspapers to keep panic down. Because you dont hear about all the preventions you dont feel have been numerous attempts to attack us. That is called NARROW MINDED. You only rely on what you hear from the media to base decisions. You cant put things together on your own.

#8 Yeah he does suck when it comes to news briefings and speaking to the public. He does seem like an idiot. He cant answer questions on the spot and makes an ass of himself almost everytime we see him.

#9 The patriot act is a push over the top with the constitution. The fresh forest thing or whatever he calls it is a push over the top allowing the major lumber companies free reign in the forests. Im not happy about either of those. He has been pushing his **** kinda far lately. What countries alienated us? France and Russia? BFD. The UN is a bunch of buero trash that amounted to nothing anyway unless their was an earthquake in some country.
Um. I thought the US was in IRAQ for the oil. Not to avenge Saddam Hussain.


#11. The US is under constant threat from terrorists??? Well no S H I T. What do you propose we do about it?? Should we let Clinton laugh it off and hope they dont do it again. If we are under constant attack, where is the attack at in the US?? I dont see any attacks. That must mean BUSH is doing a good job. If he isnt doing a good job of protecting us, then that would mean the terrorists would be attacking us right now since they are RE ENEGIZED. Once again you play the rubbiks cube game. As long as your side is complete you dont need to show that you messed up the other side you once showed.

The economy is in better shape than when Clinton was in office. In CA 60 percent of small businesss filed bankruptcy. Of course, by the time the BKs were complete, Bush took office and that is where you get your crappy stats from.
The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY thing that SAVED So Calif from a mini depression was the earthquake. Ask ANYONE. Without the earthquake in 94, half the business's in CA today would not be here. LITERALLY HALF.


Sure BUSH sucks. Sure he is bullheaded and stubborn to a point of his major flaw in life just like his dad. If there was a good democrat to vote for, I just might vote for one. But there isnt. So I will vote for the least suckiest. That being Bush.

[Tock]

Sure BUSH sucks. Sure he is bullheaded and stubborn to a point of his major flaw in life just like his dad. If there was a good democrat to vote for, I just might vote for one. But there isnt. So I will vote for the least suckiest. That being Bush.

Fine. Go ahead and vote for Bush. You can pee in your pants for all I care. Just don't kill my gd dog . . .
It's late and I'm going to bed . .
-Tock

[bermich]

Fine. Go ahead and vote for Bush. You can pee in your pants for all I care. Just don't kill my gd dog . . .
It's late and I'm going to bed . .
-Tock

Howd you know I was planning to kill your dog??

[hoss827]

I say Bermich should run for president...

As said earlier in the threads...this always turns into a GWB and/or Iraq discussion...look what happend!

[bermich]

We already tried to close our borders and let the world fend for itself. It was called the beginning of WWII. We tried to stay out of that, but we still got sucked in.

[jammergsxr]

If Tock knew 25% of what he thought he knew,it would almost be worth breaking it down but I dont have the time nor the desire to explain it to such a confused young man.

[Tock]

If Tock knew 25% of what he thought he knew,it would almost be worth breaking it down but I dont have the time nor the desire to explain it to such a confused young man.

That's as unspecific and all-encompassing a criticism as I've ever seen.
And, I daresay, unfounded as well.

[jammergsxr]

That's as unspecific and all-encompassing a criticism as I've ever seen.
And, I daresay, unfounded as well.

I'll break it down for ya,Many of your previous statements and facts are untrue with no proof to back them.You post so called facts that are 75% B.S. or you surround them with large words to try and create an illusion of someone who knows his ****.So you are a great political speaker and I see a future in it for ya.If you cant dazzle them with brilliance,Baffle them with bull****!

[Tock]

1) I'll break it down for ya,
2) Many of your previous statements and facts are untrue with no proof to back them.
3) You post so called facts that are 75% B.S.
4) or you surround them with large words to try and create an illusion of someone who knows his ****.
5) So you are a great political speaker and I see a future in it for ya.
6) If you cant dazzle them with brilliance,Baffle them with bull****!

1) Please do.
2) Please be more specifiic. I've posted numerous statements and facts. You say many are untrue. Which ones?
3) Again, which ones are 75% BS?
4) I assume that when you use the word "or," you mean that the facts that are not 75% BS are indeed true, and that I further dress them up with polysylabic vocubulary in a failing attempt to position myself as "someone who knows his ****." If I understand you correctly, you are saying that I use 100% correct facts and mere words to make myself appear intelligent. I suppose you are correct.
5) I am as acquainted with the arts of public speaking as you appear to be with the written english language. I fear my future as a politician is as dark as yours is as a novelist. I understand, though, that the grammatical requirements for written pornography is not as ridgid as as that for other literature.
6) Do you feel that you have been either dazzled or baffled by my posts? If so, rest assurred that that was not my intent.
When I post, I do so primarily to amuse and entertain myself. It's nice when I can educate as well, but there are folks on this board whose technical knowledge on AS is second to none (and I will be forever grateful to them for their willingness to share what they know). There are a few topics of which I have no small expertise, and when the occasion merits my attention, I flatter myself by sharing a bit of what I know.
Some folks wish the Universe would fit their preconceived notions of how it should be, and I am sure that I occasionally startle and offend them by showing them that Things Are Not What They Thought They Were. If they are encouraged to further investigation of the facts in question from all sides of the issue, I couldn't be happier. When instead they merely react with anger at having been disturbed from their fantasy, I assume they would benefit from several bitch-slaps to stimulate their intellectual powers.
I fear this may be your case, so I fear I have no other option than to
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There. In a few minutes you should be much better. If not, re-read this post.

Best wishes,
--Tock

[Gaylord Focker]

I assume they would benefit from several bitch-slaps to stimulate their intellectual powers.
I fear this may be your case, so I fear I have no other option than to
* s l a p * * * s l a p * * * s l a p *
There. In a few minutes you should be much better. If not, re-read this post.

Best wishes,
--Tock

[jammergsxr]

5) I am as acquainted with the arts of public speaking as you appear to be with the written english language. I fear my future as a politician is as dark as yours is as a novelist. I understand, though, that the grammatical requirements for written pornography is not as ridgid as as that for other literature.

6)* s l a p * * * s l a p * * * s l a p *
There. In a few minutes you should be much better. If not, re-read this post.

Best wishes,
--Tock[/QUOTE]

5)Novelist? No,Published songwriter but you were close.
Why such a dark shadow over a political career?You show passion for it.
6)When you wake up feel free to apologize.

[bermich]

In reply to Markus about Bush. I cant tell whether you are helping Bush with the statements about his military spending or if you are bashing on him. You say he did not up the spending then you go around and say that is a bad thing. Then you say Clinton upped it and Bush upped it a little more and that was also a bad thing.
Then you say that Bush didnt up military spending before 911. Is that a complaint or are you trying to help him??? You are trying to trick us into thinking you are on both sides you clever bastard. Im onto you.

About 911. You say he didnt up the military until then. So. And good for him. If he upped it before then, the demos would have complained about it. And he wasnt even in office for 2 years yet. Give the guy a break. He cant increase everything in 2 years. Give him time.

[mfenske]

Thought I'd add a funny Bush joke I saw on Letterman the other night. Something to the effect of " There is talk that President Bush had a nose job" then Dave said "Well, he finally created a job while in office". Too funny. Mark

[markas214]

In reply to Markus about Bush. I cant tell whether you are helping Bush with the statements about his military spending or if you are bashing on him. You say he did not up the spending then you go around and say that is a bad thing. Then you say Clinton upped it and Bush upped it a little more and that was also a bad thing.
Then you say that Bush didnt up military spending before 911. Is that a complaint or are you trying to help him??? You are trying to trick us into thinking you are on both sides you clever bastard. Im onto you.

About 911. You say he didnt up the military until then. So. And good for him. If he upped it before then, the demos would have complained about it. And he wasnt even in office for 2 years yet. Give the guy a break. He cant increase everything in 2 years. Give him time.

Give him time? He only has 10 months left. Then back to raising tumble weeds on his Texas ranch. Oh, I'm sorry you don't understand. Try reading it a few times. The points I was making in my post were, Clinton's spending was on par with Bush and Clinton didn't put my kids deeper in debt doing it. Bush is a puppet of the financial interests who put him in office. Don't forget a majority of Americans voted for Gore. The Supreme Court made sure the electoral votes went GWs way. People are still angry over this. Bush will not be reelected!

[50%Natural]

Give him time? He only has 10 months left. Then back to raising tumble weeds on his Texas ranch. Oh, I'm sorry you don't understand. Try reading it a few times. The points I was making in my post were, Clinton's spending was on par with Bush and Clinton didn't put my kids deeper in debt doing it. Bush is a puppet of the financial interests who put him in office. Don't forget a majority of Americans voted for Gore. The Supreme Court made sure the electoral votes went GWs way. People are still angry over this. Bush will not be reelected!

Who still talks about the electoral votes anymore? I haven't honestly heard anything about that in a long while...I'm curious?

[Gaylord Focker]

Who still talks about the electoral votes anymore? I haven't honestly heard anything about that in a long while...I'm curious?

Two days ago at the buffet I was eating at a girl was actually bitching about the electoral system and the election...honest to god I am not making this up..so people do still talk about it...


I like football...but not Bush...mainly because he is so full of ****...and I think he lies...not that all presidents don't...but I think he does so more than others...the horse**** Bush tries to hash is unreal...I might like him if he were a stand up guy and just tell the truth or come out and say aight I fuked I'm sorry...not that hard just show some character...

[lloyd_cannon]

I'd just like to say tock got embarrased on this thread. Every narrow minded ill based lie was vanquished. Besides, he said football was pointless I don't think he is American or a man to say the least.

[Carlos_E]

Besides, he said football was pointless I don't think he is American or a man to say the least.

Football sucks ass!

That is my contribution to this thread.

[50%Natural]

Football sucks ass!

That is my contribution to this thread.

Nice Los

[Tock]

1) I'd just like to say tock got embarrased on this thread.
2) Every narrow minded ill based lie was vanquished.
3) Besides, he said football was pointless
4) I don't think he is American
5) or a man to say the least.

Finally, an easy post to reply to . . .
1) I did?
2) What "narrow minded ill based lie?"
3) Football is pointless. IMHO, it's silly to go through all that trouble just to carry a brown turd-shaped ball a few yards. It's the slowest game on earth (slower than snail racing) and as entertaining as watching bowling on TV. Of course, you're always welcome to your own opinion.
4) Yep, I am.
5) I have 9" of proud, upstanding manhood to satisfy not only your curiousity but your need. I hate to tell ya, though, that I'm more man than you'll ever be, and more woman than you'll ever get.

Read and weep.
--Tock

[Carlos_E]

I hate to tell ya, though, that I'm more man than you'll ever be, and more woman than you'll ever get.

[bermich]

Yeah. My gf is a democrat and talks about the electeral votes and how Bush stole the election. She isnt up on the war in Iraq either. Oh well I guess.