"Same sex marriage" What is your opinion?

[Mart651]

You just put up some senarios that hit close to home.
Yes we should kill the parents that beat there spouse in front of their children. Lord knows I would have turned out a little calmer if someone would have done me that favor when i was a kid.

That was the most ridiculas scenario I have ever herd in regards to same sex marriage. How about men that beat women and have children?

I suppose we must kill them to because their children are subjected to violence and they come over to play with your kids also and beat up your kid for no reason. Why not go over and kill them to?

How about parents that do drugs in front of their children? I suppose we just go kill those parents also and not allow them to marry since their children like to come over to other peoples house and subject other poples kids to doing drugs.

[Tock]

1) Gay marraige means they will be able to adopt kids and raise them as they see fit.

2) Here is my problem with men adopting boys. I have a son who is 2. When he gets older I assume that he will be curious as all kids are. If the next door neighbors kid is father by gays, he more than likely will be curious about men. Now my son goes to play in the field and the little neighbor boy comes over asking to play doctor or show me and I will show you. This is usualy between boys and girls but because thats all the little neighbor boy has ever seen, my son has now been subjected to homosexuality.

3) Needless to say I go kill the parents.

1) This is already happening. They have to go through the same rigorous examination proceedure before they get to adopt, though. Psychological tests, background checks, etc. It ain't easy, from what I've heard.

2) I think your fears are a bit overblown . . . I understand it's not uncommon for boys to do "circle-jerks" (I never heard of 'em until I was 20-something; too late for me), and it doesn't affect sexual orientation at all.
Pretty much, if you're kid isn't straight by now, it's already too late.

3) Wow . . . time to enroll in anger management class . . .
--Tock

[Beat]

Gay marraige means they will be able to adopt kids and raise them as they see fit.
Here is my problem with men adopting boys. I have a son who is 2. When he gets older I assume that he will be curious as all kids are. If the next door neighbors kid is father by gays, he more than likely will be curious about men. Now my son goes to play in the field and the little neighbor boy comes over asking to play doctor or show me and I will show you. This is usualy between boys and girls but because thats all the little neighbor boy has ever seen, my son has now been subjected to homosexuality. Needless to say I go kill the parents.

word, i agree.. for those who say: "as long as faggs dont affect me directly, its alright".. sooner or later it will affect you directly like in mart651s example.. as gay relationships get more and more accepted the society in whole becomes gay accepting, before you know it your son is gay because "its normal" wtf

[Mart651]

Are you gay? no
Do you have kids? no
Then you have no dog in this race.

Hate to break it to you, but it doesn't work that way. Yes, there will be a few "psychos" out there who might attempt to force their child to behave homosexually, but that doesn't mean all gay parents will do so. Being gay isn't like a religion, where people push it on you. So are you saying that if a mentally retarded person or amputee adopts a child, that they're gonna turn the kid into a retard or an amputee? That's just silly. People are so quick to blame others for their bad parenting. Kids follow the example that is exposed to them the greatest, which means, if you have a wife or girlfriend, and your son is with you the most, he's gonna likely follow in your shoes. But then again, if he was born gay, you couldn't change it anyways, though I bet you'd be quick to blame it on someone else. What if your son turned out to be gay? Would you hate him for that? Hate him for wanting something you don't? My family is Catholic, but even though I was raised one, I couldn't allow myself to practice that religion anymore. It was partially because it didn't make logical sense to me, and partially because my dad would take me home and beat my ass everytime I talked in church. My parents don't hate me because I choose not to follow their religion. I'm an independent human being, and I can live my life how I choose. Welcome to America.

By the way, kids will be kids. That "doctor" crap your talking about won't make your kid "gay". Jesus Christ! Would it make you feel any better to know that I had that happen to me as a kid, and also once when I was 5, I was held down by three 13 year olds and sexually abused? (I wasn't raped, they just pulled down my pants and hit & slapped me "there", following with laughing and ridicule). I can tell you, despite those "childhood experiences" , I'm VERY STRAIGHT, and I LOVE WOMEN! (just ask my g/f... )

So is it any worse for a gay person to raise their child gay than it is for a racist family to teach their child to be a bigot? If a family is Jewish, and their child is exposed repeatedly to a child who is Lutheran, will this turn the Jewish child into a "Lutheran"? NO. Stop worry about how other people might affect your children and start concerning yourself with how YOU are affecting your children...

[Gaylord Focker]

Are you gay? no
Do you have kids? no
Then you have no dog in this race.

Does he live in America? Yes
Might he have kids yes?

As a citizen his right to debate this issue is just as valid as yours...no matter what the reasons be...

[Mart651]

I respect your oppinion because it is your own.
His is not. His has been taught. No more than I will listen to Democratic BS speeches I will not listen to taught oppinions.

Just because he agrees with you does not mean you need to run to his protection.

Does he live in America? Yes
Might he have kids yes?

As a citizen his right to debate this issue is just as valid as yours...no matter what the reasons be...

[Mart651]

****. you are trying to seem smart nbut you keep ****ing it up by calling me names and bringing my mother into it.
This is how I know you are a young kid. 9 years can make a world of difference in maturity and you are proving it.

Look! The wise man speaks again! Oh, that's right, you're older than me, so you know better. Get off your high horse, old man. Ha, you're only 9 years older than me anyways. But I guess that makes you more intelligent and more knowledgeable than me, since you know exactly how I was brought up and all of my life experiences. Again, how about you address my posts instead of just saying I don't know what I'm talking about? Oh, that's because YOU don't know what you're talking about and you have no evidence to support your argument!! My opinion has been taught? By whom? Your mother? How the hell would you know? So because my opinion is different from yours, that makes my opinions "taught"? Actually, I'm a very skeptical person, and if I have a question about something I research it MYSELF, I look at both sides of the argument, logically deduce it in my head, and whichever one makes more sense (something an intelligent person would do), I choose to believe in. So until you can formulate a somewhat reasonable argument to my posts, just keep your mouth shut, pal...

[tryingtogetbig]

Look! The wise man speaks again! Oh, that's right, you're older than me, so you know better. Get off your high horse, old man. Ha, you're only 9 years older than me anyways. But I guess that makes you more intelligent and more knowledgeable than me, since you know exactly how I was brought up and all of my life experiences. Again, how about you address my posts instead of just saying I don't know what I'm talking about? Oh, that's because YOU don't know what you're talking about and you have no evidence to support your argument!! My opinion has been taught? By whom? Your mother? How the hell would you know? So because my opinion is different from yours, that makes my opinions "taught"? Actually, I'm a very skeptical person, and if I have a question about something I research it MYSELF, I look at both sides of the argument, logically deduce it in my head, and whichever one makes more sense (something an intelligent person would do), I choose to believe in. So until you can formulate a somewhat reasonable argument to my posts, just keep your mouth shut, pal...

Refer to post 118...also, you seem eager to plead your case...look at my long post I just bumped and disect that...leave the bickering behind.

peace,

ttgb

[tryingtogetbig]

Excuse me, but how many people on this board do we have that can't have an intelligent debate? First of all, you're right. I'm not gay. Are you? That means you can piss up a rope and suck on the wet end for all I care. If I have no say because I'm not gay, then you have no say. 'Nuff said. Did I ever say I didn't have kids? Nope. You assumed that. Just because I didn't say it, doesn't mean I do or don't. That shows ignorance, my friend. You happen to get lucky, as I don't have children yet, but I will, probably within the next 5-6 years. And if my child happens to be gay, I'll support that. I'm not some homophobic gay-basher like yourself. I'll be slightly disappointed because I'd like my bloodline to be passed on, but it's out of my control. I'll have other children who likely will be heterosexual that I can rely on this for. Nevertheless, I will love my son or daughter for who they are. If my kids don't make it to college, that's fine. They're not less of a person for this. If they choose to change their religion or hate bodybuilding, I won't shun them. I have my life to live, and they have their own as well. All I care for is my childrens' happiness. Nothing else matters. RESPECT YOUR CHILDREN FOR WHO THEY ARE, NOT HOW THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE THEIR LIFE.

calm down bro....and hit the 'return' button every now and then...you are hurting my eyeballs.

peace,

ttgb

[Mart651]

Hey bro. It does not take much to read people on here. So it was not a lucky guess, it was an educated one.

Now for me being a gay basher you may want to read all my post.
As for me not loving my kids if they are gay. Once again you need to go back and read my post.

Excuse me, but how many people on this board do we have that can't have an intelligent debate? First of all, you're right. I'm not gay. Are you? That means you can piss up a rope and suck on the wet end for all I care. If I have no say because I'm not gay, then you have no say. 'Nuff said. Did I ever say I didn't have kids? Nope. You assumed that. Just because I didn't say it, doesn't mean I do or don't. That shows ignorance, my friend. You happen to get lucky, as I don't have children yet, but I will, probably within the next 5-6 years. And if my child happens to be gay, I'll support that. I'm not some homophobic gay-basher like yourself. I'll be slightly disappointed because I'd like my bloodline to be passed on, but it's out of my control. I'll have other children who likely will be heterosexual that I can rely on this for. Nevertheless, I will love my son or daughter for who they are. If my kids don't make it to college, that's fine. They're not less of a person for this. If they choose to change their religion or hate bodybuilding, I won't shun them. I have my life to live, and they have their own as well. All I care for is my childrens' happiness. Nothing else matters. RESPECT YOUR CHILDREN FOR WHO THEY ARE, NOT HOW THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE THEIR LIFE.

[Mart651]

Don't quote me wrong I said shoot the parents.
If anyone misses with mykids its death not ass whipping.
If someones kid misses it with my child as the law says the parents are responsible.

Then why do you ahve so much hositility towards gays? I would think "I'd have to kick their parents asses" is pretty self-explanatory...

[cb25]

I think Tock and Mud hit it well for me.

Government regulation should deem all (whether homo or hetero) as civil unions, and churches can use the term "marriage." If your religion doesn't believe in homosexuality, then you don't have to marry them. If you support it, then you can do that...

either way, they shouldn't be denied those basic rights of unions...

[TheMudMan]

I know a lot of heterosexual couples that shouldn't be parents......... Because your gay doesn't mean you are a petaphile (sp) or would be a bad role model for a child. There are too many children that have to live in foster homes or live in dysfunctional homes. There are tons of gay couples that would make great parents and role models for these kids.

[Mart651]

Great Mud. Let your kids play with them then. Because mine will not.

I know a lot of heterosexual couples that shouldn't be parents......... Because your gay doesn't mean you are a petaphile (sp) or would be a bad role model for a child. There are too many children that have to live in foster homes or live in dysfunctional homes. There are tons of gay couples that would make great parents and role models for these kids.

[TheMudMan]

Great Mud. Let your kids play with them then. Because mine will not.

I think you're missing the point that I was making...... I would never send my kids off to play with any adult no matter what there sexual preference are. I feel kids should play with kids. Point I was trying to make is not all gay couples are out to hurt children and not heterosexual couples make great parents.

[Mart651]

I meant playing with the kids not the adults.
I agree with the fact that not all hetro parents are worth a **** either.
I don't think the gay couples are out to hurt the kids. I believe they realy will love them and treat them fine. My point was the son is more likely to try stuff with boys if he sees men together and not man and women.

I think you're missing the point that I was making...... I would never send my kids off to play with any adult no matter what there sexual preference are. I feel kids should play with kids. Point I was trying to make is not all gay couples are out to hurt children and not heterosexual couples make great parents.

[TheMudMan]

I meant playing with the kids not the adults.
I agree with the fact that not all hetro parents are worth a **** either.
I don't think the gay couples are out to hurt the kids. I believe they realy will love them and treat them fine. My point was the son is more likely to try stuff with boys if he sees men together and not man and women.

I don't think just because a boy being brought up in a home with 2 men being the parents would make the boy become gay.

I watched every episode of OZ and I have yet had the urge to have sex or even want to kiss a man

[abstrack]

"Hey!, here comes little Johnny to play and he has his peace pipe with him." "i hope he didnt bring his glass pipe and bag of fun rocks this time."

[palme]

I dont really care if gay/lesbians get married, marrige isnt a big deal for me anyway, its nothing i will ever do. Homosexualls adopting kids on the other hand is wrong!! Even if they are fit parents the kids life will be ****ed up growing up, it will get bullied every single day.
But just cause it grows up with two gay parents dosent mean it will turn gay mart, you are totally wrong there.

[Mart651]

Not a %100 of the time but they have a lot better chance than other kids.
I have had this conversation with a gay couple at a party about a month ago and both of them agreed with me about the adopting thing.Now they both bashed me pretty hard about the marriage and that was ok. These two guys are from Cali and have been together for 18 yrs. I respected them and held nothing against them. So no guys I don't hate gay people. I just want my child to be hetro.

I dont really care if gay/lesbians get married, marrige isnt a big deal for me anyway, its nothing i will ever do. Homosexualls adopting kids on the other hand is wrong!! Even if they are fit parents the kids life will be ****ed up growing up, it will get bullied every single day.
But just cause it grows up with two gay parents dosent mean it will turn gay mart, you are totally wrong there.

[Gaylord Focker]

I just want my child to be hetro.

I don't think you get to pick your childs sexual preference...I believe more and more studies show it to be a biological thing...having said that I don't care if gays get married or not...I do however believe gay marriages should be child free...based simply on the fact of the ridicule the child will face growing up...kids are mean to one another...why stack the cards against them anymore then neccesary...two gay people may be the most caring parents the world...but the child is what I am concerned with...and how society will view and judge them...because they will be judged...

[TheMudMan]

I don't think you get to pick your childs sexual preference...I believe more and more studies show it to be a biological thing...having said that I don't care if gays get married or not...I do however believe gay marriages should be child free...based simply on the fact of the ridicule the child will face growing up...kids are mean to one another...why stack the cards against them anymore then neccesary...two gay people may be the most caring parents the world...but the child is what I am concerned with...and how society will view and judge them...because they will be judged...

I agree kids are mean but I don't think it makes a difference who the parents are........ Kids will always find something to pick on......... comming from a poor family, being fat, ugly, mixed raced marriage couples, the list could go on....... It's the parents job to make their children understand not everyone is the same but all should be given the same respect they would want. JMO

[Carlos_E]

I don't think you get to pick your childs sexual preference...I believe more and more studies show it to be a biological thing...having said that I don't care if gays get married or not...I do however believe gay marriages should be child free...based simply on the fact of the ridicule the child will face growing up...kids are mean to one another...why stack the cards against them anymore then neccesary...two gay people may be the most caring parents the world...but the child is what I am concerned with...and how society will view and judge them...because they will be judged...

All kids that are different get teased. Based on your logic minorities or over weight or ugly parents or anyone who's different shouldn't have kids because of the way society will view and judge them. They have more cards stacked against them.

[Mart651]

All kids that are different get teased. Based on your logic minorities or over weight or ugly parents or anyone who's different shouldn't have kids because of the way society will view and judge them. They have more cards stacked against them.

Even the fat and ugly kids will pick on them.

[spywizard]

You and Tock.........

So being Pedophiles is not a choice, but a chemical predetermined behavoir??? Just like being Gay???

that is the what you are saying.???

I can never understand how you hipacrites can say "I'm gay... i don't have a choice... "

but you refuse to support someone else's choice... ......

and yes........ same sex relations is a choice.........

I don't think you get to pick your childs sexual preference...I believe more and more studies show it to be a biological thing...having said that I don't care if gays get married or not...I do however believe gay marriages should be child free...based simply on the fact of the ridicule the child will face growing up...kids are mean to one another...why stack the cards against them anymore then neccesary...two gay people may be the most caring parents the world...but the child is what I am concerned with...and how society will view and judge them...because they will be judged...

[Tock]

1) So being Pedophiles is not a choice, but a chemical predetermined behavoir??? Just like being Gay???
that is the what you are saying.???



2) I can never understand how you hipacrites can say "I'm gay... i don't have a choice... "

3) but you refuse to support someone else's choice... ......

4) and yes........ same sex relations is a choice.........

1) IMHO, that's probably part of the reason why some folks (the lucky ones) are gay. I'm gonna guess here and say it's probably a combination of genetics and environment. Experts who have studied this for years and years don't agree, and admit they don't really know, either.
All I can say is that I grew up in a house with 2 brothers and 2 sisters, we all had the same parents and same living conditions, and only one of us is gay.

2) Let me put it this way . . . ya, I could choose to marry a woman, but our sex life would suck, so to speak. I'd always know I wanted a man, so why should I marry a woman? Sure wouldn't be doing her any favors . . .

3) Hey, if you want to turn gay, I have no problem with that. In fact, you can choose to be gay as easily as I can choose to be straight. What do you say we trade sexual orientation for a week and see how it goes?

4) If you say so. But I'm as inclined to choose being straight as much as you are (I think anyway-ya never really know about these things) to choose being gay.

Even if it is a choice, what difference does it make? So my boyfriend and I get together and ****. So what? Who says I have to stop? You? Your religion? In case you didn't know this . . . I am under no obligation to comply with the rules of your religion. You can, if you like. But I ain't gonna.

--Tock

[spywizard]

How silly and young are you????????

You haven't live enough life to know what is good or not...

Science has not proven anything regarding this subject.. there are papers written for and against.....

Silly wacker............


Keep your mouth shut, and have others think you ignorant, that's better than opening it, and proving that you have no common sense.

and stop spouting off the opinions of your teachers.........

Same sex relations is a choice? That's pretty ignorant of you. Do you know from experience? I'm not gay and I can figure this one out. It's not hard. Science has proven that the brain wave patterns of many homosexuals are that of the opposite sex, which would explain why they find the same sex so appealing, since that kind of stuff is hard-wired into our brains. Now granted, there are people who are homosexual because of a number of negative childhood experiences, but again, They can't help it. They're a product of our society. Just like pedophiles. Pedophiles aren't born. They're turned that way because someone in their childhood molested them, likely on numerous occasions. It's an on-going cycle. This doesn't or shouldn't exempt them from their behavior, but it's not completely their fault. I'm sure some gays could be "treated", much in the same way other abnormal sexual behavior (anyone who's gay, please take no offense to this, I'm referring to those who are gay because of childhood experience...) is treated, but why mess with it? These people are happy with who they are, and you should at least respect that. Not many people in this world are happy with themselves or proud for who they are, and one reason why a number of gays don't feel so proud to be gay is oppressive attitudes like yours. Why not try looking at things with an intelligent and open mind next time? Just because someone chooses to live their life differently from you, gives you no right to ostracize them for doing so...

[Gaylord Focker]

All kids that are different get teased. Based on your logic minorities or over weight or ugly parents or anyone who's different shouldn't have kids because of the way society will view and judge them. They have more cards stacked against them.

good point..that makes sense...I guess what I am trying to say is don't make a poilitical statement at the expense of a child...just because a person can...and be prepared to handle the hate that will come from it...be ready for the ridicule that will follow...because it will...I just worry about the child...

You and Tock.........

So being Pedophiles is not a choice, but a chemical predetermined behavoir??? Just like being Gay???

that is the what you are saying.???

I can never understand how you hipacrites can say "I'm gay... i don't have a choice... "

but you refuse to support someone else's choice... ......

and yes........ same sex relations is a choice.........

Let me see...I can't tell you much about being a pedophile nor a homosexual...because I am neither...so there goes your I'm a hipocrite argument...and whos choice did I refuse?...also any sexual relations is a choice regardless if it be straight or gay...IMO what sex gives you a chub isn't...

[abstrack]

You and Tock.........

So being Pedophiles is not a choice, but a chemical predetermined behavoir??? Just like being Gay???

I would say so. Just like mass murders, depressed people, neurotic people. Something is chemically unbalanced in their head. My brother is mentally handi-capped and becasue of his chemical unbalance he is a 8 yrd old in a 41 yr old body. Does he have a choice also??

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You probably will never ever understand because you're not gay.

[alevok]

same sex marriage is the sickest thing on earth. Whats next? sibling marriage?
The more we tolerate them the more they ask for more. sick sick sick

[Tock]

same sex marriage is the sickest thing on earth. Whats next? sibling marriage?
The more we tolerate them the more they ask for more. sick sick sick

Sibling marriage, eh?
Somehow, I don't think so . . .
Most family members have been around each other long enough to know how messy they are, how they like to fart in the middle of movies, how they pick their noses, grunt while slurping their soup, mouth off with stupid comments, etc. so any romantic notions are pretty much dead from the get-go.
My guess is that if prospective marriage partners had the same insights as their family members did of their siblings, there would be a lot fewer marriages going on . . .
JMHO . . .
--Tock

[Mart651]

Ok you guys say it is natural.
I was reading a site yesterday about homosexuality in the wild. It was stating that it was common and appeared to be natural. It also went on to say that in nature the gay animal was usually killed. They were talking about lions. So I would assume that it is natural for the animals to kill the gay in their pride.

I am not saying that we should kill anyone and I know that is where a couple of you will try to take this. I am only stating the fact that it is not as natural as we are lead to believe. If it was then it would not be delt with like this in the wild. It is a flaw and should not be excepted as a life style.

You can be gay all you want and thats just fine with me. As for gay marraige, I think it should be delt with democraticly and let us vote.
That is the only fair way.

[alevok]

I'm sure before slavery was abolished, the Confederates were saying, "What? Give niggers the same rights as us? What's next? Equal rights for women? Hahaha!" Times change my friend. Gays have been around for as long as history has been documented. Now, living in a country that stands for equality for all, you need to learn to accept that homosexuals are just as deserving of this privilege as you are. Now why is it fair that heterosexual child-molestors, zoophiles, and other straight people who engage in bizarre and ILLEGAL sexual behavior, have the right to get married, but not gays? Now you might say, "Well, they're not marrying children, animals, and such." So does that mean if two gay men were to marry two gay women, and they all lived in the same house, but slept with each other's partner (man-man, woman-woman), would that be okay? You can't restrict a HUMAN BEING'S freedoms if they have different sexual practices than you. Are you saying that's what gives a man/woman their rights is depending on what they do in the bedroom? How far are we gonna take this? Are straight people who like anal sex or doggystyle gonna have their freedoms restricted next? Will I have to worry if someone finds out that my girlfriend and I have 69'ed, that I will lose freedoms? If this seems absurd, then why does it seem okay to deny freedoms to a man/woman because they choose to sleep with the same sex? Welcome to the 21st Century, get used to it...

First thing first, given rights to Black people(or equal rights for women) is not the same thing as given right to gay people to marry, you are confusing two very different things.
You said "Now why is it fair that heterosexual child-molestors, zoophiles, and other straight people who engage in bizarre and ILLEGAL sexual behavior, have the right to get married, but not gays? "See now you are puting gays in the same scale with other sick typos, so you are accepting the fact that gays are engaging bizarre sexual behavior.
If you look at the history you will find how gay people died in Pompei/Italy. Please do a research you will be amazed
Ok tell me this, (no offense) assume that your father is gay and married to a man, how do you explain this to your child? Dont you think your boy would think that man doing man is ok? Are you ok with this? I am not!
Whether it is 21st Century or 29th century, wrong will stay wrong no matter how much time pass by.

[Animal Cracker]

Just ask " What would John Wayne think"...if he wouldnt agree...dont let it happen in the US!

[Tock]

Just ask " What would John Wayne think"...if he wouldnt agree...dont let it happen in the US!

I'll tell you what . . . if you can get John Wayne to agree or disagree with anything nowadays, I'll go right along with it!

What I wanna see is you with a spade over his grave . . . lol . . .

--Tock

[Mart651]

Well Pilgram.

I'll tell you what . . . if you can get John Wayne to agree or disagree with anything nowadays, I'll go right along with it!

What I wanna see is you with a spade over his grave . . . lol . . .

--Tock

[palme]

Gay parents or not i belive you cant turn anyone into being gay.

Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?

[mass junkie]

Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?

Absolutely

[Mart651]

You have never spent any time in prison. Trust me bro. It happens a lot more than you think and yes they come out and stay gay.

Gay parents or not i belive you cant turn anyone into being gay.

Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?

[palme]

You have never spent any time in prison. Trust me bro. It happens a lot more than you think and yes they come out and stay gay.

Arent they called bitches?