Guns and Ammo Thread

[Beetlegeuse]

Hell, fiddy-cal brass ain't shit. Try being a loader in a tank making a gun run. The main gun ejects the empties into the floor of the turret, right where the loader does his business. At the end of a gun run there might be 12 or 15 105mm casings (now it's 120mm) rattling around under his feet. And it's his job to throw them out the loader's hatch, which he can't do until there's a lull in the action.

Plus the stench of cordite. That's what they use for propellant and it smells like someone's trying to burn ammonia. The M1 Abrams was the first US tank with a ventilation system effective enough to do a reasonable job of evacuating the gunsmoke. Before the Abrams you just had to live with it.

Can’t even imagine sitting in that on the underbelly of a superfortress at 10,000 feet for hours on end....

More like 25,000. Sometimes 35,000. And the airplane was unpressurized so everybody had to wear an oxygen mask above 10,000 feet.

Being unpressurized also meant it was as cold inside as it was outside, which in winter was as low as -50ºF. At -50 and with the added wind chill for the waist gunners, exposed skin could get frostbitten in seconds. Even in summer it was -20ºF (-ish) at altitude. So they wore shearling-lined leather suits with electric heat. Everybody was tethered to both an oxygen hose and the power cord to their electric suit.

I remember how shitty portable electric stuff like flashlights and electric socks were when I was a kid in the 1960s. A 1940s electric suit probably was better than freezing to death, but not by much.

[Beetlegeuse]

Big Tech's suppression of firearm-related websites already is underway:

Prepare for the Great Decoupling – Deplatforming moves downstream to WordPress.com and Mailchimp

The unrelenting deplatforming pressure from the left leaves non-leftists no choice but to prepare for decoupling on our own terms.

You might remember I previously mentioned an Irish soldier (and general bad-ass) turned US Green Beret, Kevin Owens. I thought I had posted a link to another video with KO in it but I can't seem to locate it. Anyway, in his (well-deserved) retirement he's working for a company that teaches basic survival and personal independence (to include firearms training) called Fieldcraft Survival.

Fieldcraft Survival got evicted on short notice by their web host. Somebody at Fieldcraft (or their IT guy) had foresight to have everything backed up so they got it moved to a new (RKBA-friendly) host and back up and running in just days.

[Beetlegeuse]

Any firearms in the vehicle today, sir?

[Beetlegeuse]

Huzzah!

The first prosecution for anyone still holding on to their bump-fire stock was dropped because the defense had an ATF expert witness prepared to testify that a bump-fire stock does NOT turn a rifle into a machine gun by the ATF's own rules.

[Beetlegeuse]

Optics planet is selling "pre-orders" for 115-gr WWB 9mm, 200 rds for $80, free shipping. https://bit.ly/3fhPUqq

... and 50 rds of 9mm 124-gr WWB for $21. https://bit.ly/35N8Vhw

[SampsonandDelilah]

Optics planet is selling "pre-orders" for 115-gr WWB 9mm, 200 rds for $80, free shipping. https://bit.ly/3fhPUqq

... and 50 rds of 9mm 124-gr WWB for $21. https://bit.ly/35N8Vhw

Thank you!

[Beetlegeuse]

Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight

[SampsonandDelilah]

The Saint Victor finally came free from a 6 day CBI investigation. In February it was less than 10 minutes. If this doesn’t raise a flag, I don’t know what will?

I’m happy to have her home and am going to let her sleep with my Ghetto Blaster and maybe they can make tiny little AR pistol babies

Wouldn’t that just be adorable??

[Honkey_Kong]

The Saint Victor finally came free from a 6 day CBI investigation. In February it was less than 10 minutes. If this doesn’t raise a flag, I don’t know what will?

I’m happy to have her home and am going to let her sleep with my Ghetto Blaster and maybe they can make tiny little AR pistol babies

Wouldn’t that just be adorable??

I'll take a few of their puppies.

[Beetlegeuse]

Nine days ago I mentioned that Flarduh's governor wanted the state's Castle Doctrine amended so it was legal to shoot looters. And that Tennessee and Texas probably wouldn't be far behind.

It took four days. A Tennessee legislator (whose district includes Ft Campbell) filed a bill on the 17th that would allow you to shoot looters. Except the proposed Flarduh law is 'fiddly' because the theft has to be in conjunction with a riot that was within a certain distance from your home. The Tennessee version isn't so overburdened with qualifying conditions. If he's stealing your shit, shoot him. Nice and simple.

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”

― Robert A. Heinlein

Fuckin' A.

[Beetlegeuse]

Kyle Rittenhouse made bail ($2 million). Part of the money was put up by Mike Lindell, the "My Pillow" guy. Another part came from actor Ricky Schroeder. I don't know if they came up with the whole 2 mil or just $200,000 so he could hire a bondsman to bail him out.

If they hired a bondsman, the $200K is his to keep (but he stands to lose the whole $2 mil of Rittenhouse skips). If they put up the entire $2 mil, they get it all back if Rittenhouse keeps his court date.

It sounds to me like Rittenhouse already has consigned himself to spending the rest of his life in prison but he's convinced he wouldn't be alive to do the time if he hadn't "room temperatured" those two demoncrat assholes.

Instead of sending Rittenhouse to prison he should be receiving the Nobel Peace Prize for removing those two miscreants from the gene pool and relieving society of the burden of their future criminal acts. The Antifa/BLM/Occupy Wallstreet tactic from the start was to commit mayhem and destruction of private property that hovered just below the threshold of justifiable homicide. So the logical response is to lower the goddam threshold.

The range is now hot. Fire at will. There is very little in this world that will disabuse you of the notion that you are you are at liberty to wantonly fuck with the liberties of law-abiding citizens like a 5.56 through the lower brain housing group.

If you'd like to show your appreciation to Lindell for taking such a YUGE political risk, right now he has his queen-sized pillow discounted to $30 (msrp $70). Just follow the link on the main page of his website to "radio listener discounts."

[Beetlegeuse]

You had to know this was coming ...

Left Apoplectic over My Pillow’s Mike Lindell Allegedly Helping Bail Out Kyle Rittenhouse

The left is coming unglued over news that actor Ricky Schroder and My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell allegedly helped with the $2 million bail that allowed Kyle Rittenhouse to go home from police custody on Friday....

__________________________________________________ _____________

The demoncrats are all-in on industry that murders 345,672 (mostly black) babies in a year but when one white kid has the gall to go about deadly armed and kills two people defending himself against their potentially deadly attacks, they don their moral high-hat and go all Judge Parker on him.

[kelkel]

Have you seen the news about Biden's new gun buy-back / tax? Just f'n lovely.

[charger69]

Have you seen the news about Biden's new gun buy-back / tax? Just f'n lovely.

The only guns I care about are the ones I flex! LOL


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[kelkel]

The only guns I care about are the ones I flex! LOL


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Thank god for small favors, right!


HA

[SampsonandDelilah]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...un-control.amp

[SampsonandDelilah]

Have you seen the news about Biden's new gun buy-back / tax? Just f'n lovely.

I have. Just another reason this regime terrifies the shit out of me. His entire platform regarding gun control is worse the Obama’s and Clinton’s.

Just have to pray the NFA doesn’t get a hold of “assault weapons”. Absolutely ridiculous

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I am no expert so I am simply asking for knowledge...

Let's say Biden tried to ban a certain type of gun...
Or do this buyback...
Or whatever...

Does it go thru congress?
Or....
How does it become law?

[Cuz]

I am no expert so I am simply asking for knowledge...

Let's say Biden tried to ban a certain type of gun...
Or do this buyback...
Or whatever...

Does it go thru congress?
Or....
How does it become law?

Biden is a 40 plus year politician. He isnt gonna do half the stuff he is promising. He may ban large magazines and stop online firearm sales but it wont go any farther. He is just trying to please his liberal fanbase , imho. And I believe executive orders he can bypass congress. But he doesn’t want to open that can of worms nor does his hopeful vp

[Honkey_Kong]

I am no expert so I am simply asking for knowledge...

Let's say Biden tried to ban a certain type of gun...
Or do this buyback...
Or whatever...

Does it go thru congress?
Or....
How does it become law?

Sometimes, it can go through Congress, but usually, "gun laws" are "passed" by the president directing the ATF and that agency creates new "regulations." And technically, they're not "laws" as they're not passed by Congress, but since not being in compliance can get you fined and see jail time, they basically are.

An easy example is when governors issue mandates requiring people to wear face diapers. The state legislation never passed laws requiring that, but nonetheless if you don't comply, you're subject to jail and fines.

[SampsonandDelilah]

The last two federal gun control measure came during the Clinton administration and went through the House. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban. States have their opportunities to get legislation on the books which is usually run through the Governor’s office and occur when Congress is deadlocked on a gun control measure.
Generally, they’re either “Red flag” laws or laws that prevent certain weapons or high capacity magazines and background checks in addition to what the Brady Bill determined.

[almostgone]

Don't know if I mentioned it or not, but I snagged a synthetic stock stainless Ruger 10/22 within the last 2 weeks. For years I had been planning on buying a bull barrel 10/22, but never did it.
Anyway, I saw the Ruger carbine and grabbed it. As usual, I overscoped and spent more on glass than the rifle ( very easy to do).

I bought a Leupold VX-Freedom AR Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 3-9x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Illuminated FireDot Tri-Mil Reticle Matte on Midway since it was on sale. (Yes, I copy and pasted the scope description).Weaseled a base out of the store because when I bought the rifle there was one screw missing for the factory wimpy bolt on rail for tipoff mounts. They told me to go grab an aftermarket base off the shelf if I saw anything that would work. So I snatched the last Leupold base off the rack. Rings should be here by Friday. Ought to be more than perfect for rabbit or tree rats if things get tight. If nothing else I'll grab another scope for the.22 later if this new scope would be better served on one of the AR-15s.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Don't know if I mentioned it or not, but I snagged a synthetic stock stainless Ruger 10/22 within the last 2 weeks. For years I had been planning on buying a bull barrel 10/22, but never did it.
Anyway, I saw the Ruger carbine and grabbed it. As usual, I overscoped and spent more on glass than the rifle ( very easy to do).

I bought a Leupold VX-Freedom AR Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 3-9x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Illuminated FireDot Tri-Mil Reticle Matte on Midway since it was on sale. (Yes, I copy and pasted the scope description).Weaseled a base out of the store because when I bought the rifle there was one screw missing for the factory wimpy bolt on rail for tipoff mounts. They told me to go grab an aftermarket base off the shelf if I saw anything that would work. So I snatched the last Leupold base off the rack. Rings should be here by Friday. Ought to be more than perfect for rabbit or tree rats if things get tight. If nothing else I'll grab another scope for the.22 later if this new scope would be better served on one of the AR-15s.

The VX freedom is an awesome scope and a perfect match for the 10/22...can’t go wrong. “Bulletproof” purchase. Heyyyy oooooo

There’s more add ons for the Ruger than even the AR markets.

I’ve owned my 10/22 forever and it’s never let me down. With that Leupold on it, you’ll be good to go for whatever comes your way. I’m a big fan of overdoing the optics, lol. Now it’s time to start loaded up on .22 by the brick!


Side note. Has anyone heard of a EAA Girsan MC28 SA T 9mm Pistol. It’s a “budget friendly” striker fired pistol that’s being imported from Turkey and is a total ripoff of the M&P. My local shop just picked some up and with the price tag and the looks, I can stop obsessing about them. They have a FDE one that comes with a red dot and a threaded barrel for just under 400$. Another handgun is the last thing I need, but this thing kept me up last night reading reviews. I hate the term “budget friendly”, ESPECIALLY when it comes to firearms, but they have contracts with the Turkish military and police and may just be flying under the radar. Hmmmmm.

Feels like one I could leave in the pickup and not be sick if something happened to it. Can’t say that about the rest of my collection. If anyone is looking for a new pistol, they’re worth looking into.


Beetle, I’m waiting for your seal of approval

I digress, lol. Nice work on the 10/22 AG!

[almostgone]

The VX freedom is an awesome scope and a perfect match for the 10/22...can’t go wrong. “Bulletproof” purchase. Heyyyy oooooo

There’s more add ons for the Ruger than even the AR markets.

I’ve owned my 10/22 forever and it’s never let me down. With that Leupold on it, you’ll be good to go for whatever comes your way. I’m a big fan of overdoing the optics, lol. Now it’s time to start loaded up on .22 by the brick!


Side note. Has anyone heard of a EAA Girsan MC28 SA T 9mm Pistol. It’s a “budget friendly” striker fired pistol that’s being imported from Turkey and is a total ripoff of the M&P. My local shop just picked some up and with the price tag and the looks, I can stop obsessing about them. They have a FDE one that comes with a red dot and a threaded barrel for just under 400$. Another handgun is the last thing I need, but this thing kept me up last night reading reviews. I hate the term “budget friendly”, ESPECIALLY when it comes to firearms, but they have contracts with the Turkish military and police and may just be flying under the radar. Hmmmmm.

Feels like one I could leave in the pickup and not be sick if something happened to it. Can’t say that about the rest of my collection. If anyone is looking for a new pistol, they’re worth looking into.


Beetle, I’m waiting for your seal of approval

I digress, lol. Nice work on the 10/22 AG!

Thanks, it was a spur of the moment purchase. One of LGS here just got in some of the same pistols; I got an ad in the mail from them yesterday. I haven't looked at them yet, but the price is very reasonable if they are reliable.

I'm semi stocked on .22 LR ammo from the last time things went tits up, but when it rolls around again I'll be snagging more.

The only thing I don't understand is why Ruger didn't put sling mounts on the thing. Since the buttstock feels semi-hollow, I'll probably end up with a Giles sling or something.

[almostgone]

By the way, have any of you tried out the ATN day/night scopes? Y'all would not believe the amount of feral hogs we have coming through now. At times it's like individual "herds" coming through.

[Cuz]

By the way, have any of you tried out the ATN day/night scopes? Y'all would not believe the amount of feral hogs we have coming through now. At times it's like individual "herds" coming through.

Would like to but a thermal scope wont be in Cuz’ budget for quite a while. Dropping my overtime for a few months to get back serious in the gym.

Those ATN’ s look nice tho. Would love to have one day

[BurntRbr]

I've been away from forums for so long! First stop has go to be here, and always guns and ammo talk because pew pew!

[Beetlegeuse]

Excellent chronicling of the history of gun control laws in the US (at Ammo dot com, who almost always do very good work).

Federal Gun Control in America: A Historic Guide to Major Federal Gun Control Laws and Acts

If you have occasion to engage in gun control debates, you could do worse than to archive a copy of this article for your own use. The article has been being archived on the WayBack Machine since 2017, showing a history of periodic updates.

[Beetlegeuse]

National Ammo Crisis! Where is the Ammo & When Will Prices be ‘Normal’ Again

Lots of statistical and historic analysis, too intricate to re-post here. They don't predict when it will end because (as almostgone has noted) primers are the bottleneck and the primer makers aren't tipping their hands about when the dam will break. They do predict prices could increase by another 25%.

[Beetlegeuse]

[almostgone]

Always enjoyed reading commentary and critique by Col. Cooper and Maj Plaster!

[Beetlegeuse]

Of course it will, and by design. Just like the Absurdly Expensive Health Care Act was designed to bankrupt the private health care industry, leaving no alternative to gummint-run single-payer. The Dims intend this to be the third term of Sheikh Obama (piss be upon him) so they're looking to push what there was remaining of his Alinsky-Marxist bucket list that he didn't get enacted.

‘It’s A Disaster’: Joe Biden’s Gun Plan Could Bankrupt The Firearms Industry, Advocates Say

* President-elect Joe Biden’s gun control plan includes a provision to repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce In Arms Act, which protects firearm sellers and manufacturers from lawsuits related to the misuse of weapons or ammunition.

* Two Second Amendment advocates said the plan could cripple the gun industry and drive companies and small sellers alike into bankruptcy.

* Remington Arms Company, which recently went bankrupt, and Cabelas were recent targets of gun-related lawsuits, and the firearms advocates insist the Georgia Senate races will determine if Biden’s policies are enacted into law.

... Jamison called the theories behind the gun litigation “absurd” and said the lawsuits have been allowed to continue even under the Commerce In Arms Act because of misguided courts.

“They’ve gotten away with it because the courts have indulged these absurd theories of law,” the gun lawyer said. “It’s a disaster. It has been very bad the last few years, yes, but it’s going to be the death of mom and pop and gun shops — individually-owned gun shops — and some of these companies.”

Pratt sees the potential for America’s gun industry as a whole to crumble under the weight of litigation that could result from Biden’s plan.

“The idea of the left would be ‘oh sure you can have a Second Amendment right, too bad you just can’t find any guns that are being produced and manufactured,'” he said....

[Beetlegeuse]

Coloradans, looks like you elected "a keeper."

Newly elected Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) has already asked Capitol Police about her ability to have a gun on Capitol grounds for defense of herself and her fellow lawmakers....

[SampsonandDelilah]

Coloradans, looks like you elected "a keeper."

Newly elected Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) has already asked Capitol Police about her ability to have a gun on Capitol grounds for defense of herself and her fellow lawmakers....

It’s the only elected official we’ve done right lately! She is the real deal, smart and pretty too

[almostgone]

Coloradans, looks like you elected "a keeper."

Newly elected Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) has already asked Capitol Police about her ability to have a gun on Capitol grounds for defense of herself and her fellow lawmakers....

It’s the only elected official we’ve done right lately! She is the real deal, smart and pretty too

When I saw her with a drop-leg holster and pistol ( maybe a Glock?), I had to do a little reading on her. Also caught a few short Q&A sessions on the Andrew Wilkow show on XM125.

Seems to be a pretty direct and to the point type of personality. I like it!!

Think there were several females that flipped seats to the GOP on this election.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Definitely a Glock in this one

[Cuz]

Definitely a Glock in this one

She is smoking hott. Holy chit

[Beetlegeuse]

SAAMI standardized an 80,000 psi cartridge Sig created for a competition to build a new squad automatic weapon for the US military, the .277 Fury. And I can't say I've ever heard of another cartridge over 65,000 psi, so this is the highest pressure round I've ever heard of, by a substantial margin.

This traces back to the shift in mentality that in future wars everything will have to be able to defeat body armor, so they wanted a bullet with considerably more mass than 5.56 but about the same velocity. This round is so hot that the case head had to be made from steel and joined to the brass body with a lock ring.


.277 Fury next to .308 Win

Case head is dimensionally identical to the .308, and so is the cartridge body diameter and length, so this essentially is an 80,000 psi 7mm-08.

It's supposed to get 3000 fps with a 135-gr bullet and a 16" bbl! But according to my barrel life calculator (with a couple of SWAGS because I don't have all the relevant stats), a barrel shooting this round is highly unlikely to last 1000 rounds (but more than that if it's melonited).

I bears mention that the M-1 Garand was designed around the .276 Pedersen round because that caliber was considered closer to the ideal size for a battle rifle (bullet mass vs velocity vs recoil vs cartridge weight) but they went with .30-06 because there still was shit-tons of it left from WWI. So maybe this is a step away from the poodle-shooter and back toward a cartridge better (best?) suited to a universal infantryman's rifle.

Also worth mention that the Bosch invented cold hammer-forged barrels specifically because of the outrageous cyclic rate (1200 rpm, 20 rds/sec!!) of their new general purpose machine gun, the MG-42. But if anyone has a trick up their sleeve to prevent this being the barrel-burner it was born to be -- especially in a friggin' machine gun -- I've not got wind of it.

[Honkey_Kong]

And so the ATF is already at it:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ghost-g...ts-11607670296

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I took this photo at my hotel a few days ago.

I'm on holiday in the Canary Islands, and my hotel has a shooting game 2 or 3 times a week. It's a Norica Titan spring-powered riffle and it shoots .177 lead pellets. It can also be gotten in a .22 lead pellet version.

My understanding is that I need a firearms license in the UK even for this spring-powered rifle because the projectile leaves the gun with more than 16 joules of kinetic energy ( = mass × velocity x velocity).

For anything above 16 joules, I would need to get a firearms certificate, and so I might try get one -- but I can't imagine they hand them out to just anyone.