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    Okay I went from 172 to 187.5 on cycle, consuming at least 3000 calories a day and as much protein as I could, I'm on PCT right now (this is the first time I have used the clomid/nolvadex combo - the same as in sample cycle) and I am experiencing pain in a muslce on the right side of my back and cramping like what I got when I did my first M1T cycle. I'll just be sitting there and BAM my side goes ape sh!t in spasms. Any suggestions? Anybody else run into this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleche
    Okay I went from 172 to 187.5 on cycle, consuming at least 3000 calories a day and as much protein as I could, I'm on PCT right now (this is the first time I have used the clomid/nolvadex combo - the same as in sample cycle) and I am experiencing pain in a muslce on the right side of my back and cramping like what I got when I did my first M1T cycle. I'll just be sitting there and BAM my side goes ape sh!t in spasms. Any suggestions? Anybody else run into this?
    If its a muscle cramping, then drink alot of water, taurine and potassium. That should solve the problem if it is a cramp.

    If its an internal pain try and figure out exactly where it is. If its your kidneys, use cranberry extract and drink lots of water. If its your liver, use milk thistle or NAC.

    If you think its the second point or if you do the stuff above and it doesn't get better, you should get checked out by your doctor. Be honest with the doctor, if you lie to them its only going to be hurting you in the long run. And they can't tell people your patient information anyways.

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    Drink plenty of water and just monitor it. If it gets worse, then start worrying.

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    You could take l-dex with pct, but as an addition to nolvadex and clomid not as a replacement for nolvadex and clomid.

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    It helps if you know what the compounds actually do physiologically in your body. L-dex is an anti-aromatase, so it will stop test from converting to estrogen. IMO you still would need nolvadex and clomid.

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    I dont like AIs PC. They take estrogen dangerously low. Your HDL/LDL is already hurting from the M 1T. As NSA said, get nolvadex/clomid.

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    yo Nsa im on day 4 doing 10mgs a day I can feel it like the effects

    Im 5 10 and weight about 210 ish


    Should i bump it up the 2nd week and 3rd week and so on?

    Opinion plz?

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    Whats your body fat % and what is your cycle experience?

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    bf is like 14-16ish kidna high cycle experience


    umm 1-ad hahah just getting my feeet wet before summer comes around....

    and how long does m1t stay in your system .. Is it detectable?
    Last edited by Machin3; 03-18-2005 at 12:07 AM.

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    ok guys tell me what you think of this cycle

    weeks 1-6: 900mg 1-AD, 400mg 4-AD
    weeks 6-8: 15mg M-1T, 400mg 4-AD
    PCT Novla, Clomid for 8 weeks

    Any changes or suggestions?

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    im actually in week 4 of this cycle....my strength has gone through the roof and im noticing my arms are bigger...ive done a cycle of 1-ad alone before and i gained 13lbs....soo hopefully i can expect the same type of results

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    also just a quick rundown of my stats:
    height: 5'10
    weight: 245-250lbs (changes daily)
    arms: 18.5
    forearms: 14.5
    quads: 29
    calves: 18.5
    chest: 50
    bodyfat %: i would say 14-16% (im getting it check next week)

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    Looks like you have a solid base, and are already having good gains with 1-ad. Expect more when you start M 1T. I would bump the calroies up slightly when you start the M1T, maybe 250-400 a day.

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    the 1-ad seems to be killing my sex drive. i started the 4-ad 3 days ago after i started to feel the sides from the 1-ad. should i bump up the dosage or will it take a few more days for the 4-ad to kick in? (note: im using the 4Derm transdermal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwollSooner315
    the 1-ad seems to be killing my sex drive. i started the 4-ad 3 days ago after i started to feel the sides from the 1-ad. should i bump up the dosage or will it take a few more days for the 4-ad to kick in? (note: im using the 4Derm transdermal)
    even with the 4-ad it did nothing to help my sex drive
    Trib might help that a little but you probably wont see your drive comming back till pct.

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    alright guys thanks for the imput...i appreciate it

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    alright guys im fixing to order all of my stuff for PCT. How much clomid and novla should i take after i finish my current cycle?

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    give it acouple days, than bump it up.

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    Day 1 150mg clomid/40mg nolva
    Day 2-4 100mg clomid/30mg nolva
    Day 5-14 50mg clomid/20mg nolva

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    There are a few ways to run your pct. Pheedno is probably one of the most knowledgable when it comes to pct, you can check out his PCT thread in the pct forum. Or if you want to front load clomid, you can look around as there are numerous threads on front loading clomid along with nolvadex.

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    alright guys, thanks again!

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    just a quick q about milk thistle...
    should it not be taking while ur on 10mg M1T as ive heard it interferes with protien synthesis...
    but ive also heard u really need to run it while ur on M1t
    any answers?

    scanned the threads and couldn't see this anywhere..

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoRnErBaCk_BlItZ
    just a quick q about milk thistle...
    should it not be taking while ur on 10mg M1T as ive heard it interferes with protien synthesis...
    but ive also heard u really need to run it while ur on M1t
    any answers?

    scanned the threads and couldn't see this anywhere..

    Doesnt interfere with protein synthesis take 1000mg during and post cycle when taking orals.

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    Thanks Bryan for clearing that up

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    Hey everyone, this is my first post but I've been reading the boards for about a year now.
    I had bought M1T before the ban back in December thinking I may try it out later on ( I still needed some more natural development) but I didn't buy the 4-AD. I believe I've hit a plateu in my natural development and hoped to start a cycle. Is there any other product I can use in place of the 4-AD with my first cycle? Is 4-AD still being sold? I want to minimize lethargy if possible.

    Thanks!
    Ceasar

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    My third M1t cycle, third dbol.

    WWeek 1, Dbol 3 days at 20 mg ED to jumpstart
    Weeks 1-4: 10 mg ED of M1t
    Weeks 1-4: 1500 mg ED of hawthorne berry extract

    ED: 150 gr. Carbs plus regular food.
    + with my creatine, I use juice containing 70 gr. sugar ... that´s not in my 150 gr ED carbs.

    7 % bf

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    Bump.

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    bump

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    bump for the 700

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    i think m1t works great...i gained 5 pounds a week and didnt use any post cycle except 6oxo and everything worked out fine for me.... good luck everyone

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    click on the word nolva or clomid or pct- whats your name about?

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    ok thanks also would it be good to stack the n02 supplment plus the ce2 supplement with these m1t'ss

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    you can if you would like-make sure you are using 4ad and following the guidelines illustrated in this post. If i were you i would save them for pct. also no2 is a waste of money IMO

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    Not allowed to ask for sources of banned substances.

    You won't need more than 1 bottle (of clomid or nolvadex) if you follow the doses in the orginal post.

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    Just wanted to say thanks to nsa and all for their advice. I took m1t about 3 months ago per the guidlines on the first post. I weighed in before at 156 pds benching a max of 160. I have had weight issuses in the past ( not being able to gain it ) and at 6'1" its noticeable. After the cycle and pct with nova and clom.... I weighed in at 180 pds and now benching 215. I know you loose some of the weight during pct but I was quite happy to see I kept it. I also did a fat % test and Im at 11 % body fat. Is that good or bad? Im ready for my next cycle but I was just curious to see how long I should wait. I did the milk thistle and I dont drink.

    Thanks again

    alias
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    Quote Originally Posted by alias
    Just wanted to say thanks to nsa and all for their advice. I took m1t about 3 months ago per the guidlines on the first post. I weighed in before at 156 pds benching a max of 160. I have had weight issuses in the past ( not being able to gain it ) and at 6'1" its noticeable. After the cycle and pct with nova and clom.... I weighed in at 180 pds and now benching 215. I know you loose some of the weight during pct but I was quite happy to see I kept it. I also did a fat % test and Im at 11 % body fat. Is that good or bad? Im ready for my next cycle but I was just curious to see how long I should wait. I did the milk thistle and I dont drink.

    Thanks again

    alias
    Congrats on the gains.

    11% BF isn't bad at all, in America 12% or less for men is considered athletic/healthy. Thats according to one of the associations i have a PT certification with, not sure which one though. lol

    I would wait at least a month or two after your done with PCT, to cycle again. Are you planning on cycling m1t/4-ad again? Or something else?

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    m1t cycle

    Thanks, I was just browsing this board along time ago, thank god I saw your post regarding m1t. I was thinking of doing the same cycle again at 10mg a day and the 4ad. Would u recommend upping the dose or do you think 10mg is still enough. I also read other posts regarding stacking m1t with deca and other products but Im not really sure I want to go on that route.... since I pretty much new to this, dont want to jump into anything I wouldnt be able to handle.

    Thanks again


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