i think you missed my point. i said at 2.5 iu i had sides stating that at 10 you should have plenty.Originally Posted by DanB
and i have ran 10iu
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i think you missed my point. i said at 2.5 iu i had sides stating that at 10 you should have plenty.
and i have ran 10iu
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Dan I bought some kigs 5 months ago and havent used them yet. According to this thread all kigs are garbage. What's the best way to see if there legit, the serum test through privatemdlabs? Or pin a high amount and see if I get sides?
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just through them in the garbage
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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i thought you refering to ansomone
i aggee with above
bin them
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Sure it is lol
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i love it
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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no i was just joking its not falling asleep lol, anyways enough about me, how is your batch going?
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To be perfectly honest I can't tell when your lying or telling the truth.
My batch lol
They are selling fakes again so I'm pretty sure how its going to go. I'm not trying to convince myself they real I'm sure they selling fakes. I just hope some are real then its not fully wasted.
Look guys I know I've pissed some people off about Anasome but trust me your not as pissed as me, I've lost my source!
Carry on using them, use generic I'm not bothered but what I have done is bring the whole issue about Chinese fakes to the table and after a few years nearly everyone agrees. I also bring 25yrs worth of experience so believe what you want, think what you want but don't lie to yourself.
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No I agree with you I think they might be screwing people here and there, Dan seems to still have hope for them however I am never buying from them again because of all these rumors. Its to risky now. I dont think I am going to use GH anymore either after I used all this up. Its not sustainable, and not worth the trouble. After this run it will be close to 2.5 years of using it and thats long enough for a lifetime IMO.
Sorry you lost your source, I got into this whole thing cause of your recommendation so if your not using them anymore Im not going to either. Im not as pissed though as you though cause you obviously want to stay on it and I really dont care anymore after this blast. Im never going to be Phil Heath so it does not matter, I think I made as much gains as Im going to from it and thats all folks.
As I mentioned earlier Ive run the good american and swiss pharma grade gh and had just as good results with anki as I did with them, so its too bad about all this new stuff because obviously anki was a lot cheaper and just as good quality. And it puts people out in the cold who actually want to give GH a try and try to get something outside of the rips, jins and other fakesThis is all really too bad if its true.
Im usually joking when I put abehind what I say
Last edited by Razor; 08-24-2012 at 03:48 PM.
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No problemNo I agree with you I think they might be screwing people here and there, Dan seems to still have hope for them however I am never buying from them again because of all these rumors. Its to risky now. I dont think I am going to use GH anymore either after I used all this up. Its not sustainable, and not worth the trouble. After this run it will be close to 2.5 years of using it and thats long enough for a lifetime IMO.
Sorry you lost your source, I got into this whole thing cause of your recommendation so if your not using them anymore Im not going to either. Im not as pissed though as you though cause you obviously want to stay on it and I really dont care anymore after this blast. Im never going to be Phil Heath so it does not matter, I think I made as much gains as Im going to from it and thats all folks.
As I mentioned earlier Ive run the good american and swiss pharma grade gh and had just as good results with anki as I did with them, so its too bad about all this new stuff because obviously anki was a lot cheaper and just as good quality. And it puts people out in the cold who actually want to give GH a try and try to get something outside of the rips, jins and other fakes
Im usually joking when I put a
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I've got a post in this thread somewhere about this but I've use hyges,Jins,blues,yellow, kigs, sero,Lilly and infact my generic supplier years ago sent me clear vials and nearly every label and bixes going , he said stick want you want on lol
I'll write something and post it soon but there is a lot of information already in this thread from many guys giving their opinions and views
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Also what are some names of reputable generics? Be nice for people here at least to have there shot at real gh and this not be the end of it for everyone.
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Funny thing is my source still stands behind his kigs saying everyone loves them. Maybe he'll give me a refund.
Yes I'd be interested to hear some thoughts on this??
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I think Marcus has made it pretty clear... there is not even any good Chinese Pharma growth left, so there damn sure are no good generics. But if I am wrong and anyone knows of any good generics let me know...
One guy said that the blue tops with the sparkles and yellow dots on the upper left of the box are smokin!
Of course he was the guy selling them ;-)
PS this post is all in fun..not meant to flame anyone..I as much as anyone wish there were some legit blue tops out there...thats how the muthafrs get you...its kinda like a shimmer in the desert...you get thirsty enough and everything looks like water.
I agree with Ronnie, it would be a lot easier for Marcus to just keep quiet than bury oneself in all the controversy and make enemies of all those who sell the blues, yellows,kigs etc etc etc. Thanks for stepping up to the plate.
Last edited by Far from massive; 08-26-2012 at 08:47 PM.
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We dont discuss sources and there is a section to ask about labs
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Well as usual my timing is stellar and I probably have 2k worth of? ???? Sitting in a refrigerator in the Philippines waiting for me.
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Well I've been using generic blue tops for 2 months now, taking 5iu's a day (sprinkling in the odd 10iu/day once a week or so). I've never used hgh before but i'm fairly certain this is the real deal (as far as being dosed properly or not - that's anybodies guess). My finger and toe nails are growing way faster than usual, i swear i have to keep on top of them every few days now. I was exceptionally tired for the first few weeks, vivid dreams, 5-8lbs of water retention (i didn't slowly work my way up in dose), numb hands/feet/tingly feelings throughout the day. Mostly at night and in the morning. Crazy wrist pumps at the gym that often times make me have to drop the weight towards the end of my workout (time to invest in some straps). Definitely been leaning out and feeling 'fuller' all at the same time, too.
So i'm assuming it's the real deal despite all the bad talk with most generic blues (got them from my source directly in China). The thing is - Threads like this have me concerned. Was I just lucky? Could this potentially just be peptides that mimic all the same effects as hgh? I'm going to have to decide what to do in 4-5 months when i run out. I plan on running HGH for years to come, but money is a bit of an issue. Buying these generics make it very doable, but if i were to go the us pharma route it would be 'breaking the bank' so to speak.
What would you guys personally do? Realistically if i keep seeing results from these blue tops i'll order more of them and run with it and hope for the best. Would hate to find out i'm not injecting hgh, though. I suppose a smart choice would be to get my igf-1 levels tested or do the hgh serum test. Might be my next move.
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Get a high serum test within 2 hours of pinning
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That's what im thinking of doing. I figured they were slightly underdosed so i started off dosing it fairly high - but because of that i got all the side effects like crazy. I've been following some threads on different boards where they're keeping track of how the different types of hgh are testing out on the serum test. Costs something like $70 or so, right? Will likely do this fairly soon. If they test legit i'm going to be ecstatic - i could run this gh for years upon years without breaking the bank. Sounds dreamyyyyy. Hah.
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read up on the serum test. It doesnt mean the gh is bio available. Stop trying to convince the shit you have is real. its garbage and you know
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Not really disagreeing with you at all bro, I truthfully don't know if it's garbage or not. Underdosed or mostly peptides? Probably. I'm getting positive results from it, though. So I figure whatever it is, as long as it's giving me positive results I might as well ride it out and see what happens. If I had the $$$ for us pharma gh i'd be on it in a heartbeat. Now to just win the lottery
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I wish i still had the email buty erlier this year i got an email from Nancy warning about fakes. stating somthing about the cap should say "flip off", if the cap says "Ansomone" it is fake. This seemed to me the first indicator that the days or real Ansomone were over. shortly aflter that email i started to see sponsors on another forum offering ansomone, and now you can just google it and buy online. all to me were indications of fakes.
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The fake stuff some have received came directly from Nancy who gave out the warning. Very shady!
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^^This is probably the email you're talking about.
Hi, dear ******,
Good day to you!
As you know, we AnkeBio are the unqiue manufacturer of HGH with our own trade name ANSOMONE, and our official website is www.ankebio.com .
But recently, some of our customers gave us the feedback that they bought fake HGH/Ansomone when they did not order from us directly.
Here, we offers easy ways to verify genuine HGH/Ansomone in order that you can use genuine HGH/Ansomone originated from Ankebio in safe way.
Step1. Before or when ordering:
------Please make order from us the unique manufacturer directly for your first choice.
Step2. When you receive HGH/Ansomone:
------Please check the outer packet/kit (10 vials each packet/kit) and the inner vials of HGH/ANSOMONE you got. If there is no sealed sticker with anti-counfeiting numbers on packet/kit, and the cap of vial is with "ANSOMONE", we AnkeBio confirm that it is FAKE ANSOMONE.
------Our original vial's cap is with "FLIP OFF" in order to indicate user how to open the vial conveniently.
------If the cap of vial you got is with "FLIP OFF", please DO NOT forget to verfity it on our official anti-counterfeiting system as discription on the following Step3.
Step3. Verify on our offical and unique Anti-counterfeiting System
------Please go to the the following Anti-counterfeiting System, and then you will find how to verify HGH/Ansomone you got Genuine or Fake.
http://www.ankebio.com/english/ansomone.asp?third_id=4
Hope these information is helpful!
For any questions, please feel free to contact us.
Thanks for your time!
Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Nancy
12/03/2012
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I wonder what the hell really does take place at a legit pharma that produces legit HGH and distributes it the BB community that causes them to cease sales of this same HGH through the channels they have established.
Perhaps they Anke now have enough sales through legit channels to move all their HGH and they prefer to no longer be associated with the BB/athletic community? Or maybe they have by some means lost the ability to produce HGH as they had in the past?
Or did the demand for HGH suddenly exceed their production capabilities, so rather than loose business while they expand they decided to start pumping out fakes?
Seems something along either of these lines must have happened, as they really can not think that they can continue selling fakes to a market built and accustomed to real HGH.
I guess it does not really matter, but I can't help but wonder?
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They are selling fakes because of one thing "money" and I'm sure it will only be to the retail side of the buisiness ie us bodybuilders, seeing that they have built up enough customers they can sell to us without any serious backlash. Seriously what are we going to do if its fake? Nothing except slag them off on a bodybuilding board. I've been telling everyone about generics for yrs but its still huge business so what harm are we going to do to them, nothing.
Suppose what do you expect from China
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NOTE: Real pharmaceutical companies do not offer to replace medications because they know they are real upon inspection before leaving the facility and recalls do not have to be sent back! Like marcus said the fakes look legits because they come directly from ankie and are you are using the exact same boxes and leaflets. Nancy finally got back with me after I threatened many would go public. They are well aware of the fact that people living inside the U.S. have to pay a re-shipper a fee to ship it to the U.S. since they will not. In fact, ordering Ansomone GH inside the U.S. invloves paying ankieo for the GH, then paying a bank transfer fee to get them the money, a western union fee to re-shipper, and then a fee to the re-shipper to ship. Were talking a lot of time and money! And their lame response as of today was:
"All of our ANSOMONE/HGH are manufactured in the same production line in our GMP plant for many years. There is no reason for us to offer you FAKE products if you bought products directly from us.
As our ANSOMONE/HGH has very good reputation for many years, that is reason why so lots of FAKE ANSOMONE and FAKE AnkeBio people on internet now. The inner and outer packing of these FAKE are very similar to our real products.
Once again, if you confirm that something wrong with the products we sent to you, please send them back, we will replace a new batch for you. It is reasonable for both sides, we believe that all the people will think it is reasonable Solutions.
Thank you for your time!
Regards,
Nancy
28/08/2012
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Do o u believe her?
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If you re- read his post you will find the answer
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Dear Sir,
Thank you for your e-mail!
1. We AnkeBio have manufactured and marketed our ANSOMONE/HGH for injection for more than 14 years. There is no problem reports about our ANSOMONE/HGH by now. In fact, quite a few customers have used our products for 10 years with great satisfaction.
2. Because our products have great reputation on internet, there are so lots of FAKE ANKEBIO Poeple on internet sell FAKE ANSOMONE and FAKE HGH; also some Competitors make rumor and slander us on internet.
3. We are regret for their unlawful and calumniation as they could not proceed their business in the good way but iniquity business actions.
We think that it is not neccesary for us to waste time on these absurd actions. The best way for us is to ignore these silly untrue information on internet, because our HGH is real great HGH. The truth should never be changed whatever some people spreaded rumor.
4. The best way to clarify our HGH product is to test it in any authorized lab your trusted . Our HGH/ANSOMONE could be purchased and available in almost all the hospitals in China now, and any people could buy it from these hospital in China directly, then test them in the trusted labs. Any thing will be clear at that time.
5. Our information could be downloaded on our website ******. Hope these information is helpful for your evaluation. In fact, there are lots of our ANSOMONE users around the world and growing, and they are satisfied with our products and service.
6. Only these people who makes orders derectly from our unique official website ********** could get the real and genuine HGH/ANSOMONE with best quality and best service.
Hope these information is helpful for you.
Thank you for your time!
Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Nancy
14/08/2012
Last edited by Swifto; 08-29-2012 at 08:06 AM.
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My wife use to work for a pharmaceutical plant and they set a side products to be tested when running it on the line. Also, there is another department called quality assurance that collects samples to be taken to the lab and randomly tested. Other samples are stored for shelf life to make sure the potency is good til the expiration date. Now if they had a recall on a specific batch it would be different but they are not recalling any of their products. A real pharmaceutical company keeps samples in case something goes wrong. You cannot send a controlled substance back to the plant, only the pharmacy. No one can send it back because it's illegal and they know it. Many trusted them by sending them money but why do they not trust us when we say it was working for a while but now it's not. Many of us have been in the game long enough to know what's real and what's fake. If your eating an apple it should look and taste like an apple not something else.
Let's all spread the truth to as many boards as possible and over time I am sure it's going to hurt them to some degree when people type in ansomone and read about them selling couterfeit GH. It will have a trickle down effect! I am very dissapointed because I thought the chineese would be more willing to stand behind their products.
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Everything with China has changed. As far as they are concerned, the U.S. is not there friend. They are only concerned with capitalizing on anything they can with us. We will never be able to pay the debt back. At some point the U.S. will have to have a Leader that is going to have to act like someone from the private sector and tell them we will settle our debt for pennies on the dollar, which of course they will not be willing to do. IMO its probably going to get worse as far as relations with them. I think the idea of spreading the word on all the boards and creating a few blogs or site that is set up well enough to show up on search engines and talk about there fakes. They are not going to own up to mfg. junk. There site has the scrolling warning about counterfeit products as if that covers them. I do believe spreading the word will put a big hurt on there sales. Once there rep is ruined, it will be difficult to make a comeback. I personally never purchased there products, but sounds like it was a big seller with many. To start making fake products and selling them to people that have spent a lot of money with them and referred (endorsed) there company is just LOW AND DIRTY BUSINESS, with no regard for people in general or any type of loyalty to dedicated customers. No sense wasting energy on fixing or hoping they will change, better to go with spreading the word!
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More dissolution than ever now..this is so frustrating
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They practically offer their head on a plate with this stupid email. Its incredible how stupid the Chinese workers can be (of course backed by their managers and CEO). Ansomone is registered nowhere outside China but they sell it over website...same as GenSci they ask for a anal rape and most certainly will get it one day or another.
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What a GD mess this has become!!!!
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I'm starting to think anything made in China is just bad..how can they make the same product as Lilly or Serono or genetech for 75% less? GH is a million dollar operation. I know what it takes to make this stuff, I happen to live in the Bio-Tech capital of the US, here in San Diego/Oceanside/San Francisco
Ive met people from all these companies at bars and charity events and house parties, and talked to them about GH, it costs millions of dollars to make this stuff and for R&D. After the initial R&D is done obviously the price comes down, GH back in the early 2000's was 10 times the price of what it is now..
I thought about this all last night...Im going to call a friend of a friend and possible see if I can give them a vial from Anki and see if they will test it.
http://www.gene.com/gene/about/locations/
http://www.xconomy.com/san-diego/200...er-of-silence/
What do you guys think they are putting the vials now? IGF...how much less does it cost to make IGF vs GH?
Last edited by Razor; 08-29-2012 at 10:30 AM.
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I really don't know what they are putting inside the Chinese GH because the sides have been wide spread, but I good guess would be something like peptides, AI's, anti diuretic hormones or in some worse case's some chemical what mimic gh side which increase BP,water and some some odd cases gyno. Its really pissed me off because now I have to look for another secure source which is like a needle in a haystack
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If they are putting IGF-1 in, how would you know?I really don't know what they are putting inside the Chinese GH because the sides have been wide spread, but I good guess would be something like peptides, AI's, anti diuretic hormones or in some worse case's some chemical what mimic gh side which increase BP,water and some some odd cases gyno. Its really pissed me off because now I have to look for another secure source which is like a needle in a haystack
Dude I have so much respect for what you have done here, you had the balls to come forth and say hey this is fcked up and Ill admit that, and your trying to get to the bottom of that, rather than tucking your tail and running.
Respect
Last edited by Razor; 08-29-2012 at 10:49 AM.
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The generic companies always say get yourself tested but they know you can't test the powder for being an active hormone so they are putting something in what would knock out your ranges or imply you have a higher level of gh, some cases they put fuk all in it. I'm more pissed than anything because u buy thousands of ius and also pass a lot of business there way so it was hard but after 4 separate now coming to me I had no choice.
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