**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[Igifuno]

Yes it's a cutting cycle

[marcus300]

Exactly. Calories high through pct, continue HIT training, blood work 6-8 weeks after pct to see whether or not I've become an HRT candidate, and in the meantime, put together my next cycle beginning in May:

1-12 test prop 100mg/eod
1-12 NPP 100mg/eod
1-12 Masteron Prop 100mg/eod

Obviously everything else HCG, AI, PCT if not on HRT, prami, etc.

This will be my first time running mast, would also like some thoughts on the above dosage. I had great results off my current cycle at relatively low dosage. Will need to reduce body fat prior to launching the cycle in order to get the best results from mast, so I will prime a few weeks prior to May.

Long cycle for such short ester's, I think if you do prime you can reduce the cycle length easy.

Keep us all informed how the pct goes and how and when your weight stabilizes

[Igifuno]

Long cycle for such short ester's, I think if you do prime you can reduce the cycle length easy. Keep us all informed how the pct goes and how and when your weight stabilizes

8 to 10 weeks?

[marcus300]

8 to 10 weeks?

You will be getting your blood values up and running far more sooner than if you was running a longer ester so you can easily cut the cycle down. I would start looking at closing the cycle around the 8 weeks mark but why don't you just leave it open ended and once your gains/results slow down or stop come off and go into pct. I think you will done by week 8 anyway but you never know.

[Cuz]

Exactly. Calories high through pct, continue HIT training, blood work 6-8 weeks after pct to see whether or not I've become an HRT candidate, and in the meantime, put together my next cycle beginning in May:

1-12 test prop 100mg/eod
1-12 NPP 100mg/eod
1-12 Masteron Prop 100mg/eod

Obviously everything else HCG, AI, PCT if not on HRT, prami, etc.

This will be my first time running mast, would also like some thoughts on the above dosage. I had great results off my current cycle at relatively low dosage. Will need to reduce body fat prior to launching the cycle in order to get the best results from mast, so I will prime a few weeks prior to May.

Good choice. I like more test tho and maybe a shorter length cycle plan. Thought about var any?

[Igifuno]

You will be getting your blood values up and running far more sooner than if you was running a longer ester so you can easily cut the cycle down. I would start looking at closing the cycle around the 8 weeks mark but why don't you just leave it open ended and once your gains/results slow down or stop come off and go into pct. I think you will done by week 8 anyway but you never know.

Right, thank you.

[Igifuno]

Good choice. I like more test tho and maybe a shorter length cycle plan. Thought about var any?

Yes, I did leave that part out, didn't I? I was considering var and may still add it into the cycle but last time I ran it and this time with T-bol, back pumps were very distracting. I have a ton of winny that I haven't used so I may incorporate it into this next cycle instead of var.

[Igifuno]

I'm in the same boat as you. Well not PCT, but back down to therapeutic TRT dose. We'll be Debbie Downers together.

I'm there for you man

[kelkel]

Time to hide the scale Igi!

[Igifuno]

Time to hide the scale Igi!

I'll try!!

[Black]

I kind of agree with you DD, I find upping my test dose doesn't cause to much of problems when I come off cycle but running the 19 nor's does have a negative effect on how I feel and look when I do come back down to my trt dose.

How often do you cycle ?

When I first started cycling, I would only 2 cycles a year (long ester, 12-14 weeks). I started feeling really drained and strung out towards the 12 week mark and recovery, even on TRT, was slower it seemed. From then on, I started exclusively using short ester compounds. I felt with more frequent dosing, I could better maintain consistent blood levels and estrogen control. But most of all, short esters enabled me to do shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks. Now, I feel I recover better and don't feel 'beat up' towards the end of the cycle.

I've always followed 'time on=time off' AND blood work before I cycle again. 14 weeks after a 14 week cycle, I had blood work cause I was ready to run another one. Everything came back fine, except my Neurophils (sp?) Levels. I had to look it up. When these numbers are elevated, it indicates the body has been over stressed. They are usually elevated after a heart attack, surgery, etc. This worried me and I consulted my doctor. He listen to my heart and ran some tests, everything came back fine. He concluded it was probably a combination of lifting and not getting enough rest. Either way, it delayed me cycling again and made me further realize the importance of post cycle blood work.

[Black]

Exactly. Calories high through pct, continue HIT training, blood work 6-8 weeks after pct to see whether or not I've become an HRT candidate, and in the meantime, put together my next cycle beginning in May:

1-12 test prop 100mg/eod
1-12 NPP 100mg/eod
1-12 Masteron Prop 100mg/eod

Obviously everything else HCG, AI, PCT if not on HRT, prami, etc.

This will be my first time running mast, would also like some thoughts on the above dosage. I had great results off my current cycle at relatively low dosage. Will need to reduce body fat prior to launching the cycle in order to get the best results from mast, so I will prime a few weeks prior to May.

I ran something similar to that a couple years ago, but for only 8 weeks. I loved it. I probably would've utilized the masteron more if I had been a tad leaner, but it still hardened me up. I really like NPP, probably my favorite compound next to test.

[Igifuno]

I ran something similar to that a couple years ago, but for only 8 weeks. I loved it. I probably would've utilized the masteron more if I had been a tad leaner, but it still hardened me up. I really like NPP, probably my favorite compound next to test.

Thx for the feedback DD. Sounds like 8 wks is a good run, with a potential stretch to 10. Never used Mast, so I'm excited fort that.

[DCI]

Shoulders tonight for me was intense and heavy loved every min of it.

Fed off some normal people watching me do arnie presses was immense felt great lifted heavy and fast tonight was great. I'll run through it fast.

Started with seated hammer strength presses did two warms up, a feeler set then balls to the wall, fired out 8 hard slow reps with one forced then collapse my shoulders were on fire then a double drop of 8 reps and two negs was insane tbh.

BB plate shrugs two sets slow and controlled.

Arnie presses fried out one reallt heavy set for 9 good reps and two forced with one drop the burn was crazy, I was on fire, on a mission to destroy more and more weight.

Then side raises supersetted with front raises.

No cardio this week, but the last few weeks I have been doing alot of pre lifting visualiation and by fck does it work and I mean really work well

[kelkel]

When I first started cycling, I would only 2 cycles a year (long ester, 12-14 weeks). I started feeling really drained and strung out towards the 12 week mark and recovery, even on TRT, was slower it seemed. From then on, I started exclusively using short ester compounds. I felt with more frequent dosing, I could better maintain consistent blood levels and estrogen control. But most of all, short esters enabled me to do shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks. Now, I feel I recover better and don't feel 'beat up' towards the end of the cycle.

I've always followed 'time on=time off' AND blood work before I cycle again. 14 weeks after a 14 week cycle, I had blood work cause I was ready to run another one. Everything came back fine, except my Neurophils (sp?) Levels. I had to look it up. When these numbers are elevated, it indicates the body has been over stressed. They are usually elevated after a heart attack, surgery, etc. This worried me and I consulted my doctor. He listen to my heart and ran some tests, everything came back fine. He concluded it was probably a combination of lifting and not getting enough rest. Either way, it delayed me cycling again and made me further realize the importance of post cycle blood work.

Like hearing "smart" decisions like this.

[Igifuno]

Like hearing "smart" decisions like this.

Agree. Thanks for sharing Dante, good info.

[Cuz]

Man this damn adex is ripping my bones out of socket godamit it hurts after chest day lol

[michael30]

Sorry alittle off topic. Ive been following this thread and want to thank both marcus an kel for there time. I have realized without a doubt my training intensity has declined over the last year. Also i had to man up and be honest with myself. I was not lifting to true failure the last few months. But reading this thread has re-energized me to make the proper adjustments. And for that i thank you both!!!! Your dedication has help get me motivated again!

[Igifuno]

Sorry alittle off topic. Ive been following this thread and want to thank both marcus an kel for there time. I have realized without a doubt my training intensity has declined over the last year. Also i had to man up and be honest with myself. I was not lifting to true failure the last few months. But reading this thread has re-energized me to make the proper adjustments. And for that i thank you both!!!! Your dedication has help get me motivated again!

That's what it's all about michael30. Welcome and hope you stick around. What are your stats and goals? Any cycle history?

[kelkel]

Sorry alittle off topic. Ive been following this thread and want to thank both marcus an kel for there time. I have realized without a doubt my training intensity has declined over the last year. Also i had to man up and be honest with myself. I was not lifting to true failure the last few months. But reading this thread has re-energized me to make the proper adjustments. And for that i thank you both!!!! Your dedication has help get me motivated again!

It's a collective effort here michael! Glad you stopped lurking and posted up. This thread is full of great training ideas, motivation, nutritional advice and cheap humor! In other words, a great place to hang out.

Tell us a little more about yourself if you don't mind!

[Cuz]

Sorry alittle off topic. Ive been following this thread and want to thank both marcus an kel for there time. I have realized without a doubt my training intensity has declined over the last year. Also i had to man up and be honest with myself. I was not lifting to true failure the last few months. But reading this thread has re-energized me to make the proper adjustments. And for that i thank you both!!!! Your dedication has help get me motivated again!

not off topic at all. welcome to the dungeon bud..and remember.. Train like a beast=become a beast.

[Hazard]

I'm still around..... Seem to be making upper chest improvements nicely. I'm worn out after lifting. My days are so long I feel like collapsing when I get home. It takes some getting used to that's for sure

[kelkel]

Long days need quality nutrition and rest Haz.....

[Hazard]

Long days need quality nutrition and rest Haz.....

Yea man..... I'm getting a solid breakfast and lunch every day. Dinner of coarse is always good. Lots of rice and oats for me. 1lb of chicken at lunch.

It's the rest I'm struggling with..... Havin a hard time falling asleep before 12:30 and I gotta be up at 6.

[Cuz]

Yea man..... I'm getting a solid breakfast and lunch every day. Dinner of coarse is always good. Lots of rice and oats for me. 1lb of chicken at lunch.

It's the rest I'm struggling with..... Havin a hard time falling asleep before 12:30 and I gotta be up at 6.

Assuming your cals have decreased?

[kelkel]

Melatonin helps.

[Hazard]

I'm gunna buy a protein powder finally lol - I need it for between meals. I don't have the luxury of eatin at my own will anymore :-/

[Hazard]

Assuming your cals have decreased?

Not gunna lie..... I don't count em anymore. I eat until I'm full..... I just make sure I have enough food to do the trick

Weight is still 260

[kelkel]

Protein, bananas, nuts, etc. All help.

[Hazard]

Protein, bananas, nuts, etc. All help.

It'll be better when I'm bounty hunting all day long. For right now I'm stuck behind a computer. If I get caught eating snacks I'm fired :-/

[Cuz]

Not gunna lie..... I don't count em anymore. I eat until I'm full..... I just make sure I have enough food to do the trick

Weight is still 260

sounds good man, I know you know what you're doin

[michael30]

That's what it's all about michael30. Welcome and hope you stick around. What are your stats and goals? Any cycle history?

Thanks for the response. An you to kel. Im 34, 6'0 tall. When i cut i drop to 210 at 10% when i bulk i get up to 240-250lbs. I am on hrt and have done several cycles. When i started hrt 7yrs ago i was a mess and wieghed 328lbs. My goal is 225lbs at 10% bf and i will get there. Just gotta stay healthy.

[Java Man]

Wookie poop!

Ahh. Thought it was a chocolate frosty. Lol. No wonder chewy is looking guilty in the background.

[Black]

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Here is some relaxed and flexed shots one week into my cycle. I see improvements but more mass is needed, a lot more actally but im pleased thus far. been awhile since I posted so what the hell...
Took today over the kitchen sink lol, no filter, not photoshop, just actual image. I would never alter a photograph unless I wanted to make it in black and white, sometimes Ill do that.I think all these magazine pictrues are pure bullshit imo. I would look a lot better if I was "pumped" but we cant take our shirts off in the gym so I gotta do it myself, and my wife bitches about taking pics of me so I just use the timer on the phone and lay up against the wall.

Feel free to critique, you wont hurt my feelings ....ok well if its Marcus or Kel maybe...lol jk.

Arms and delts looking big buddy. How about your back and quads? Only reason I ask is I've heard that a big focus point that judges make in amateur shows.

[Black]

Agree. Thanks for sharing Dante, good info.

Definitely brother. I have some years of personal experience. Not much, but you never know when a bit of info may help someone.

[Igifuno]

If I get caught eating snacks I'm fired :-/

*seriously dislike*

[mockery]

Drop set triceps was alot of fun, my arms got huge but didnt have that annoying pump pain, stayed thick and hard for about 2 hours after the work out. and it was a fast work out, 20 minutes tops

mind you to do french press and skulls i turned into the "gym hoarder" having 3 different weights around. Looking forward to trying drop sets on shoulder/bi day later in the week.

[marcus300]

When I first started cycling, I would only 2 cycles a year (long ester, 12-14 weeks). I started feeling really drained and strung out towards the 12 week mark and recovery, even on TRT, was slower it seemed. From then on, I started exclusively using short ester compounds. I felt with more frequent dosing, I could better maintain consistent blood levels and estrogen control. But most of all, short esters enabled me to do shorter cycles of 6-8 weeks. Now, I feel I recover better and don't feel 'beat up' towards the end of the cycle.

I've always followed 'time on=time off' AND blood work before I cycle again. 14 weeks after a 14 week cycle, I had blood work cause I was ready to run another one. Everything came back fine, except my Neurophils (sp?) Levels. I had to look it up. When these numbers are elevated, it indicates the body has been over stressed. They are usually elevated after a heart attack, surgery, etc. This worried me and I consulted my doctor. He listen to my heart and ran some tests, everything came back fine. He concluded it was probably a combination of lifting and not getting enough rest. Either way, it delayed me cycling again and made me further realize the importance of post cycle blood work.

Very wise

[marcus300]

Sorry alittle off topic. Ive been following this thread and want to thank both marcus an kel for there time. I have realized without a doubt my training intensity has declined over the last year. Also i had to man up and be honest with myself. I was not lifting to true failure the last few months. But reading this thread has re-energized me to make the proper adjustments. And for that i thank you both!!!! Your dedication has help get me motivated again!

Welcome and enjoy the thread. Nice to see a lurker

Post some of your training routines lets see if any of us can help you

[marcus300]

I'm gunna buy a protein powder finally lol - I need it for between meals. I don't have the luxury of eatin at my own will anymore :-/

Its hard work eating all the required protein at your size sometimes we need to supplement it with powders especially if certain times when your working