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I have no personal experience with either. Nark, he may have a more solid knowledge base or personal reference to the matter.Originally Posted by ironmaiden708
I would think though, that since both are used mostly in recovery, that for the sake of my needs I would just use other lower GI a lower GI load carbs, such as recommended by this thread. Again, no personal experience to speak of, just giving my thoughts, as I have no way to compare the two.
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It's good to see you around N.
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pretty much looks like this
wake up 20min walk up the street and back
Meal-1 8Am
75-c
45-p
15-f
Goto Jiu-jitsu 11AM-12m
Meal 2
50-c
45-p
15-f
2pm Train Mon-Wed-Fri Weights Tues-Sprints
3pm meal 3
50-C
45-p
15-f
6:30PM
meal 4
25-c
45-p
15-f
Meal 5 b4 Bed 9;30-10pm
Green Veggies
45-pro
15-f
Sound good? and im considering PWO cardio on days i do it. and i also walk my dog about 40mins a day when i have the time
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Hello guys.
I've been out with a slipped disc.
I sustained it during a one-hour special I did with a local reporter for national television.
They came in and talked to me about obesity and lifestyle weight management.
I had to train a client during the slot as well.
Bah... Further details can be found on my site... So those of you who hang out there can check my thread in the rant forum.
Anyway, to all else... I'm back for now.
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Jeez, sorry Nark. Will stop by now and check in.
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Im a non-bodybuilding athlete and feel i need carbs, I weight train and do Jiu-jitsu both at high intensity my questions are.
1. is 80grams of fat a day to much for someone with a LBM of 155 who also consumes 200 grams of carbs?-im trying to lean out
2.Could i drop some fat and protein and up my carbs and still lean out?
3.If i weight train a couple hours after meal 1 should i still go low carbs to burn more fat?
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I believe we've answered this question (posed by you) a number of times for you in threads on this forum as well as my own.
Heck, I've deleted a couple of the repetitive posts.
So once again: Yes. Yes you can drop 'some fat and protein' and up your carbs and still lean out.
Have you been following this thread at all?
-CNS
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Nark, Being you seem to be the insulin authority I was wondering what your thoughts and opinions are on Glucophage?
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Glucophage is right up there on my list of recommended GDAs.
I don't use it anymore personally (as I have my own GDA protocol), but a number of my clients do utilize said compound.
Great for carb-cycling, or insulin-sensitization/priming phases.
Heck, it's great while bulking when combined with insulin.
The latter practice requires either a lot of experience or supervision however.
-CNS
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hey nark, wanted to run someone by you.. see how you feel about it..
we all know that people seem to be effected by tren when it comes down to their stamina, especialy with cardio....
since im on tren as we speak, i'v done alotta research on the compound...
iv found, through this research, that tren supresses t3 production by your thyroids and its recommended that you should take 25mcg to combat this..
since t3 has a direct corelation with atp and increases apt production, wouldn't this be at least a majority of the cause for the decrease in stamina...
i ask because when i started to do tren about 4 weeks ago, i felt my stamina start to go down... a week ago i started t3 at 50mcg ed and the stamina issues has almost completely disappeared... i still have tren cough and im sure that doesn't help with stamina, but i was wondering how you felt about my theory...
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Cool.
Tren's never affected my stamina personally.
It's impossible to draw cause and association like this.
Tren doesn't affect one system only... it affects a number of them... including neurotransmitters.
The latter consideration may affect stamina.
Maybe related... maybe unrelated.
Maybe related, but in a manner not limited to your description.
Who knows?
-CNS
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thx alot nark!Cool.
Tren's never affected my stamina personally.
It's impossible to draw cause and association like this.
Tren doesn't affect one system only... it affects a number of them... including neurotransmitters.
The latter consideration may affect stamina.
Maybe related... maybe unrelated.
Maybe related, but in a manner not limited to your description.
Who knows?
-CNS
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Nark would you mind posting your response here as well?
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ygpm.
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Polyphenols Found in Cinnamon Mimic Insulin
Insulin Imitators: Polyphenols Found in Cinnamon Mimic Job of Hormone
By Rosalie Marion Bliss
Agricultural Research Service Information Staff.
ARS scientists and colleagues have isolated and characterized several polyphenolic polymer compounds from cinnamon bark that could one day become natural ingredients in products aimed at lowering blood sugar levels.
The newly identified chemical structures were recently named in a patent application and described in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. ARS chemist Richard A. Anderson co-authored the study with colleagues at the Beltsville (Maryland) Human Nutrition Research Center and two universities.
Impaired sugar and fat metabolism is present in millions of people and may lead to type-2 diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. In test tube assays using fat cells, the polyphenolic polymers were found to increase sugar metabolism a whopping 20-fold.
Insulin is a hormone made by the pancreas to regulate sugar metabolism. In people with type-2 diabetes, either the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin or the body is unable to use it correctly. Both conditions lead to unhealthy blood levels of sugar that would otherwise provide energy to muscles.
During a decade of efforts to find natural compounds that could help maintain normal blood sugar levels, the scientists tested several components of cinnamon. The newly characterized chemical structures are closely related to a previously reported chemical derivative of cinnamon, MHCP?methylhydroxychalcone polymer. The researchers also tested scores of other plant extracts, but none displayed insulin-enhancing activity near that of cinnamon.
"These new compounds increase insulin sensitivity by activating key enzymes that stimulate insulin receptors, while inhibiting the enzymes that deactivate them," says Anderson, who is with the Nutrient Requirements and Functions Laboratory.
"Polyphenols are known for their antioxidant, anticancer, and anti-inflammatory functions, but they have not been commonly known to improve insulin function," he says. "The polyphenolic polymers in cinnamon bark have antioxidant effects, which may provide synergistic benefits to persons with various forms of diabetes."
Another recently published human research study from the team showed considerable improvements in glucose and fat metabolism in volunteers who followed a diet that included modest amounts of table cinnamon for 40 days.
Table cinnamon is made from cinnamon bark and contains both water-soluble and fat-soluble compounds. Fat-soluble compounds may accumulate in the body if ingested over a long period. At this time, there is no data on potential effects of long-term ingestion of table cinnamon. But the newly defined chemical structures noted above are isolated from water extracts of cinnamon and appear to be nontoxic in any quantity, according to Anderson.
This research is part of Human Nutrition, an ARS National Program (#107) described on the World Wide Web at www.nps.ars.usda.gov.
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« on: December 16, 2008,
Insulin Imitators: Polyphenols Found in Cinnamon Mimic Job of Hormone
By Rosalie Marion Bliss
Agricultural Research Service Information Staff.
ARS scientists and colleagues have isolated and characterized several polyphenolic polymer compounds from cinnamon bark that could one day become natural ingredients in products aimed at lowering blood sugar levels.
The newly identified chemical structures were recently named in a patent application and described in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. ARS chemist Richard A. Anderson co-authored the study with colleagues at the Beltsville (Maryland) Human Nutrition Research Center and two universities.
Impaired sugar and fat metabolism is present in millions of people and may lead to type-2 diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. In test tube assays using fat cells, the polyphenolic polymers were found to increase sugar metabolism a whopping 20-fold.
Insulin is a hormone made by the pancreas to regulate sugar metabolism. In people with type-2 diabetes, either the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin or the body is unable to use it correctly. Both conditions lead to unhealthy blood levels of sugar that would otherwise provide energy to muscles.
During a decade of efforts to find natural compounds that could help maintain normal blood sugar levels, the scientists tested several components of cinnamon. The newly characterized chemical structures are closely related to a previously reported chemical derivative of cinnamon, MHCP?methylhydroxychalcone polymer. The researchers also tested scores of other plant extracts, but none displayed insulin-enhancing activity near that of cinnamon.
"These new compounds increase insulin sensitivity by activating key enzymes that stimulate insulin receptors, while inhibiting the enzymes that deactivate them," says Anderson, who is with the Nutrient Requirements and Functions Laboratory.
"Polyphenols are known for their antioxidant, anticancer, and anti-inflammatory functions, but they have not been commonly known to improve insulin function," he says. "The polyphenolic polymers in cinnamon bark have antioxidant effects, which may provide synergistic benefits to persons with various forms of diabetes."
Another recently published human research study from the team showed considerable improvements in glucose and fat metabolism in volunteers who followed a diet that included modest amounts of table cinnamon for 40 days.
Table cinnamon is made from cinnamon bark and contains both water-soluble and fat-soluble compounds. Fat-soluble compounds may accumulate in the body if ingested over a long period. At this time, there is no data on potential effects of long-term ingestion of table cinnamon. But the newly defined chemical structures noted above are isolated from water extracts of cinnamon and appear to be nontoxic in any quantity, according to Anderson.
This research is part of Human Nutrition, an ARS National Program (#107) described on the World Wide Web at www.nps.ars.usda.gov.
sounds alot like what chromium picolinate is supposed to do...except potentially safer
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Similar and dissimilar.
btw... re: Chromium picolinate.
Switch to Chromium polynicotinate.
Toxicity = nil.
After over a decade of high-dose Chromium picolinate use... I've switched to polynicotinate (brand name "ChromeMate") exclusively.
-C
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I have two good cuttin agents and one to make you gain lean hard muscle but i am 225 pounds and i am 5'9 i used to workout alot but have been out of it a while i am looking to lose fat and gain muscle any good diet plans to follow like what to eat and how many meals a day . I just need someone to give advice on how to diet never had to when i played 2 sports in college
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Yo Nark and Nova......the other night my girl came over with this cayenne pepper all natural hot sauce and i used it on my turkey burgers......this shit was amazing. Ingredients are simply cayenne peppers, onion powder, and salt. Sodium is 200mg's a tbs....i stay away from high sodium but a tablespoon mixed with my ground turkey seemed to add a nice kick to it. Was just wondering your opinion on this spice.....heres some interesting facts i found on them.
"Cayenne peppers will increase your blood flow almost instantly, bringing in new oxygen to your body's vital organs, muscles, and tissues, and, at the same time, carrying away toxic wastes from these same areas in its return flow."
I thought this statement was impressive.......especially pertaining to a bodybuilding lifestyle.
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Ah... You've uncovered yet another secret.
Cayenne is one of my mainstays.
Not because of the other touted effects... but rather because it may act as a GDA.
For this reason, I keep it and other herbs/spices in my diet year round.
I cook with cayenne pepper just about daily.
Let me hit you with some reading material.
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Ah... You've uncovered yet another secret.
Cayenne is one of my mainstays.
Not because of the other touted effects... but rather because it may act as a GDA.
For this reason, I keep it and other herbs/spices in my diet year round.
I cook with cayenne pepper just about daily.
Let me hit you with some reading material.
Effects of chili consumption on postprandial glucose, insulin, and energy metabolism1,2,3
Kiran DK Ahuja, Iain K Robertson, Dominic P Geraghty and Madeleine J Ball 1 From the School of Human Life Sciences, University of Tasmania, Launceston, Australia
Background: Animal and some human studies have indicated that the consumption of chili-containing meals increases energy expenditure and fat oxidation, which may help to reduce obesity and related disorders. Because habitual diets affect the activity and responsiveness of receptors involved in regulating and transporting nutrients, the effects of regular consumption of chili on metabolic responses to meals require investigation.
Objective: The objective was to investigate the metabolic effects of a chili-containing meal after the consumption of a bland diet and a chili-blend (30 g/d; 55% cayenne chili) supplemented diet.
Design: Thirty-six subjects with a mean (±SD) age of 46 ± 12 y and a body mass index (in kg/m2) of 26.3 ± 4.6 participated in a randomized, crossover, intervention study with 2 dietary periods (chili and bland) of 4 wk each. The postprandial effects of a bland meal after a bland diet (BAB), a chili meal after a bland diet (CAB), and a chili meal after a chili-containing diet (CAC) were evaluated. Serum insulin, C-peptide, and glucose concentrations and energy expenditure (EE) were measured at fasting and up to 120 min postprandially.
Results: Significant heterogeneity was observed between the meals for the maximum increase in insulin and the incremental area under the curve (iAUC) for insulin (P = 0.0002); the highest concentrations were with the BAB meal and the lowest with the CAC meal. When separated at the median BMI (26.3), the subjects with a BMI26.3 also showed heterogeneity in C-peptide, iAUC C-peptide, and net AUC EE (P < 0.02 for all); the highest values occurred after the BAB meal and the lowest after the CAC meal. Conversely, the C-peptide/insulin quotient (an indicator of hepatic insulin clearance) was highest after the CAC meal (P = 0.002).
Conclusion: Regular consumption of chili may attenuate postprandial hyperinsulinemia.
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very good read.....i figured this stuff had positive effects rather then just clearing out my sinuses hahah.
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Sweet! Just finished my ground turkey and rice meal and was thinking it's about time I do something about how bland it is... :-)
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^^
It's truly great stuff.
Spices in general are!
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yeah i use alot of ms.dash salt free spices with everything i cook.....does the job.
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i wish i could print this entire thread out
without using a whole pack of printer paper
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Hell, if I could do that... I'd sell it as an e-book
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huh? e-books don't contain paper, so you could convert it to a pdf via adobe, copyright it and sell it i'm sureHell, if I could do that... I'd sell it as an e-book
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Sounds like a plan.
When should I start taking orders?
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Green tea inhibits fatty acid synthase
Epigallocatechin-3-gallate is a potent natural inhibitor of fatty acid synthase in intact cells and selectively induces apoptosis in prostate cancer cells.
Brusselmans K, De Schrijver E, Heyns W, Verhoeven G, Swinnen JV.
Laboratory for Experimental Medicine and Endocrinology, Department of Developmental Biology, Gasthuisberg, Catholic University of Leuven, Leuven, Belgium.
Chemical inhibitors of fatty acid synthase (FAS) inhibit growth and induce apoptosis in several cancer cell lines in vitro and in tumor xenografts in vivo. Recently the green tea component epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) was shown to act as a natural inhibitor of FAS in chicken liver extracts. Here we investigated whether EGCG inhibits FAS activity in cultured prostate cancer cells and how this inhibition affects endogenous lipid synthesis, cell proliferation and cell viability. The high levels of FAS activity in LNCaP cells were dose-dependently inhibited by EGCG and this inhibition was paralleled by decreased endogenous lipid synthesis, inhibition of cell growth and induction of apoptosis.
In contrast, epicatechin (EC), another closely related green tea polyphenolic compound, which does not inhibit FAS, had no effect on LNCaP cell growth or viability. Treatment of nonmalignant cells with low levels of FAS activity (fibroblasts) with EGCG led to a decrease in growth rate but not to induction of apoptosis. These data indicate that EGCG inhibits FAS activity as efficiently as presently known synthetic inhibitors and selectively causes apoptosis in LNCaP cells but not in nontumoral fibroblasts. These findings establish EGCG as a potent natural inhibitor of FAS in intact cells and strengthen the molecular basis for the use of EGCG as a chemopreventive and therapeutic antineoplastic agent.
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Effects of a medical food containing an herbal alpha-glucosidase inhibitor on postprandial glycemia and insulinemia in healthy adults.
Heacock PM, Hertzler SR, Williams JA, Wolf BW.
Department of Nutritional Sciences, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, New Brunswick, USA.
OBJECTIVE: To determine the effect of different doses of Salacia oblonga extract, an herbal alpha-glucosidase inhibitor, on postprandial glycemic, insulinemic, and breath hydrogen responses in healthy adults.
DESIGN: Double-masked, randomized crossover design.
INTERVENTION: Subjects, after fasting for 12 hours, consumed four test meals consisting of 480 mL of study beverage (14 g fat, 82 g carbohydrate, and 20 g protein) with 0, 500, 700, or 1,000 mg of S oblonga extract on four separate occasions. Capillary finger-prick plasma glucose and venous serum insulin concentrations were measured at baseline and for 2 hours postprandially. Breath hydrogen excretion was measured at baseline and hourly for 8 hours postprandially.
SUBJECTS/SETTING: Thirty-nine healthy, nondiabetic adults (body mass index=23.7+/-0.4, age=25.7+/-0.9 years.
STATISTICAL ANALYSES PERFORMED: Repeated-measures analysis of variance was applied to the raw data or data that had been transformed (log, rank) when necessary due to nonnormality. The Tukey-Kramer post hoc test was used for pairwise comparisons.
RESULTS: Compared with the control, the 1,000-mg S oblonga extract dose reduced the plasma glucose and serum insulin incremental areas under the curve (0 to 120 minutes postprandial) by 23% ( P =.32) and 29% ( P =.01), respectively. The other doses of S oblonga extract did not impact glycemia or insulinemia. Breath hydrogen excretion increased linearly as the dose of S oblonga extract was advanced.
CONCLUSIONS: The presence of S oblonga extract tended to lower postprandial glycemia and significantly reduced the postprandial insulin response. The increase in breath hydrogen excretion suggests a mechanism similar to prescription alpha-glucosidase inhibitors. Future studies of S oblonga extract in patients with diabetes are needed.
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Oxidative stress-induced insulin resistance in skeletal muscle cells is ameliorated by gamma-tocopherol treatment.
Singh I, Carey AL, Watson N, Febbraio MA, Hawley JA. Eur J Nutr. 2008 Sep 18.
Vitamin E is well known as a major dietary antioxidant. Both aerobic and resistance training result in increased oxidative stress. Therefore vitamin E represents a potential valuable supplement to mitigate the stress response to exercise. Almost all supplemental forms of vitamin E (also referred to as tocopherols) are the alpha form, although emerging research indicates that gamma tocohoperol may be the preferred form because in addition to fighting free radicals, it also has potent anti-inflammatory actions. However the effects of gamma tocopherol may go beyond an anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory according to results published by Australian researchers. They showed that muscle cells made insulin resistant had greater glucose uptake and improvements in insulin signaling when they were exposed to gamma tocopherol.
The result show gamma tocopherol is involved in more efficient disposal of glucose which is important for athletes to speed glycogen synthesis as well as non-athletes to help better manage blood sugar and insulin levels.
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^^What is the relevance of these studies?
Insulin sensitivity of course.
On this thread, we're constantly addressing the maintenance of such.
There're a number of supps which I use for just that... and a few which I otherwise believe have promise. So i'll be posting studies (et. al.) as I go along.
-CNS
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Nark im going to assume you do or you wouldnt have posted it, but in relation to vitamin E, and glucose uptake. would supplementing vitamin E in a person with a balanced diet and who was not deficient still benefit that person? if vitamin E is not the limiting factor in the rate of glucose uptake i dont see it be beneficial for that purpose. does that make sense?
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It isn't a matter of deficiency... but rather one of efficiency.
Muscles become resistant to insulin... It is a known fact.
Causes vary.
Age-related declines may be correlated.
Chronic over-eating may be correlated.
Athletes act like they are immune to such, but gym warriors, like most of society, are at risk for insulin resistance... to varying degrees.
Why?
Chronic over-eating... low fiber intake.
Whatever the cause, it manifests.
GDAs mitigate this to some degree.
Vitamin E appears to mitigate insulin resistance related to oxidative stress.
So, again... it isn't a matter of deficiency... but, rather, one of efficiency.
-CNS
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hey nark u missed me man.. could u answer my question on the top of this page??
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Which do you prefer Nark.I was a fat kid growing up so I'm pretty sensitive to carbs and I'm 3-4 weeks out from my contest prep simulation goal date16 weeks total.I thought the typical strategy was to get alot of fats and sugars and quick cookie carbs in a couple hrs before the stage but now I'm hearing about 2-3 day carb and water loading protocol's.Here's a slide of my progress.In the final pics by my ride I havent had more then 50g carbs each day for 3 days and that was my longest break in the training.I'm pretty flat,Plus in 1 back pose you'll notice that the ice and heat for 3 days took the inflamation completly out of my right lat that's why it looks undeveloped.http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=386605
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