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Not pissed, but you definitely give AAS users a bad wrap.Granted we know more now than back when you cycled, but a bad arap nontheless. I'm not sure why you would attach 200 lbs to your head, but thats another story. As for educated kids about AAS, not a bad idea at all. In fact anybody under 21 is strongly discouraged to use steroids on this board. Why would somebody need to compete if they wanted to use steroids? I don't think it's mandatory.Originally Posted by SVC
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You made me think,so if it's your goal
good job and thanx for the insight
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Encourage kids or take money from kids to use your diet methods or w/e the **** you do. 1) Why in the hell would you put 200 pounds of pressure on your neck? Sorry Mr. but that’s pretty stupid your just hurting your own body after your telling people to prevent hurting themselves.2) why don't you explain to everyone what your cycle consisted of and what kind of PCT you ran? 3) i also disagree with you when you said when you take steroids you loose everything but when you lift natural you keep it all. I get what your saying but you are misrepresenting steroids by saying that you loose everything.
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To be honest Todd...I am upset. I'm sick of people bad mouthing AS for their own personal gain. AS is not bad...people abusing them are. Guns don't kill...jack*sses using them do. Place the blame deservingly.
Priceless!? You are exploiting the people in this fear mongering society we live in. Do you not stand to profit from this? Absolutely you do! You "scare" people from using AS onto legal supplements ie) your products. "Listen up people and I will tell you the horror stories of AS." Why not just take a positive approach and say "Hey folks look what I can do naturally!" You are using a negative approach. You are being a spin doctor. Fortunately knowledgeable people see through your agenda and call bullsh*t.
Educate!? Bullsh*t! Your sermons are nothing but biased rhetoric. Did AS hurt your neck? No. I'm sorry that it happened (truly I am)...but you're at fault. Stop placing the blame on AS...point the finger at your own mistakes. Admit it. You messed up. You screwed yourself and now you have a chip on your shoulder. AS didn't make you do 200lb neck raises. What was with that!? However, in typical fashion today you seek escapism and place the blame away from yourself. Why is it so hard to say to yourself...I did this...not AS. You're not the victim of AS Todd...you're the victim of poor technique, knowledge, and judgment.
You're not a savior offering salvation...you're pitching your own hidden agenda. The facade has been lifted Todd. You hurt yourself...not AS.
Case closed.
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Touche'.To be honest Todd...I am upset. I'm sick of people bad mouthing AS for their own personal gain. AS is not bad...people abusing them are. Guns don't kill...jack*sses using them do. Place the blame deservingly.
Priceless!? You are exploiting the people in this fear mongering society we live in. Do you not stand to profit from this? Absolutely you do! You "scare" people from using AS onto legal supplements ie) your products. "Listen up people and I will tell you the horror stories of AS." Why not just take a positive approach and say "Hey folks look what I can do naturally!" You are using a negative approach. You are being a spin doctor. Fortunately knowledgeable people see through your agenda and call bullsh*t.
Educate!? Bullsh*t! Your sermons are nothing but biased rhetoric. Did AS hurt your neck? No. I'm sorry that it happened (truly I am)...but you're at fault. Stop placing the blame on AS...point the finger at your own mistakes. Admit it. You messed up. You screwed yourself and now you have a chip on your shoulder. AS didn't make you do 200lb neck raises. What was with that!? However, in typical fashion today you seek escapism and place the blame away from yourself. Why is it so hard to say to yourself...I did this...not AS. You're not the victim of AS Todd...you're the victim of poor technique, knowledge, and judgment.
You're not a savior offering salvation...you're pitching your own hidden agenda. The facade has been lifted Todd. You hurt yourself...not AS.
Case closed.
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SVC, I bet during that video when you showed the picture of you after steroids when you looked huge and ripped as hell, and heard them kids saying "WOW, Amazing, God..... I bet deep down you were a little happy to have them seeing you look so dam good. You only live once and you made some dumb mistakes and also I should mention you looked better than 99.99% of the poplulation walking around today will ever look like. lata
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I do agree with you, he did both to himself. He abused AS and he abused his body. I will not take away from him that he did work hard for his achievements, but by him not being upfront and not saying 100% the truth he will never be able to get the respect by people who know the truth and are educated on the subject(AS).To be honest Todd...I am upset. I'm sick of people bad mouthing AS for their own personal gain. AS is not bad...people abusing them are. Guns don't kill...jack*sses using them do. Place the blame deservingly.
Priceless!? You are exploiting the people in this fear mongering society we live in. Do you not stand to profit from this? Absolutely you do! You "scare" people from using AS onto legal supplements ie) your products. "Listen up people and I will tell you the horror stories of AS." Why not just take a positive approach and say "Hey folks look what I can do naturally!" You are using a negative approach. You are being a spin doctor. Fortunately knowledgeable people see through your agenda and call bullsh*t.
Educate!? Bullsh*t! Your sermons are nothing but biased rhetoric. Did AS hurt your neck? No. I'm sorry that it happened (truly I am)...but you're at fault. Stop placing the blame on AS...point the finger at your own mistakes. Admit it. You messed up. You screwed yourself and now you have a chip on your shoulder. AS didn't make you do 200lb neck raises. What was with that!? However, in typical fashion today you seek escapism and place the blame away from yourself. Why is it so hard to say to yourself...I did this...not AS. You're not the victim of AS Todd...you're the victim of poor technique, knowledge, and judgment.
You're not a savior offering salvation...you're pitching your own hidden agenda. The facade has been lifted Todd. You hurt yourself...not AS.
Case closed.
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Beautiful post MBH.To be honest Todd...I am upset. I'm sick of people bad mouthing AS for their own personal gain. AS is not bad...people abusing them are. Guns don't kill...jack*sses using them do. Place the blame deservingly.
Priceless!? You are exploiting the people in this fear mongering society we live in. Do you not stand to profit from this? Absolutely you do! You "scare" people from using AS onto legal supplements ie) your products. "Listen up people and I will tell you the horror stories of AS." Why not just take a positive approach and say "Hey folks look what I can do naturally!" You are using a negative approach. You are being a spin doctor. Fortunately knowledgeable people see through your agenda and call bullsh*t.
Educate!? Bullsh*t! Your sermons are nothing but biased rhetoric. Did AS hurt your neck? No. I'm sorry that it happened (truly I am)...but you're at fault. Stop placing the blame on AS...point the finger at your own mistakes. Admit it. You messed up. You screwed yourself and now you have a chip on your shoulder. AS didn't make you do 200lb neck raises. What was with that!? However, in typical fashion today you seek escapism and place the blame away from yourself. Why is it so hard to say to yourself...I did this...not AS. You're not the victim of AS Todd...you're the victim of poor technique, knowledge, and judgment.
You're not a savior offering salvation...you're pitching your own hidden agenda. The facade has been lifted Todd. You hurt yourself...not AS.
Case closed.
T
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I agree about the under 23 thing... in fact most of the guys here except the under 23'rs agree with you on that front. On the other end, I think your 30-something that tries out steroids for the first time is more likely use reasonable doses of steroids and perhaps even not be as crazy with the over the top workout regiment. Like your older 30 to 40 something is more like looking for the fountain of youth, one last chance to get muscular before getting old and often as a HRT doc told me once, these guys actually have a real medical need for testosterone supplementation.
On the other hand dude... your workout regiment is what caused those medical mishaps. You could have worked out longer and got to the same place, but had you done 200 lbs on the neck naturally I think the end result would be the same. As for the shoulder and hip thing, well those are classic injuries from Winstrol and Equipoise and very much in line with what we know about the steroids that cause drying of the bone joints so I dont see any reason to doubt your story.
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I agree about the under 23 thing... in fact most of the guys here except the under 23'rs agree with you on that front. On the other end, I think your 30-something that tries out steroids for the first time is more likely use reasonable doses of steroids and perhaps even not be as crazy with the over the top workout regiment. Like your older 30 to 40 something is more like looking for the fountain of youth, one last chance to get muscular before getting old and often as a HRT doc told me once, these guys actually have a real medical need for testosterone supplementation.
On the other hand dude... your workout regiment is what caused those medical mishaps. You could have worked out longer and got to the same place, but had you done 200 lbs on the neck naturally I think the end result would be the same. As for the shoulder and hip thing, well those are classic injuries from Winstrol and Equipoise and very much in line with what we know about the steroids that cause drying of the bone joints so I dont see any reason to doubt your story.
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I really dont think you are one to educate our future generations. The only reason you are allowed to is because you were a dumbass when doing your AAS and you got ****ed up because of it which has led you to be a "voice" that they (the public) are wiling to listen to, since you have views which are suported by the media... the government... and most of society. It honestly makes me sick to think that you think you are doing our future generations a favor.
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What Anabolic Steroids Did For Me
Presented by: Matt Alavi (short version)
I started lifting weights quite heavily at age 18 after my senior year in high school. I was 5’9 weighed about 155lbs and was about 9% body fat. I was a baseball player throughout high school, which kept me in pretty good shape.
After graduation, I quit baseball and decided to make weight lifting a full-time affair. I started reading Muscle Media 2000, a magazine geared towards “muscle heads” which soon became my bible. Lifting became quite an obsession; ditched work, skipped classes (college), blew off friends, all to eat and lift! I was very dedicated and determined to get big and strong just like all the guys in the muscle mag’s. Hell, these guys had the chicks, money and drove cool cars right! Big muscles are a sign of power! I knew that I had the potential to have the power! My magazines instructed me on how to eat, sleep, which supplements I “need” to take and how to train.
At the end of my 19th year, I weighed about 190lbs lean. I was benching over 280lbs for reps, and was shoulder shrugging about 500lbs, which I thought was pretty good at the time. Creatine started becoming very popular at my gym and MM 2000 raved about it! I immediately went out and bought a bottle. I took creatine and some aminos for a while on and off, and by age 20, I broke 200lbs, and my strength gains were still climbing. Here I started to develop a small belly, due to all the domestic beer and eating every two hours, I suppose. I made a pact with myself, I would get up to 210lbs and then stop there. Well at 215lbs, I said only five more pounds and a hundred more on bench and I’ll be satisfied. However, at this time it was too late, I was going up fast, and nothing could stop me! I was convinced with the help from my magazine buddies, that I could not afford to lose any muscle. I spent so much time building it, there’s no way I’m going to lose it!
Pretty soon I was given the nick name Girth. Then at age 22 and 260lbs, people referred to me as ‘little Dorian”, claimed from the monster pro bodybuilder Dorian Yates.
I became a power-lifter between age 20 and 22. I was lifting more weight and was bigger than most guys in the gym, including the ones on roids. I was huge, but I didn’t look the way I wanted to look. I wanted to be ripped. I still looked small in the mirror and felt a bit inferior. I was stronger than most everyone around me, benching close to 500lbs, squatting about 800lbs, and leg pressing the sled loaded with plates and a 150lb kid standing on the top!! Yeah, did it all with the help of just creatine, aminos, protein shakes, weight gainers, HMB, various other supplements, a whole lot of hard work, and lots of food! But now it was time to get ripped! Around this time a bunch of Ephedra based weight loss products started becoming popular. Products like Metaform Heat, Ultimate Orange, and the new one – Hydroxycut, all were being raved about in all the muscle mags. Man oh man, that Metaform Heat was powerful, before they took it off the market five times! That stuff made me fly through my workouts!
I took some of these “cutters” for a few months. Hey, they were all natural! They can’t be that bad!
After strict dieting, training and months of herbal speed, I was almost ripped at 210lbs, with very little body fat. I felt like crap though. I was pretty over-trained and too dehydrated from all the dieting. **** it! Everyone around me was “juicing” and not training half as hard as me. My roommate and all my other gym comrades were all ripped and doing it with ease! All the magazines and roid head writers glorified the power of steroids. “Roids will give any person the edge they are looking for”. If the juice is done right, you can have the body of your dreams. Hey, the pro athletes that I knew, were doing it, and they were achieving stardom! I wanted to experience the power of the “juice”. Just a little boost, and I’ll be fine. One early evening I took my first shot of Testosterone Suspension, at age 23 and 210lbs lean. The next morning I was about 213lbs, and a lot leaner! How the hell is that possible! My muscles were so much harder, and I looked more cut up! I immediately went to the gym and had a fantastic workout. I felt great! Just in one day. This being, because Test Suspension is water based which gets into the system quickly. I became convinced and determined at that moment, that I would complete a cycle of steroids. Continuation of my cycle consisted of ditching the Suspension, and replacing it with Testosterone Cypionate, Testosterone Enanthate, Deca, Primobolan, Novadex and Clenbeuterol, all staggered within a four month period. I went from 213lbs to 225lbs, ripped, I mean ripped! My strength and size went through the roof. Although I never got as strong as when I was 260lbs.
My muscles were tearing my workout shirts! I was never sore, and my joints felt great! I had a muscle pump all the time, and my workouts were cake! The owner of the gym I trained at asked if he could sponsor me for the upcoming Powerhouse Classic bodybuilding competition. I said yes.
Then something weird started to happen. The power I had achieved, the power that I spent thousands of dollars and years trying to achieve just freaking took over! I became a sort of monster. Everything pissed me off, my dog, family, friends, TV, everything! I broke things, everything. I was so **** powerful. I could throw anyone around. No one could mess with me! I hated everything. Anger and destruction took over.
I looked around one day in the gym, and I saw what I had been blinded to before. Almost everyone in the gym was using steroids. The girls the guys, the freaking kids! And they all looked like crap! My roid buddies all were messed up physically and mentally. They were abusive in their relationships, abused alcohol and drugs, were extremely paranoid, had no conscience when it came to selling steroids to teens, and had all sorts of health problems. I looked around, for the first time in my gym life, I really looked around.
My God, I was becoming just like everyone else. I faced myself in the mirror and saw a person I didn’t know. I felt like crap, mentally and physically. I had to stop using steroids right then and there. I did. I started to lose weight and strength rapidly. Every joint in my body hurt bad. My appetite was gone. Patches of hair were left on my pillow. I consulted my “friends”; most of their words of wisdom had to do with taking more steroids. Yeah right. One buddy just starting his third cycle in the same year said “dude, you just gotta stay on the juice!” He is no longer around by the way.
I stopped using roids in late July of 1998 at 225lbs. By November of 1998 I had lost about 15lbs and looked a bit fatter. I had my brother take some pic’s of me at this time because I knew that I would never look that way again. I felt horrible. By January of 1999 I had lost so much strength and weighed 185lbs. By April of 1999 I weighed 170lbs, and could barely look at myself in the mirror. I couldn’t train, sleep, eat or do anything for that matter. My eyes were sunken in my head, my skin looked like it was falling off my bones, my body hurt terribly, and I was horribly depressed.
What the hell happened to me!! That power that I once had, remember, the power that I spent my freaking life and life savings trying to achieve, was ripped from me completely, plus some! I had no strength or vitality left in me at all, and I was only 24 freaking years old! All the **** roid head writers or know it all roid users had no answers for me now! They told me what **** supplements to take and what steroids are the best, but what about when you get sick. What happens when the god ****ed steroids kill you. What do you take then? None of these bastards have any answers or are willing to help now.
In April of 2000 I weighed 163lbs was 5’7, yes two inches shorter, and surprises just kept on coming. Now, not only did I have no strength, couldn’t digest food, had pains all over my body, was consumed by depression, had constant thoughts of suicide, and continued to lose weight, but now my skin looked yellow, there were muscle twitches all over my body, and I couldn’t sleep more than 2 hours a night! Oh yeah, my hormone levels were basically non-existent.
By the end of February 2001 I had visited over a dozen doctors and spent thousands upon thousands of dollars trying to get my body back to some sort of normalcy. Nothing and nobody would help me.
Finally, in 2003, after seeking out every medical, non-medical, and self treatment I could, I started to regain some energy. I began to attempt to exercise again. Once a week, then twice and up to three times per week. Every workout was painfully horrible. I would periodically have bouts of weight loss, digestive problems and pain that would limit me from exercising or doing day- to- day activities, but I pushed myself. I still push myself, everyday. And I still have muscle twitches, weight fluctuations, and pains. My liver has a cyst on it, is painful sometimes, and my digestion is way out of whack. The list goes on.
I guess I’m lucky. Some of my friends are in jail, look worse and feel worse than I do, and some aren’t around anymore to discuss their mistakes, or waste their time writing stories like this one.
In my quest to get healthy again, I began my studies of the endocrine system, medicine, and everything there is to know about steroids. My studies lead me down a different path, which has shown me how lucky I really am, to know what I know now. However, there is not a day that goes by that I wish I never made that mistake of using steroids. Not ONE day!
Passage 03/08/2005: This is a short version of a story I wrote in 2003, a few years after doing steroids. Several things have been left out due to protecting privacy of others, and explicit content. This story is just a brief overview of what four months of steroids did for me.
Anabolic steroids gave me strength, muscles, power, rage, depression, false sense of confidence, hair loss, and so on. What they took from me; my life as I knew it and what it could have been. It stole my youth, health, natural genetic potential, money, pride, confidence, and left me with side effects that I have battled with for over 7 years. Great deal, uh. Wow, four months of roids for seven years of pain!!! I hope to God, that the youth of today do not mimic the mistakes of the pro athletes ahead of them, who use drugs in order to pursue stardom. Instead strive for innate excellence and excellence shall be achieved indefinitely, use drugs to achieve excellence and excellence will only be achieved using drugs; which will surely end in destruction of the athlete.
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I agree with Carlos E about synthol...a synthed up guy is the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
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sorry for the newbie question but what does synthol make u look like?It was in a post yesterday and i was just wondering.
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That first pic is hilarious the guys arms are bigger than his head
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I have been around juice and body builders and powerlifters for around six years now. I have never heard of anyone doing 13 different injectables or doing anykind of neck exercise (not machines) with 200 pounds. This guy isn't messed up because of steroids he's messed up because he took it to the extreme. There is no point of taking that much that fast at the same time. After a certain amount your body starts converting the testosterone to estrogen. He's lucky he didn't have a heart attack along time ago. A shoulder and hip replacements should be the last of his worries. If he did all that he did he's lucky he didn't kill himself.
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My heart rate has never been the same since the first time I used steroids. I now have arrhythmia which is sporadic (heart races then slows down) and my resting pulse is now 85, prior to cycling it was 60.
All you guys are a lot more knowledgeable than I was 20 years ago. I didn't have the resources you do. 20 years ago everyone thought MORE was better. Most guys including me trained at least 3 hours per day 6 days per week. PUSH - LEGS - PULL (each twice a week) Mon & Thur (chest, shoulders & tris) Tues & Fri (legs) Wed & Sat (back & bis). It wasn't until the early 90's that Mike Mentzer brought to light the fact that more isn't better... and most started training 3 times per week.
20 years ago there were guys in the gym injecting 10cc's of TE at a time (2000 mg) and taking 5 A50's per day, so I thought I was doing things in moderation. As I mentioned before my SGOT's never went over 50. Speaking of SGOT's, best discovery since the wheel, MILK THISTLE EXTRACT (silymarin), regenerates your liver. It can be found at Walmart, 180 capsules - $10. If you insist on cycling I would highly recommend it!
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everything else aside bro,since you were one of a few who ever achive that pro bodybuilder look,do us all a favor and give us some insight on the "REAL" dosages that are needed to achieve that look...diet,training and cardio aside.
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I would be interested to see one of your cycles myself....
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First of all your video was very educational and I am sorry for what has happened to your health. There are a lot of closed minded and cold people in this world as you have seen on this forum. Hopefully you ignore negativity. I don't critisize or judge anything you have done concerning your use of steroids or your training. I'm 41 years old and I too have had injuries from the use of steroids over the years although not nearly as bad as yours. When you were in your prime using steroids everything back then was more is better like you said. Everybody trained each body part twice a week several hours a day. Yes, you went to extremes with your training but anybody that wants to be his best usually does. Young people today have more resources to do research on steroids. Something we didn't have in our 20's. Hopefully with your video and seminars you can make young people aware of the mistakes you made and they can learn from them. Hopefully something good can come from your misfortune. I respect your courage and honesty and wish you the best.
QUOTE=SVC]My heart rate has never been the same since the first time I used steroids. I now have arrhythmia which is sporadic (heart races then slows down) and my resting pulse is now 85, prior to cycling it was 60.
All you guys are a lot more knowledgeable than I was 20 years ago. I didn't have the resources you do. 20 years ago everyone thought MORE was better. Most guys including me trained at least 3 hours per day 6 days per week. PUSH - LEGS - PULL (each twice a week) Mon & Thur (chest, shoulders & tris) Tues & Fri (legs) Wed & Sat (back & bis). It wasn't until the early 90's that Mike Mentzer brought to light the fact that more isn't better... and most started training 3 times per week.
20 years ago there were guys in the gym injecting 10cc's of TE at a time (2000 mg) and taking 5 A50's per day, so I thought I was doing things in moderation. As I mentioned before my SGOT's never went over 50. Speaking of SGOT's, best discovery since the wheel, MILK THISTLE EXTRACT (silymarin), regenerates your liver. It can be found at Walmart, 180 capsules - $10. If you insist on cycling I would highly recommend it![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Muscleone]First of all your video was very educational and I am sorry for what has happened to your health. There are a lot of closed minded and cold people in this world as you have seen on this forum. Hopefully you ignore negativity. I don't critisize or judge anything you have done concerning your use of steroids or your training. I'm 41 years old and I too have had injuries from the use of steroids over the years although not nearly as bad as yours. When you were in your prime using steroids everything back then was more is better like you said. Everybody trained each body part twice a week several hours a day. Yes, you went to extremes with your training but anybody that wants to be his best usually does. Young people today have more resources to do research on steroids. Something we didn't have in our 20's. Hopefully with your video and seminars you can make young people aware of the mistakes you made and they can learn from them. Hopefully something good can come from your misfortune. I respect your courage and honesty and wish you the best.
For one thing how old were you when you started AS and are you still doing it today? Another what did your cycles look like? It would be hard to judge because we know nothing about your previous history and you possibly ABUSING AS or not! What type of injuries have you suffered? And what Todd is doing is he is lying to people not "teens" about AS. You don't think older people watch the movies "hey we did".
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i think the guy should be speaking against ppl being stupid frickin morons not against using gear. i mean cummon what a f*ckin tard. he should get tard of the century for how dumb he was at using gear. im kinda new to the game and i know i'll never be that frickin dumb .....he should have closed his speech with "deerrreeerreerrr im dahhh waaaater boooooy ......derrrerrreerrrr"
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Yup.
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He competed for years. Winner of the 1988 MR. USA. I seen him yesterday and he is still in the greasest shape of his life. Obviously that guy in the video was not doing something right. If you need great advice you need
John Defendis
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Everything in moderation, obviously abusing anything to that extent will harm you
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this dude just couldn't hang, thats all
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amazing... mrrry Xmas
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Bro's wondering if SVC is coming back? MAybe on x-mas vacation.
I want to as him a few more queistions..
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Had to take some time away to get some work done...
What are your questions Decakar?
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Im a newbie...and i have done some stupid things....my first 2 cycles first had no PCT and the second only used HCG....it was before i reseacrhed....Im 19 ...and i im doin another one soon but CORRECTLY... This guy obviously took steroids for YEARS on end....wiht little breaks to do that much damage beyond your body's own repair..... all a movie like that does is try to scare [B]kids like me into thinking that my lower back is killing me right now as i write this Post
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I'd like to add....
AS use is what you make of it. You said yourself SVC, abuse of anything will harm you. Like lifting WAY too much weight for your body. Your body, by my guess, before juicing was ectomorphic. Small frame, light weight. You added the size with AS but what about your bones? Joints? They weren't used to lifting that extreme of weight (ex: 700lbs. + squat for reps) Your did it to yourself man!!
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I am still trying to picture someone using 200lbs for his neck and now he claims limited range of motion. DUH!! Besides I am not sure its possible ,but I am surely am not going to find out.
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I sent this guy the link to this thread through his email address, so yes I do beleive it is him.
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That was great boss, put a clown down on his ass. lol peace
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i think this guy is full of sh.t he use to be on the juice looked good, then became a crack head and lost his size, now he is talking nonsense.
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