What do you mean? Isnt it true that just a mild dose of test will help the body burn fat something like 14 times faster? I know that ultimately a good diet and cardio play a role in fat loss but couldnt you see where somebody with half ass training on gear could look the same as somebody who works harder without it? And you cant tell me no because many top amateurs and pros dont eat as clean as they'd like you to think, or train as hard as they say.Originally Posted by JohnnyB