IGF question for Jhonny B and Pinn

[Triposinator]

I'm a bit suprised MR hasn't brought forward the results of an idependent lab test of their LR3 product myself.

This would have several advantages for them.

3-Why arent the producers or sellers that we know are around and reading this chime in? This isnt the first thread of its kind?

[ajfina]

I'm a bit suprised MR hasn't brought forward the results of an idependent lab test of their LR3 product myself.

This would have several advantages for them.

Im wondering why?

[Triposinator]

Why? What do you mean?
- Why would it be advantageous for them to prove the
content of their product?

or

- Why haven't they?

Im wondering why?

[IBdmfkr]

Why? What do you mean?
- Why would it be advantageous for them to prove the
content of their product?

or

- Why haven't they?

Obviously they can't prove sht, seeing as there are No lab reports that I have seen proving otherwise.

[ajfina]

Why? What do you mean?
- Why would it be advantageous for them to prove the
content of their product?

or

- Why haven't they?

yes Why haven't they?
we r waiting for something MR? or omega?

[redmuscle3]

I got a few random things to say.

1-Hasnt igf been around forever why does everyone care so much now. I remember reading about it years and years ago and how it was the blame for everyones extended gut. I think it was in a bill phillips(whoever ran that body make over thing and gave out corvets) book about how it was responsable for all the guts. So why bring it back and why is it blowing up now?

2- Theres a lot of big companys that make gh that we love there products so much and trust them so much, why do we question there igf? Then to get to the bottom if its not igf what is it? If they can make hgh why couldnt they make igf?

3-Why arent the producers or sellers that we know are around and reading this chime in? This isnt the first thread of its kind?

4-Like pinn said its good to see people with no ties opinions. Personally Im going to run some igf my self hopefully soon from a chinese powder source and get blood work done and see what happens. But the time sometime next 2 months I get to do this I will have been juice free for over 9 months and taking igf only at 80mcg. So I can form my own opinion cause you never know till ya did it yourself.

THanks for listiening to me ramble.

Well first you are not rambling (although Pinn might dissagree)...those r good questions...here is my take on the answere :

1. IGF-1 has been around a long time, but (1) not IGF-1R3 and (2) not at prices regulare guys can afford...

IGF-1, when it first came out..made HGH look cheep (thats what i remember)...This new varient IGF-1r3 lasts substantially longer, and can be purchased by most guys at prices ranging from 50-250 per 1mg, and is now cheaper to use than HGH....Hence the new interest by a new class of users....but with respect to a new varient of the natural IGF. The fact that its legal and can be purchased with a CC also adds to its wide spread use currently.

2. Established companies that make IGF-1 are not untrusted by reasonable peaple. I said REASONABLE PEAPLE, ie not PIN. IGF-1 r3 has a patent on it, which is held by one company and this company whants (1) u to buy just its IGF-1 for "research" at a nice price mind u but (2) does not want to be liable if u kill or harm yourself somehow using it.(enlarged heart, facial deformations, etc..)....so it puts out that PR BS about only its stuff being real igf-1r3 and that crap about it being poison, and cousing muscle attrophy etc. without proper clinical back up - to cover its ass.....It can be sued by you..[in the absense of clinical trial on humans to that effect those assertions are not really credible, I think it knows this-and expects the illegal users of IGF-1 to ignore its statements about the ineffectivness and toxicity of igf-1r3 ].


The Patent holder is trying to stop the Chinese from taking over vertually the entire market for IGF-1 r3, by espossing all IGF-1 is crap except for its own. Thats obviouse to me.

CHINA does not abide by international copywright laws...under Chines law I believe its companies are free to manufacture IGF-1 without having to pay royalities to the international Patent holder...This pisses the patent holder off...and the patent holder is behind the BS (that gullible guys like PIN believe) that all Chinese stuff is crap...regardless of how reputable the manufacturer is.....the Chinese stuff is damn cheap, damn good - and cuts in on their profits -ouchies!!! Hence the PR email to PINN espousing all IGF-1 purchased (except the patent holder's) is bogus.

3. The Chines producers like GenSci - are ligitimate, have international subs and web cites...and remember GenSci is a HUGE company listed in the Chinese stock exchanges and in the European exchanges I believe and IGF-1 r3 is just one little product it manufactures out of thousands....ITS NOT THAT MATERIAL TO ITS OVERALL OPERATIONS....

When u buy GenSci stuff it tells u in small print details - what it does, what its used for, how much to take...HOW THEY MADE IT (through recombinent RNA). etc...well at least the instructions i got with my GenSci HGH did...and I am sure its IGF does too...it is liable for those clinical assertions in countries it ligitimately sells that product...Eastern Europe, China, etc...

This BS bought into by PINN and his cronies above - is not really credible for one, CONSIDER ITS SOURCE, HAS NO CLINICAL TRIALS TO BACK IT UP and has not cut into their (Chinese) businesses - thats one reason why the Chinese dont do nothing. The Patent holder on the other hand obviously is trying to do something about the situation (the Chinese taking over its market for IGF-1 r3) - by issuing that BS PR Pinn sooooo gulibly believed....

Also GenSci (etc) is a ligitimate company and the concerns voiced above are illigitimate concerns (by peaple using IGF for illegal non medical purposes ....if GenSci where to actively go after an illegal market - it would look real bad and cheesy - and compromise its other business).

Having an MBA this is kinda self evedent to me...its all about money, profit and market share - wake up and smell the green stuff....

4. PINN obviously has some ties to the patent holder...he corrisponds with them by email how maney of us do that? ...their is something there going on between PINN and the Patent holder...a bit too chumsy for my tast... and he hates all things Chineses apparently....looks like...

Thats my two cents on your questions...

Well i dont have time to edit the above, or to spell check (will do that latter) for now i think anyone with a half decent intent can make out what this poor immigrant boy has to say....

[Pinnacle]

4. PINN obviously has some ties to the patent holder...he corrisponds with them by email how maney of us do that? ...their is something there going on between PINN and the Patent holder...a bit too chumsy for my tast... and he hates all things Chineses apparently....looks like...

.

Anyone can contact Gropep just as I have done.I was simply in search of answers in regards to LR3 as many other people are as well.
Your continuing accusations/attacks on me won't be tolerated any further.I was simply throwing ideas out there for discussion.That's it,nothing more.

Chose your words wisely in the future and be careful of accusations you make upon people.You see where I'm going with this?

Tread litely....

~Pinnacle~

[redmuscle3]

I will question what ever i want dumn shitt...

..YOUR RELATIONS WITH THE PATENT HOLDER ARE SUBJECT TO QUESTIONS AND I AM RAISING THEM..YOU BOUGHT INTO THAT CRAP WAY TOO EASILY.....and THAT IS RIGHT I DONT TRUST YOU.

INDEPENTENT? ..what are your relations with the patent holder? HAVE U EVER HAD A BUSINESS INTEREST IN THEIR PRODUCT?

So what is the email address for the patent holder so we all can corrispond with them? and maybe get those studies tht they cite....

And dont threaten me jackass...GET WHERE I AM GOING....

What is this the new improved PIN? WHAT NO NAME CALLING?, NO INSULTS?, NO SNOTTY UPPITY COMMITS? NO **** U ICONS? JUST THREATS?!!!!!! ----

OHHHHH I AM SOOOOOOO SCARED......U STARTED THIS NASTY CRAP WITH ME - MR. SNOT NOSE - U JUST CANT CALL IT OFF...IF U WANT TO OPPLOGIZE YOU MAY - BUT UNTILL THEN U ARE JUST A SNOT NOSED ASS TO ME AND I SUJEST U AVOID MY POSTS COUSE I WONT HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT U ...AND YES I FIND YOUR COMMENTS SUSPCIOUS AS TO UNDERLYING MOTIVES.....I NOT GONNA HIDE THAT...HERE OR ANYWHERE. GOT IT?

[Pinnacle]

I will question what ever i want dumn shitt...

..YOUR RELATIONS WITH THE PATENT HOLDER ARE SUBJECT TO QUESTIONS AND I AM RAISING THEM..YOU BOUGHT INTO THAT CRAP WAY TOO EASILY.....and THAT IS RIGHT I DONT TRUST YOU.

INDEPENTENT? ..what are your relations with the patent holder? HAVE U EVER HAD A BUSINESS INTEREST IN THEIR PRODUCT?

So what is the email address for the patent holder so we all can corrispond with them? and maybe get those studies tht they cite....

And dont threaten me jackass...GET WHERE I AM GOING....

www.gropep.com

No threat what so ever.I'm merely making a statement.This will be my last correspondence with you.Personal attacks on this board are not tolerated.It's quite obvious you've breached this rule already.Care to continue your attacks on me?Slander..Make unfounded accusations?
It's not like you contribute to the board,but have chosen to make personal attacks on me soley.

Can't say it was nice knowing you.

Good day..


~Pinnacle~

[AnabolicAndre]

Redmuscle I understood what you are trying to say! But WHY ARE YOU SO POOR WITH SPELLING?

Someone gave you an MBA?

[Triposinator]

Someone gave you an MBA?

[oswaldosalcedo]

LR3 sold out from gropep,asfbio,prospec is bogus
is effective ,who know?
have to be buyed from gropep.

[rodge]

i asked earlyer to keep this a decent thread but since this is getting more and more out of hand i'm putting a lock on it.

-rodge

[SwoleCat]

I also believe redmuscle or deadmuscle/no hustle, whatever, needs a vacation for deliberately showing NO respect towards our Vets and team members here.

Don't forget your sunscreen bee-yatch.

~SC~