Idle thoughts by Pinnacle

[*Narkissos*]

i have to ask mr. pinnacle.. how do you feel consuming a meal that large w/in 1.5hrs of training.
i mean 2cups of oats, im assuming precooked is going to add up to 88g Carbs or so no biggie there but that amount of bloat in the gut pre workout (which i usually consume oats close to that 2hrs pre work out) makes me want to puke when i do any bending motion such as deads or squats. Does this not affect your or so u have some neat trick i could aquire to fix this?

I can't speak for Pinn.. only for myself

I believe he, like me, has experimented to find what carb source has the shortest gastric emptying time. In addition i'd assume Pinn has experimented to see what carb-source bloats him least. I think people don't realise that food-related-'bloating'= minor food allergy. If rice bloats you, logically you shoudl avoid it.

Oats, i can consume 30 mins-1hr before training.. no problem.. and this is whether raw or cooked (i usually have my oats raw.. as my preference)

If i had to try this with rice i'd be in trouble.

Some fruits (like bananas for example) also affect me negatively... thus i wouldn't consume them so close to training. (if i consume 'em at all lol)

[Pinnacle]

I can't speak for Pinn.. only for myself

I believe he, like me, has experimented to find what carb source has the shortest gastric emptying time. In addition i'd assume Pinn has experimented to see what carb-source bloats him least. I think people don't realise that food-related-'bloating'= minor food allergy. If rice bloats you, logically you shoudl avoid it.

Oats, i can consume 30 mins-1hr before training.. no problem.. and this is whether raw or cooked (i usually have my oats raw.. as my preference)

)

Although you can't speak for me,you did a dam fine job.You are pin point on as usual my friend.Thanks for saving me time typing

I'm very glad you pointed out the food related "bloating"=minor food allergy. Not many people realize that.I'm glad you metioned that,cause that's rather important information.

And yes,I've experimented with all carbohydrate sources.I use some root tubers you'd be familar with Nark.Like boniato,yuca..things like that.I don't mention them at all because they aren't readily available to most members of the board.Only those that live in tropical type areas,or areas heavily influenced with Latin/caribbean people.

~Pinnacle~

[taiboxa]

I can't speak for Pinn.. only for myself

I believe he, like me, has experimented to find what carb source has the shortest gastric emptying time. In addition i'd assume Pinn has experimented to see what carb-source bloats him least. I think people don't realise that food-related-'bloating'= minor food allergy. If rice bloats you, logically you shoudl avoid it.

Oats, i can consume 30 mins-1hr before training.. no problem.. and this is whether raw or cooked (i usually have my oats raw.. as my preference)

If i had to try this with rice i'd be in trouble.

Some fruits (like bananas for example) also affect me negatively... thus i wouldn't consume them so close to training. (if i consume 'em at all lol)

BUT who the hell is allergic to OATS >< bahhhhhhhhh i have heard that before just never gave it any head... welp thanks again both of ya

[Mizfit]

Just passing through.. but great info

[Brent_G]

Great reads. Bookmarked!

[IBdmfkr]

I wanted to personally thank you for this thread Pinn as well as previous statements you've made in other threads.. I was lacking discipline like I'm sure many others are as well.. time for things to change.

[Pinnacle]

And more ramblings by mean Mr. Pinnacle...........

I feel I've made myself perfectly clear on my views,beliefs in regards to nutrition.Although the angle I took was that from a bodybuilders perspective is no excuse not to practice sound nutrition throughout the week,months,and more so continually on an annual basis even if you have no aspirations of becoming a bodybuilder.If you apply a fraction of the things I touched on in this thread and apply them to your daily lifestyle,you'll find in a rather short time your physique taking on an entirely different look.
Several months back I had two young guys approach me and ask if I would train them.Both these guys had been lifting for a few years and had a descent foundation.The big problem was their diets.One was around 14 % BF,and the other around 16 % BF.I sat both these guys down and asked them what goals they had in mind.Do they want to compete.that sort of thing.Finally,I agreed to train them as long as they would abide by my rules,follow the diets I would lay out for them ,and never,EVER miss a training session.They agreed.Anyway,I couldn't help to notice how these guys both carried themselves.Somewhat hard to explain,but you could just tell they both lacked inner self confidence.They'd walk through the gym with their heads hung low,looking at the floor,only to look up when we reached the piece of equipment they were about to use.That sort of thing.Now lets fast forward to present day.Both these guys are sitting at right around 7-8 % BF.They look great!Better yet is the way they carry themselves now.They no longer walk through the gym with their heads hung.They march through the gym with their heads held high,shoulders back,and and a twinkle in their eyes that radiate that of self confidence,and more so inner peace and well being.It's amazing,and rather gratifying from my standpoint,to see someone alter their physique and suddenly take on this Ora about themselves.You too can achieve this.It really isn't all that hard.It takes determination and some self induced discipline.If your goal is to just lean out and get some definition,clean up that diet.It's inexcusable for a young man of say 25 to have a gut on him.I'm not saying to have a six pack,just a flat abdominal region.If you get in the habit at a young age practicing sound nutrition,as well as making a habit of hitting the gym 3-4 times a week.You'll be setting yourself up for a life long endeavor with fitness/nutrition that will yield dividends 10 fold back to you in the latter part of your life.Look around you at the 35-40 yr men these days.The vast majority are gravely over weight.To me that is totally inexcusable.There is NO reason what so ever for anyone of that age to allow themselves to get out of shape like that.All it takes is 3-4 hours a week in the gym doing some sort of physical activity.Come on,you can't find 3-4 hours a week to make yourself look,and feel better?No one is that busy.NO ONE!These guys need to get off their lazy asses and into a gym,plus clean up their pathetic diets.I see these fat,greasy,sweaty men standing in line at the super market with their carts full of nothing but junk.Then they wonder why they look like shit? Women as well,but I won't pick on them today.
Point being guys.Don't allow yourselves to fall into that mid to late 30's trap. Make nutrition and fitness part of your daily lives NOW!It will eventually become second nature to you.It's habit forming,like brushing your teeth.When you settle down,get married,have children,you can pass on to them your sound nutritional/fitness habits.Possibly,just possibly if everyone would take this approach our future generations won't have the weight/medical issues we do nowadays.
FITNESS..........stop talking about it...reading about it.....go out and DO IT! Make yourself a better YOU!

Why are you still reading this thread?Log off.Get up out of that chair.Go outside and jog,play basketball with the neighborhood kids,beat up an old lady in the parking lot.
Do something............just be ACTIVE!



More to come.............


~Pinnacle~

[goose]

I always said this; MR PINN is the man.......

[Liftnainez]

AWSEOME postS pinn!!!! keep em coming bro.. respect

[lil herc]

very very educational bro,,the last post or words of widom really hit home for me and i bet everyone else who reads this,thanks for the info..but did u say something about disipline..jk


JAY

[Liftnainez]

very very educational bro,,the last post or words of widom really hit home for me and i bet everyone else who reads this,thanks for the info..but did u say something about disipline..jk


JAY

No, I actually believe he said: DISCIPLINE

[*Narkissos*]

^^^ updates...

[topvega]

The Anabolic Rock Star Keith Richards speaks.... and the masses listen.... Was just about to send U a PM and see if U were still alive....

[marcus300]

Great thread pinn, you echo my beliefs

[BG]

Great thread!

Better and better everyday, most educational and understandable read yet.

[ianchov]

Again i like to express my respect to Mr. Pinn.
Respect!


Great motivation, Mr. Pinn!

[SPIKE]

Bulking doesn't mean to just put on weight, nor is it an excuse to have a sloppy diet. To me, bulking means you are in a growth phase trying to put on lean, quality muscle while minimizing amounts of body fat.

Wow someone actually knows the true ideal definition of bulking? Key words in that are underlined. I won't elaborate as there is no need. As always Pinn covered it all. Anything further comments will simply piggyback his.

By using this method it keeps my body guessing, and not allowing it to get used to any particular amount of calories. Hence the reason I don't get any plateaus while cutting. I consistently loose body fat on a weekly basis.

An unaccustomed stimulus will always reap better benefits. Wether in cutting or bulking. Training or straight cardio, you're completely right Pinn. I too agree with this method. Have been learning more and more about it in school and really makes more sense.

I see the benefit of Pro/Fat meals, but I also see the reasoning behind your statements. Total agreement once again.

But for someone else with other goals in mind, the drugs I rendered useless, might very well be priceless to that individual. Primo,for example. I wouldn't pay 2 cents for 100 gallons of that drug. But for a guy like Jayhova, someone giving him 100 gallons would be equivalent to hitting the lottery.

I was almost done commenting on this thread when I finally reached the bottom : - ). Once again the keywords in that phrase in underlined.

We all have certain goals in mind. In stating that Pinn is a BBer, he uses certain comopunds to reach his goals. Compounds that are my niche (or others reading this thread) may render useless in his cycles.

The lottery is a far cry from the truth Pinn. Maybe like hitting the play 3


Good to see you posting Pinn

[Pinnacle]

Anabolic and Cutting by Mean Mr. Pinnacle


I've edited this thread due to certain reasons I'd rather not comment on at this time.Here's the shortened/edited version...

Although clen is effective.I don't care for the drug.I despise T3.Personally I don't know why anyone would want to fool around with a gland that is functioning normally.It's not your thyroids fault you ate potato chips,pizza,Mc Donald's for the last 6 mos and turned into a dough boy.So why take it out on your thyroid?What's the matter,you T3 advocates afraid of a little hard work?Do tread mills frighten you?I think the use of T3 shows alot about the individual using it.The lack of discipline,utter laziness,and more so the lack of knowledge in regards to proper nutrition.Now I'm talking in general here.Some people do have slow metabolisms due to a sluggish thyroid.So a drug like T3 is advantageous for them.I'm beating up the healthy adult male here,not the latter group.
Winny only cycles.Another of my favorites."How much winny should I take and for how long so I can get ripped up?"Arghhh..why do people think winny is some magical drug you take and a few weeks later you get ripped like Branch Warren? This is mind boggling to me.Come on people I'll say this again.Steroids do not get you cut up,ripped.Proper nutrition and cardio does that.You cab take all the drugs you want but without those two elements your results will be minimal at best.
80 % of the time most members don't even need anabolics to reach their desired goals.If you are 12 % BF looking to get down to 8 % BF.You don't need drugs.you do however need to learn about nutrition.Again,I'm talking in general here.The board does have quite a few members that are athletes from various types of sports.I can see those type members using anabolics while cutting.That makes total sense to me.Not to help them cut really,more so to help retain size and strength.I'm all for that.It's the fat,pudgy college kid that wants to get "ripped up" for spring break whom I'm blasting here.That's right.I'm talking to you Mr. lazy college boy.The one that sits on his ass all year long doing nothing,but come spring break feels the need to get off his lazy,fat ass and loose some weight.Then you come to a board like this and ask what drugs to use to get :shredded" for the babes.These are the people that have no business using anabolic steroids.
On to the guys that actually benefit from using anabolics while in a cutting phase.I see some of your cycles and I think you're running far to many drugs,and far to high of doses.At least for testosterone anyway.In the case of athletes like football/soccer players,you're mainly looking to shed some body fat while retaining size/strength.Not looking to possibly grow on a cutting cycle like experienced BBers do with precise nutrition.With that said you can easily get away with cycles like this :

Low dose Test/anadrol
Low dose Test/winny
Low dose Test/anavar( I can't believe I added this )
Low dose Test/masteron
Low dose Test/Halo

Test = Test prop/or Test enanthate.Either is fine.You'll most likely hold less water off prop.Enanthate you'll drop the water once cycle is complete.Your choice really.
By low dose Testosterone,I mean in the range of 250-400 mgs weekly.No more is needed.Testosterone in that dose range will certainly retain muscle mass while on a restricted diet.Also,you'll notice I didn't mention Prop/Fina cycles.Reason being,tren is notorious for winding(for lack of a better word) individuals.It makes cardiovascular activity extremely difficult and it's a poor choice for active athletes.Not to mention it's extremely harsh on your system.I always have gotten sick toward the end of tren/fina cycles.There are 2 other drugs that work really well when applied correctly to a cutting phase/cycle.
HGH and LR3 IGF-1...I'll get to those shortly.I need a break from typing.I'll return and finish up my thoughts on cutting and anabolics later on...

Stay tuned ...much more to come......


~Pinnacle~

[oldman]

Anabolic and Cutting by Mean Mr. Pinnacle


Personally I don't know why anyone would want to fool around with a gland that is functioning normally.It's not your thyroids fault you ate potato chips,pizza,Mc Donald's for the last 6 mos and turned into a dough boy.So why take it out on your thyroid?What's the matter,you T3 advocates afraid of a little hard work?Do tread mills frighten you?I think the use of T3 shows alot about the individual using it.The lack of discipline,utter laziness,and more so the lack of knowledge in regards to proper nutrition.


~Pinnacle~

Shit this stuff made me laugh out loud.. glad I work by myself..

[stupidhippo]

always entertaining to read pins views... some REALLY good points about shredding and gear use.. u see that so often here.. (how much winstrol to get shredded etc..)

[Liftnainez]

ah the lazy college kid.. lol.. its the best when all of a sudden 3 weeks before spring break the gym is PACKED with all these "spring break workout people".. its the worst.. great read once again pinn.. looking foward to more.

[Pinnacle]

Continued from previous post

Anabolics and cutting......

Like I said earlier,there are two other drugs that are effective while in a cutting phase.
HGH is one of the two.
A low dose of 2-4 iu's 5 days on/2 days off is more than sufficient.Here's the catch.HGH is pricey,and secondly it takes several months to kick in.So lets say you want to run a cycle of Test/winny,but wanted to add HGH to your arsenal for its fat burning qualities,muscle retention,and assistance in recovery.You'd have to start the HGH 3 months prior to commencing with the actual anabolic cycle.Yes,HGH is a wonderful drug,but like I said,it comes with a steep price tag.
Another drug that is far less expensive,and very effective, is LR3 IGF-1.You only need to run this for the last 30 days of your cutting cycle at a reasonable dose of 60-80 mcgs ED.This might be a much better alternative than HGH.LR3 IGF-1 starts to yield results with in a few days usually.Also with LR3 IGF-1 you'll be able to eat more carbohydrates than you normally would while in a cutting phase.Having that "full" look about you all the time is something your don't normally have while running a normal anabolic cutting cycle since you sometimes carb deplete in order to break through diet plateau's,if your using a pro/fat type diet anyway.
I personally think using Testosterone at a low dose coupled with either of these two hormones,or better yet all three stacked together,is the best combination for a cutting phase.You won't be stressing your system hardly at all.Think about it for a moment.Testosterone,Growth Hormone and IGF-1 are all natural occurring hormones with in our male bodies.All you are doing is elevating the amount of each hormone to get the maximum effects.In most cases,side effects will be non existent,or minimal at best.Furthermore,recovery will be a breeze.I highly doubt you'll get testicular atrophy running a cycle such as this.I know I never have,and I speak from vast experience running these drugs..Also,by excluding oral anabolics from your cycle,you'll be sparing your liver the stress and won't have any worries about lipid profiles gone awry.Cycles like this won't do anything for strength,so if you really feel the need to add an oral androgen for strength,physiological edge,then by all means go for it.These type cycles are much milder than that of Test/tren/Eq/masteron/winny all stacked together.
Now allow me to reiterate.Neither of the two above mentioned drugs will be effective if proper nutrition and cardio aren't in place.They too,like anabolic steroids,aren't some miracle hormone you take and get shredded,cut up,or what ever terminology you prefer.
In summary guys,you really don't need all that much in terms of drugs to assist you in your goals while in a cutting phase.There is no need to increase additional stress to your body when you are dieting and already stressing your system somewhat.Save the heavier doses for when you are in a mass phase.That's when they're needed.....

~Pinnacle~

[TADOLFI]

This thread keeps getting better and better.

Thanks Pinn!

[Pinnacle]

This thread keeps getting better and better.

Thanks Pinn!

NO...Thank you...I'm glad you're enjoying it thus far.I'm sure I'll have some other things to comment on once my pea brian recovers from exhaustion..lol...

~Pinnacle~

[ianchov]

This thread keeps getting better and better.

Thanks Pinn!

Absolutely true..


Mr. Pinn would mind say about the subsidiaries during the cycle - what do you recommend(Nolva or letro)..


Also i have read a PCT by you from Antony Roberts..Do you think its better than other PCT protocols?

[Pinnacle]

Absolutely true..


Mr. Pinn would mind say about the subsidiaries during the cycle - what do you recommend(Nolva or letro)..


Also i have read a PCT by you from Antony Roberts..Do you think its better than other PCT protocols?

I apologize.I'm not ignoring your questions.It's been a rather busy week end for me.I'll respond tomorrow if you don't mind?

Mike,thanks for the additional input in regards to whey protein.I appreciate that.

To all the rest of you that want me to continue on with my ramblings/views/thoughts...I CERTAINLY WILL.My time is quite limited,but throughout the week I'll make posts in this thread.Any comments or additional info is ALWAYS welcome.Like I initially stated,the intent of thread isn't to fire debate.I totally expect many to not share my views on certain topics.I respect guys(like my good friend Ossie) to not agree entirely,but to at least look at things objectively.So thanks to all for that ...

MORE to come......

~Pinnacle~

[Pinnacle]

Absolutely true..


Mr. Pinn would mind say about the subsidiaries during the cycle - what do you recommend(Nolva or letro)..


Also i have read a PCT by you from Antony Roberts..Do you think its better than other PCT protocols?

OK,here's my thoughts on the use of Nolv/letro/adex or whatever your choice combination may be.Don't take what I'm about to sat as advice.I'm simply sharing my personal experience and views in regards to the question you asked.When I first started using anabolics I held water on every cycle.No matter what drugs I was using in the cycle.Nolv/adex was usually the combo I used to fight estrrogen related sides.It helped to a certain extent,but what was really causing the excess water retention was the amount ofBf I was holding.As a beginner,I started cycles at around 12-13 % BF and said "fvk it",I'll cut the fat off later.Big mistake on my part.Not only was my diet off by putting on excessive BF,the more BF I put on,the more water I retained.(This is why I went into proper nutritiopn more so than anything else in this thread).Nutrition,more so than drugs,is the key eliment to a successful cycle.
Now,the more experineced I've become in regards to proper nutrition/diet along witrh anabolic drugs,the less estrogenm related side effects I had.I'm at the point now I hardly get any sides what so ever on cycle.I hold very little water,but nothing alarming by any means.Nowadays since I don't come off cycle(I cruise in between) I don't use any anti's til near cycles end,usually about two weeks out and 4 weeks proceeding as well.Just to shake off any excess water and also for the estrogen rebound I get running high Testosterone cycles.I prefer aromasin at 15 mgs EOD.I've used letro in the past but have had estrogen rebound effects.IMO,Nolv/letro...Nolv/aromasin are great for cuting cycles when you want to remain relatively dry so you can gauge how much BF you are actually holding.On a mass cycle,I'd go with Nolv/adex.Adex s much milder than letro/aromasin.You'll hold some water while using adex.But that's fine since you are in a mass phase and estrogen(to some extent) is anabolic.So you do want some estrogen,but not too much as it will suppress bio-available testosterone.You really need to find your own personal "sweet spot" so to speak.That comes with time,and more so experience.I hope this answers the above question.
As for the second part.It's going t9o sound like I'm "copping out" from answering your question.But the fact is,you'll need to experiment with different PCT protocols to find what works bet for you,and you alone.I've ran several different types of PCT drugs/combination to see what worked best for me.On average "Nolvadex only" brought my test levels back to par the quickest without any adverse side effects.Nolv/clomid didn't work well for me.After every cycle I ran,I always had BW done a few times throughout the peroid to see and document which PCT protocol worked bet for me.I suggest you( and everyone for that matter) do the same.Keep a log of yoyr cycle.Drugs you used,doese,duration and what type PCT you ran.Attach your BW to that.Over time you'll be able to determine through your own personal medical documentation,what works best for you.

~Pinnacle~

[Liftnainez]

OK,here's my thoughts on the use of Nolv/letro/adex or whatever your choice combination may be.Don't take what I'm about to sat as advice.I'm simply sharing my personal experience and views in regards to the question you asked.When I first started using anabolics I held water on every cycle.No matter what drugs I was using in the cycle.Nolv/adex was usually the combo I used to fight estrrogen related sides.It helped to a certain extent,but what was really causing the excess water retention was the amount ofBf I was holding.As a beginner,I started cycles at around 12-13 % BF and said "fvk it",I'll cut the fat off later.Big mistake on my part.Not only was my diet off by putting on excessive BF,the more BF I put on,the more water I retained.(This is why I went into proper nutritiopn more so than anything else in this thread).Nutrition,more so than drugs,is the key eliment to a successful cycle.
Now,the more experineced I've become in regards to proper nutrition/diet along witrh anabolic drugs,the less estrogenm related side effects I had.I'm at the point now I hardly get any sides what so ever on cycle.I hold very little water,but nothing alarming by any means.Nowadays since I don't come off cycle(I cruise in between) I don't use any anti's til near cycles end,usually about two weeks out and 4 weeks proceeding as well.Just to shake off any excess water and also for the estrogen rebound I get running high Testosterone cycles.I prefer aromasin at 15 mgs EOD.I've used letro in the past but have had estrogen rebound effects.IMO,Nolv/letro...Nolv/aromasin are great for cuting cycles when you want to remain relatively dry so you can gauge how much BF you are actually holding.On a mass cycle,I'd go with Nolv/adex.Adex s much milder than letro/aromasin.You'll hold some water while using adex.But that's fine since you are in a mass phase and estrogen(to some extent) is anabolic.So you do want some estrogen,but not too much as it will suppress bio-available testosterone.You really need to find your own personal "sweet spot" so to speak.That comes with time,and more so experience.I hope this answers the above question.
As for the second part.It's going t9o sound like I'm "copping out" from answering your question.But the fact is,you'll need to experiment with different PCT protocols to find what works bet for you,and you alone.I've ran several different types of PCT drugs/combination to see what worked best for me.On average "Nolvadex only" brought my test levels back to par the quickest without any adverse side effects.Nolv/clomid didn't work well for me.After every cycle I ran,I always had BW done a few times throughout the peroid to see and document which PCT protocol worked bet for me.I suggest you( and everyone for that matter) do the same.Keep a log of yoyr cycle.Drugs you used,doese,duration and what type PCT you ran.Attach your BW to that.Over time you'll be able to determine through your own personal medical documentation,what works best for you.

~Pinnacle~

Sup Pinn!! Since on topic about PCT and Protection what are your thoughts on Milk Thistle.. I remember reading you dont use it or like it, but I wanted to know whether you dont like it bc 1) It hinders gains or 2) Just bc you feels its unecessary? I am reading mixed opinions- some say it hinders gains some say it doesnt.. what are your thoughts (brief statement) regarding this isuue.. thanks brotha

[Pinnacle]

Sup Pinn!! Since on topic about PCT and Protection what are your thoughts on Milk Thistle.. I remember reading you dont use it or like it, but I wanted to know whether you dont like it bc 1) It hinders gains or 2) Just bc you feels its unecessary? I am reading mixed opinions- some say it hinders gains some say it doesnt.. what are your thoughts (brief statement) regarding this isuue.. thanks brotha

I really don'tr feel it's necesary to run all kind of additional suppliments with PCT.Find the drugs that work for you,have your nutrition in place and you'll recover just fine.

~Pinnacle~

[ianchov]

OK,here's my thoughts on the use of Nolv/letro/adex or whatever your choice combination may be.Don't take what I'm about to sat as advice.I'm simply sharing my personal experience and views in regards to the question you asked.When I first started using anabolics I held water on every cycle.No matter what drugs I was using in the cycle.Nolv/adex was usually the combo I used to fight estrrogen related sides.It helped to a certain extent,but what was really causing the excess water retention was the amount ofBf I was holding.As a beginner,I started cycles at around 12-13 % BF and said "fvk it",I'll cut the fat off later.Big mistake on my part.Not only was my diet off by putting on excessive BF,the more BF I put on,the more water I retained.(This is why I went into proper nutritiopn more so than anything else in this thread).Nutrition,more so than drugs,is the key eliment to a successful cycle.
Now,the more experineced I've become in regards to proper nutrition/diet along witrh anabolic drugs,the less estrogenm related side effects I had.I'm at the point now I hardly get any sides what so ever on cycle.I hold very little water,but nothing alarming by any means.Nowadays since I don't come off cycle(I cruise in between) I don't use any anti's til near cycles end,usually about two weeks out and 4 weeks proceeding as well.Just to shake off any excess water and also for the estrogen rebound I get running high Testosterone cycles.I prefer aromasin at 15 mgs EOD.I've used letro in the past but have had estrogen rebound effects.IMO,Nolv/letro...Nolv/aromasin are great for cuting cycles when you want to remain relatively dry so you can gauge how much BF you are actually holding.On a mass cycle,I'd go with Nolv/adex.Adex s much milder than letro/aromasin.You'll hold some water while using adex.But that's fine since you are in a mass phase and estrogen(to some extent) is anabolic.So you do want some estrogen,but not too much as it will suppress bio-available testosterone.You really need to find your own personal "sweet spot" so to speak.That comes with time,and more so experience.I hope this answers the above question.
As for the second part.It's going t9o sound like I'm "copping out" from answering your question.But the fact is,you'll need to experiment with different PCT protocols to find what works bet for you,and you alone.I've ran several different types of PCT drugs/combination to see what worked best for me.On average "Nolvadex only" brought my test levels back to par the quickest without any adverse side effects.Nolv/clomid didn't work well for me.After every cycle I ran,I always had BW done a few times throughout the peroid to see and document which PCT protocol worked bet for me.I suggest you( and everyone for that matter) do the same.Keep a log of yoyr cycle.Drugs you used,doese,duration and what type PCT you ran.Attach your BW to that.Over time you'll be able to determine through your own personal medical documentation,what works best for you.

~Pinnacle~

I personnaly thank you for this..and i was sure that you didn`t ignore my questions(that`s why i didn`t started to ask)..


Again thank you for the great advices and the most important, the great motivation you inspire!!!!

Great stuff as always Pinn. I make sure I check in on this thread daily. Your such an asset to this board. BTW man just so you know how much your posts mean I am about to place an order for my Leucine and other BCAA's and taper off my whey protein.

Hope you dont mind answering another question from a newb but I really wanted YOUR input on this personally if possible. You breifly touched on this before as per my request (thanks) but in terms of dextrose...I know YOU dont personally use it, but assuming I like to use it, would you think that I can still use dextrose in my PWO shake along with the leucine or BCAA's?

Thanks Pinn, hope all is well.

I also will make this move,C_Bino..


Thanks, Mr. Pinn!

[Cornholio]

Great advice

[*Narkissos*]

Great advice

Understatement of the year

Narkissos

[taiboxa]

i just wanted to say that pinns advice is invaluable and i hope he keeps up w/ his pimp ass thread even with the unfortunate events

[oswaldosalcedo]

Idle thoughts by Mean Mr. Pinnacle




Discipline:
When I use this word in posts telling members they lack that of, I'm amazed at how defensive, pissed off, offensive they get. Sometimes the truth hurts, as I know that all to well, myself.
The reason most members of this board fail to achieve desired results is simply the lack of discipline.

discipline
fundamental word for results.
monastic discipline this is what is needed.

i agree a lot with the presented but i disagree some points.
first, i am a pro pro/fat diet,but others also serve ....lol............

to the protein fact i agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yes !
protein are a waste ! (although as something complementary is no bad).

i am a pro leucine addict.
10 gr before train and 10 gr after train.
10 gr first thing in the morning and 10 gr at bed time.
creatine is no bad 5 gr before train and 5 gr after train.

and a lot of aas,combined well,slow aas with slow aas,fast aas with fast aas,bulk roids with bulk roids,cut roids with cut roids.

great pinn.
concise and precise.

[LM79]

Wow! That was a big read.

But i Learnt alot.

Thank you

[powerliftmike]

I looked into the whey protein statement. Turns out its damn accurate. Whey protein is so rapidly absorbed that a large influx of amino acids make it into the bloodstream, too many in fact. This prompts the body to divert the majority to the liver where it is then oxidized, ie used for energy. Also, unlike casein and other proteins, whey protein has been shown to have zero anti-catabolic activity, not just a little--but zero. It only has anabolic activity. It is essential to have a protein with both anabolic and anti-catabolic activity. And finally, whey protein processing destroys some amino acids that are listed on the labels and in textbooks.

Also, I wanted to warn you guys about the carb supplements currently available. Ive been doing some reading and talking to my doctor about them. Pretty much 100% of the carb supps on the market, including weight gainers, contain maltodextrin. All over the label the supplement company writes "complex carbohydrate", which technically is true. However, you must understand a little chemistry to find out why its no good.

A complex carb is basically multiple simple carbs strung together with hydrogen bonds. Maltodextrin turns out to have one of the weakest hydrogen bonds of just about anything. This means your body quickly breaks it down into simple carbs. The resultant simple carbs are dextrose/glucose which are pretty much the highest GI carbs known to man. So, dont be fooled: Maltodextrin is a complex carb, but has an extremely have GI rating.

I look forward to more educational and inspirational response from Pinn too

[Giants11]

I looked into the whey protein statement. Turns out its damn accurate. Whey protein is so rapidly absorbed that a large influx of amino acids make it into the bloodstream, too many in fact. This prompts the body to divert the majority to the liver where it is then oxidized, ie used for energy. Also, unlike casein and other proteins, whey protein has been shown to have zero anti-catabolic activity, not just a little--but zero. It only has anabolic activity. It is essential to have a protein with both anabolic and anti-catabolic activity. And finally, whey protein processing destroys some amino acids that are listed on the labels and in textbooks.

Also, I wanted to warn you guys about the carb supplements currently available. Ive been doing some reading and talking to my doctor about them. Pretty much 100% of the carb supps on the market, including weight gainers, contain maltodextrin. All over the label the supplement company writes "complex carbohydrate", which technically is true. However, you must understand a little chemistry to find out why its no good.

A complex carb is basically multiple simple carbs strung together with hydrogen bonds. Maltodextrin turns out to have one of the weakest hydrogen bonds of just about anything. This means your body quickly breaks it down into simple carbs. The resultant simple carbs are dextrose/glucose which are pretty much the highest GI carbs known to man. So, dont be fooled: Maltodextrin is a complex carb, but has an extremely have GI rating.

I look forward to more educational and inspirational response from Pinn too

I agree with this. Which is exatly why I employ a two-pronged approach to PWO. I drink a whey shake and follow up with cottage cheese.

The benefit of the whey is that it is so quickly digested. The rapid influx of amino's you get, primarily elevated leucine levels, will stimulate protein synthesis.

[vitor]

Greate thread!!

Whey is the only Protein I have used, guess ive been cheating myselves of some gains, b/c of it.

[wolfstriked]

I like what I have read here.I have upped my thyroid med and switched to armour which is a natural thyroid going against what my doctor has prescribed for me.She kept lowering my dose and I kept feeling worse and worse.Sorry off topic but had to include since I feel that I can now handle more carbs thruout day.Where before I would get so tired after a meal I now get energy.

I do feel that the pro/fat meals help me out with my hypoglycemia,yet I dont feel really good eating like that.Actually I feel like crap

So now that I am on an increased thyroid dosage I want to start eating back this way.I have some questions though.

First one is the sweet potato comment.I wont eat yams 6 times a day!!!I read that rice,pasta and bread bloats.....yet is bloat all that bad.When bloated are you gonna burn less fat?Or is this just a cosmetic thing?I can deal with a bit of bloat if I can eat sandwiches and beans and small amounts of pasta/rice.

Another thing I would like to know is if eating 6 meals a day of 300 calories/each is a good approach.I am trying to cut right now and want to do 150 calories of lean protein and 150 calories of carbs per meal.I just wanna lose my gut and right now dont care about getting ripped.

That comes out to 1800 calories a day and may be too low so I will do weekly weigh-ins.

[Pinnacle]

First one is the sweet potato comment.I wont eat yams 6 times a day!!!I read that rice,pasta and bread bloats.....yet is bloat all that bad.When bloated are you gonna burn less fat?Or is this just a cosmetic thing?I can deal with a bit of bloat if I can eat sandwiches and beans and small amounts of pasta/rice.

Another thing I would like to know is if eating 6 meals a day of 300 calories/each is a good approach.I am trying to cut right now and want to do 150 calories of lean protein and 150 calories of carbs per meal.I just wanna lose my gut and right now dont care about getting ripped.

That comes out to 1800 calories a day and may be too low so I will do weekly weigh-ins.

My man,I want to acknowledge I saw your questions.I'm going to be brief as I don't want/nor have the time to give free advice in regards to nutrition.I have clients in the real world that pay for this.So out of respect for them,I'll be brief.I also don't want this to snowball into countless Pm's from ppl asking for diet /nutritional advice.I hope you can understand and respect that.
You don't have to eat yams/potatoes 6 x ED.I never said that..I did say they should be the foundation of your carbohydrate sources throughout the day.Keeping your insulin levels even keel throughout the day is the safest way to ward off any poossible unwanted BF.Pay attention to the foods you eat.Take notes on what bloats you ect.

Good luck......

~Pinnacle~