Help get Michael Vick suspended from the NFL.

[Mogamedogz]

Honestly, If Vick were white would you be putting up such a defense for him then?

I bet YOU would.

The dude isnt even defending Vick, he is defending Vick's "RIGHT TO A TRIAL". He said (NUMEROUS) times that he personally thinks that Vick did it, and that he finds animal abuse dispicable.

[BgMc31]

Honestly, If Vick were white would you be putting up such a defense for him then?

STFU, Logan!! You tried to bring this argument up before when we discussed another black athlete in the NFL. And I told you my favorite football player is Peyton Manning. You are hellbent on making everything a race issue. We all know that you are clearly a bigot so let's leave it at that, but you don't have to bring race into everything that I post on. As a matter of fact, don't reply to my posts with such assinine comments.

As a former professional football player, I've seen firsthand the quick convictions of pro athletes at the hands of the media and the fans. Like I've stated a hundred times before, I think the man did have knowledge of what was going on, but it's not for me judge. I will not rush to judgement again like I did with the Duke Lacrosse case. What I am defending is a person's right to trail and the fact that just because our views differ from his doesn't make the man a "piece of shit". And for you to compare slavery and female circumcision in Africa to dog fighting shows what a true bigot you are since you are comparing the plight of blacks to the plight of 'other' animals. You are a really sad person, Logan and I feel sorry for you!

[Logan13]

I will not rush to judgement again like I did with the Duke Lacrosse case. What I am defending is a person's right to trail and the fact that just because our views differ from his doesn't make the man a "piece of shit". And for you to compare slavery and female circumcision in Africa to dog fighting shows what a true bigot you are since you are comparing the plight of blacks to the plight of 'other' animals. Please tell me how female circumcision and videotaped beheadings has anything to do with the plight of black people. Get over yourself, not everything is about you. Trying to draw the above correlation with slavery is a stretch, but then again you seem to try to equate many topics to this.

That's my point, you were all over the Duke Lacrosse players, who were obviously white. You stood up for the accuser, a black woman. Until your righteous concern encompasses all races, I will call you out on such stances.....I am not asking you to like it Bg.

[jerseyboy]

So is cock fighting equally inhumane? Is Roy Jones a piece of shit for raising chickens that fight. I'm not condoning dogfighting or what Mike Vick did, but the way some of you talk about the guy you'd think he just raped a bunch of children.

Doc Sus claims that he is a ghetto kid, not true, Vick is a country boy from VA. Hardly the ghetto's you see in big cities. If he's guilty he'll go to jail and his career would be over. Plain and simple. If he's innocent then how will you all recant what you have said.

Doc Sus, there is a law in Nevada that a home owner isn't always responsible for what goes on at a home if that isn't there primary residence. Like you I own multiple properties and I am aware of what goes on in them. But there are property owners and property holding firms who own large amounts of homes, some of which are crack houses in Las Vegas. If the DEA or the police department raid the house for drugs and the home owner is found not to be involved, he/she is not charged.

But again that isn't the extent of the evidence against Vick. The main evidence against him is the word of 3 other's the claim to have seen him at the property.

Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I suggest you go and read all 18 pages of the indictment and awaiting the outcome of the trial before passing judgement.

Yes, cock fighting is inhumane, wrong and illegal. If Vick had raped a bunch of children I'd want to see him in jail for the rest of his life. Not just suspended from football. I'm not going to apologize for being more compassionate toward animals (especially dogs) than the next guy. Studies have proven that people willing to maim or kill animals with no remorse are more capable to do the same to another human. Think about it that way if it makes it easier for you. If by some miracle of justice somehow proves he did not know or take part in the dogfighting on his own property I will recant. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. Federal documents show that the fighting has been taking place since at least 2002, That's 5 years. 45 dogs were recovered from his property and 7 corpses dug up. Equipment like rape stands and tread mills were also found there. But he didn't know anything about it. It's his f'ing property and he hasn't been there in 5 years? Yeah right. He's blaming it all on his family.

[BgMc31]

Yes, cock fighting is inhumane, wrong and illegal. If Vick had raped a bunch of children I'd want to see him in jail for the rest of his life. Not just suspended from football. I'm not going to apologize for being more compassionate toward animals (especially dogs) than the next guy. Studies have proven that people willing to maim or kill animals with no remorse are more capable to do the same to another human. Think about it that way if it makes it easier for you. If by some miracle of justice somehow proves he did not know or take part in the dogfighting on his own property I will recant. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. Federal documents show that the fighting has been taking place since at least 2002, That's 5 years. 45 dogs were recovered from his property and 7 corpses dug up. Equipment like rape stands and tread mills were also found there. But he didn't know anything about it. It's his f'ing property and he hasn't been there in 5 years? Yeah right. He's blaming it all on his family.

Louisiana, Oklahoma, as well as New Mexico, cockfigting is legal. Although you may view it as inhumane the practioners of the sport do not believe so. Many cultures don't consider dog fighting inhumane and it's also legal in those countries. I'm not a fan of dog fighting and find it appalling. I love my american bulldog to death and would never allow him to fight for sport. But that is just me. I find dog racing, horse racing, and circus' inhumane but they aren't illegal. So it's personal preference. My point? Just because we all have the 'Snoopy' syndrome (where we believe dogs are above other animals and should be treated as such), there are those in other communities that don't see it that way. So calling Mike Vick a piece of shit because he doesn't hold dogs in such high regard isn't fair. If he's guilty of a crime so be it he should be punished to the furthest extent of the law.

I'm not defending Vick. I actually believe he is at the very least aware of what happened at his property, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions. I made that mistake with the Duke Lacrosse case, so I'm going to reserve judgement on this case because we don't know all the facts and he has yet to mount his defense. All we've heard is one side of the argument. All I'm saying is let's reserve judgement and allow the judicial system to take it's course.

[Logan13]

Louisiana, Oklahoma, as well as New Mexico, cockfigting is legal. Although you may view it as inhumane the practioners of the sport do not believe so. Many cultures don't consider dog fighting inhumane and it's also legal in those countries. I'm not a fan of dog fighting and find it appalling. I love my american bulldog to death and would never allow him to fight for sport. But that is just me. I find dog racing, horse racing, and circus' inhumane but they aren't illegal. So it's personal preference. My point? Just because we all have the 'Snoopy' syndrome (where we believe dogs are above other animals and should be treated as such), there are those in other communities that don't see it that way. So calling Mike Vick a piece of shit because he doesn't hold dogs in such high regard isn't fair. If he's guilty of a crime so be it he should be punished to the furthest extent of the law.

I'm not defending Vick. I actually believe he is at the very least aware of what happened at his property, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions. I made that mistake with the Duke Lacrosse case, so I'm going to reserve judgement on this case because we don't know all the facts and he has yet to mount his defense. All we've heard is one side of the argument. All I'm saying is let's reserve judgement and allow the judicial system to take it's course.

Well, up until the late 90's, slavery was still "not illegal" as well in the state of Mississippi. That sure as hell didn't make it humane, just because it wasn't against the law. Some cultures require that young girls have their clitoris' removed as well, does that mean make it humane? Some cultures broadcast the beheadings of their enemies on the TV, is that humane?

[abstrack]

The difference in cows and dogs are that cows are not pets. If you lived in Asia then I guess eating dogs would be acceptable, but you dont.

If cows are rasied as pets, then they are treated as pets by the person who owns them and if they were abused as pets, then the same punishment would be granted as M.V.

I believe he should go to trail, but I dont believe for one bit that his bullshit response of "he didnt know it was going on?"

How and the hell do you have over 50 dogs on your property, some of them are scarred, some of them have blood stains on them. Its not like they were all well bathed dogs living in his house as house pets.

fukc michael vick and his NFL status. That mf'er can burn in hell with his trophy.

What if he was a pedophile and your daughter was raped at his house and they found all kind of evidence to conclude that there were more cases of child abuse going on there and he come sout and says. "i didnt know my family members were doing that?" "They were taking advantage of my generousity and handy cam" I guess you could still say. He deserves a trial to be proven guilty.

[Ronnie Rowland]

It would appear that both of the Vick brothers are bad news. So sad, with all the talent they possess...

[abstrack]

Another thing is that he should deserve a fair trial. Thats nice Give him a fair trial so his high paid lawyer can get him off scott free.
The justice system works so well. Look what it did to Rubin "Hurricane" Carter? We gave him a nice judicial free trial

How about the Roscetti case?

Or David Milgaard ?


Or how about the ones who are let go because of a good defense attorney?


The whole system is corrupt.

MV was caught with his pants down grabbing his ankles and he knows it, and the public knows it. Now he can serve up a nice sentence and a good ass raping. He can toss all the balls he wants while in jail.

[abstrack]

Lets stop dragging in what legal in what state and what is ethical with cows, pigs, and chickens. Blah blah blah.

We're talking about MV and him running a dog fighting ring at his house and unethically killing them on the premises.

[jerseyboy]

The judicial system is a joke.

[abstrack]

The judicial system is a joke.

I agree. Deserve a fair trial is a joke.

[Hoggage_54]

I saw today on Sportsnet that Vick told someone close to him that he doesn't see what the big deal is. What an idiot.

[takedownII]

abstrack, you're right on bro....

if i get caught with aas, i will never be able to do my job again even though they are totally unrelated....

mv shouldn't be able to have his job either imo, the crime he DID commit is unrelated to football obviously, but why can he keep his job while others like myself wouldn't be able to keep mine for even a lesser crime??

[BgMc31]

abstrack, you're right on bro....

if i get caught with aas, i will never be able to do my job again even though they are totally unrelated....

mv shouldn't be able to have his job either imo, the crime he DID commit is unrelated to football obviously, but why can he keep his job while others like myself wouldn't be able to keep mine for even a lesser crime??

Because there is a perception that illegal drug use affects job performance and puts the employer in danger (ie liability issues). I know many people who have been convicted of DUIs who have been allowed to keep their jobs because their job doesn't require them to drive a vehicle.

[jerseyboy]

I will definetely be watching this case very closely. I'm sure his team of 5 high paid lawyers are going to lie and twist the truth into submission but in the end I hope justice prevails. I'm also just as interested in the other defendents in the case getting prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I think it was said that the max sentence is 6 years. I just want someone responsible to pay for what those dogs went through. It really shouldn't be too much to ask.

[Doc.Sust]

some of us here are going to have to agree to disagree. look, i think the guy is gheto trash and what he allegedly( i use the term loosely)
did was terrible.

should animals have the rights of humans?

is it ok that there are kids starving in africa?

what about humans eating livestock?

what to do about israel?

should the US pull out of iraq

should prayer be allowed in school?

who was right , darwin or the creationist fanatics

what came first the chicken or the egg?

is it ok that britney spears orders kentucky friend chicken at a photo shoot, wipes the grease off of her hands with a $3000 dress and later uses another 3000$ to clean up dog shite while her pal lindsay "b-lohan" drives around loaded getting dui's on a bi weekly basis?

who knows! these issues will always be debated, religion,politics,morals and ethics all walk a very fine line and most people take a far stance form the middle of that line, which in turns causes debate. these arguments can not be won. so everybody put away your swords, calm down and have a good time, there is enough crap to worry about in this world as it is. not worth having a brain aneurism IMO. alot of these issues are "out of our hands" individualy

[Giants11]

His buddy is gonna sell him out....big time.

Although I don't blame him, it was Vick who tossed him outta his place onto the streets when this all went down.

[RussianVodka]

Dog fighting is good for some kind of dogs, for the real one.

[l2elapse]

vick is buried pretty deep right now

[Doc.Sust]

yep looks bad for him