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    Originally Posted by rana173
    He claims, that 9/11 happened "because we are there"
    Please enlighten us as to why 9/11 happened? Let me guess, because we are "free and prosperous and they hate us." The CIA has talked about blowback for years and years. Our foreign policy and meddling in the affairs of other nations, putting our noses where they do not belong, is what caused the hatred and motivation for the attacks. The next example we can look to, is listening to the reasons given BY the people who attacked us. Osama Bin-Laden never said that he was waging a fatwa against us because we are "free and prosperous." It was because we had bases&troops on Holy Land in Saudi Arabia and because we supported Israel(who is responsible for thousands upon thousands of Palestinian deaths). If China had troops stationed in Washington D.C.(land that is sacred to US citizens) and was funding Mexico with money&weapons, and Mexico was in turn killing thousands of US citizens along the Mexico/US border, would many US citizens not have deep seated hatred for China? Would some of them not even be so outraged as to carry out attacks against China? If you are going to talk negatively about this candidates viewpoints thats fine, but PLEASE illustrate how those viewpoints are wrong with facts, evidence, or even your opinion.

    Voted against the war in Iraq
    I almost dont even want to go here. However, as we have found, this war was propagated on one lie after the other. It has plunged our country so deep into debt many wonder how we will ever repay it. It has made many private contractors (some who fund certain candidates campaigns) VERY wealthy. It has killed almost 500,000 Iraqi civilians (please refer to BLOWBACK). It has increased the base from which terrorist/hate groups have to pool from. I could go on and on.

    Voted against the Patriot Act and is against NSA wire-tapping
    You actually agree with your own Constitutional rights being stripped away from you with the Patriot Act. You believe that 350 million people need to sacrafice their rights and their privacy so that they can be "Safe" from an almost imaginary enemy? There were maybe 1,000 people total in the middle east who had the determination, funds, knowledge, and capability to carry out an attack on the United States. I fail to see the logic behind 350 million people sacraficing their rights to be safe from such a marginal number of people. We sacrafice our rights from a "group" who does not even have a standing army, navy, or air force. "He who sacrafices liberty for safety, deserves neither." I am BEGGING you to please provide me with a rational, logical and factually based argument for why the NSA should be able to conduct WARRANTLESS wire tapping at their discretion, and why the American citizens should surrender their rights, WHEN THEY WERE NOT EVEN ASKED IF THEY WANTED TO SURRENDER THEM! When you have a group of people in Washington making decisions on our behalf that we do not agree with, that is not Democracy, that is a dictatorship. They dictate to us what is best for us. That is un-American, and it is wrong. And anyone who supports such policies is a TYRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    He is against the "Preemptive Strike" ideology.
    That is because the "preemptive strike" ideology does not work. The Constitution of the United States says that our country does not goto war unless the national security of the country is at risk, which is decided by Congress. Maybe you have never heard of the Constituion, or have never read it, or maybe you're inclined to wipe your ass with it? I'm not really sure, but if you read it, then you will understand that there is no provision for "preemptive strikes" in the Constitution, unless such a strike is necessary to ensure the national security of the country. We have no way of knowing whether the threat from Iraq was threatening our national security, because Congress was never asked. Our out of control President who was using power that he clearly did not have under law, who ignored checks&balances, decided this for us. The evidence shows that Iraq was at no time a threat to our national security. They may have been a threat to their neighbors, but again that is not our problem. That region is a million times more unstable than it was prior to our engagement.

    He believes in non-intervention.
    Yes he does. The United States was traditionally non-interventionist. You only use the military when the countries national security is being threatened. Again, please refer back to the Constitution, the document which is the framework that our country was built on. You cannot start making opinions and forming policy while ignoring this document. You MUST abide by it, and you MUST follow it. Can you please illustrate how a policy of non-interventionism is bad for the United States? We have no business meddling in the affairs of soveriegn nations in other parts of the world. We would certainly not like them meddling in our affairs. This arrogance that exists within Americans is disturbing to me, that we somehow feel that we can run a foreign country better than its leaders can. Perhaps we can, but it is certainly not our business. It would be completely out of line for me to come into your home right now, and tell you how you should be doing things, and how you should be raising your children, what time you should goto bed, and so on. And then if you did not do those things, for me to use force against you in order that you comply. Well use this simple principle and apply it to the way that we treat the international community. We are completely out of line.

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    Your points are the exact reason I Would vote for him.

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    Awesome, I didn't realize the Ron Paul stuff was on this thread too.
    All them Amero pics and the chip thing, that stuff is REAL, I saw on one of the debates where the fox news guys mocked ron paul for saying this stuff was real, trying to make him out to be a frikken loon.
    I am starting to wonder if this huge recession that coming down on us is a way for them to manipulate us into accepting the Amero because of promises of an economic revival and better living.
    Wake up people, tell your friends whats going on. I am wicked mad, if Ron Paul doesn't win in NH, it doesn't look good. No Ron Paul for Pres means I am getting the hell out of this country before the ship sinks and the gov owns my ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by convalescence69 View Post
    Awesome, I didn't realize the Ron Paul stuff was on this thread too.
    All them Amero pics and the chip thing, that stuff is REAL, I saw on one of the debates where the fox news guys mocked ron paul for saying this stuff was real, trying to make him out to be a frikken loon.
    I am starting to wonder if this huge recession that coming down on us is a way for them to manipulate us into accepting the Amero because of promises of an economic revival and better living.
    Wake up people, tell your friends whats going on. I am wicked mad, if Ron Paul doesn't win in NH, it doesn't look good. No Ron Paul for Pres means I am getting the hell out of this country before the ship sinks and the gov owns my ass.
    Yes, the diminishing strength of the dollar will be one of the main excuses to switch to the Amero. Just as that excuse was used for the Euro.

    Just as Vincente Fox (Former President of Mexico) stated how wonderful it was for all these countries to join the Union as it now made their currency strong by accepting the Euro etc...

    You make your currency strong by printing enough money that you can back with Gold, not printing a shit load of paper that has no backing.

    Simply type in "Amero" in Google or Youtube and prepared to be shocked.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

    They say everything is on track to implement the Amero by 2010.
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    I SERIOUSLY urge you guys that are concerned to watch this: http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...rt_3_of_3.html
    It covers a lot of what is being discussed here. The debt, federal reserve, Amero, the chip, passport technology. VERY GOOD! May be one of the most important video's you ever watch. You'll learn a lot about how our economy works, it will answer many of your questions.

    ...........
    Another article today puts our unemployment at 5%, thats the worst it's been in a long time.
    I am feeling the direct effects of this right now, having just graduated with my 4yr and no one is hiring.
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    I feel like panic'ing. I see this whole network of corruption leading to an unavoidable end.
    This is a carefully contrived system of control, used to slowly usurp our rights, leaving us conquered. http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...rt_3_of_3.html
    It seems so amazing to me, that Ron Paul appears to be the only guy running that is aware of all of this stuff and wants to stop it. Watch the link. I'd give one of my kidney's to get that vid on primetime Tv.

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    "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Times Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

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    Man you gotta love the blatant corruption of the media by these Elite and wonder why no one cares. Honest to god how can we all ignore this??????

    Why does no one care?
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    I say pick up your r***es and start organizing. We're beyond the point of no return already and only a critical maneuver can change things (Ron Paul). But guess what? If Ron isn't elected (and there is a very large possibility), the only option left is an actual war.

    I support Ron Paul, but this whole thing is futile. You can't beat the enemy within their own rigged system. Trying to fix the problem via elections is like trying to win a poker game that's rigged! The elite are lau***ng as this all goes on because they KNOW they have the upper hand. Now, if we start pulling out r***es they won't be lau***ng so much because they know they actually face a literal threat.

    But, they know Americans are lazy asses distracted by everything around them and they will remain willfully ignorant, so the situation is fvcked. The next 50 years for North America are going to be an absolutely interesting 50 years.

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    Sad state of affairs.
    Talking about picking up arms is very scary talk. Unfortunately I see that as an inevitability. We either fight them or they make us fight others via draft. What sucks too is if we fight them we have to fight our countrymen first as they use them as a shield.
    Bush calls himself a "war president".... that used to mean people like George Washington, people that actually led the troops into battle. So sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini
    I say pick up your r***es and start organizing. We're beyond the point of no return already and only a critical maneuver can change things (Ron Paul). But guess what? If Ron isn't elected (and there is a very large possibility), the only option left is an actual war.

    I support Ron Paul, but this whole thing is futile. You can't beat the enemy within their own rigged system. Trying to fix the problem via elections is like trying to win a poker game that's rigged! The elite are lau***ng as this all goes on because they KNOW they have the upper hand. Now, if we start pulling out r***es they won't be lau***ng so much because they know they actually face a literal threat.

    But, they know Americans are lazy asses distracted by everything around them and they will remain willfully ignorant, so the situation is fvcked. The next 50 years for North America are going to be an absolutely interesting 50 years.
    sad but so true

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    You do know that the "Pick up your r***es and start organizing" is deemed "Terrorist" activity right?

    The average American has been programmed to do everything in his/her power not to be called such names (IE: Terrorist, Racist, Conspiracy Theorist). I mean you never want to be labeled any of those things.

    Like Aaron Russo said, "You cannot be afraid of name calling, it's all they have".

    People need to understand that they can learn from history and once they do some reading, they will see how much of a farce this gov't and it's policies have become.

    WW1:

    America enters the war after the ocean liner "Lusitania" is sunk by German U-Boats even though an article in the American papers advised the liner not to go into German territory. Anyway, it is sunk and 1200 people die and boom..America enters the war! Big Money!

    WW2:

    The Japanese "surprise" attack Pearl Harbor even though Australian intellegience notifies Roosevelt of a fleet growing in numbers to attack the US. Roosevelt ignored this, we were attacked, American lives were lost. This rallied public support and we entered WWII.

    Vietnam:

    Golf of Tonkin, the complete fabrication that Vietnam attacked an American vessel when in fact the Vietnamese did not even have a Navy. So there we go again, America goes to War with Vietnam.

    Afghanistan/Iraq:

    9/11 occurs where we were once again "Attacked" and this rallies public support. We start in Afghanastan, do little to nothing then the President without the authorization from Congress sets his sights on Iraq, and we are still there today. Anybody with any goddamn common sense knows no airplane hit the Pentagon or crashed in a open field. Nor did a 757 knock WTC 1, 4 and 7 down. It is IMPOSSIBLE for those buildings to have collapsed due to being hit with commercial airliners. Building 7 went down much later that day and fell like clockwork just as if it were demolitioned. I'm not even going any further on that stuff, common sense should easily guide one to question the BS 9/11 commision findings.


    So, can you not see the pattern here?
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    Afghanistan/Iraq:

    9/11 occurs where we were once again "Attacked" and this rallies public support. We start in Afghanastan, do little to nothing then the President without the authorization from Congress sets his sights on Iraq, and we are still there today. Anybody with any goddamn common sense knows no airplane hit the Pentagon or crashed in a open field. Nor did a 757 knock WTC 1, 4 and 7 down. It is IMPOSSIBLE for those buildings to have collapsed due to being hit with commercial airliners. Building 7 went down much later that day and fell like clockwork just as if it were demolitioned. I'm not even going any further on that stuff, common sense should easily guide one to question the BS 9/11 commision findings.


    So, can you not see the pattern here?
    I'm glad to know that some people aren't totally ignorant of their government.


    WTC 7: http://youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0

    Pentagon: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QG3CvhLBvtI (watch right hand corner) http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFTHXWxWE3A&feature=related

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    I try not to say anything about the WTC business, thats some hotly contended and emotional material. What I will say about that though, WTC 7 did "collapse" very suspiciously. Anyone that watches footage of that would know right away that something fishy was going on.

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    They can call me whatever the fvck they want, i'll still have bullets with their names on them.

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    This is great too

    Witness quickly changes his mind about what he saw....

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=KYtC5sthg4s&feature=related


    Did you know that 9/11 was the only tragedy in US history where the family members of the deceased recieved money?

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    I damn well guarantee you I am going to vote!
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    i wish i could vote ron paul, but it is prob only delaying the enevitable, how can you start a revouloution with all the laws introduced to "protect" yourselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by auslifta View Post
    i wish i could vote ron paul, but it is prob only delaying the enevitable, how can you start a revouloution with all the laws introduced to "protect" yourselves?
    Uhm..let me think. Well a rather small group of men known as our founding fathers did it.

    It is that "It's enevitable, how can we do anything" attitude is what got us here in the first place. We sat by to long and let them strip our civil libertis piece by piece, of course all under the guise of "Freedom".
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    i'm not saying it couldnt be done, but with the lack of knowledge and a lazy attitude, nothing will happen, people need to learn.

    Lets say you start to rally some men together with arms, you would prob be sent to cuba for a nice little holiday. And who are you going to get? How do you tear down the walls of this establishment. as soon as soldiers can be replaced and your spending controlled is when you will see real control.

    When people actually want to do something about it it will be too late, you step out of line, there goes your so called freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auslifta View Post
    i'm not saying it couldnt be done, but with the lack of knowledge and a lazy attitude, nothing will happen, people need to learn.

    Lets say you start to rally some men together with arms, you would prob be sent to cuba for a nice little holiday. And who are you going to get? How do you tear down the walls of this establishment. as soon as soldiers can be replaced and your spending controlled is when you will see real control.

    When people actually want to do something about it it will be too late, you step out of line, there goes your so called freedom.

    We are at the stage that we simply need to educate people on the real issues going on, sure race is a serious issue, but it is a little issue compared to the Federal Reserve and what it stands for.

    A Central Bank is straight out of the Communist Manafesto.

    We simply need to educate people and wake them up. Honestly, it is working. More and more people are waking up.
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    I've discussed what Auslifta is saying with a friend of mine that is part of the "Free State Project" in New Hampshire. They are an organization of Libertarians that want to eventually secede from the union if this situation we discuss does not get fixed.
    I told him, "man, you're crazy. The media will label you a terrorist organization. They will lie to the public, you will create another Waco. If you do get enough support, they will pull a cuba and isolate you. They will landlock you and barricade your harbor as they try to starve you out, under the pretext that you are dangerous radicals."
    I do feel inspired that they would want to try, but I still haven't backed down from my position on that, I still think that is what would happen. If they were willing to fight for freedom, most wouldn't be around to enjoy it.

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    Here is something you guys should check out. It's Ron Paul from 25 years ago (1983) talking about economics. The dude is just amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GzRWSof8uQ

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    I got this from another thread, this is the kind of people that need to wake the **** up and realise that NO ONE should ever have to sacrifice civil liberties for "safety".

    The brainwashing over the last 70+ years is so ingrained in people that they do not even know what they are talking about.

    Example:

    Can you really blame the government for keeping tabs on people whether it's drugs or anything that can hurt someone.Think about it all the heat the us government got as a result of the lack of tabs we were keeping on the scum bags in the world when 9/11 hit.Hey I want my privacy as much as the next guy but there's too many assholes out there that want to hurt people.

    Take this for example in my state of NJ there's been a petroleum based odor reported in the surrounding counties where I live,it's causing headaches and nausea.For all we know it's Bin Laden and AL Queda high jacking crop dusters and polluting NJ farm lands with poison.Sure that's a far cry from the monitoring of the chemical your talking about but it's the same principal involved.

    JMO don't mean to sound like a dick but I feel there is precidence for there actions

    I would say more, but I think it pretty much speaks for itself (Take my constitutional rights my gov't, just please keep me safe). What's scary is that millions of people think this way.
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    I am ready to move to Italy

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    I am ready to move to Italy
    See ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by muriloninja View Post
    I got this from another thread, this is the kind of people that need to wake the **** up and realise that NO ONE should ever have to sacrifice civil liberties for "safety".

    The brainwashing over the last 70+ years is so ingrained in people that they do not even know what they are talking about.

    Example:

    I would say more, but I think it pretty much speaks for itself (Take my constitutional rights my gov't, just please keep me safe). What's scary is that millions of people think this way.
    Keep me safe and provide me with everything. that I may need and want..........

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