Gyno needs more than just estrogen

[shifty_git]

essential info - bump

[shifty_git]

^^^t.t.t.^^^

[maroZ]

nice info

[shifty_git]

nice info

Agreed - quality article.

[llrockyll]

great post merc!! but what do u recommend people do if they have gyno and wanna run say a test tren cycle? they dont wanna hinder their gains or make their gyno worse. also isnt it justified to say "i wanna run a IA or serm so i dont get gyno." because by taking either or, ur taking away a factor that gyno needs to form?

[Merc..]

great post merc!! but what do u recommend people do if they have gyno and wanna run say a test tren cycle? they dont wanna hinder their gains or make their gyno worse. also isnt it justified to say "i wanna run a IA or serm so i dont get gyno." because by taking either or, ur taking away a factor that gyno needs to form?

Have you read my estrogen and AI article ?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...strogen+ai%27s

If you are very gyno prone its best to look into using a AI... It's just that so many people use Ai's unnecessary ... Estrogen is a very important factor in the muscle building process..

Merc.

[Merc..]

nice info

Thank you Maro Z .... And Shifty Git ...

Merc.

[shifty_git]

Have you read my estrogen and AI article ?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...strogen+ai%27s

If you are very gyno prone its best to look into using a AI... It's just that so many people use Ai's unnecessary ... Estrogen is a very important factor in the muscle building process..

Merc.

Def give that a read fella.

Also note the part about staying away from SERM's while using 19nors.

[Merc..]

Def give that a read fella.

Also note the part about staying away from SERM's while using 19nors.

Yea , Great point Shifty .....

Using nolva can acually increase your chances of getting gyno ...

You see nolva increses PgR ( in breat tissue ) so it gives more for the 19 nors [ deca , tren , any 19 nor's] metabolites to bind to .... Thus possibly increasing your chances of getting gyno ...

Now I will say that this is not a problem for some people ... But most peeps that I know that are using 19 nors and nolva run into problems ...

Merc.

[llrockyll]

thanx guys ill give it a read right now

[Merc..]

T.T.t

^^^^^

[dupa95]

to the top

[fibpro]

Great post!

[shifty_git]

Bump

[Aftermath]

I have a gyno/estrogen related question. I started a cycle of Test-E at 500mg a week, injecting E3D. After 3 weeks (7 Injections) i had to stop the cycle. During this time i didn't use any AI as i was waiting for symptoms to occur before i relied on it. During around week 2 or so my nipples would become erect very often. This i was told was to be expected because of the extra estrogen. During this time i felt no lumps, no itching, or pain in touching them. After the 7th shot i stopped the cycle, waited 12 days and started a protocol of nolvadex at 25mg for two weeks, followed by 12.5mg for 1 week and finally 6.25mg for the final week. The first week back after the nolvadex the nipple issue wasn't as bad however my stomach was pretty bloated, which im guessing was due to some estrogen rebound. This will now be my third week off of the nolvadex and my nipples are still odd. The erect part doesnt bother me, however some instances they look normal but other instances, notably in the morning and during a workout they are erect, however the nipple areola complex forms a cone-like shape which is obviously not normal.
I can't imagine after a 3 week cycle my hormone levels at this point would still be off, so should i have a serious worry about gyno here? Should i start a letro protocol or wait a few more weeks? I should note that i still have no itching, pain or lumps that i can find and my bloating while still there isn't as bad as it was. Any information would be appreciated.

[Aftermath]

TTT Please

[Bccornut]

bump----Very nice read

[shifty_git]

^^^^

[magic32]

The initiating compound is not nearly as important as getting treatment. Yeah, Proges & Prolact are different, but both are merely forms of estro, the aromatization of which is your primary concern. Thus in the final analysis all you want to do is reduce the estro conversion be it via an Arom Inhibitor (as indicated by the name), or with a SERM which is preferred to natural estro by male receptors thereby disallowing the estro to affix itself to the affected site. Several variable hormones contribute to gyno, but if you correct the imbalance in the VERY DELICATE Test/Estro ratio by pelting the gyno growth with anit-gyno therapy drugs and simultaneously starving it of natty estro, then you’ll successfully reverse or at least satisfactorily resolve the problem depending on the severity of the growth.

Note: There are plenty of studies that authenticate this effectiveness of this method of therapy (EVEN WITH PERSISTENT PUBERTAL GYNO), but extreme cases naturally require much longer courses of treatment as I've seen 9-mths to a year and beyond. Additionally, dual or triple drug therapy in a concurrent, oscillating or sequential administration is superior to single therapy treatment.

[magic32]

Before someone calls me on the studies I alleged above, and I know they will, let me say that I don't have access to my home hard drive (which is being worked on), but here is some support from an archived thread when that system was operational, at least some pubertal evidence. Which by the way is much harder to resolve than newly incited, immature, steroid-induced gyno:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=pubertal+gyno

Enjoy, gotta run.

[Merc.]

Bumping this old thread .. lots of great info through out this thread ..... Great posting Magic ...


merc.

[Merc.]

Hey Magic ,


Did you ever come up with any solid reversal protocols ???


merc.

[J-Dogg]

Very true...

...and I'm finding so do HAART (Highly Active Anti-Retroviral Therapy) patients, those who are AIDS/HIV medicated, below are just a few of these studies:

• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
  
• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
  
• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
  
• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
  
• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
  
• http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

IF THERE'S A "GENUINE" CURE OUT THERE, REST ASSURED...I'LL FIND IT!

With guys like Magic around.....who needs to research?

[peachfuzz]

Hey Magic ,


Did you ever come up with any solid reversal protocols ???


merc.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

[peachfuzz]

merc im sure youve already read this but this is basically a more detailed version of your original post and a good read for anyone. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=226061

[Merc.]

cool thanks peach



merc.

[Buildingmuscle]

great post Merc!!

[Merc.]

great post Merc!!

Thnaks for your feedback .. Much appreaicated .. I like to know you guys feedback so we can discuss things..


If anyone has any certain topics related to steroids that they would like me to write a piece up on please just let me know ???

I love to write and would like to write about things you guys are interested in ....



merc.

[Merc.]

This is a older article I wrote .. Some good info in this thread so BUMP ...



Merc.

[Merc.]

Dam I was just reading through this thread and you guys kept it bump for a long time ... Thanks all...



Merc.

[Merc.]

Gyno sucks .....




Merc.