The Gay Baby Boom

[Kärnfysikern]

A mountain of social science, the world’s major religions, common sense and observation tell us that children have the best chance to thrive in married, mother-and-father-based families. Why not give kids the best possible chance at a normal, healthy family life instead of using them to make a cultural statement?”

But the situation isnt like you describe it. The gay parents in this case impregnate a surogate mother that carries the baby for them. Withouth the gay parents there would be no child, so the chooise is in reality.

1. A baby is born to the world that will be raised by two men.

2. No baby is born.

The third option, a baby beeing born and raised by two parents of different sex doesnt even enter the picture. So then the real question is, do you think its better that the baby isnt brought to this world rather than having it raised by two men?

[Kärnfysikern]

The problem in this discussion seems to be that the gay parents are compared to some kind of ideal straight couple.

But in reality how many kids are raised by those ideal straight parents? If I think about my friends I only know two that wasnt raised in a home with divorced parents, one parent dead, one parent alcholic or some other thing that made the parents less than ideal.

If you compare a dedicated gay couple raising a kid to the avarage parents, will they be better or worse? Thats a more valid question than to compare the gay couple to the ideal parents that mostly exist in fantasyland. I suspect that a gay couple that goes to the extent of finding a surogate mother etc shows alot more dedication from the start to their kid than most regular parents do.

[T3/T4 GSR]

I grew up in an ALL WHITE town. I got teased, had the N word written on my locker so many times we lost count. It's no different. People pick on people because they are different. Should my parents have not had children because their kids were picked on for being a different color than everyone else in the area? Switch the word homosexual in your post for Black, White, Asain or Latino and it doesn't make sense.

Point taken but don't you think some kids will end up resenting their parents growing up knowing they chose to bring them into that situation? A black kid knows his parents did the normal thing by having a baby but this kid will know his gay parents went out of their way to do something that is considered unacceptable by their peers. Look I see your point and I am all for it but as someone who was born with a disability and picked on for it as a kid I would do anything I can to make sure I never brought anyone into the world where I knew this was something they were going to endure.

[DSM4Life]

Point taken but don't you think some kids will end up resenting their parents growing up knowing they chose to bring them into that situation? A black kid knows his parents did the normal thing by having a baby but this kid will know his gay parents went out of their way to do something that is considered unacceptable by their peers. Look I see your point and I am all for it but as someone who was born with a disability and picked on for it as a kid I would do anything I can to make sure I never brought anyone into the world where I knew this was something they were going to endure.

Im sure that kid sitting in a shelter with no one to love him would be more then happy to know that his two fathers/mothers went out of their way to adopt and love him/her the way they should be loved.

[Andro9]

Choosing to be homosexual is a crime against Nature and God. TWO MEN CANNOT HAVE A BABY NATURALLY AND NEITHER CAN WOMEN!!! THIS IS FOR A REASON!!! HOLY CRAP WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE THIS AND STOP ONLY THINKING ABOUT THEMSELVES!?!?

DUH!!!

Wake up people, your sin and lust has blinded you. Period.

this is the kind of shit that makes me sick.. you..sir.. are a ****ing douche bag. i am not gay but, i believe that everyone should have the right to do or be whatever the hell they want without cocksvckers like you putting them down. man you really pissed me off.. btw werent you the one that kept saying you were a cop.. well i think you'll make a good fat useless pig

[T3/T4 GSR]

Im sure that kid sitting in a shelter with no one to love him would be more then happy to know that his two fathers/mothers went out of their way to adopt and love him/her the way they should be loved.

This isn't about adopting though this is about surrogate pregnancy

[DSM4Life]

This isn't about adopting though this is about surrogate pregnancy

So does that mean you would agree or disagree with my scenario ?

[T3/T4 GSR]

I see a bit of a difference in the mental attitude of a kid who was already born and grew up with nothing living in a shelter over someone born into the situation. The kid living in a shelter will have seen what it is like to have nothing and not take it for granted. The kid growing up as a biological child to one of the fathers may feel differently and resent his parents due to how his peers treat him. He will probably eventually grow up and accept it and appreciate them but as a kid being tormented he most definetly wont.

[Act of God]

Ok,

As for adopting, I am 100% for it. Surrogate parenting, not so much. The reason isn't because they are gay...it's that gay people aren't supposed to procreate. One of the benefits of more gay people is LESS BREEDING. This planet is horribly overpopulated, no need to add to the problem (especially if you can't do it naturally). There are so many parent-less children out there do you (or anyone for that matter) really have the need to make one of your own out of pure egotism?

Ooooh, let's see what a little me would look like!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=suxzXdl87Zc&feature=related
Skip to about 1 minute in, funny but true

[wantmoremass]

Ok,

As for adopting, I am 100% for it. Surrogate parenting, not so much. The reason isn't because they are gay...it's that gay people aren't supposed to procreate. One of the benefits of more gay people is LESS BREEDING. This planet is horribly overpopulated, no need to add to the problem (especially if you can't do it naturally). There are so many parent-less children out there do you (or anyone for that matter) really have the need to make one of your own out of pure egotism?

Ooooh, let's see what a little me would look like!

what about a sterile straight couple - maybe they're not 'supposed' to procreate - would the same logic hold true for them if they wanted to parent?

[Act of God]

what about a sterile straight couple - maybe they're not 'supposed' to procreate - would the same logic hold true for them if they wanted to parent?

Yes. Mind you, I'm not saying I would do anything to stop anyone from doing it...I just would prefer if they didn't. I'm starting to think that anyone who has more than 2 kids is just plain selfish given today's world.

[DSM4Life]

I see a bit of a difference in the mental attitude of a kid who was already born and grew up with nothing living in a shelter over someone born into the situation. The kid living in a shelter will have seen what it is like to have nothing and not take it for granted. The kid growing up as a biological child to one of the fathers may feel differently and resent his parents due to how his peers treat him. He will probably eventually grow up and accept it and appreciate them but as a kid being tormented he most definetly wont.

So children from straight couples never take their parents for granted ?

Your second point insinuates that its how a child is treated by their peers that determines if he/she will resent his parent ?


I think when it all comes down to it you don't have a clue how another human being would feel given this situation.

[kfrost06]

So children from straight couples never take their parents for granted ?

Your second point insinuates that its how a child is treated by their peers that determines if he/she will resent his parent ?


I think when it all comes down to it you don't have a clue how another human being would feel given this situation.

I can agree with you that his arguement is weak, very weak. It's the equivalent as saying a black couple should not have a kid because of racism and the kid(s) would be teased for being black. Again that agruement is pathetic. Besides, every child at some point resents their parents. I hated mine because I had to get up and go swimming every morning but I got over it and realised I was a lucky kid.

However, since (hopefully) we can all agree the childs best interest should be the number one priorty, over everything, even politics. I would like someone to argue why 2 dads or even 5 dads for that matter is better then 1 mom. I see it like this, a mother has, lets say, motherly instincts. Whether through nature or God(you have to believe in at least one) has designed women to bear children and rear them and I am talking more than biology. There is a certian nurturing quality a mother has that no man can ever duplicate. With this arguement which is often used in custody hearings to the benefit of women and to the child should also be used in adoption and it is, unless politics takes over.

Seriously, keep an open mind before you respond and think what your childhood would be like without your mother and answer honestly.

[kfrost06]

But the situation isnt like you describe it. The gay parents in this case impregnate a surogate mother that carries the baby for them. Withouth the gay parents there would be no child, so the chooise is in reality.

1. A baby is born to the world that will be raised by two men.

2. No baby is born.

The third option, a baby beeing born and raised by two parents of different sex doesnt even enter the picture. So then the real question is, do you think its better that the baby isnt brought to this world rather than having it raised by two men?

well the article starts literally in the first 2 words, "Using adoption" and thats the direction the thread has gone and that is what my responses are geared towards.

[Kärnfysikern]

well the article starts literally in the first 2 words, "Using adoption" and thats the direction the thread has gone and that is what my responses are geared towards.

But the rest of the article was more about surogate

Now when it comes to adoption I se no problem. it would be interesting to se some statistics on adoption though, i.e are there more kids up for adoption than there are parents willing to adopt?

[Kärnfysikern]

IHowever, since (hopefully) we can all agree the childs best interest should be the number one priorty, over everything, even politics. I would like someone to argue why 2 dads or even 5 dads for that matter is better then 1 mom. I see it like this, a mother has, lets say, motherly instincts. Whether through nature or God(you have to believe in at least one) has designed women to bear children and rear them and I am talking more than biology. There is a certian nurturing quality a mother has that no man can ever duplicate. With this arguement which is often used in custody hearings to the benefit of women and to the child should also be used in adoption and it is, unless politics takes over.

Seriously, keep an open mind before you respond and think what your childhood would be like without your mother and answer honestly.

Honestly? Well looking back, if I could "redo" my life I would have rather spent my childhood with two loving gay parents than with my biological parents. Just because a man and a woman can make a child doesnt mean they are worth anything as parents.

[DSM4Life]

However, since (hopefully) we can all agree the childs best interest should be the number one priorty, over everything, even politics. I would like someone to argue why 2 dads or even 5 dads for that matter is better then 1 mom. I see it like this, a mother has, lets say, motherly instincts. Whether through nature or God(you have to believe in at least one) has designed women to bear children and rear them and I am talking more than biology. There is a certian nurturing quality a mother has that no man can ever duplicate. With this arguement which is often used in custody hearings to the benefit of women and to the child should also be used in adoption and it is, unless politics takes over.

I would like someone to argue why 2 dads or even 5 dads for that matter is better then 1 mom.

I feel too many people emphasize on the gender of the parents. There is no way to argue that one mother is better then five fathers or vise versa. In my eyes the most vidal part to raising a child is to have a parent that has unconditional love for their child. Doesn't matter if its a mother+ father, father+father, or a mother+mother. If you are going to love the child and raise the child to the best of your ability then i think that person(s) are fit to be a parent.

Whether through nature or God(you have to believe in at least one) has designed women to bear children and rear them and I am talking more than biology.
I don't believe in god so i can't get too deep into this one.
Just to scratch the surface of this one, nothing in this world is perfect. All you can do is make the best of what cards you were delt.

There is a certian nurturing quality a mother has that no man can ever duplicate.

False, false ,false. Again stop using your fairytails as facts. If this were true how come so many mothers give their children up ? How come some mothers give birth to a child and put him in a trash can and walk away ?
You can't say that all mothers have this quality which discredits your statement but i do agree that the good ones do.

[T3/T4 GSR]

So children from straight couples never take their parents for granted ?

Your second point insinuates that its how a child is treated by their peers that determines if he/she will resent his parent ?


I think when it all comes down to it you don't have a clue how another human being would feel given this situation.

Of course they do. Look I don't have a crystal ball and obviously I can't predict how every person will feel about any situation. I can only go by how I think it just might go for them. This is just one of those things where you will have your opinion on how a person might feel in a certain situation and I have mine. If a gay couple want to have a kid with a surrogate parent I think they should have that choice I just don't think it is the best option. Adopting a kid is a better way to go IMO giving the amount of children who are in need of adoption all over the world. Since gays can't have kids naturally maybe this is the best solution since they can give a kid a warm loving home that they otherwise may have never had.

[Information]

this is the kind of shit that makes me sick.. you..sir.. are a ****ing douche bag. i am not gay but, i believe that everyone should have the right to do or be whatever the hell they want without cocksvckers like you putting them down. man you really pissed me off.. btw werent you the one that kept saying you were a cop.. well i think you'll make a good fat useless pig

Check your PMs.

[RA]

A father that helps his daughter shop for her first bra? insert a tampoon? I don't care if you read a book on it or have a female friend that will "help" no one knows when the first peroid is going to be and it will be arkward, having daddies there will not help! Wake up and quit being so selfish, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT THE CHILD!

Im not a homosexual parent advocate but certainly a good father can help guide their daughter through these things. If a father, can get over their qualms about discussing these issues their daughters would listen. I talk to my oldest all the time about this stuff and shes going through puberty.

[Carlos_E]

Im not a homosexual parent advocate but certainly a good father can help guide their daughter through these things. If a father, can get over their qualms about discussing these issues their daughters would listen. I talk to my oldest all the time about this stuff and shes going through puberty.

I didn't know you had kids. How old are they?

[RA]

12, 8, 6, 4 G,B,G,G Awesome kids

I didn't know you had kids. How old are they?

[Carlos_E]

12, 8, 6, 4 G,B,G,G Awesome kids

Congrats man!

How do they feel about having a gay dad?






Sorry, i couldn't resist!

[RA]

LOL, Carlos you suspect every guy is gay.

Congrats man!

How do they feel about having a gay dad?






Sorry, i couldn't resist!

[Carlos_E]

LOL, Carlos you suspect every guy is gay.

Just joking man.

[RA]

Just joking man.

I know.

I will say this. Ive never seen homosexuals raising a child living in a beat up trailer and the kids running around in the yard with a diaper that should have been changed...yesterday...

[kfrost06]

I will say this. Ive never seen homosexuals raising a child living in a beat up trailer and the kids running around in the yard with a diaper that should have been changed...yesterday...

I will say this. Ive never seen homosexual men raising a child and breast feeding him/her in public. I wonder why? Maybe we can make a law requiring nature to allow men to breast feed too.

[Kärnfysikern]

I will say this. Ive never seen homosexual men raising a child and breast feeding him/her in public. I wonder why? Maybe we can make a law requiring nature to allow men to breast feed too.

Men have all the neccesary gland etc to produce milk. They just need to intentionaly develop a bad case of gyno

[RA]

Kids should have a mother and father. No question. But in the absence of that Ive seen places that are much worse. The children of homosexual couples that I have seen look well groomed and, for the most part, are well behaved.

I will say this. Ive never seen homosexual men raising a child and breast feeding him/her in public. I wonder why? Maybe we can make a law requiring nature to allow men to breast feed too.

[DeputyLoneWolf]

this is the kind of shit that makes me sick.. you..sir.. are a ****ing douche bag. i am not gay but, i believe that everyone should have the right to do or be whatever the hell they want without cocksvckers like you putting them down. man you really pissed me off.. btw werent you the one that kept saying you were a cop.. well i think you'll make a good fat useless pig

I think I should have put my last post in other words and also I feel I should explain myself. I do not support the acts of homosexuality and do not condone it. However I do not hate anyone that is homosexual. I hate the acts as I feel they are wrong and not what God or nature intended. I would not have a problem lifting in the same gym and have with guys and girls that are homosexual. I have had them as training partners. They knew my views and respected them and I appreciated that. I also knew theres and we never got in any arguments. We respectfully disagreed on things, politics included lol. Well I hope that cleared up things a little.

DLW