The Protein Myth

[MASTER]

There are only so many amino acids your body can use. Your body has an "amino acid pool" viewing a protein source only by itself dosent do it justice. All amino acids are going to this pool. (if not oxidized) therefore Biological value only matters if you eat soley ONE kind of protein source over the course of a whole day.

The stuff hernon sells are hydrolized collagen amino acids - sure i agree Liquid BEEF sounds cooler . You could simply buy almost any other liquid amino acid product add some glycerine and you have a cheaper version of "LBAs".

The question we have to ask ourselfs is if amino acids get "lost" during digestion if we eat "normal" food. And do more amino acids reach our amino acid pool when they are predigested? AFAIK approx 90% of whole food proteins do reach the amino acid pool. So i highly doubt you could make the same gains using 80g Protein predigested to compared 300g from whole foods.

It is true though that 1-1.5g Protein per lbs Bdwght is sufficient. I feel that no more is needed.

Keep in mind that Phil Hernon sells the product rather agressively and attacks anyone who has to say something against it. Most people who report good results do so because of high glycerine ingestion which binds a lot of water within the muscle cells therefore causing more pump and a dry appearance.

It is less than 90%, as 10% of the caloric content is used to digest it alone. Indeed there are a number of factors involved, since different people digest at different rates and people have a different threshold for how much protein can be effectively processed in a period of time. Over saturation is a definate issue. For example, eating 100g of protein at a single sitting would result in a large amount of it being excreted, and with different people and different circumstances (general diet, use of drugs (aas, insulin etc) supplements, health etc) , how much is excreted would of course vary massively. Negligible energy would be needed to digest aminos in the form that protein is eventually broken down into, to be useful.

Im not saying the ratio is 80g to 300g, that was just an example, I have no idea what the actual figures would be, adequate research has not been done into it anyway, at least not that I have been able to find thus far. Again the number of variables would also prove an issue in any such conversion attempt (content of the product used, protein sources, rate of digestion of people used for the study etc) I was merely talking about future possibilities.

I am also aware of the interests of Phil Hernon, I was just using it as an example of how people are already trying to achieve what I was talking about. If you noticed I also said he may not be telling the truth, my reason for this obviously being him selling them. The usefulness of glycerine in this case is overstated imo, but whether the product actually works is of minimal importance, as I was talking about the future, not the present. Both Goose and I are going to be experimenting anyway, and I will definately keep everyone up to speed with how it goes. I will not be using Phils product, just fyi.

[200byjune]

like cavemen. they were very strong and they ate everything raw

[Pac Man]

I would much rather drink egg whites than eat them but it's not logical seeing how they don't break down efficiently and I get killer gas from them.
I tried to make an eggwhite shake with cooked eggs once, it was horrible.
I remade it with tuna, beans and peanut butter and it was even more less pleasant.
I'm just going to stick to eating real food now