why do grown ups dress like this?

[*RAGE*]

This is not about Obama its about why peopel where they pants down around their a**..Nothing more...Obama is president and with a lot of white votes so it must not have been to racial....

[FireGuy]

This is not about Obama its about why peopel where they pants down around their a**..Nothing more...Obama is president and with a lot of white votes so it must not have been to racial....

Do we have to connect the dots for you? It's about racial stereotypes and in that aspect it's about the same thing.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Do we have to connect the dots for you? It's about racial stereotypes and in that aspect it's about the same thing.

Thank You.

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you all.

I believe that this is an issue that requires sensitivity and caution on the part of those who are not black themselves. It is one thing if a black person criticizes blacks; this is usually almost always in the form of constructive criticism and self-betterment. On the other hand, criticism from non-blacks comes across as racist, insensitive, etc.

Being a Muslim myself, I of course incline towards the views of my fellow (orthodox) black Muslims. They are very strong in their opposition to such clothing, and urge their black people to refrain from it. They say to abandon this entire hip hop subculture. I would elaborate more on this issue, but perhaps I should be cautious since I am not black myself.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[*RAGE*]

I have read the thread and dsm4life put it best on how it all started most of the comments have not ben racial at all. Now you are mad fireguy and for what reason... is someone attacting you I thank not and if you where your pants like that it is all good I have seen you pics..

[FireGuy]

I have read the thread and dsm4life put it best on how it all started most of the comments have not ben racial at all. Now you are mad fireguy and for what reason... is someone attacting you I thank not and if you where your pants like that it is all good I have seen you pics..

I am not mad just trying to point out what I thought to be the obvious.

[*RAGE*]

So J542S posted a racial thread and now after 66 post you are jumping on the wagon and wanting to fight about it...

[Ernst]

Well said Nark.

[D7M]

yah, this sht should get locked soon.

[Matt]

For all those that didnt know, like myself. Homonym: a word pronounced and spelt the same as another, but having a different meaning..

[Narkissos]

For all those that didnt know, like myself. Homonym: a word pronounced and spelt the same as another, but having a different meaning..

You're a good sport Matt.

Do 'gall' next.

[*RAGE*]

real soon before it get loud....

[Matt]

Gall: to annoy or irritate, informal bold impudence, a sore on the skin caused by rubbing. This word seems to have loads of meanings lol.

[jimmyinkedup]

Wow it is sad ...steroetype ...the very thing that started the hostility in this thread...is being participated in by the very people that first objected to it. If that's not being part of the problem, not part of the solution i don't know what is. I def suggest some reading of MLK Jr for several people in this thread...including those who apparently feel they are more intelligent than others and seemingly feel , based on their blatant participation in the very problem they criticize, they mistakenly understand not only the problem but the solution.Yet they continue (regardless of race) to be a part of the problem. Very misguided IMO....

[Narkissos]

Wow it is sad ...steroetype ...the very thing that started the hostility in this thread...is being participated in by the very people that first objected to it. If that's not being part of the problem, not part of the solution i don't know what is. I def suggest some reading of MLK Jr for several people in this thread...including those who apparently feel they are more intelligent than others and seemingly feel , based on their blatant participation in the very problem they criticize, they mistakenly understand not only the problem but the solution.Yet they continue (regardless of race) to be a part of the problem. Very misguided IMO....

I think you're quite lost.

Show me the 'stereotype' being 'participated in'.

Thanks.

-CNS

[FireGuy]

Wow it is sad ...steroetype ...the very thing that started the hostility in this thread...is being participated in by the very people that first objected to it. If that's not being part of the problem, not part of the solution i don't know what is. I def suggest some reading of MLK Jr for several people in this thread...including those who apparently feel they are more intelligent than others and seemingly feel , based on their blatant participation in the very problem they criticize, they mistakenly understand not only the problem but the solution.Yet they continue (regardless of race) to be a part of the problem. Very misguided IMO....

I appreciate your input into the discussion and I truly believe you mean well but I too am lost and confused as to what you are trying to say.

[DSM4Life]

Poor Philadelphia Eagles.....

[jimmyinkedup]

and there in lies possibly the biggest portion of the problem. Potentially at the base of this very issue ...the ease at which we see behaviors in others yet are so unable to recognize them within ourselves. Our inability to do so allows us to become a part of the very problem we wish to eliminate. Read your previous posts ...you may get my drift. Also seriously MLK Jr was a genius, such a spiritual man and wrote often of this very topic....do with it what u will ....but its (his work) enlightening for all people ..regardless of race. I mean no disrespect to you personally Nark ....Im calling it like i see it.
Oh and if needed the stereotyping began with the "typical defense" statement and continued from there with others....

[Narkissos]

and there in lies possibly the biggest portion of the problem. Potentially at the base of this very issue ...the ease at which we see behaviors in others yet are so unable to recognize them within ourselves. Our inability to do so allows us to become a part of the very problem we wish to eliminate. Read your previous posts ...you may get my drift. Also seriously MLK Jr was a genius, such a spiritual man and wrote often of this very topic....do with it what u will ....but its (his work) enlightening for all people ..regardless of race. I mean no disrespect to you personally Nark ....Im calling it like i see it.
Oh and if needed the stereotyping began with the "typical defense" statement and continued from there with others....

Sorry buddy... But i'm still totally lost as to what you're referring.

Personally i think this discussion, and subsequent banter, went over your head...

Right now you're grasping at straws.

-CNS

[jimmyinkedup]

Sorry buddy... But i'm still totally lost as to what you're referring.

Personally i think this discussion, and subsequent banter, went over your head...

Right now you're grasping at straws.

-CNS

Perhaps ...or it went over yours. After the statement i pointed out (where you sterotyped me into a category that anyone who knows me and how i live my life would see as ridiculous) you proceed to group people as ignorant and discount their posts based on the fact that they were applying incorrect grammar etc... Stereotyping them and disregarding them based on level of grammatical application , spelling and other points (using it to categorize them , make them look stupid, etc..)... So should people who dont know grammar or cant spell or have the same vocabulary as you be discounted as stupid and their opinions not considered? Why is that different than stereotyping by color of a mans skin. Its the same ignorant mistake. Think about it. A lot of racism is based on sterotype ...to speak against it using the same ignorance ...regardless of context ...feeds in to the very core of the problem. Nonetheless its all good...

[Narkissos]

Perhaps ...or it went over yours. After the statement i pointed out (where you sterotyped me into a category that anyone who knows me and how i live my life would see as ridiculous) you proceed to group people as ignorant and discount their posts based on the fact that they were applying incorrect grammar etc... Stereotyping them and disregarding them based on level of grammatical application , spelling and other points... So should people who dont know grammar or cant spell or have the same vocabulary as you be discounted as stupid and their opinions not considered? Why is that different than stereotyping by color of a mans skin. Its the same ignorant mistake. Think about it. A lot of racism is based on sterotype ...to speak against it using the same ignorance ...regardless of context ...feeds in to the very core of the problem. Nonetheless its all good...

This proves that the discussion went over your head.

I neither discounted nor disregarded anyone. (a redundant statement BTW... as the two words can be used interchangeably)

Neither did i call anyone 'stupid'.

Follow the dialogue dude...

The dialogue, as opposed to your preconceived (and clearly short-sighted) argument(s).

I shall reiterate my point, as the previous posts' meaning have clearly eluded you.

My point to the posters in this thread was simple:


You have no right to label anyone's culture or belief-structure as 'stupid'... simply because its logic or applicability cannot be defined by the societal constructs which are your reference base.

Furthermore, the head perpetrators of said behaviour(s) exhibited the sentence and verb agreement of 12 year olds.

This, by the way (in case you are still lost), places said individuals in a parallel position... as they are plausibly open to the exact ridicule they perpetrate on people who are different.



In conclusion... i stated this:

If people spent less time trying to demonize others, and more times trying to improve themselves, societal interaction would be much more homogenous IMO.

^^i.e. People should stop labeling and discriminating against others.

You have clearly over-reached...and you should stop while you are behind.

Thanks.

-CNS

[D7M]

I was trying to stay out of this one, but I gotta agree with Nark. Jimmy, I don't see what you're getting at.

[WOLFCRAFT]

It cracks me up that you guys turned this into a matter of race.
It's about two jackoffs who don't know how to wear clothing properly.

All because I said monkey.
Sorry, throwing a pile of clothing in the penguin house wouldn't really have made sense.

Some people need to check their estrogen levels.

[Narkissos]

^^Or.. you need to think prior to typing?

Food for thought I'd say.

[*RAGE*]

^^Or.. you need to think prior to typing?

Food for thought I'd say.

And you need to not read into thing before you type..brother

[OH REALLY]

I really don't see to much discrimination in this thread REALLY

I have white ,Spanish and black friends that dress this way and i think they all look funny but there my friends and i have baggy close my self no one should be upset with this thread.
+ how do you know they just didn't loose a lot of weight.

[jimmyinkedup]

Nark - wow so you mean maybe i misinterpreted your intent ..the same way maybe you misinterpreted the posters above yours that you called racist? (btw - that was purely a devils advocate statement, but give it some thought)
If you also give some thought to my posts and re read what you posted , perhaps you will get a better understanding of my point. Perhaps not. One thing we do agree on is your closing statement of people stopping the labeling and discriminating against others.
BTW - I think if u read my very first post in this thread ....it corresponds with your thoughts as far as labeling etc....

[WOLFCRAFT]

Nark, no offense but you really seem like you're trying too hard here.

The president is black now dude, everything is cool.

[WOLFCRAFT]

Take my initial post and apply it to this photo instead...
Problem solved.

[DSM4Life]

Just for the record , i dont think there is anything wrong with guys exposing their @$$es

[*RAGE*]

I hope that did not make you mad bro just playing around

[Flagg]

That stupid ****ing fashion statement is even over here in the UK.

It looks ****ing stupid, I mean what next? Just walking around in public in your boxers?

[OH REALLY]

Oh really

[Tock]

It looks ****ing stupid, I mean what next? Just walking around in public in your boxers?

Why not?

People wear less on the beach. I've seen dancers on stage who wear outfits that would fit in the top of an aspirin bottle.

I agree that the fashion looks stupid. But then, so do a lot of other fashions. If all the stupid fashions were outlawed, then we'd all end up wearing jeans and t-shirts, unless someone thought those looked stupid as well.

However, for anyone inclined to intervene on behalf of anyone awkwardly attired, you might make them aware that if they wanted a job with someone who thought that sagging pants indicated stupidity (which would include most employers), they might never get a job. But dressing to please a prospective employer could result in a steady income.
And the choice, as it should be, would be theirs to make.

[Narkissos]

Why not?

People wear less on the beach. I've seen dancers on stage who wear outfits that would fit in the top of an aspirin bottle.

I agree that the fashion looks stupid. But then, so do a lot of other fashions. If all the stupid fashions were outlawed, then we'd all end up wearing jeans and t-shirts, unless someone thought those looked stupid as well.

However, for anyone inclined to intervene on behalf of anyone awkwardly attired, you might make them aware that if they wanted a job with someone who thought that sagging pants indicated stupidity (which would include most employers), they might never get a job. But dressing to please a prospective employer could result in a steady income.
And the choice, as it should be, would be theirs to make.

Solid post.

I agree 100%.

[JDawg1536]

Solid post.

I agree 100%.

Just cuz u like seeing me in a speedo......

[higherdesire]

I hope that did not make you mad bro just playing around

No worries. I thought it was funny too bro!

[Tock]

The Dallas City Council considered a city ordinance prohibiting sagging pants, but it was quickly pointed out that such a law would be unconstitutional. That was the end of that.

If my business was oriented at teens, I'd hire kids with sagging pants. But my business is oriented at the more prosperous 40-70 crowd, so I look for more conventionally attired employees.
I recall the controversy over hair length in the 1960's and 70's. If the critics had been correct, civilization would have collapsed years ago under the social horrors resulting from men with long hair. Criticism of saggy pants isn't any different. And 20 years from now, critics will complain about something else that teenagers are doing.


All in all, it's much ado about nothing . . .

[OH REALLY]

And 20 years from now, critics will complain about something else that teenagers are doing.

those mechanics didn't look like teenagers

[Bossman]

those mechanics didn't look like teenagers

They are surely young adults. Most commonly the style is associated with young adults.