'Don't ask, don't tell' ban on gays in US military ends

[Shol'va]

That's midland slang

[Marine2000]

Again the comment is made "in a combat environment who cares what your sexual orientation is". Combat makes up such a small percentage of an actual enlistment I don't think thats the actual point. Its the rest of your time in.

And to the comment about men leering at woman all day, we don't do it in a mixed shower my friend.

I'm sure I've showered with gay men while I was in the Marine Corps. It would have been very unsettling to me if the guy next to me had been reading man on man porn before the shower though. I'm sure you can understand that.

[dec11]

Again the comment is made "in a combat environment who cares what your sexual orientation is". Combat makes up such a small percentage of an actual enlistment I don't think thats the actual point. Its the rest of your time in.

And to the comment about men leering at woman all day, we don't do it in a mixed shower my friend.

I'm sure I've showered with gay men while I was in the Marine Corps. It would have been very unsettling to me if the guy next to me had been reading man on man porn before the shower though. I'm sure you can understand that.

it wouldnt really bother me, nobody is interfering with me so why would i care? and thats a quite unlikely scenario you have in your head. being in proximity of gay men wont make you gay, so what are you so scared of? sure i cant undewrstand how a man finds another man attractive but it doesnt mean i hold it against them, just live and let live in every aspect of life

[Marine2000]

it wouldnt really bother me, nobody is interfering with me so why would i care? and thats a quite unlikely scenario you have in your head. being in proximity of gay men wont make you gay, so what are you so scared of? sure i cant undewrstand how a man finds another man attractive but it doesnt mean i hold it against them, just live and let live in every aspect of life

I thought it could be contracted by water exchange?

Look, I think overall this was a great debate that never went overboard. There was no gay bashing and very little hostility. In the end I'm sure it will all turn out well. DOD will write policy as certain issues arise. I'm just an old fashion republican and I resist change.

[Shol'va]

I thought it could be contracted by water exchange?

Look, I think overall this was a great debate that never went overboard. There was no gay bashing and very little hostility. In the end I'm sure it will all turn out well. DOD will write policy as certain issues arise. I'm just an old fashion republican and I resist change.

Uh huh that's whats wrong here. lol

[dec11]

Marine2Marine2000;5755991][/B]I thought it could be contracted by water exchange?

Look, I think overall this was a great debate that never went overboard. There was no gay bashing and very little hostility. In the end I'm sure it will all turn out well. DOD will write policy as certain issues arise. I'm just an old fashion republican and I resist change.

you even changed your user name to show solidarity hehehehe

[Shol'va]

Again the comment is made "in a combat environment who cares what your sexual orientation is". Combat makes up such a small percentage of an actual enlistment I don't think thats the actual point. Its the rest of your time in.

And to the comment about men leering at woman all day, we don't do it in a mixed shower my friend.

I'm sure I've showered with gay men while I was in the Marine Corps. It would have been very unsettling to me if the guy next to me had been reading man on man porn before the shower though. I'm sure you can understand that.

Somehow I just don't see anyone in the service environment with gay porn in their posession

[Hoggage_54]

I'm sure I've showered with gay men while I was in the Marine Corps. It would have been very unsettling to me if the guy next to me had been reading man on man porn before the shower though. I'm sure you can understand that.

It sounds like you could write a script for gay porn...

[Shol'va]

It sounds like you could write a script for gay porn...

[Hoggage_54]

[Hoggage_54]

[Shol'va]

LMAO^^^^^^^ Dec you bad lol

[Ernst]

Times they are a-changin'. When I was in high school not that long ago being openly gay would have been tantamount to suicide. Now there are quite a few openly gay students there.

While it may be what I think is right I'm shocked the military did it so soon. I would have expected them to drag their feet another decade or so. I mean, gays still don't really have equal rights (read: marriage) in a lot of places in the US.

[Shol'va]

A little humor for Marine2k... Update: Well Marine2000 I just watched the evening news and found you are not alone in your dislike of gays in the military. What is it about the Republican party that they are the party of discrimination against gays, and why are the christian right all Republican?

[Shol'va]

whether anyone here is for or against DADT I strongly suggest you watch the HBO Special The Strange History Of Don't Ask Don't Tell. It honestly just might change your views.... for the better I hope.

[gixxerboy1]

I cant believe the Soldier in Iraq was boo'd during the debate the other night

[Shol'va]

I cant believe the Soldier in Iraq was boo'd during the debate the other night

Why is it always the Republican party being the one of intolerance? We are supposed to be the bastion of freedom here in America..Freedom and justice for all...that is unless your gay according to the Republican party. I had no idea the the military due to manpower shortages allowed waivers for men who were convicted of crimes such as rape, and robbery, drugs, etc, and allowed to serve in the military, but not gays. Then we have on record some of these rapists who are allowed in to go over to Iraq and rape Iraqi women. But that is ok as long as they aren't gay. Man some of the crap that goes on over here. Man I know I'm overly vocal on some of these issues but this whole gay issue in the military should never have been there in the first place. IMO Being this is America and it is 2011, We should have been the very first military to allow them to serve openly, with all other countries following suit.

[Shol'va]

I cant believe the Soldier in Iraq was boo'd during the debate the other night

Yeah I would like to know how the Log Cabin Republicans feel about their party now.....

Update..never mind I just found out how they feel...

http://www.logcabin.org/site/apps/nl...33&ct=11231881

[Lemonada8]

I guess i never realized that one could be discharged for sexual orientation. I thought it was a 'non-discussion' issue and kept at that. I do agree that it was wrong to be discharged solely on the fact of sexual orientation.

[bigboy67]

everybody takes themselves too serious imo. you think guys are skeeving on you in the shower? what a joke. a perv is a perv, doesnt matter if you are gay or straight. they are just people who prefer something different than the mainstream. big whoop.

[wmaousley]

I would like to congratulate all the Straight, Straight Acting, Closet Gay, Gay, Bi, Bi-Curious, Pan-sexual, Omnisexual men & women who serve in our armed forces, this was a glorious achievement for our nations future.

Cant wait to see which unit patches get some vibrant colorful makeovers lol, also the uniforms may become more stylish

[quarry206]

been in ten years, been on 3 combat tours, and multiple other out of country tours.. if people haven't thought gay men were in the military before now they are stupid.. i personally know of a gay commander I had, probably the best damn cpt i ever served under..

people are just stupid, don't ask don't tell will only effect ignorant people.. when asked service members as a whole voted they could care less about gay men and women serving in the military.


On a side note: gay men and women can still be subjected to basis under UCMJ (were anal sex is illegal), which I'm sure some jerk will try, but at the same time any soldier ever to receive a BJ from his wife would have to punished also, If they went that route.

[trix1000]

I would also say congratulations, but this country is not out of the woods yet. While we might have accomplished something great in the repeal of DADT. There are thousands of young Americans across our nation still living in the closet and in fear of ridicule from friends and sometimes even there own families. We live in a country that's ran by old racist politicians that would come out for slavery (on both sides). First gay Man in military came out in 1975 and their still fighting for gay rights 30yrs later. So while I am happy for the gay and lesbians serving our great nation, fighting over seas. We are still stuck as a nation IMO. When a 14 yr old kid sees no other alternative than suicide because of being abused and bullied by school mates and so called friends for being gay!!!! wake the **** up we have a problem, I know first hand the intolerance. My sister is gay and my parents refuse to talk to her they just disowned her. We havent had contact with our family for almost 20 yrs over something as small as who she likes and wants to spend her life with. She's happy that's what matters. But I do wonder how happy my parents are not being in our life.
I must say this is a great thread. Need more like this on other subjects affecting us.
Religion should be next. Wow that would get heated.

[spywizard]

What i find intolerable is people that demand acceptance and tolerance and yet are so unwilling to accept or tolerate opinions that differ from their own.

Using terms to describe others with a different opinion or viewpoint in order to belittle or devalue/minimize their opinions is wrong and bigoted.. it's terms like ignorant, uneducated, trailer trash, republican, democrat, fagot, queer, etc etc...

Those that scream out the most tend to be the most intolerant in their speech and in their world views..


Just my observation though..

[jimmyinkedup]

What i find intolerable is people that demand acceptance and tolerance and yet are so unwilling to accept or tolerate opinions that differ from their own.

Using terms to describe others with a different opinion or viewpoint in order to belittle or devalue/minimize their opinions is wrong and bigoted.. it's terms like ignorant, uneducated, trailer trash, republican, democrat, fagot, queer, etc etc...

Those that scream out the most tend to be the most intolerant in their speech and in their world views..


Just my observation though..

Huh ...i devalue and minimize the opinions and viewpoints of others all the time. I judge people all the time. It serves me well, allows me to surround myself with the type of poeple I wish to be surrounded by. I judge racist poeple as ignorant....because i feel they are. Does that make me intolerant? Perhaps. At least my judgements of people are based on the choices they make and things they have control over. Not stupid things like the color of their skin at birth or which sex they live their life loving.

It always cracks me up when someone posts some zen bs about how those judgements I make are just as bad. The idiot pothead Moose (yup i judged him) used to post that type of BS. In my mind you are accountable for your actions , character and moral fiber. These are within your control. I'll keep judging people based on them as well. I wont judge on stupid things like skin color , religion , or sexual identity or preference.

[spywizard]

exactly.. We all judge if it's based on life experiences, and rejections of the things in our lives that are of no value it increases the experience of ourself..

if we judge and voice or take action to effect the opinions and or actions of others to reflect our own values instead of theirs.. well that's pretty much what Hitler, religious organizations, and others..

it tends to lead to a cynical view of human kind. At least that's the direction my life experiences are taking me.

It's like i do not surround myself with people who i view as "toxic" either to them self or society..

My mind is strong enough to take in and or observe other ideas but in the end it's up to me to decide if they are of value to me, and to reject those things and ideas that are of no benefit to me or those that i love and care about..

[trix1000]

We are taught intolerance, we've observed it in our lives as youngsters, and while growing up. So as we grow up it becomes more acceptable to us. In our lives and every day comments when speaking with close friends. man I am so guilty of this, I hate to admit it but I am. Even with someone in my fam having to deal with this shyt. >jerk<

[trix1000]

Keep it bumped guys it's important for people to read this and see what kind of people we have in these forums. My dipshit cuz has been harassing me for joining these forums. Asking me why would you want to talk to those "meat head juice bags" meaning you guys. I'm sorry, I'm apologizing for him. I tried to explain to him that when you need sound and reliable advice on these subjects its important to branch out and open your mind to other sources of information. It's not like I can go and schedule an appointment with a chemist and a doctor right... And ask him or her to explain all this stuff to me. ?

[gixxerboy1]

I agree we all judge people to some extent for some reason. But to discriminate against those people isn't right.
If people don't want to be in the military with gays because it bothers them, Then don't join the military. Thats your right. But gays shouldn't be banned because it bothers some.

[trix1000]

I agree we all judge people to some extent for some reason. But to discriminate against those people isn't right.
If people don't want to be in the military with gays because it bothers them, Then don't join the military. Thats your right. But gays shouldn't be banned because it bothers some.

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[Shol'va]