Cycle at 22

[FONZY007]

Where is the pics !!!

[cherryking]

old school muay thai, being hit in shins with bamboo or kicking wooden posts to cause microfractures and its fvcking painful

Haha, my hands are pretty brutal and calloused, also 3 boxer fractures to the 5th metacarpals 2 on the left hand one on my right hand, lol there's some bone density.

[gonzo6183]

ok ok enough already...

POST A PICTURE, age aside lets see if you are ready

[Capebuffalo]

His original question: I know many of you will not support some undeveloped young adult running a cycle but i plan to, here is my question, say I am undeveloped and am going to **** up my hormones, which is more likely to do it. A light cycle of test or a light oral only of t-bol. would the t-bol be less likely to screw my hormoes because it dose not aromatise? or would the test be better?. If no one gives me an answer i will be taking the t-bol only at 50mg ed for 5 weeks with a clomid pct of 100/50/50/50

I know oral onlys are frowned apon but at my age wouldn't a turnabolin only be a better option then getting shut down hard by test ?

Thx! all opinions welcome, and all respect to tho's that may disagree with young aas!
Last edited by cherryking; Yesterday at 05:43 PM.

[Capebuffalo]

And his other post:T-bol Only V.s Test Base
Haven't really bin able to find the answers i have bin looking for, Which would be better. "Better" as in healthier on endorice system at a young and undeveloped age, say 18, because that would be insanity, but legal. A good beginner cycle Test E or A cycle of just T-bol. I know traditionally an oral only is a very disrespected cycle , but what about for someone with an undeveloped body, would the t-bol be healthier because T-Bol doesn't aromatize? Or would the Test base still trump.
Dose aromatization matter? I know no matter what any steroid before the age of 21-25 would be very harmful, but that aside, wouldn't a test base shut the kid down harder then just an oral ?

Thx all opinions welcome!

[C-BuZz]

POST A PICTURE, age aside lets see if you are ready

He's ready....

[gonzo6183]

^^^ Wouldnt surprise me at all

[jimmyinkedup]

God this thread is aweful and 7 mins of my life i'll never get back.........

[JonnyConcrete]

The average human skeleton weights about 4lbs. So lets say your very small boned and yours weighs 3 lbs.........

[gonzo6183]

Yeah not sure what all this talk about 30,40,60lb bone mass is anyway???

At 5'9 my bone mass is: 2644.51g (2.64451kg, 5.818lb)

how is bone size going to have much of an effect on your overall weight and composition?

[DanB]

The average human skeleton weights about 4lbs. So lets say your very small boned and yours weighs 3 lbs.........

who told you that? completely wrong mate

its about 15-20% of total weight

[DanB]

Yeah not sure what all this talk about 30,40,60lb bone mass is anyway???

At 5'9 my bone mass is: 2644.51g (2.64451kg, 5.818lb)

how is bone size going to have much of an effect on your overall weight and composition?

so you weigh 20lbs

how did you work that out?

think about it for a minute, your bones weigh the same as 2 bags of sugar according to you? they must be made out of foam or something then

[The Bear 79]

so you weigh 20lbs

how did you work that out?

think about it for a minute, your bones weigh the same as 2 bags of sugar according to you? they must be made out of foam or something then

No......they're made out of "sugar"............2 bags to be exact.............duhh.......................geeezzz............must you always have your hand held Dan...............

[DanB]

sorry bear, thanks for correcting me, dont want to be giving out b.s. info haha

[gonzo6183]

so you weigh 20lbs

how did you work that out?

think about it for a minute, your bones weigh the same as 2 bags of sugar according to you? they must be made out of foam or something then

Look I dont know sh*t about bones but here is a copy of my dexa acan results that claim my bones weight that much, formulated with their density I am smack back in the middle of average for my height



Maybe im wrong but not according to this and what the person doing the scan explained to me (including bone weight)

[DanB]

thats only a handful out of about 200 bones so mabey that why it so low but im 100% certain that its 15-20% of gross weight

[DanB]

actually no its not, its a summary of them

i'll show it me mate later, he a degree in sport science and is qualified to carry out them scans, it was him that told me it 15-20% of overall weight

[gonzo6183]

thats only a handful out of about 200 bones so mabey that why it so low but im 100% certain that its 15-20% of gross weight

True so its definitly not a full weight of ALL the bones yet that is every major or large bone covered and if that is what they weight I cant Imagine all the other tiny bones weighing much at all.

As for 15-20% of gross weight on that theory when I used to weigh 57kg (full adult at 25) my bones were 8.5-11.4kg but now im at 88kg (31) my bones weight 13.2-17.6kg?

Adjustment to 12%-20%:
at 57kg 6.84kg-11.4kg
at 88kg 10.56-17.6kg

According to my results I am spot an average (15%, when I was 80kg)
that puts me at 12kg which could fit into the above ranges (almost)
But that doesnt explain why the 10 major sections of bones (eg full arm, not just one bone in arm) total 2.6kg?

Very interested to find out, and this is more interesting than the OPs thread anyway lol

[DanB]

taken from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skeleton

The human skeleton consists of both fused and individual bones supported and supplemented by ligaments, tendons, muscles and cartilage. It serves as a scaffold which supports organs, anchors muscles, and protects organs such as the brain, lungs and heart.

The biggest bone in the body is the bone in the thigh and the smallest is the stapes bone in the middle ear. Several factors contribute to the bone density and average mass of the human skeleton including; gender, race, hormonal factors, nutrition, physical activity and lifestyle behaviors.[1] Because of these and other factors affecting an individual's weight the human skeleton may comprise between 12 and 20 percent of a person's total body weight with the average being 15 percent.[2]

Fused bones include those of the pelvis and the cranium. Not all bones are interconnected directly: there are three bones in each middle ear called the ossicles that articulate only with each other. The hyoid bone, which is located in the neck and serves as the point of attachment for the tongue, does not articulate with any other bones in the body, being supported by muscles and ligaments.

[gonzo6183]

actually no its not, its a summary of them

i'll show it me mate later, he a degree in sport science and is qualified to carry out them scans, it was him that told me it 15-20% of overall weight

Sounds good, let me know. Just hear to learn and share info right...

Cheers Gonzo

[DanB]

True so its definitly not a full weight of ALL the bones yet that is every major or large bone covered and if that is what they weight I cant Imagine all the other tiny bones weighing much at all.

As for 15-20% of gross weight on that theory when I used to weigh 57kg (full adult at 25) my bones were 8.5-11.4kg but now im at 88kg (31) my bones weight 13.2-17.6kg?

yeah i see what your saying, it isnt going to change, there must be some other scan that does that? i dont know but it says what im saying in above post aswell

[gonzo6183]

Edited post 2 up...

Im going to have to look into this more now or it will play on my mind. Let me know what you come up with

[DanB]

BMC = bone mineral content and it is measuring the mineral content and not the weight?

[gonzo6183]

BMC = bone mineral content and it is measuring the mineral content and not the weight?

IF that is the case then the moron running the clinic where I went has no idea what they are doing as they were telling me it was my bone weight and then combined with a formula gave me a density, we had a full discussion on it. Hmm still going to keep looking into it to make sure 100%

[DGK]

Really the argument or pissing contest started with, me stating I have small bones and being argued with that I do not have small bones. then progressed to apparently small bones shouldn't affect muscle growth... But the bigger the bones the bigger the tendon insertions, the bigger the tendons the bigger the muscles able to grow naturally on the tendons.. 190 pounds 12%BF with 6 inch wrists, I would like to see someone match those stats, How is that not a good base to start juice, obviously anyone who argues doesn't completely know what they are talking about.. "Completely" maybe they know 99% i am not trying to insult any of you.

so do fat ppl just have big bones

[JonnyConcrete]

Fuuark. I had no idea. On my PT course I'm sure they said the skeleton weighs like 4lbs. I always thought it was a bit light.