Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[Atomini]

UPDATE: Added more to the FAQ. Added answers to how to use Prami and Caber, answered common liver/kidney questions, answered HCG question, added answers to T3 question.

[DeadlyD]

Caber is pretty much the only thing i'd take on cycle. I would still keep nolvadex on hand but not take it during the cycle unless absolutely needed though.

Define a 'typical pct'?

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

[Atomini]

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

All good except for the clomid. Please see my posts in this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...prefer-for-pct and this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d-during-cycle to see my opinions on clomid.

[kelkel]

All good except for the clomid. Please see my posts in this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...prefer-for-pct and this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d-during-cycle to see my opinions on clomid.

Atomini do you think this clomid link inserted into the sticky would help?

[Atomini]

Atomini do you think this clomid link inserted into the sticky would help?

You mean in the FAQ part under the PCT question?

[thex95]

All good except for the clomid. Please see my posts in this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...prefer-for-pct and this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d-during-cycle to see my opinions on clomid.

neither of these links work anymore, so do you suggest people use soley nolva for PCT without any clomid?

[Atomini]

neither of these links work anymore, so do you suggest people use soley nolva for PCT without any clomid?

Yes.

Here, I fixed the links. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...prefer-for-pct and http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d-during-cycle to see my opinions on clomid.

Damn forum keeps screwing with my links!

[thex95]

Yes.

Here, I fixed the links. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...prefer-for-pct and http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d-during-cycle to see my opinions on clomid.

Damn forum keeps screwing with my links!

haha awesome thanks man.

[jacobk91]

If finasteride won't help hair, what about nizoral shampoo or topical spiro?

[Atomini]

If finasteride won't help hair, what about nizoral shampoo or topical spiro?

Nizoral is an excellent addition if you want to keep yourself at bay from androgen related hair loss.

When you said five years straight with zero no-tern periods I thought you meant Tren every week of every month for 5yrs straight...that's why I questioned it.

Why are you worried about the detection time of Nandrolone? Are you tested?

No, i'm not tested but it just concernes me when the metabolite of a particular compound lingers around that long in your system. No other AAS comes anywhere close to 13 month detection times.

Thanks Atomini, also how would I dose the caber ?

See the FAQ. Caber should be dosed at 1mg per week while using tren or any 19-nor compound.

[MRgetitdone]

dude this is great info

[DeadlyD]

All good except for the clomid. Please see my posts in this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...prefer-for-pct and this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d-during-cycle to see my opinions on clomid.

Thanks Atomini, also how would I dose the caber ?

[Atomini]

UPDATE: Added answers to two new questions in the FAQ:

Q: If Tren is highly androgenic, does that mean hair loss will occur with it? What can I do about it?

and

Q: What kind of PCT do I need to run after coming off a tren cycle?

[slatts77]

do you still need to run HCG?

[Atomini]

do you still need to run HCG?

Please see the FAQ, this is answered there.

[Atomini]

Guys, if you see people post new threads asking questions about tren, please direct them here. I am hoping that this thread will cut down on at least 95% of the daily tren questions here in the forum.

[thex95]

great threads just read them both. So would you say for a basic cycle of lets say prop @ 100 mg eod a pct consisting of - Nolva 40/20/20/20.?

This seems so foreign to me because all the research I have ever done always points to using the both together, so using just nolva is a complete game changer for me.

Also your the man bro

[Atomini]

great threads just read them both. So would you say for a basic cycle of lets say prop @ 100 mg eod a pct consisting of - Nolva 40/20/20/20.?

This seems so foreign to me because all the research I have ever done always points to using the both together, so using just nolva is a complete game changer for me.

Also your the man bro

Yes, I've been running nolva on its own for the majority of my PCT with a standard 40/40/20/20 protocol. There has been some evidence in some research to suggest that clomid has purpose in the very very early stages of PCT, but in my eyes it is not enough to justify its use (and then you have to get into the high dose of clomid you'd have to use to elicit that effect, the cost to benefit ratio, and risk the stupid sides it comes with). Most of the research you'll find points to using both because that's been passed down from generation to generation to generation without revision. It's an outdated practice with research showing that clomid's days of being a very important addition to PCT is effectively over.

[thex95]

Yes, I've been running nolva on its own for the majority of my PCT with a standard 40/40/20/20 protocol. There has been some evidence in some research to suggest that clomid has purpose in the very very early stages of PCT, but in my eyes it is not enough to justify its use (and then you have to get into the high dose of clomid you'd have to use to elicit that effect, the cost to benefit ratio, and risk the stupid sides it comes with). Most of the research you'll find points to using both because that's been passed down from generation to generation to generation without revision. It's an outdated practice with research showing that clomid's days of being a very important addition to PCT is effectively over.

Awesome dude, if I cycle again I'm going to give the just nolva a shot.

[t-dogg]

How about another question. What are the dectection times for all ester types of Tren? In the steroid section before had all this information on all AAS, but since has been deleted.

[Atomini]

How about another question. What are the dectection times for all ester types of Tren? In the steroid section before had all this information on all AAS, but since has been deleted.

Good question. Simple answer is: 4-6 months. Everybody is different and some people may be 4, and others may be as long as 6 months The detection time is the same for all esters, and this is because when looking at detection times, it only involves the anabolic steroid itself. The ester has no effect on detection times, because it is the metabolite that lingers in your body that is what the tests look for. Case in point: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate's detection time is 13 or so months - this is the exact same detection time as Nandrolone Decanoate (deca), yet we all know that NPP and deca have huge differences in their esters.

[NaturalJohnny]

If I'm going to be using tren e, when should I begin taking my daily 0.5mg of prami? Also, should I run an AI for the duration of the tren e?

[Atomini]

If I'm going to be using tren e, when should I begin taking my daily 0.5mg of prami?

As soon as possible. First day of your cycle.

[t-dogg]

So with that said, for all steroids the leaner you are the faster it should leave your body right?

[Atomini]

No. The only anabolic steroid this would apply to would be Nandrolone Decanoate. This is because the Decanoate ester is so long, it makes the molecule highly lipophilic (fat soluble). As a result, the compound can remain in your fat tissue for extended periods of time (far long even after you've finished your cycle). Many people have reported as long as YEARS later, getting sexual dysfunction issues (deca-dick, etc.) out of nowhere. This is because years later, there still existed Nandrolone Decanoate in the peron's adipose tissue and this was causing (from what I gather), prolactin release from the pituitary due to the person still having trace amounts of deca in their system. This is one of the reasons I will never use deca. I don't need deca still floating around in my system messing with my body functions years after i've finished my cycles that contained it.

As far as all other AAS, the detection time is always correlated with the metabolites, since it is the metabolites that they look for in the tests. Some metabolites clear your body fast, and others linger longer.

[t-dogg]

No. The only anabolic steroid this would apply to would be Nandrolone Decanoate. This is because the Decanoate ester is so long, it makes the molecule highly lipophilic (fat soluble). As a result, the compound can remain in your fat tissue for extended periods of time (far long even after you've finished your cycle). Many people have reported as long as YEARS later, getting sexual dysfunction issues (deca-dick, etc.) out of nowhere. This is because years later, there still existed Nandrolone Decanoate in the peron's adipose tissue and this was causing (from what I gather), prolactin release from the pituitary due to the person still having trace amounts of deca in their system. This is one of the reasons I will never use deca. I don't need deca still floating around in my system messing with my body functions years after i've finished my cycles that contained it.

As far as all other AAS, the detection time is always correlated with the metabolites, since it is the metabolites that they look for in the tests. Some metabolites clear your body fast, and others linger longer.

If the ester doesnt matter then, why does Test P leave your system in just a few weeks? Test S in 2weeks tops? Yet Test E stays in your system for up to 3months?

Thanks, didnt want to derail this stickie. Just curious now.

[Atomini]

If the ester doesnt matter then, why does Test P leave your system in just a few weeks? Test S in 2weeks tops? Yet Test E stays in your system for up to 3months?

Thanks, didnt want to derail this stickie. Just curious now.

I will look into this further, but I am pretty sure the detection time for all test esters is pretty much the same. The esters do make a difference, but it is not huge differences. The differences that exist between esters is more so related to the slower release of longer esters and that's about it (i.e. testosterone propionate is going to metabolize into epitestosterone, which is what they look for in tests, far quicker than testosterone enanthate). A lot of websites out there are giving out false detection times.

[Anabolick]

if you already have slight prolaction induced gyno, will caber reverse it?

[Atomini]

if you already have slight prolaction induced gyno, will caber reverse it?

It should. However, also be aware of your estrogen levels as well. Controlling your estrogen levels are key to controlling the rising prolactin as well.

[Anabolick]

It should. However, also be aware of your estrogen levels as well. Controlling your estrogen levels are key to controlling the rising prolactin as well.

Oo thanks , but is it possible to reverse it by simply taking an AI as well? My new cycle will be arriving shortly and I have A-dex....



I assume that you're talking about prevention, not reversal though :/

[t-dogg]

I will look into this further, but I am pretty sure the detection time for all test esters is pretty much the same. The esters do make a difference, but it is not huge differences. The differences that exist between esters is more so related to the slower release of longer esters and that's about it (i.e. testosterone propionate is going to metabolize into epitestosterone, which is what they look for in tests, far quicker than testosterone enanthate). A lot of websites out there are giving out false detection times.

The information i just posted was from here before they took it down. Yeah lmk what you find.

[slatts77]

do you have to run HCG during?

[Atomini]

do you have to run HCG during?

This is answered in the FAQ. Please read the FAQ before asking anything, as your question is likely already there.

[slatts77]

sorry i saw the answer for that a couple days ago but my post kept getting repeated

[shananagins]

could you start out with tren E and finish up with tren ace for a cycle?

[Atomini]

Yes you can. But why would you want to do that? Up to you but it makes things more complex than necessary.

[shananagins]

I'm all about Keep it simple Stupid but order came in with one tren ace and one tren E when it was suppose to be 2 bottles of tren Ace so was wondering if it was worth it to run them or just re order. thanks for all your knowledge and help

[shananagins]

test prop wks 1-8
tren E wks 1-3
tren a wks 4-8
caber 1 mg per week
pct nolva 40/40/20/20
maybe something like this?

[Atomini]

Yeah that sounds like it would work pretty well actually. By week 3, the tren enanthate should have built up to a steady level in your blood. Once you throw the Tren A in there, you're good to go.

This isn't as rare as you might think. I do know one guy who uses tren e and tren a AT THE SAME TIME.

[shananagins]

Dang that's crazy tren e and ace at the same time to gnarley for me.
I am so stoked to see a great thread on this monster of a steroid so much myth and negative talk and finally it can be all set straight by experience and knowledge. Glad I kept reading this forum I will direct many here. Can't wait to start My next cycle in 3 months! Was Gonna try tren this last cycle but didnt pull the trigger cause didn't feel like I was educated enough.