Atomini's NOOPEPT log!!!

[Atomini]

I could see PETA all over this lol

Yeah i'll just stick with testing it on myself for now lol. I am just so astonished at the benefits i've seen in just 3 - 4 days of use. EVERYTHING that has been happening to me since starting Noopept as dictated all of the signs of a healthy and fast-recovering Central Nervous System. Many of us don't realize how run down our CNS is from the amount of intense training we do. Often times, if it gets so bad many of us will experience lethargy and strange weaknesses despite getting solid 8 - 9 hours of sleep every night and maintaining an immaculate diet, etc (although those are symptoms of heavy heavy CNS over-taxation and damage). Your CNS controls EVERYTHING in your body from how well you can train in the gym, to how well you perform during sex, to your memory and mental acuity. This shit is a god damn miracle!!! Imagine the benefits for older individuals and elderly people not just for their brain function....

[Tron3219]

Yeah 3rd day. If you count Wednesday (the day I started) then that would make it now 4 days. The effect of making everything feel serene i'd say is still there. You have to understand it's not some overtly noticeable effect. At higher doses, it probably would be. But at this point (30mg 2x daily) I do notice it but it's nothing like "WOW CHECK THIS OUT!!" unless of course I combine Adderall with it. But so far so good.

Yeah I understand, but I'm assuming you are like me and can feel/notice even the slightest change that is made in your body. When I say serene feeling, I don't mean it in a trippy feeling. Like hey omg you have to come look at these sounds lol but a more relaxed, crisp, thought process. Almost clutter free if you will.

[Atomini]

LOG UPDATE:

Performed a chest and back workout not too long ago. I am thoroughly convinced that Noopept is allowing me to generate far more forceful muscle contractions during workouts. No major strength gains to make note of aside from what i'm seeing from my cycle, but I made a distinct observation of the intensity of the muscular contractions I was able to pull off during my workout. That absolutely must provide a bonus to any strength training and bodybuilding workout regimen. The greater number of muscle fibers that can be recruited in a given set during a lift, the greater the stimulus will be!

I have also been saying for YEARS to people that I have always suspected that not only do we need to deal with the issue of muscular recovery from the damage caused from exercise stimulus, but many people just do not realize there is a second component to our workouts and recovery that also undergoes stress and damage: the central nervous system (CNS) and related neuromuscular connections. The majority of people just do not realize how much you are taxing your CNS when you're engaging in intense heavy lifting to failure (think about the amount of pain you're going through during an intense set - that's A LOT of strain on the CNS!!!). The neuromuscular system is resposible a great deal in terms of how much strengh one can have in the gym, and therefore how much muscle growth can be triggered/stimulated, so it stands to reason that if the neuromuscular system is overtaxed/overlaoded, progress will halt. DHT and various AAS stimulate neuromuscular activity/contractile ability of muscle, but it is very well known that your CNS and neuromuscular connections DO NOT repair, regrow, and regenerate like the muscles do when the system has been over taxed and over stimulated. You could call it CNS burn-out, and every serious trainee has had to have experienced this at one point or another. Remember those times when you're training hard, muscle recovery is great, but somehow something just isn't allowing you to push it further but you can't really pinpoint what it is? It's almost as if you need to take some time off? That's your CNS being overloaded.

The CNS just does not repair and heal as efficiently as the muscles do following intense training. It may be anecdotal evidence at the moment, but i'm positive that Noopept should actually provide CNS regeneration and recovery, and i'm absolutely certain that should Noopept be used in combination with an AAS cycle, one should be able to cover BOTH aspects of recovery: muscle repair/growth AND neuromuscular CNS repair/growth!!

My observations are preliminary at the moment, but lets see what happens over the next couple of months of Noopept use in terms of workouts... because today during my back and biceps workout, I could really tell that aside from the more intense contractions, that my mind-muscle response and pain reception was very different from before I started using Noopept. I swear, Noopept is looking to be the 'AAS' of CNS recovery in a training program...

[wh1spa]

Considered capping it? or do you just cart it around with you? do you cap any of your own supps?

[Atomini]

Considered capping it? or do you just cart it around with you? do you cap any of your own supps?

Yeah i've been capping some of it lately but honestly its easier for me to just weigh it on my microscale and just down the powder with water. I'll only cap it if I know I need to take it with me if i'm on the go.

[ElectraMaddox]

Atomini I love your postssss

[Atomini]

Yeah, I'm really excited for it to come. I'm hoping it comes closer to 3 days then 5 lol I go home tomorrow and ill b there till Wednesday. I really hope I get it. I'm almost POSITIVE I have a run down CNS. I work over 100 hours a weeks, typically get 4 hours of sleep, train hard, had been in a caloric deficit. I'm really hoping to get a good brain boost lol

You are THE PERFECT candidate for Noopept then. I will be looking forward to your reports on any changes you experience from it. If your CNS is that run down from all of those factors (especially lack of sleep, that will absolutely destroy your CNS), then this stuff should get your right up to proper function. It is possible that this is why i've felt much more 'springy', ready to go, and full of energy in the morning now ever since taking it. I would try to get more sleep though if I were you, as lack of sleep regardless of what you're taking isn't a good thing as you know.

You know how when you were a child and you'd wake up in the morning and just JUMP right out of bed just bursting with energy, ready to go out play, have fun, and get on with the day? Well, that's what Noopept has made me feel like ever since taking it. I've noticed that into my adult years, mornings became more groggy, less motivating, more sluggish. And of course as we age, it just gets worse and worse and worse. Noopept has effectively brought back that childhood feeling of being charged with energy when waking up. And dare I say it was better than when I used HGH!!! And you know what everyone says about how HGH makes them feel after waking up. This feels better than that for me.

Atomini I love your postssss

Thanks! Much appreciated. Has this thread got you considering hopping on to the Noopept train like everyone else?

[faither]

Do you think your mind muscle connection has been inhansed due to your added ability to focus on what ever task you are doing at the time, and because of this you are 100% working the targeted muscle hence a more intense work out?

[Atomini]

Do you think your mind muscle connection has been inhansed due to your added ability to focus on what ever task you are doing at the time, and because of this you are 100% working the targeted muscle hence a more intense work out?

Yes, absolutely. That's why I mentioned I could distinctly notice the ability to generate stronger contractions. If I happen to be on Adderall during a workout, I can generate contractions SO HARD that the muscle will sieze up, no kidding. But Adderall specifically causes neutransmitter release in the synapses to rise to extreme levels. Noopept doesn't cause such a distinct effect, but it still causes it nevertheless. And it feels as though it is much more steady, stable, and safer. The reason why I say this is because the amphetamines in Adderall basically FORCE your nerve cells to blast more neurotransmitters into the synapses. Noopept's nature is not the same. Noopept could be better described as causing more efficient neurotransmission that doesn't 'force' the nervous system to do anything, but instead provides optimal functioning (or moderately higher than optimal) due to its restorative, repairative, and regenerative effects on the CNS. It's much different than Adderall's effect of an extremely higher than normal neurotransmission in the CNS that is essentially forced by the amphetamines.

By the way, I have PMed AR-R and told him/them to check out this thread and i've mentioned that Noopept would be an excellent addition to AR-R's products, especially considering all the raw Noopept powders are easily attainable legally. Therefore, manufacturing/brewing it into a liquid solution that is convenient to ingest would be very easy. I think plenty of people would enjoy getting it from AR-R considering their products have a good reputation.

[HitIt]

thanks for the info broseph. I have alzheimer's in my family and am always looking out for such things.

[Atomini]

Wh1spa, you don't NEED to take it with food. Noopept has shown a very very very very very high oral bioavailability through oral administration on an empty stomach. Consumption with food merely increases it a bit more but how high can you really go if you're, lets say, 97% absorbtion? lol. I take mine with food just because. But you don't have to. Don't over-think this stuff. Just down the powder/liquid/whatever form of Noopept and you're good to go.

Side note: I just REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLLLYYYYY hope to god that this stuff doesn't become banned and/or a scheduled substance in the near future as it grows in popularity. It's SO sad to think that risk still exists for something that really provides 100% positive benefits and literally no negative effects... I hope the FDA and the US government doesn't get stupid and retarded about this like they have with everything else...

[Atomini]

Well, it wouldn't be the first time the FDA and the government has done it.

[MuttonChop]

I was on Piracetam for a while during my 2nd year of Engineering. I did feel a tiny bit more focused but I couldn't tell whether it was a placebo. It almost felt like I was motivated to do school work because I was on a racetam. You feel me?

The only noticeable effect that definitely could not be a placebo was a brightning of all colors after a few days. It just seemed as if all objects had a slight aura about them. But if you concentrated too hard to notice it, you couldn't.

If these nootropics were so damn good, why isn't the Canadian army supplying them to every one of their soldiers? The armed forces are, historically speaking, the first one to hop on any kind of drug bandwagon that gives them even a slight advantage.

Not a believer yet, but I have my fingers crossed that they do work...definitely need something like these if I plan on a PHD.

[Atomini]

I was on Piracetam for a while during my 2nd year of Engineering. I did feel a tiny bit more focused but I couldn't tell whether it was a placebo. It almost felt like I was motivated to do school work because I was on a racetam. You feel me?

The only noticeable effect that definitely could not be a placebo was a brightning of all colors after a few days. It just seemed as if all objects had a slight aura about them. But if you concentrated too hard to notice it, you couldn't.

If these nootropics were so damn good, why isn't the Canadian army supplying them to every one of their soldiers? The armed forces are, historically speaking, the first one to hop on any kind of drug bandwagon that gives them even a slight advantage.

Not a believer yet, but I have my fingers crossed that they do work...definitely need something like these if I plan on a PHD.

I find that kind of logic to be very strange. Why isn't the military administering anabolic steroids to all of their soldiers? Why isn't the military handing out amphetamines like candy to soldiers deployed in combat zones? Why aren't they pumping every single soldier up with a whole myriad of different drugs that have been proven to facilitate increased speed, strength, aggression, motivation, wakefulness, energy, confidence, and determination? There are several different answers to that question which are so very obvious that I won't spell it out for you right here. You should already know the answer(s) to that.

Interesting insight to your Piracetam experience. But remember that Noopept has been measured to be approximately 1,000 times stronger than Piracetam, which was the strongest Racetam on the market before the creation of Noopept. A strength factor increase by one thousand is VERY significant.... Trenbolone is only 5 times the strength factor of Testosterone, and look at how powerful even that small distinction makes it. Imagine if Trenbolone was one thousand times stronger than Testosterone. Your post is almost tantamount to saying "well, i've used Testosterone and I personally didn't find it to be as effective as I expected, so I will maintain my doubts about Dimethyltrienolone.". That's kind of flawed rationale.

Considering your Piracetam use, I think you'd be a great candidate to try out Noopept and let us all know what differences, if any, you would experience between the two. I know i've been experiencing incredible benefits in the last few days since starting Noopept. But unlike you, I haven't used Piracetam so therefore I have no possible method of comparison.

[MuttonChop]

I find that kind of logic to be very strange. Why isn't the military administering anabolic steroids to all of their soldiers? Why isn't the military handing out amphetamines like candy to soldiers deployed in combat zones? Why aren't they pumping every single soldier up with a whole myriad of different drugs that have been proven to facilitate increased speed, strength, aggression, motivation, wakefulness, energy, confidence, and determination? There are several different answers to that question which are so very obvious that I won't spell it out for you right here. You should already know the answer(s) to that.

Interesting insight to your Piracetam experience. But remember that Noopept has been measured to be approximately 1,000 times stronger than Piracetam, which was the strongest Racetam on the market before the creation of Noopept. A strength factor increase by one thousand is VERY significant.... Trenbolone is only 5 times the strength factor of Testosterone, and look at how powerful even that small distinction makes it. Imagine if Trenbolone was one thousand times stronger than Testosterone. Your post is almost tantamount to saying "well, i've used Testosterone and I personally didn't find it to be as effective as I expected, so I will maintain my doubts about Dimethyltrienolone.". That's kind of flawed rationale.

Considering your Piracetam use, I think you'd be a great candidate to try out Noopept and let us all know what differences, if any, you would experience between the two. I know i've been experiencing incredible benefits in the last few days since starting Noopept. But unlike you, I haven't used Piracetam so therefore I have no possible method of comparison.

In reference to the part in bold: The military has in fact has been using drugs for a long time. Amphetamines were used extensively by American soldiers during World War 2 actually, and were only banned in 1965.

There was also Project MKUltra, which used LSD to alter the minds of soldiers. Even though it is difficult to confirm this, loads of soldiers have come forward and stated that they had been given shit like PCP and MDMA.

Ephedrine is still used today on the battlefields, even though it has been shown that increasing levels of norepinephrine leads to higher chances of PTSD (something that can totally destroy a person's life...ask any vet).

Aderall is prescribed like candy within the army. It seems military doctors just need to hear the A of ADD to give out mass prescriptions of these drugs.

There is a catch to all of this. For one, the governments have become much more "sympathetic" about soldier's health now. Soldiers are given these stimulants with the instructions to use them when in a situation where it's positive effects outweigh the negative ones. A soldier that had an 8-gauge go through his leg might actually survive if he pops an amphetamine and somehow manages to get back to base. Steroids, on the other hand, are something that you cannot use on a case by case basis. You cannot put a solider at risk from constant steroid usage just because he might survive one day because of a relatively slight increase in strength, speed, or aggression. He might never even see a proper battle.

Nootropics seem to be something that would give soldiers a huge advantage. But the military seems to have no interest in pursuing long term effects of these drugs, and nor do they seem to have used it in any known trials. Name me almost any other drug with any slight benefit and I will point out to you when and where it was used by the military.

This is not to start an argument. Just making my case. Good luck with your log. I will see whether I can find a reliable source for this and perhaps give it a go.

[Atomini]

I am well aware of all of those facts. But you just inherently answered your own original question with your post, lol. When it comes to the military in general, they tend to do (for the MOST part) some of the most illogically stupid things and decisions that are often backwards because of the fact that the military loves to hold on to tradition more than rational logical decisions that will move things forward to a better degree. I have a lot of military experience (CF), and you know what's funny? I have a buddy in the army who was administered Testosterone in a study performed by military doctors (and civilian doctors contracted by the military) to observe the effects of Testosterone on physical performance. The study was conducted on several different soldiers. I thought that was funny when I found out about it and he told me the specifics of what happened. I told him they should've used me in the study instead - free gear! This was only maybe 3 or 4 years ago too.

Let me know if you do decide to try Noopept, as I am curious what your opinion would be considering you have previously tried Piracetam. You have sort of a baseline measurement to go off of now.

[MuttonChop]

Let me know if you do decide to try Noopept, as I am curious what your opinion would be considering you have previously tried Piracetam. You have sort of a baseline measurement to go off of now.

Ah what the hell...in the name of science!!! I will spend tomorrow finding a proper source for Noopept and place the order. When I say proper source, I mean Canadian cuz I have had enough of those fkers at customs. And also, even though it is unlikely that people would produce counterfeits for such an easily obtainable product, I would still want to make sure I am not paying for Noopept and getting Piracetem (who could tell the physical difference right?).

Perhaps there is a melting point difference...too sleepy to google it...till tomorrow then!

[Bigshotvictoria]

Ah what the hell...in the name of science!!! I will spend tomorrow finding a proper source for Noopept and place the order. When I say proper source, I mean Canadian cuz I have had enough of those fkers at customs. And also, even though it is unlikely that people would produce counterfeits for such an easily obtainable product, I would still want to make sure I am not paying for Noopept and getting Piracetem (who could tell the physical difference right?).

Perhaps there is a melting point difference...too sleepy to google it...till tomorrow then!

I'm not sure if anyone has acknowledged this post or not, I didn't see any. From the research I've done I've found that you will NOT find a Canadian source. This product is illegal to manufacture and sell in Canada, but legal to import into Canada up to a 3 month supply, with no definition of what constitutes a 3 month supply available. It took me all of 2 seconds to find a hundred suppliers from the US that mail to Canada. From what I've been reading you will have no problems getting it, as it is legal. The only shipments being seized are ones that falsify their labelling, as this is Illegal. So order it from the states, only order 3 months, and have them be honest with what it is on the labelling (unless you're ordering a boat load.

[lovbyts]

I'm not sure if anyone has acknowledged this post or not, I didn't see any. From the research I've done I've found that you will NOT find a Canadian source. This product is illegal to manufacture and sell in Canada, but legal to import into Canada up to a 3 month supply, with no definition of what constitutes a 3 month supply available. It took me all of 2 seconds to find a hundred suppliers from the US that mail to Canada. From what I've been reading you will have no problems getting it, as it is legal. The only shipments being seized are ones that falsify their labelling, as this is Illegal. So order it from the states, only order 3 months, and have them be honest with what it is on the labelling (unless you're ordering a boat load.

Really? You might want to modify your search then. I'm not in Canada but after seeing MuttonChop post I did a little research and forwarded him a manufacturer who is in Canada and he looked into and verified the information and they are legit and available. You might want to hook up with MuttonChop to share information.

[wh1spa]

Really? You might want to modify your search then. I'm not in Canada but after seeing MuttonChop post I did a little research and forwarded him a manufacturer who is in Canada and he looked into and verified the information and they are legit and available. You might want to hook up with MuttonChop to share information.

First source I found was in Canada! ^

[Bigshotvictoria]

Really? You might want to modify your search then. I'm not in Canada but after seeing MuttonChop post I did a little research and forwarded him a manufacturer who is in Canada and he looked into and verified the information and they are legit and available. You might want to hook up with MuttonChop to share information.

REALLY!!! Oh man, I'm waiting for mine to come up from Ohio; a homegrown source would be nice. I'm glad you guys have corrected me, being wrong isn't so bad at times!

[lovbyts]

Ah what the hell...in the name of science!!! I will spend tomorrow finding a proper source for Noopept and place the order. When I say proper source, I mean Canadian cuz I have had enough of those fkers at customs. And also, even though it is unlikely that people would produce counterfeits for such an easily obtainable product, I would still want to make sure I am not paying for Noopept and getting Piracetem (who could tell the physical difference right?).

Perhaps there is a melting point difference...too sleepy to google it...till tomorrow then!

Well since it's legal in the US we could have a meet and greet with some of the BC brothers and Seattle area people? Just a thought. Not sure of the legality on taking it back though?

I was thinking the same thing, even though it is cheap and legal I'm sure there are those (CHINA) who would sell bunk powder just for the sake of fvcking with people. Seems they will risk someones health even for a few pennies profit. Sorry if I offend anyone. I'm not picking on the race; as most know I love Asian, only pointing out how some individuals are and they seem to be centralized in china when it comes to this stuff.

Sucks becaue I have actually found it for cheap but again from Chian. 100g for just over 100 bones. Could be flour though. I have gotten some expensive flour from China before. lol

[Atomini]

LOG UPDATE:

The energy and wakefulness I have in the morning upon waking up is just incredible, even following a lack of sleep from the night before. I would never reccomend this, but last night I attempted to see if less sleep would somehow hamper this effect from the Noopept, so I stayed up until 1:30am before I went to bed, and then woke up this morning at about 7:15am (about 5 hours and 45 minutes of sleep, which I find woefully inadequate for myself) and I still woke up with ZERO groggyness, ZERO energy drain, and ZERO feeling or desire to want to go back to bed. I stayed up until 8:30 to see if this would wane at all, and it didn't. But I went back to bed at 8:30 any ways. The fact of the matter is that the energy boost provided by this stuff upon waking in the morning is no joke, but the great thing is that the energy you get won't hamper any abilities to go right back to sleep if you wanted to.

[Atomini]

Some more insight on a forum into the different Choline variants available:

There are many choline donors to make Acetylcholine, they are rated on their ability to convert into Acetylcholine in the brain. From weakest to strongest (more or less):

PhosphatidylCholine
Choline (As bitartrate, Chloride, and Citrate)
DMAE
CDP-Choline
Alpha-GPC

I usually recommend CDP-Choline, due to the large amount of studies conducted on it.

And,

It depends on how much money you have. I don't really view CDP-choline as a source of choline but rather another nootropic. It is on the more expensive side even for nootropics though. And if you're going to use one or the other alpha-GPC is superior to CDP choline IMO.

I would assume that there is an advantage to using choline + inositol but I don't really know much about inositol. You may want to take a tablespoon or two of lecithin daily as well, it contains more bioavailable and longer-lasting choline as well as inositol.

Good information!

[Atomini]

LOG UPDATE:

Okay, so i've been doing some in-depth researching, reading, and shopping around for Choline. I've discovered 3 of the following types of Choline I can get:

Choline Bitartrate
CDP Choline (cytidine diphosphate-choline)
Alpha GPC (Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline)

Here is the low-down on them according to a post someone made on another forum (saves me from explaining it all myself):

First of all, not all choline sources are created equal, and they have different mechanisms of action and different processes of metabolism.

So the mood/brain-fog effects of choline really depend on what kind of choline you're taking. If you're taking choline bitartrate/citrate or lecithin then don't worry about it. Those forms must be metabolized first before crossing the blood brain barrier (not actually certain about lecithin, but that's likely the case) which means that your body regulates the amount of acetylcholine increase you'll get in the brain from them.

Alpha-GPC, CDP Choline and DMAE cross the blood brain barrier directly so they require dramatically reduced dosages in comparison. For example you could safely take 6-8grams of lecithin but you'd definitely want to avoid ever taking 6-8 grams of Alpha-GPC. DMAE has a different mechanism of action and there are some great posts by devinthayer on this forum about it (try out that search function).

There are plenty of people taking piracetam without a choline source outside of their normal dietary intake. Personally I found that BBB (blood brain barrier) crossing forms of choline are the number one source for unwanted emotional effects or brain fog. I tried DMAE and it made me dulled out, depressed and spacey.

When I finally run out of choline bitartrate (500g's lasts forever) I'm going to switch to choline citrate, and that's what I'd recommend. Choline is good for a lot of different things in the body. For a lot more info check this link. You can take up to 3.5grams per day safely and side effect free and there isn't much reason to go over that amount.

Since your body regulates it's distribution through metabolism you're unlikely to experience any brain fog or mental-cholinergic side effects. I was taking around 3 grams a day for the first 8 months of the year in three divided doses. Never got any headaches except from nefiracetam but that's a whole-nother thread.

So, basically, Choline Bitartrate is considered one of the lowest grades, but this doesn't mean it isn't effective. As the explanation above states, Choline Bitartrate is still utilized by the body but it just isn't capable of benetrating the blood-brain barrier. It must undergo metabolism in order to do so, where it is then used by the body according to how it sees fit. CDP Choline is small and efficient enough to cross the blood-brain barrier instantly, making it more effective, but also causing the margin for error and unwanted side effects to increase (like brain fog from taking too much or headaches from too little). Same thing with Alpha GPC Choline. Problem with CDP Choline is that it's VERY VERY VERY expensive, and so is Alpha GPC. Choline Bitartrate, on the other hand, is very cheap and in massive quantities.

SO guess what? I'm buying a giant supply of Choline Bitartrate.

I figure the Bitartrate variant, although it is less potent, seems to still provide the brain with the Choline it requires to synthesize sufficient levels of Acetylcholine neurotransmitters. CDP Choline and Alpha GPC Choline seem to basically do this more efficiently and they require a smaller dose than Choline Bitartrate, but because of that, negative sides due to a small margin of error in terms of dosing is present.

Choline Bitartrate it is! Will update once I receive it in the mail and begin use. I just bought 1kg (1,000grams) for 13 dollars... lol. At a dose of 2 grams per day, that's a 500 day supply.... more than a year's worth... WOW....

[Atomini]

Oh, and, I just received a reply from AR-R. He/they are looking into possibly carrying Noopept.

[wh1spa]

Cant wait!

[RaginCajun]

Could you use Tyrosine instead of Choline?

[Atomini]

Could you use Tyrosine instead of Choline?

I haven't looked into that. Have you found anything on it?

I've already ordered the Choline Bitartrate anyhow, so i'm stuck with it. It was dirt cheap too, and I doubt Tyrosine would be anywhere near as cheap as this stuff. Choline Bitartrate is also a closer precursor to Acetylcholine than Tyrosine is, and that's what I want.

[wh1spa]

Notes from Wikipedia on Choline

Wikipedia - Choline

Necessary choline for humans
Here are the daily Adequate Intake Levels and Upper Limits for choline in milligrams, taken from a report published in 2000 by the American Institute of Medicine


Life Stage Group AI(mg/day) UL(mg/day)
Infants
0–6 months / 125 / ND
7–12 months / 150 / ND
Children
1–3 yrs / 200 / 1000
4–8 yrs / 250 / 1000
Males
9–13 yrs / 375 / 2000
14–18 yrs / 550 / 3000
19–30 yrs / 550 / 3500
31–50 yrs / 550 / 3500
50–70 yrs / 550 / 3500
70 yrs / 550 / 3500
Females
9–13 yrs / 375 / 2000
14–18 yrs / 400 / 3000
19–30 yrs / 425 / 3500
31–50 yrs / 425 / 3500
50–70 yrs / 425 / 3500
70 yrs / 425 / 3500
Pregnancy
≤ 18 yrs / 450 / 3000
19–30 yrs / 450 / 3500
31–50 yrs / 450 / 3500
Lactation
≤ 18 yrs / 550 / 3000
19–30 yrs / 550 / 3500
31–50 yrs / 550 / 3500


and another resource for answers on questions.

Choline Info.ORG

[RaginCajun]

I haven't looked into that. Have you found anything on it?

I've already ordered the Choline Bitartrate anyhow, so i'm stuck with it. It was dirt cheap too, and I doubt Tyrosine would be anywhere near as cheap as this stuff. Choline Bitartrate is also a closer precursor to Acetylcholine than Tyrosine is, and that's what I want.

Nope, have not done any research on it.

Just was shooting from the hip

[Zodiac82]

brought some last nigh....hope its not bunk

[Zodiac82]

I haven't looked into that. Have you found anything on it?

I've already ordered the Choline Bitartrate anyhow, so i'm stuck with it. It was dirt cheap too, and I doubt Tyrosine would be anywhere near as cheap as this stuff. Choline Bitartrate is also a closer precursor to Acetylcholine than Tyrosine is, and that's what I want.

Atomini is the choline bitartrate the same choline thats sold in suppliment stores

[Tron3219]

I don't see anything wrong with this, but do you see an issue with mixing the noopept and choline in a capsule and possibly with other racetrams, creating some what of a "supertram" lol

[wh1spa]

I don't see anything wrong with this, but do you see an issue with mixing the noopept and choline in a capsule and possibly with other racetrams, creating some what of a "supertram" lol

Ive read of people stacking upto 10-15 different racetams daily. There is alot we dont know about them(Nootropics) that we wont be able to find on this forum.

[lovbyts]

Ive read of people stacking upto 10-15 different racetams daily. There is alot we dont know about them(Nootropics) that we wont be able to find on this forum.

I have been reading about nootropics off and on for a few years and that is the same I found, everyone stacked them to get the desired results.

That is where noopept seems to be different where it's very effective alone and does not need to be stacked to get desirable results. The main reason I have held off in the past is due to the confusion about stacking but I'm jumping on the ship soon to give this a try especially since it's fairly cheap and you will know in a couple of days at worst if it works or not.

[Ajc330]

how long has this stuff been on the market, and why has it not been exposed on the news to the general public?

[ElDude]

how long has this stuff been on the market, and why has it not been exposed on the news to the general public?

It has not been in the mainstream because it has not been a thoroughly researched chemical, and by thoroughly researched I mean there have not been LONG term studies done on humans with this chemical... And the fact that mainstream media is a fvcking joke. I know they have done some testing... but not 30-50 years to see what long term effects this may have on someones brain... You can read on Erowid a TON of peoples experiences with this and a lot of other racetrams. I ordered some myself, but am always just a bit hesitant to take RC's just do to the fact that a lot is really not known about them. I have been reading nothing but good things about this RC and can't wait to try it out.. but there is tht little piece of me that knows I am taking a risk doing this.

[lovbyts]

how long has this stuff been on the market, and why has it not been exposed on the news to the general public?

Look at it logically. How long have they been advertising TRT? Have you ever seen an add for HGH? I mean real HGH, not some pill or spray in the back of a magazine. How about vitamins that really work/help such as Micronized DHEA, Vit D, B12 and some of the others.

The only thing you will see widely talked about and advertised are prescription meds for Cholesterol, depression, acid reflux and things like that wich are a multi billion dollar industry for pharmaceuticals.

[Atomini]

Atomini is the choline bitartrate the same choline thats sold in suppliment stores

Yes, it absolutely should be! Just check to see which variant of Choline it is to be sure of what you're getting.

I don't see anything wrong with this, but do you see an issue with mixing the noopept and choline in a capsule and possibly with other racetrams, creating some what of a "supertram" lol

There's no problems with that! I'll be taking mine all at once once I get my Choline Bitartrate anyways.

I'm not sure if anyone has acknowledged this post or not, I didn't see any. From the research I've done I've found that you will NOT find a Canadian source. This product is illegal to manufacture and sell in Canada, but legal to import into Canada up to a 3 month supply, with no definition of what constitutes a 3 month supply available. It took me all of 2 seconds to find a hundred suppliers from the US that mail to Canada. From what I've been reading you will have no problems getting it, as it is legal. The only shipments being seized are ones that falsify their labelling, as this is Illegal. So order it from the states, only order 3 months, and have them be honest with what it is on the labelling (unless you're ordering a boat load.

There are Canadian sources, and one of them is a research chem company that sells it as a liquid. I can't even post the link here because they are a legitemate research chem company that also carries SERMs, AIs, etc.

But Canadian sources they do exist.