Coming off TRT to get pregnant.

[PistolPete33]

Wow, your levels are def high. How much are you taking. Could be that spike you mentioned. I’m not sure who I’m going to go with when I jump back on. I found a clinic that has reasonable pricing. I like the idea of getting it prescribed for when I travel etc. thought about getting that once and then just not using it except for when I travel. I’m going to meet with an endo once I’m able to Post Op. I will see if he will prescribe what I need.

When do they do your implant to get pregnant?

I just got back on the juice last week and my GP ran it as part of my yearly physical. No free testosterone done though.
Im not sure if mine was high due to just getting back on and doing the shot 2 days before or?? Im starting to feel normal again and even have a bit more energy. I did about 5x as much shoveling dirt yesterday than I had planned or thought I could do especially with the almost no functioning left shoulder.

Testosterone Total

1,199 ng/dL

264 - 916 ng/dL

[lovbyts]

Wow, your levels are def high. How much are you taking. Could be that spike you mentioned. I’m not sure who I’m going to go with when I jump back on. I found a clinic that has reasonable pricing. I like the idea of getting it prescribed for when I travel etc. thought about getting that once and then just not using it except for when I travel. I’m going to meet with an endo once I’m able to Post Op. I will see if he will prescribe what I need.

When do they do your implant to get pregnant?

Im only doing about .3cc 2x a week with 100mg/ml.
Yeah Im thinking it's just a spike from just starting up again and the

We may have ran into a drawback. We started out planning to do IVF until we saw the price sheet, $$$$$ We decided to do IUI but for some reason the fertility place didnt tell us that you cant do the manual sperm extraction and IUI, it has to be ejaculated for some reason or at least that is what the Urologist told me a couple of days ago via email.

We will talk to the fertility place this week to figure out what is going to happen.

[PistolPete33]

Nothing has really changed. Still feel the same. Libido has been ok the past two days. The gym is the same. Strength is still down as expected but not terrible. I’m a week and a half out from my surgery so I’m super anxious. Next month will be the 3 month mark from coming off so if I’m getting any swimmers it should be next month or the following. Sucks we will likely miss the window next month because of my surgery. Guess it gives me something to look forward to post op.

[PistolPete33]

Damn that sucks. Hopefully it all works out. We looked into the process and it's like $25,000. I don't think either of our insurances cover that either. Hoping we get pregnant in the next 2 months but who the hell knows. Next month will be a wash as I will be recovering and we will miss the window of her cycle. March will have to be do or die. haha

[lovbyts]

Damn that sucks. Hopefully it all works out. We looked into the process and it's like $25,000. I don't think either of our insurances cover that either. Hoping we get pregnant in the next 2 months but who the hell knows. Next month will be a wash as I will be recovering and we will miss the window of her cycle. March will have to be do or die. haha

Still no hard answers back. I have emails into the clinic we were going through and a zoom appointment in a couple weeks. I told them we are not moving forward until I have some answers. They want me to pay for shipping of the sperm frozen from the place I had the extraction to their clinic and charge to keep it frozen until we use it. Why bother if it's not something we can use?

I have a zoom appointment with the urologist pretty soon also to discuss what we should do. Possibly a reversal???

[< <Samson> >]

Possibly a reversal???

Oh no,

I seen the outcomes of this first hand - my best friend had a vasectomy done when previously married. Got married again - she wanted kids(the usual) - he went through two procedures with a total cost of about 40k. I was with him for quite a while when he was recovering with a ice bag on his nuts. . . Still didn’t work - they had to go artificial with an extraction - that cost, I believe another 20 or 30k

But, I get it


Doesn’t it always workout to where we want something we can’t have

[lovbyts]

Oh no,

I seen the outcomes of this first hand - my best friend had a vasectomy done when previously married. Got married again - she wanted kids(the usual) - he went through two procedures with a total cost of about 40k. I was with him for quite a while when he was recovering with a ice bag on his nuts. . . Still didn’t work - they had to go artificial with an extraction - that cost, I believe another 20 or 30k

But, I get it


Doesn’t it always workout to where we want something we can’t have

Well Damn. Yeah I just started looking into the cost. $$$$ Maybe I can talk her into adopting 16 year old twin sister?

[< <Samson> >]

Well Damn. Yeah I just started looking into the cost. $$$$ Maybe I can talk her into adopting 16 year old twin sister?

Yeah - it was somethin, he was my best friend - went through all of that, had a son - year later he killed him self

Sorry to thread jack a tad

But, I remember him going through the reversals - oh man, what a procedure - his recovery seemed worse than my brain surgery. Lol - sorta

[PistolPete33]

Still no hard answers back. I have emails into the clinic we were going through and a zoom appointment in a couple weeks. I told them we are not moving forward until I have some answers. They want me to pay for shipping of the sperm frozen from the place I had the extraction to their clinic and charge to keep it frozen until we use it. Why bother if it's not something we can use?

I have a zoom appointment with the urologist pretty soon also to discuss what we should do. Possibly a reversal???

Damn, hopefully you get some answers. I was super excited to hear your results. Fingers crossed you will make this happen.

[< <Samson> >]

Well, I’m def shooting straight blanks - anything is possible, buuuuuut

Ever since you put up the 1st post, me & the wife were like fuck it - let’s see if it can happen. . . Apparently almost 3 months later - nothing & we tried(I solid dozen loads deep a month trying) < I don’t do tmi

I never did the basic sperm count test at home - but, now the results speak for themselves

Straight blanks - oh well, for now


GL man, just keep yourself together. My old gym guru told me 3-6 months(actually up to a year) - it took him right about six months to knock up his new lady after coming off trt(I believe, I thought it was less - but 6 months is what I remember him saying now) - he was on for a decade, I believe. As soon as he did - he jumped right back on

[PistolPete33]

This is what I was planning. Everything says typically 4 months to a year. I started out in September or October taking 5000 IUS HCG and did that for 10 weeks. Hoping that "may" have kickstarted things. At the end of November I came off and 2 weeks later ran 100mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva for 6 weeks. I dropped the Nolva and have been running 50mg/Clomid ED. I'm hoping I can get her pregnant before the summer but who knows. Going thru surgery at the same time is certain to slow things down.

Well, I’m def shooting straight blanks - anything is possible, buuuuuut

Ever since you put up the 1st post, me & the wife were like fuck it - let’s see if it can happen. . . Apparently almost 3 months later - nothing & we tried(I solid dozen loads deep a month trying) < I don’t do tmi

I never did the basic sperm count test at home - but, now the results speak for themselves

Straight blanks - oh well, for now


GL man, just keep yourself together. My old gym guru told me 3-6 months(actually up to a year) - it took him right about six months to knock up his new lady after coming off trt(I believe, I thought it was less - but 6 months is what I remember him saying now) - he was on for a decade, I believe. As soon as he did - he jumped right back on

[PistolPete33]

I feel pretty good today. Strength was up a bit in the gym so that's encouraging. I feel like I have a lot of motivation today. I did not have that yesterday but I skipped the gym and it was a heavy snow day so I just was lazy overall... I'm exactly 1 week out from surgery and things are getting real. Super nervous about that and the recovery. I'm in pretty good shape as I've been working out (although not at the intensity I would want to) so I'm pretty certain the recovery will be better than most. Everyone that has recently gotten it done on another forum all said the first 2 weeks you will question why the hell you went thru with it but starting week 3 things start coming back together.

[< <Samson> >]

Good luck man - I’m so tired of hospitals & surgeries. . . I just hope my body keeps itself together for at least a while after all of this.

[PistolPete33]

I read some of your stories and that is fuxking super scary. Do they have everything under control? Have you been able to go to the gym at all?

Good luck man - I’m so tired of hospitals & surgeries. . . I just hope my body keeps itself together for at least a while after all of this.

[< <Samson> >]

I read some of your stories and that is fuxking super scary. Do they have everything under control? Have you been able to go to the gym at all?

Lol, it comes & goes

I’m back in the gym at about 85-90% rn

Super scary - shit, you got another fake hip coming - that scares me, I dunno about as bad as brain surgery - but

I been keeping my thread fairly updated in the off topic section - and, my current avi is from 2 days ago

I’m going till I can’t anymore - in every possible aspect

[PistolPete33]

My fiance and I were talking last night about surgery and both agreed it is prob. better to have surgery on your joints than on your organs. I think there is less risk. Glad you're still crushing it in the gym. Stay healthy.

Lol, it comes & goes

I’m back in the gym at about 85-90% rn

Super scary - shit, you got another fake hip coming - that scares me, I dunno about as bad as brain surgery - but

I been keeping my thread fairly updated in the off topic section - and, my current avi is from 2 days ago

I’m going till I can’t anymore - in every possible aspect

[< <Samson> >]

It all depends -


After all of this, I've seen it all & felt a lot -


Just met a guy with a failing liver - 50 years old, looks like he's 70 - Doesn't drink or smoke. . . . I asked what his opinion on why he thinks it happened, he said massive stress over time


Just talked to my neighbor, she had a full frontal left lobe craniotomy & resection at the age of 24 - 3 surgeries, the last one corrected the first 2. It was done by Barrow Neurological, same place that did mine - she said I got real lucky to have them do my embolization


I have met about a handful of guys who lost all their size due to back injuries




I'm just following you along bud, I have been trying to knock up the wife while still juiced for the last 2-3 months - nothing. . . So, I am really interested on how long the suffering will be when/if I make myself come off

[PistolPete33]

Wow, that's wild. My fiancé's aunt died in August at just 43. She got Stage 4 lung cancer and died within a few months. fucking sucks.

As for getting pregnant it totally sucks I'm having surgery. I won't get a true time frame for getting pregnant because the next month will be a wash. She starts her period next week so we shall see. Would be a great surprise if she is now but I won't hold my breath. We will likely miss the window for next month but who knows maybe we'll still be able to have sex. I tried not coming off for a few months and absolutely nothing which is why I came off. You could try the HMG route as I've heard a lot of guys have great success with that and you don't have to come off.

It all depends -


After all of this, I've seen it all & felt a lot -


Just met a guy with a failing liver - 50 years old, looks like he's 70 - Doesn't drink or smoke. . . . I asked what his opinion on why he thinks it happened, he said massive stress over time


Just talked to my neighbor, she had a full frontal left lobe craniotomy & resection at the age of 24 - 3 surgeries, the last one corrected the first 2. It was done by Barrow Neurological, same place that did mine - she said I got real lucky to have them do my embolization


I have met about a handful of guys who lost all their size due to back injuries




I'm just following you along bud, I have been trying to knock up the wife while still juiced for the last 2-3 months - nothing. . . So, I am really interested on how long the suffering will be when/if I make myself come off

[vanisle4x4]

Wow, that's wild. My fiancé's aunt died in August at just 43. She got Stage 4 lung cancer and died within a few months. fucking sucks.

As for getting pregnant it totally sucks I'm having surgery. I won't get a true time frame for getting pregnant because the next month will be a wash. She starts her period next week so we shall see. Would be a great surprise if she is now but I won't hold my breath. We will likely miss the window for next month but who knows maybe we'll still be able to have sex. I tried not coming off for a few months and absolutely nothing which is why I came off. You could try the HMG route as I've heard a lot of guys have great success with that and you don't have to come off.

What's HMG? Curious if you meant HCG, I run that currently and noticed a huge different in my sperm load size and colour.

I only started because I started dating a girl about 7 months ago and she's changed my interests in eventually having kids so I wasn't sure if it was possible and I gotta say I don't have labs to see if the count is up but visible much different.

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[PistolPete33]

No, HCG and HMG are different. Taking HCG during a cycle and or TRT is a very smart thing to do to keep your testes functioning. HMG is a different compound. One of my friends is a retired pro bodybuilder and he said this is what a lot of the pros take when they want a pregnancy without coming off. He wanted me to try it but I instead thought I would try coming off. I have no experience with it and research shows it works for some but not all. When doing my research the odds were def. greater with coming off and running 3000ius HCG/week and 50mg/Clomid ED. Sperm takes 3-4 months to mature so anything you do today won't impact anything for 3-4 months.

What's HMG? Curious if you meant HCG, I run that currently and noticed a huge different in my sperm load size and colour.

I only started because I started dating a girl about 7 months ago and she's changed my interests in eventually having kids so I wasn't sure if it was possible and I gotta say I don't have labs to see if the count is up but visible much different.

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[vanisle4x4]

No, HCG and HMG are different. Taking HCG during a cycle and or TRT is a very smart thing to do to keep your testes functioning. HMG is a different compound. One of my friends is a retired pro bodybuilder and he said this is what a lot of the pros take when they want a pregnancy without coming off. He wanted me to try it but I instead thought I would try coming off. I have no experience with it and research shows it works for some but not all. When doing my research the odds were def. greater with coming off and running 3000ius HCG/week and 50mg/Clomid ED. Sperm takes 3-4 months to mature so anything you do today won't impact anything for 3-4 months.

Well I hope it works brother, I can atest to hcg ove run it for about 4 months and what a difference. I actually think it's better for quality and size now than ever in my previous natural life honestly.

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[< <Samson> >]

Never heard of HMG

Just hold yourself together, 6 months to a year ain’t shit when you’re looking at the big picture(well, in most cases)

[PistolPete33]

Look into HMG as a lot of pros o guess use it to get pregnant.

So, my surgery is in 4 days and tomorrow I have to start taking my pre-op meds. I will take my HCG and Clomid tonight and then stop taking both until after my surgery. I prob won’t take either while I’m on any pain meds. No idea if they have any interactions but I obviously don’t want to find out. I’m thinking I will start back on both next Saturday.

Never heard of HMG

Just hold yourself together, 6 months to a year ain’t shit when you’re looking at the big picture(well, in most cases)

[< <Samson> >]

Since I'm running Provirion now constantly, I looked into it. It supposedly is prescribed to help fertility.


I'll look into HMG - y not


Do you use tribulus? I would add into my insane PCT if I actually made the leap to come off

[PistolPete33]

I’ve never taken that but might be worth a shot. I was taking Longjack up until today. Not sure I noticed anything from it. I was hoping to get my libido back but no such luck. Maybe I will try that when I start recovering. I’m afraid to take anything for the next week as I don’t want any complications with surgery and recovery

Since I'm running Provirion now constantly, I looked into it. It supposedly is prescribed to help fertility.


I'll look into HMG - y not


Do you use tribulus? I would add into my insane PCT if I actually made the leap to come off

[< <Samson> >]

I don’t know if I’ll b lucky enough for this to work for me

But, I’m so undeceive & my health is all over the place. But, me & the wife are still good - she said she’d love to have another kid by me < that meant something, to me at least - but, a part of me doesn’t wanna come off at all & just bull shit while I still can - if it worked without me coming off it’d b such a win. . . Coming off for me now would fuck me up


I looked up the HMG - where would I get it? And, it’s for female fertility - but, I guess it works on either

[PistolPete33]

I don't feel horrible right now at about 10 weeks off. Strength is def. down but it's not terrible. The worst part is my libido is pretty shot which it is usually insanely high. We used to have sex 7 days a week and now it's once or twice and I'm actually fine with that. Before I would be out of control. haha. There was one week that was REALLY tough which was the week of Christmas. That was my low point but it's gradually gotten a little better each week.

As for HMG it seems somewhat promising. I believe it would be like anything else though and you would have to run it for at least 4 months and I think you need high doses of it also. It can get pricey esp. if it doesn't work. I'm hoping once recovered I will meet with an Endo and have a spermanalsys done.

I will send you a PM regarding HMG

I don’t know if I’ll b lucky enough for this to work for me

But, I’m so undeceive & my health is all over the place. But, me & the wife are still good - she said she’d love to have another kid by me < that meant something, to me at least - but, a part of me doesn’t wanna come off at all & just bull shit while I still can - if it worked without me coming off it’d b such a win. . . Coming off for me now would fuck me up


I looked up the HMG - where would I get it? And, it’s for female fertility - but, I guess it works on either

[PistolPete33]

Tomorrow is my big day for surgery. I’m so nervous and anxious. This sucks beyond words can describe but hoping all goes well. I will be in good hands so that helps

[< <Samson> >]

Tomorrow is my big day for surgery. I’m so nervous and anxious. This sucks beyond words can describe but hoping all goes well. I will be in good hands so that helps

Relax, it ain’t brain surgery < I love using that one

GL brother, post back whenever you feel better

[PistolPete33]

Thank you I appreciate it. Surgery went well no issues. In my hospital room now. I’ve already been up walking (with a walker) which seems insane to me. I feel ok. Not on any serious pain meds and pain levels are manageable right now

Relax, it ain’t brain surgery < I love using that one

GL brother, post back whenever you feel better

[PistolPete33]

That’s crazy having to relearn how to walk. Must have been so scary. Def keep me posted with your recovery. I had PT again this morning and they had me doing a bunch of strengthening exercises and more walking. I’m already able to walk foot over foot on the walker so she was surprised with that. I have one more session before I leave where I have to do the stairs. Ugh.

[< <Samson> >]

That’s crazy having to relearn how to walk. Must have been so scary. Def keep me posted with your recovery. I had PT again this morning and they had me doing a bunch of strengthening exercises and more walking. I’m already able to walk foot over foot on the walker so she was surprised with that. I have one more session before I leave where I have to do the stairs. Ugh.

Just amazing bro!


Well, I was at some serious peace before I had to even think about walking again - I lost most mobility for two days prior to the surgery, so - just regaining feeling in my limbs was a win as soon as I came out

[PistolPete33]

I can only imagine. I had spinal anesthesia so when I woke up from surgery I couldn’t move my legs or toes at all for 2.5 hours. It was such a scary feeling. I can only imagine what you went thru and how happy you were to get even any feeling back

Just amazing bro!


Well, I was at some serious peace before I had to even think about walking again - I lost most mobility for two days prior to the surgery, so - just regaining feeling in my limbs was a win as soon as I came out

[< <Samson> >]

I can only imagine. I had spinal anesthesia so when I woke up from surgery I couldn’t move my legs or toes at all for 2.5 hours. It was such a scary feeling. I can only imagine what you went thru and how happy you were to get even any feeling back

When everything started functioning, it felt like I was in someone else’s body - I swolled up from water retention & the stuff that was shot into my brain changed nearly all of my skin pigmentation + I had this awful stank of the embalming agent excreting from my body

Sure makes a hip replacement sound like lite work - that’s good tho man, all the luck to you!


I wouldn’t wish what I went through upon anyone(that I can currently think of, at least)

[PistolPete33]

That is absolutely insane. I can't even begin to imagine. When we are going thru difficult times we always think we have it worse than anyone else when in reality people are struggling way worse.

[PistolPete33]

When someone that does that for a living makes a comment like that you can only be thankful to be alive. Thank god for amazing doctors.

[< <Samson> >]

Shit, darn human form. Lol

Sounds like you’re recovering alright from the surgery - considering

Same here - as soon as I could lift I did - what I was allowed, at least - being able to bounce back as soon as possible while being safe is so important


As far as getting er’ knocked up - I’d stay off everything & get a sperm count(either the home generic one, or if u can get a specimen analysis)

I’d love to see your total test numbers. Do you know what they were before you got on juice?

[PistolPete33]

When I had my Test levels checked a few weeks ago it was around 425. I believe I was 390 before I went on. While on I was typically around 1000 but I usually made sure I never injected too close to being tested. If I was scheduled to test on a Wed. then I my last injection was typically the Thursday before. I would skip the Sunday injection. I think I'm going to order another home test kit and see what happens. If it's still not showing it's enough I will call the endo I have a referral to and get a test done. My boys have completely bounced back and are bigger than they've been in YEARS. Hoping this is a good sign esp. since I'm not taking HCG or Clomid. My fiance thinks we should just start trying once I'm able to have sex again and see what happens without taking anything for 2 months. Not sure I want to do that though. haha. I want to jump back on ASAP.

Shit, darn human form. Lol

Sounds like you’re recovering alright from the surgery - considering

Same here - as soon as I could lift I did - what I was allowed, at least - being able to bounce back as soon as possible while being safe is so important


As far as getting er’ knocked up - I’d stay off everything & get a sperm count(either the home generic one, or if u can get a specimen analysis)

I’d love to see your total test numbers. Do you know what they were before you got on juice?

[< <Samson> >]

One step at a time

Get er knocked up, make sure all is well - then jump back on

Def doesn’t sound like fun to me tho

[PistolPete33]

I'm at 13 weeks since I've been off and I actually feel pretty good. Obviously I'm recovering from pretty major surgery but overall I feel pretty good. My libido is decent but much better than it has been. Sex is obviously challenging because I had my hip replaced. haha. I'm back in the gym and everything seems to be coming together. Almost makes me think if I just run 1 or 2 cycles per year and then run PCT and come off. I say that now but when I jump back on I will prob. feel like a god and not want to come off again. I have blood work being pulled again in a few weeks to check my thyroid levels again. I'm also going to have my T levels pulled again to see where they are at.