wait a minute USFIGHTER....maybe all of this is Clinton's fault!!???? hmmmmmmm
you might be on to something there......
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wait a minute USFIGHTER....maybe all of this is Clinton's fault!!???? hmmmmmmm
you might be on to something there......
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Why couldn't he get away with it. Presidents get away with lots of stuff that ordinary guys wouldn't. With the way that some (not all) of the media and citizens here allow themselves to be spoonfed government filtered info why not? I'm not saying I have a single shred of evidence. It was just a thought. Wouldn't put it past him. I sincerely hope I'm not the only one who ever thought that. Based on what I have seen politicians will do whatever is necessary to get what they want, irregardless of cost or consequence. Mark
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See fighter YOUR IN!
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Originally Posted by Bouncer AKA bouncer
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Stop laughing your infidel American ass off.
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Yeah to bad we dont torture them bouncer. They sit in prison for their crimes and will eventually get their trial so let them wait. They want to kill Americans any chance they get so why should we respect their rights? They are medically looked after and treated, allowed to worship and allowed spiritual guidance as well as food that suits their religious purposes as well as the Quran as well as their skull caps or whatever they're called as well as preferential treatment with not having to fear brutality from the guards as well as sanitary conditions for living in (i.e indoor plumbing, beds, desks) So bouncer what kinda preferential treatment did our hostages recieve from the Iranians besides systematic beatings and torture as well as starvation?
"Everyday a young radical would come in to the room and face us against the wall and put his rifle against the back of my head and tell me that today I'm going to die. He would count down from 10 to 1 and pull the trigger only to hear the click of an empty gun. Everyday he would do this and I was waiting for the day the chamber would have one bullet in it."
So who do you think said this Bouncer?
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And who's word do you have on all that Fighter?. From photos leaked from there there's certainly evidence of sensory deprivation, a horrible torture. But then I can't qoute anyone either since the international red cross aren't allowed access, and their being held captive without trail. Including minors, what happened to 'innocent untill proven guilty' ? Then when, or if they go to trail it'll be a military one where they won't have independant representation. Again, all this was tried by the British on us in Northern Ireland, doesn't work.
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The British did it for occupational purposes so I can see why the bad blood on the military trials. We're doing it to be as harsh as we possibly can to these pieces of trash. When you say "sensory deprivation" are you reffering to us putting hoods over their heads and muffs over their hands to prevent them from spitting Tuberculosis and other contagious diseases onto our guys and trying to gouge out the eyes of our soldiers feeding them? They become less dangerous when you deprive them of those senses. Also has the Red Cross become some international authority? They seem to pick and choose their battles. I guess they lost credibility with me after 1 billion dollars was sent to them from the American people for the 9/11 charity to help the families and they decided to keep well over 500 million for "future disasters" which could quite possibly be in other countries so it's good to know that many good donors charity didnt even make it to its intended destination. After 9/11 it came time to deal a heavy hand instead of being so polite to prisoners of war......this is a pretty harsh message to send and from the looks of many responses I'd say it worked very well.
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Justa question....Am I in??????????
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You're in Hoss you posted on it. Join the battle!! Look it's a civil debate so I have no ill feelings towards anyone it's pretty interesting to see what everyone thinks.
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Clinton screwed himself with that answer "I did not have sexual relations" true i dont believe a BJ is sex but it does qualify as "sexual relations." Oh and I love the answer he says "well it depends on what the definition of is, is" that was hilarious.
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well i do agree with ya that clinton screwed himself with that comment, but to be honest with ya, im happy we had a president that was smart enough to even think that defense up. i know bush wouldnt be able to. i honestly think some times he's a puppet.
oh yeah. im just gonna say i pretty much agree with everything bouncer has said so far. i definatly think iraq is going to turn into another vietnam. maybe not as many people dying. but i think it will be looked back as a mini vietnam. and im also gonna say that 1 or 2 people on here just make me think they're stupider and stupider every time they post, but im not gonna name names.im sure many others are thinking it also. so much so that im gonna go with they make themselves seem like the stereotypical redneck bush is.
lets kill them all, and take the oil, or now we own them countries? !!!
come one dude, do you really think that **** is gonna fly forever? do you even think before you post? igonorance spewwing right from your hick ass mouth
Last edited by jcstomper; 01-28-2004 at 09:27 PM.
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Go listen to your college professors some more, call mommie and daddy for some money to go out on this weekend, find a good tree to hug on, find the biggest limb you can...and shove it up your young ignorant liberal as$!!!
Funny that for Bush to be so "ignorant", that he made it through an Ivy league school, made governor of Texas, and now is the President of the USA. And yet your smart as$ is sitting here on AR claiming all sorts of babble about how stupid he is. Ya, you sure are a smart fuker!!
I'm not sure who you are referring to, but you might notice that no one, until you, was making any personal attacks on anyone else fukhead.
And as far as taxes go, explain to me why the richest 20% pay 80% of all taxes? Yeah, they have it made don't they. How can any politician say they are for the middle class...everyone of them is worth well over 250mm dollars. BTW, mm means million. You'll learn that your junior year of college if you make it that far.
Peace,
ttgb
Last edited by tryingtogetbig; 01-28-2004 at 09:37 PM.
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the richest 20% pay 80% of the taxes, but they own 81.5% of the wealth.. doesn't look so topheavy anymore does it? Not to mention that the richest 1% own 34% of the wealth. Imho they should be paying a lot more than they do.
Last edited by chrisAdams; 01-28-2004 at 09:53 PM.
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sorry lets see i dont go to college, i own a business, how about you? mommy and daddy never did **** for me. hug trees? na why would i want to do that when i can just talk sh-t about people saying everyone that isnt dumb and brainwashed into beliving bush is great should go hug trees. do you really think that iraq isnt turning into a small vietnam already? do you really think that say 15 years from now, kids in social studies class rooms will not be taught how the US screwed up here?
youd be very very suprised at what money will get you in america i guess i am smarter then you to realize thatFunny that for Bush to be so "ignorant", that he made it through an Ivy league school, made governor of Texas, and now is the President of the USA. And yet your smart as$ is sitting here on AR claiming all sorts of babble about how stupid he is. Ya, you sure are a smart fuker!!
its ok i wasnt referring to you, but why do you feel so guilty to think that i was?
i never said anything about taxes? but ok ill bite, go read tax loopholes for the rich. its part of the rich dad poor dad series. and all your tax wooes will be taken away. im not gonna get into a tax debate with ya. smart people find ways to keep there money, not to have the government take it. rich people have been doing it for ever, and thats why the stay rich. go get a good PTA and they should be able to help you out with keeping your money, cause my LLC is doing fine with the flow threw clause
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Bro you are entitled to think the way you want to. No debate over that. In your previous post you were personally isulting someone for not thinking the way you do....that's where I was coming from. We have these fun debates on here every week it seems...BUT it usually never turns into personal attacks. Plus, if you're gonna be man enough to through out personal insults, be man enough to name who you are aiming them at.sorry lets see i dont go to college, i own a business, how about you? mommy and daddy never did **** for me. hug trees? na why would i want to do that when i can just talk sh-t about people saying everyone that isnt dumb and brainwashed into beliving bush is great should go hug trees. do you really think that iraq isnt turning into a small vietnam already? do you really think that say 15 years from now, kids in social studies class rooms will not be taught how the US screwed up here?
youd be very very suprised at what money will get you in america i guess i am smarter then you to realize that
its ok i wasnt referring to you, but why do you feel so guilty to think that i was?
i never said anything about taxes? but ok ill bite, go read tax loopholes for the rich. its part of the rich dad poor dad series. and all your tax wooes will be taken away. im not gonna get into a tax debate with ya. smart people find ways to keep there money, not to have the government take it. rich people have been doing it for ever, and thats why the stay rich. go get a good PTA and they should be able to help you out with keeping your money, cause my LLC is doing fine with the flow threw clause
Even in this post, "...I guess I am smarter than you to realize that..." Pretty shietty.
And NO, I do not believe this is turning into another Vietnam. To begin with, Vietnam was never declared a war, whereas Iraq was. Also, more than half of the general popluation is still in support of occupation of Iraq. There are just way too many differences for me to think it will be like Vietnam.
The tax debate wasn't with you...I was combining that reply into the same thread. And don't worry, I have a good CPA already. Regarding taxes, the richer you become, the higher percentage of your earnings have to paid towards taxes. I don't see how the rich are getting all of the tax breaks with this format of taxation.
Oh yeah, you asked what I do for a living. Pharmaceutical Sales.
peace,
ttgb
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Go listen to your college professors some more, call mommie and daddy for some money to go out on this weekend, find a good tree to hug on, find the biggest limb you can...and shove it up your young ignorant liberal as$!!!
Funny that for Bush to be so "ignorant", that he made it through an Ivy league school, made governor of Texas, and now is the President of the USA. And yet your smart as$ is sitting here on AR claiming all sorts of babble about how stupid he is. Ya, you sure are a smart fuker!!
I'm not sure who you are referring to, but you might notice that no one, until you, was making any personal attacks on anyone else fukhead.
And as far as taxes go, explain to me why the richest 20% pay 80% of all taxes? Yeah, they have it made don't they. How can any politician say they are for the middle class...everyone of them is worth well over 250mm dollars. BTW, mm means million. You'll learn that your junior year of college if you make it that far.
Peace,
ttgb
Bush made it into an Ivy League school because he was a son of an alumni. He graduated with a C average and was barely an average student. He is where he is today because of who his father is. He was put into his position by the Republican political powers. He could not have accomplished anything he has done in his life had he not been the son of George I. If he was named George Smith he'd probably be a manager at Walmart.
"and shove it up your young ignorant liberal as$!!!" the greatest sign of ignorance is name calling. It shows the person to be of limited intelligence. The Republicans are notorious for name calling. Not that all Republicans are fools. The rich and powerful know how to manipulate the ignorant.
Finally, the richest 10% pay 80% of the taxes because they control 95% of the nations wealth. That is the explaination. Do you understand or are you so blinded by Republican Propaganda as to not be able to see the truth?
Last edited by markas214; 01-29-2004 at 01:50 PM.
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Clinton...speaking of idiots!!
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Crusades........ wha???? As I see it the problem has always been the Islamic Faith. Its one thing to practice a relgion its another to be an exremist. For some reason...perhaps its all the camel f...ing, or the heat cooking their turbin covered brains, Islam produces a multitude of extremists, whose only goal is to drag the world back into the stone age. (For those who want to know I have read the Koran, and I felt like I was going to be sick) Does any one know what happens when you drop a nuclear bomb in the desert????? The sand turns into glass.... now what I propose is that we keep dropping bombs until we see the oil in the bottom...... then we take the oil and use it to drive around in our big SUV's....... God Bless America
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why penalize someone more than others because they are more successful? I have never understood why the tax bracket percent increases as the pay increases. Fking bullshiit to me.
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Lets all go buy assault weapons
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haha, thats classic, honestly id love to, my boy just bought a new walk-in safe for all of his. freaking real estate nut, and he puts all his money back into H&K weapons. right now he's at about 20 or so. i love guns but me as well as most of my friends agree, if i owned one, id be in jail in less then about 6 months. even little things like road rage, i wouldnt want to shoot the person but id definatly wanna shoot at there car to get my point acrossed at how mad they made me
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hoss do you ever go to school?
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Im still laughing at how the idea that everyone is supposed to be given health care without paying for it. Jobs dont offer it because they arent gonna go broke paying expenses they dont need to. Thats why all the grocery store unions are on strike cause somehow they got used to FREE health insurance and somehow believe they are supposed to be entitled to FREE health insurance.
Well they are still on strike and new employees took their place. New employees who will work and pay for health care. Sure they still get a good rate but they have to out of pocket some expense cause their employer cant pay the entire thing for EVERY employee.
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Berm I think that's where a lot of people get confused. There is a BIG difference between a "privilege" and a "right."
For example..."You have the right to bear arms"
You DO NOT have the right to board airplanes without being fingerprinted and screened to an extensive degree.
I do think it sucks with all of the new restrictions going on...but...at least the government is doing something to try and prevent acts of terrorism. 9/11 changed the way we will live our lives from now on.
peace,
ttgb
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We have free health care...but we also have the highest taxes in the world and our health care really sucks too lol. But i think its a good thing.
Is it true americans without health care dont get threatment if coming in to the hospital with a life threatening injury? Sometimes in movies they dont help people thats gotten shoot cause they dont have insurance. Thats pretty cold.
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Depends on what type of hospital. We have hospitals that HAVE to treat people regardless.
If you had a business and got called to a house to do work on and KNEW you would not get paid, would you still go do the job??? The job you trained 10 years for and spent 100,000 of grants and loans to pay back. Would you just start treating anyone and everyone? If that happened, NO ONE would pay their bill.
Some doctors like working for free. They go to hospitals payed by the state.
Dont start slamming doctors for not treating people. People dont NEED to work for free and shouldnt.
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If every country knows we have trouble with guerilla warfare and we fight a war then it's simple to say every country will eventually resort to that tactic. It's better to learn now how to fight that kind of war instead of running whenever the going gets tough. Iraq won't turn itno another vietnam simply because vietnam had the material and logistical support as well as financial support of the soviet union and china. These guerillas have none of that they rely on discarded weapons and munitions to use in their attacks. It takes time to secure all of these leftover weapons and of course we're going to lose people in the process. Remember this is war so people do die in it. Nobody seems to see that. They expect a perfect blitz and for us to lose a minimal amount of soldiers. 500 killed taking over a country of 22 million with an army over half a million? Sounds pretty **** good to me. Oh and speaking of blitz....the german blitzkrieg of Poland was considered a masterpiece in the art of strategic warfare. They had over 30,000 casualties in this offensive and took twice the amount of time to cover the same distance we had covered in Iraq.
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Well this is simple. Canada has a very different form of gov't from the United States it's incomparible. They're entire system is completely different and def is not as complex as our is. To simply put it..if you picked up their health care system and put it in place of ours......the whole health care system would be completely messed up because the minute changes in our system from the canadians would adversly affect another portion of our system. It's a very difficult situation and belive me chris I would more than love to get free health care but it's just an impossibility. Plus there would be a massive loss of jobs as well since there is no need for insurance companies anymore causing more losses of jobs outside of insurance comanies and inside the health care industry.
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I never said it would be free. It would obviously be tax funded. I also never said that the change should occur instantaneously. No change can. However the republican mentality is "if it works, don't change it, regardless if it doesn't work as well as it could" which is the wrong way to go about things. Ever hear of the concept of flux? The world around us is constantly changing, and unless we have a government that is willing to change along with it we were going to be left behind.
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I don't understand you people. How many of you are in the richest 2%? Unless you are, you don't benefit from bush's tax cuts. Wouldn't you rather pay fewer taxes?
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on health care, i wish i would move to canada or europe. socialist healthcare is what we should have here, i dont mind paying the taxes for it. if it works almost everywhere else in the world then why wouldnt it work here? i know its not gonna happen cause it would case alot of people to lose alot of money but i really wish it would
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Actually I got a hell of a lot of money back from those tax cuts and I'm sure as sh*t not in that 2% bracket. I'm probably more along 99.999999%th bracket. About that change stuff you were saying in your previous post......I just stated in the post before that how we need change but nobody is ever going to agree on anything. Apparently your reference to how republicans have that mentality of what isn't broke doesn't need fixing doesn't fit into my genre so that's just a false sterotype. Also to be honest I pay less taxes under a republican than a democrat so tax cuts can benefit the rich all they want just so long as I pay less taxes. Under Clinton I was being slammed by taxes every which way. Canadians live under a very socialist system where as we do not so its an utter impossibility to eventually switch over to almost free health care. I dont understand you want to pay fewer taxes but if there is universal health care you're gonna get taxed out the ass.
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ill pay higher taxes, just give me free healthcare
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People in europe pay upwards of 75% of their paycheck to pay for the universal health care among other things. I'd rather have that money to spend on my own personal needs then to have a HUGE chunk of my check taken away. Everyone lives by a double standard so nobody can be pleased.....hell even i do it so i'm not innocent either. We love roids thats something we can all agree on.
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actually in England we pay between 20 to 40% tax and in most other euro countries the tax is almost the same i dont think anyone pays 75%.
in return for this tax we get
free health care,
free hospital care and operations.
social security (cash) for every single person who doesnt work especially for family's.
free education school and college and the poorer people get free university.
it also makes sure that no family can ever go homeless, if you lose your house the goverment will get you a new one or somewhere to stay.
it also gives you income support, so if you don't earn enough money the goverment or their authories will give you money to make up for your familes lack of money £££££££.
and the list goes on and on....
we get a lot for a measly 20% to 40% tax, if you calculate all these things seperatly it would cost even more for people. this is a bargain only 20 or 40% tax to make sure that you can never **** up and always have access to healthcare,education,££££'s and good life.
and we have a minimum wage system for people that work full time, which is excellent. so the tax is not really that much considering where guarenteed a certain amount of cash afterwards. so it doesnt matter what you do even if you clean dog **** of the floor you still get a decent min wage.
by the way there are a few tax groups for people that pay tax depending how much you earn and what your satus if (married, single, have children etc..) will depend on which tax group you fall in 20% to 40%. also you are entitled to tax cash back if you have children, im not exactly sure how this works, but seems good.
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thank god someone from a country that does this posted, cause i was getting tired of people ranting about how high the taxes were for all of that but in reality they arent that bad. now if i could only move my business to one of your countries ill be set, cause im sure that will never happen in the USA. to much money would be lost in private insurance companies and such.
i would definatly pay higher taxes if i was assured that everyone in the country got the above. no questions about it. it would help alot of people out
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LOL Stomper
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Not slamming bro just didnt know how things are in the states. I thought all hospitals were like that.
I understand why you dont want to help a gangbanger for nothing.
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