You'll want to read this!

[adlyn]

above

Thankss ron for sparing me your time to answer my question. Any way what do u suggest for my pct? Clomid with noveldex? Or any other pct? And how should I go about? Thanks once again.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thankss ron for sparing me your time to answer my question. Any way what do u suggest for my pct? Clomid with noveldex? Or any other pct? And how should I go about? Thanks once again.

HCG and NOLVADEX AND MAYBE CLOMID. Go back and read start of this thread and it's discussed in great detail.

[adlyn]

above

Thank you Ron for sparing me your time to answer my question. Any way what do u suggest for my pct? Clomid with nolvadex and hcg for my pct?.? Or any other pct? And how should I go about?. I was also wondering is there any alternative then dbol? I understand that dbol is also going to be hard on the liver. If dbol gonna be the only additional on the 2nd reload, what type of precaution should I take? Will only liver aid gonna be fine? And last is can I swop sus 250 to Tmix 325 or Test E 300?


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[Old_usmcgrunt]

Ronnie, I've been searching everywhere on this post and elsewhere, but can't seem to find a more specific answer to my PCT question on Clomid.

I’m about to start an 8 week cycle of Test-E (reload), 500mg/week, one pin/week, on Sunday’s. My PCT de-loading/prime period will be 2 weeks and will include 50mg/day of Clomid. I will then begin my next 8 week re-load AS cycle.

Questions: When exactly is the best time to start and end the Clomid? If my last test-e is on a Sunday do I start my Clomid exactly on the next Sunday or do I let that last Test-E life cycle run its course, which I understand to be about 2 weeks?!

Stats: 49 y/o male, 5’10” 240 lbs, good health, started lifting seriously while in the Marines 25+ yrs ago, recently completed a good D-bol cycle about 6 weeks ago (lost about 10 lbs. water and some size, but have kept all my strength gains).

Sorry if I'm using this thread incorrectly. I'm "forum challenged"!

Thanks Ronnie; I'm looking forward to following your 8 week reload/2 week deload and making some incredible gains!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, i've been searching everywhere on this post and elsewhere, but can't seem to find a more specific answer to my pct question on clomid.

I’m about to start an 8 week cycle of test-e (reload), 500mg/week, one pin/week, on sunday’s. My pct de-loading/prime period will be 2 weeks and will include 50mg/day of clomid. there is no need in using clomid alone during a 2 week deload. Use 200 mgs of test-e per week i will then begin my next 8 week re-load as cycle.

Questions: When exactly is the best time to start and end the clomid? If my last test-e is on a sunday do i start my clomid exactly on the next sunday or do i let that last test-e life cycle run its course, which i understand to be about 2 weeks?! you would begin clomid 1 week after last test shot, preferrably at week 21 after having been on aas for 20 weeks straight (2 -8 week reloads/2- 2 week deloads)

stats: 49 y/o male, 5’10” 240 lbs, good health, started lifting seriously while in the marines 25+ yrs ago, recently completed a good d-bol cycle about 6 weeks ago (lost about 10 lbs. Water and some size, but have kept all my strength gains).

Sorry if i'm using this thread incorrectly. I'm "forum challenged"!

Thanks ronnie; i'm looking forward to following your 8 week reload/2 week deload and making some incredible gains!

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[Maronn]

Hi Ronnie,

I got a question regarding my chest workout. You recommend chest press via smith maschine besides dumbbells (incline and decline). The problem I have is, that I do not feel the "tension" in my chest the next day (comparing to regular bench press). Is this a common thing?? Does it matter?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,

I got a question regarding my chest workout. You recommend chest press via smith maschine besides dumbbells (incline and decline). The problem I have is, that I do not feel the "tension" in my chest the next day (comparing to regular bench press). Is this a common thing?? Does it matter?If you feel more soreness in your overall chest the next day after bench presses, then you are a candidate for the flat bench press. I am not against the flat press or standard incline press given they make your chest sore and do not cause shoulder pain. It sounds like you are one of these people who might gain more chest size from flat as opposed to declines on a smith.

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[Maronn]

above

Many thanks!!

[morado02]

Thanks for the help you can give me.
I have one question regarding the reload/deload phases
In the thread is said that we might stay doing reload/deload for as long as we want to, my question is how is it doing it with the compounds?
What I mean is for example on 1st reload use 500mg Test e, and 250mg test e on deload.
Then 2nd reload would be 750mgs test e, and 250 on reload.
Then 3rd reload 1gr test e and 500mg on deload.
Will I have to be increasing the test e every reload, or I should incorporate another compounds and keep the test to a certain limit?

Regards

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks for the help you can give me.
I have one question regarding the reload/deload phases
In the thread is said that we might stay doing reload/deload for as long as we want to, my question is how is it doing it with the compounds?
What I mean is for example on 1st reload use 500mg Test e, and 250mg test e on deload.
Then 2nd reload would be 750mgs test e, and 250 on reload.
Then 3rd reload 1gr test e and 500mg on deload.
Will I have to be increasing the test e every reload, or I should incorporate another compounds and keep the test to a certain limit? It all depends on how well you respond to test and what side effects you develop. Some people find they cannot go past 1 gram of test or even use 1gram of test without feeling very lethargic or having issues with high blood pressure. Those who have fewer receptor sites do not seem to make any appreciatable strength gains by going past 1 gram of test.

Others thrive on 1.5-2 grams of test or more per week. For those who cannot tolerate more test it's best to add in other drugs like tren, deca and d-bol. Many tend to make better gains with less side effects using a combination of different compounds while not going past 1 grams of test per week as their base drug (for ie: 1 grams of test per week and 50 mgs of d-bol daily). Some of you recreational users who do not compete will feel your best doing test only cycles! Some people use only 500-750 mgs of test per week as their baseline. Also, the more advanced you become the more tolerant you become to dosing and the more you need to get the same effect. Therefore, you may grow like crazy on 600 mgs of test per week as a newbie but find that as you advance you need 1.5 grams of test per week to get any noticeable effect. GH is heavily used by pro-bodybuilder's in order to get to a whole new level of muscular development (it's not their diet or training routines!) but they have enough money to buy large amounts which are needed to make muscle stand up and grow instead of just using lower dosages for fat loss like the majority of people who cannot afford to do other wise! Regards

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[seriouscardio]

Hey Ronnie, I’ve read your initial post and find it extremely insightful. It’s really cool how you take the time to share your experience and opinions with members of the public who seek guidance. That being said, I’ll give you a quick synopsis of my current situation and ask a few pointed questions. Your honesty and opinions would be well received.

I am 32 years old and feel a severe drop in energy and strength. I eat between 120-180 grams of protein and the rest non-processed, healthy food. I incline press 85’s on a good day. YESTERDAY I saw a cheesy shirtless camera phone pic of myself in '08 and compared it with a pic I took recently and I look exactly the same. Not one more ounce of size, and it’s been two years! I even weigh the same. I need help to get me out of this slump, and I figure supplements are the way to go. Besides for protein and creatine, I've only experiemented with pro-hormones. For one month I ran a cycle of CTD Labs Trenbolen pills. I actually saw more definition and appeared more muscular. Even my then training partner, who knew nothing about it, asked if I was juicing. I think my body responds extremely well to supplements, which is what makes me really excited about this new adventure.

Anyway, I would like advice on the following questions as well as any additional wisdom you can offer.

1) My First Real Cycle
a. I understand that while using anabolic supplements I may retain some water, however I do not want to turn into a blimp. I plan to still do tough short cardio sessions 3-4x a week, eat loads of protein and maintain a healthy, alcohol-free diet. Also I will be sure to lift 5-6x per week.

Q. If I am diligent, can I still maintain a somewhat lean look?


b. I just ordered 10mg Dianabol tabs and 50mg Stanozolol tabs (as well as Clomid, Nolvadex, and liver support) from a company that I researched pretty thoroughly. I’d Love to just do them for 4-6 weeks at a time (hate needles), but as I understand, that’s a waste and that I should run this with testosterone.

Q. Since my body responded well to a pro-hormone regimen, would it be OK for me to try Dbol/ Stan for a month or so and see how I do? If so, how much? How long? OR,

Q. Do I need to inject? I hate needles, but figure I am willing to take a shot (no pun) and just deal with it. Plus my gf is a nurse who injects all day long, so she can do it.

***. I heard that 8 weeks of Sustanon 250mg per week, Dianabol 20-30mgs for the first 4 weeks and 50mg Stanozolol for that last 4 weeks, Nolvadexx as a precaution and two weeks of Clomid for PCT is a good, simple way to go. What do you think? Please give me your recommendations.


c. How do I maintain the gains after my cycle(s)?

Q. I don’t want to lose the precious muscle that I have worked so hard and sweated for. If I keep my regimen up and keep with the loads of high protein foods spread throughout the day, can I expect to keep the larger muscle size?


I appreciate your time, advice and thoughtful consideration.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, i’ve read your initial post and find it extremely insightful. It’s really cool how you take the time to share your experience and opinions with members of the public who seek guidance. That being said, i’ll give you a quick synopsis of my current situation and ask a few pointed questions. Your honesty and opinions would be well received.

I am 32 years old and feel a severe drop in energy and strength. I eat between 120-180 grams of protein and the rest non-processed, healthy food. I incline press 85’s on a good day. Yesterday i saw a cheesy shirtless camera phone pic of myself in '08 and compared it with a pic i took recently and i look exactly the same. Not one more ounce of size, and it’s been two years! I even weigh the same. I need help to get me out of this slump, and i figure supplements are the way to go. Besides for protein and creatine, i've only experiemented with pro-hormones. For one month i ran a cycle of ctd labs trenbolen pills. I actually saw more definition and appeared more muscular. Even my then training partner, who knew nothing about it, asked if i was juicing. I think my body responds extremely well to supplements, which is what makes me really excited about this new adventure.

Anyway, i would like advice on the following questions as well as any additional wisdom you can offer.

1) my first real cycle
a. I understand that while using anabolic supplements i may retain some water, however i do not want to turn into a blimp. a little water retention won't make you fat. Eating too many calories is what makes you fat! i plan to still do tough short cardio sessions 3-4x a week, eat loads of protein and maintain a healthy, alcohol-free diet. Also i will be sure to lift 5-6x per week. 4-5 days is plenty!

q. If i am diligent, can i still maintain a somewhat lean look?


B. I just ordered 10mg dianabol tabs and 50mg stanozolol tabs (as well as clomid, nolvadex, and liver support) from a company that i researched pretty thoroughly. I’d love to just do them for 4-6 weeks at a time (hate needles), but as i understand, that’s a waste and that i should run this with testosterone. please do not mix winstrol with d-bol.

q. Since my body responded well to a pro-hormone regimen, would it be ok for me to try dbol/ stan for a month or so and see how i do? If so, how much? How long? or, add 500-600 mgs of test-e per week with either winstrol or d-bol. For size go with 25 mgs d-bol for starters. Winstrol is for cutting mostly.

q. Do i need to inject? yes! i hate needles, but figure i am willing to take a shot (no pun) and just deal with it. Plus my gf is a nurse who injects all day long, so she can do it. then you are good to go!
***. I heard that 8 weeks of sustanon 250mg per week, dianabol 20-30mgs for the first 4 weeks and 50mg stanozolol for that last 4 weeks, nolvadexx as a precaution and two weeks of clomid for pct is a good, simple way to go. What do you think? Please give me your recommendations. steer clear of nolvadex unless absolutely needed as it can increase estrogen receptors and actually cause you to get gyno when you would have never gotten it in the first place. Keep nolva on hand in case you get symptoms and they do not leave after around 2 weeks after first signs of symptoms occur. Hormonal changes can make some peoples nipples sensitive but it often leaves after only a couple of weeks. Also, too much d-bol can cause gyno for some!

c. How do i maintain the gains after my cycle(s)? Pct. Hcg is best.

Q. I don’t want to lose the precious muscle that i have worked so hard and sweated for. If i keep my regimen up and keep with the loads of high protein foods spread throughout the day, can i expect to keep the larger muscle size? some but not all gains will be kept. Generally about 50% with first real cycle.


I appreciate your time, advice and thoughtful consideration.

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[Coca Cola]

steer clear of nolvadex unless absolutely needed as it can increase estrogen receptors and actually cause you to get gyno when you would have never gotten it in the first place. Keep nolva on hand in case you get symptoms and they do not leave after around 2 weeks after first signs of symptoms occur. Hormonal changes can make some peoples nipples sensitive but it often leaves after only a couple of weeks. Also, too much d-bol can cause gyno for some!

Ronnie

This statement confuses me quite a bit, since you usually recommends nolva and/or clomid with HCG for PCT.

I'm near the end of my 20 weeks slingshot cycle, I was planning to use HCG 2500iu EOD for a total of 8 injections stacked with Nolva 10mg ED for 30 days just for precaution against gyno, but now you said Nolva can increase estrogen receptor and actually cause gyno, so does this mean that I should stick to HCG only without any Nolva??

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie

This statement confuses me quite a bit, since you usually recommends nolva and/or clomid with HCG for PCT.Let me clarify things! While nolvadex blocks estrogen receptors at some sites, it is known to actually stimulate estrogen receptors at other sites. During PCT you use nolvadex for only a short period of time. This is not a big deal. It's long term use during cycles I am not a big fan of! I would use arimidex or aromasin over nolvadex any day during a lengthy steroid cycle. But. estrogen is needed for growth, sex drive, energy and mood so never taken them unless absolutely needed during a cycle.

I'm near the end of my 20 weeks slingshot cycle, I was planning to use HCG 2500iu EOD for a total of 8 injections stacked with Nolva 10mg ED for 30 days just for precaution against gyno, but now you said Nolva can increase estrogen receptor and actually cause gyno, so does this mean that I should stick to HCG only without any Nolva?? If it were me personally, I would use the nolvadex "only" if anti-es were used during a cycle but if you did not use anti-es during a cycle then HCG alone is all that's needed IMO.

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[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
If you have time, could you look at the private message I sent you the other day regarding HGH?

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
If you have time, could you look at the private message I sent you the other day regarding HGH?

Many thanks Ronnie. You are awesome.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

big ronnie....what would cause an.... irregular heartbeat.... after doing a show???? Brother was taking test...tren...winstrol...clen...t-3....

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...do you feel...pro bodybuilding is mostly a rich mans' sport for those with insane genes??? do hardgainers ever reach that level if they take enough drugs...n...eat enough protein...with good training???

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5302305]ronnie...do you feel...pro bodybuilding is mostly a rich mans' sport for those with insane genes??? You have to be well off but not rich. do hardgainers ever reach that level if they take enough drugs...n...eat enough protein...with good training???NO! But, if they have perfect symmetry they can go along ways![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

big ronnie....what would cause an.... irregular heartbeat.... after doing a show???? Brother was taking test...tren...winstrol...clen...t-3....

Sounds like hyper thyroidism caused by the t-3. Fatigue is usually accompanied with the irregular heart beats.I 've seen this happen to several competitors. Usually after about 3 months of coming off the t-3 the thyroid gets back to normal and the irregular heart beat leaves. During the period of having an irregualr heart beat it's wise to reduce both cardio and sets used during weight training to allow the body some rest so it will bounce back faster.

[adlyn]

Hey ron I was also wondering is there any alternative then dbol? I understand that dbol is also going to be hard on the liver. If dbol gonna be the only one extra on the 2nd reload, what type of precaution should I take? Will only liver aid gonna be fine? And one more thing should I include hcg for my pct? I mean I do still wanna celebrate father's day in the future as I'm still not married.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron i was also wondering is there any alternative then dbol? yes, an alternative could be used but d-bol is not going to hurt your liver when used properly. I understand that dbol is also going to be hard on the liver. 8 weeks of using d-bol is nothing to be alarmed about. If dbol gonna be the only one extra on the 2nd reload, what type of precaution should i take? Will only liver aid gonna be fine? you don't need anything! and one more thing should i include hcg for my pct? yes! i mean i do still wanna celebrate father's day in the future as i'm still not married.

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[stoner2187]

Hello I am very new to this, I am 35, I am a Army Vet, I have worked out very little in respect to building muscle, but I have made the decision to build the body that I have always wanted. So here I am I know literally nothing besides all the info from this site, about steroids, I need to get some info about what to use, side effects, like rage, I cant have that! and low sex drive.. what I should do for work oputs, I dont understand all the lingo or well all the lingo I am not much of a gym guy I have been hitting the local gym for about 4 months now. I weight 175 -178lbs i can about bench that much give or take, I am 5'7" tall , I want to weight about 180 and lose the fat I have, My bmi is probly off the charts right now, I am not sure what it is high,, But 20% is ok with me, I will not be a lifer with the weights well I may end up being a lifer, not sure right now I want to start a plan and get to where I want to be... Can you point me in the right direction, I need to know what to use, for a steriod, what suppliments to use, diet etc.. I am a blank board looking for some forming....
Thank you.

[ericzacha]

Thanks for the post. Good info for a newbie

[chrisx]

Ron I have a question...

When is it that you STOP losing your gains after a cycle? Is it when pct is complete, or a couple weeks after pct?

[chrisx]

Ron I'm hearing horror stories regarding gyno.

Is it true that once you have it (lump in the breast), that you cannot get rid of it with AI's, that will only prevent it from getting worse?

If that is the case I think I might want to PREVENT it from even occuring. What should I take to prevent gyno from occuring and at what dosages?

[The Titan99]

Quick Question Ron. I started my Slingshot workout 9 weeks ago. I did a 4 week reload followed by a 1 week deload. I was working with too high a volume I think. The deload worked wonders on recovery though (Thanks!!) Today I start week 5 of my 8 week reload. The first 6 weeks I was doing 400 mg Test C/400 mg Deca. The last 3 weeks I upped the Test to 800 mg and left the Deca at 400 mg. I've used 250 iu's of HCG twice a week since week 5. I started taking Nolva as a precaution against Gyno and it gave me some slight ED problems. I dropped the Nolva and started taking Proviron 100 mg ed for the last week. That Problem is solved. This is my second cycle and I'm trying to decide whether or not to bridge the thing for 2 weeks (200 mg Test C) or PCT. The question is, first, would you recommend the bridge, then one more reload, then PCT, and if so, when would you reduce the Test/stop the Deca? If you recommend PCT at what point should I stop the AAS, (Possibly 2 weeks before the end of my reload?) I'm feeling no negative side effects and would love to keep blasting. Can you start another reload while in PCT, or would it be a good time for a Prime?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron I'm hearing horror stories regarding gyno.

Is it true that once you have it (lump in the breast), that you cannot get rid of it with AI's, that will only prevent it from getting worse? Yes, but the lumps get smaller after you have been off for a while.
If that is the case I think I might want to PREVENT it from even occuring. What should I take to prevent gyno from occuring and at what dosages? I've seen plenty of guys get gyno while using anti-es. And I have seen plenty of guys never get gyno regardless of how much they used or what they took. For maximum reprevention I would suggest you use aromasin every day at a dose that still allowed you to have some sex drive. Don't expect to make maximum muscle gains or have a great sex drive!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron I have a question...

When is it that you STOP losing your gains after a cycle? Is it when pct is complete, or a couple weeks after pct? It depends on how advanced you are. The more advanced you are the longer you will lose gains post pct because you have more muscle to lose. Time limits varying amongst individuals.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hello I am very new to this, I am 35, I am a Army Vet, I have worked out very little in respect to building muscle, but I have made the decision to build the body that I have always wanted. So here I am I know literally nothing besides all the info from this site, about steroids, I need to get some info about what to use, side effects, like rage, I cant have that! and low sex drive.. what I should do for work oputs, I dont understand all the lingo or well all the lingo I am not much of a gym guy I have been hitting the local gym for about 4 months now. I weight 175 -178lbs i can about bench that much give or take, I am 5'7" tall , I want to weight about 180 and lose the fat I have, My bmi is probly off the charts right now, I am not sure what it is high,, But 20% is ok with me, I will not be a lifer with the weights well I may end up being a lifer, not sure right now I want to start a plan and get to where I want to be... Can you point me in the right direction, I need to know what to use, for a steriod, what suppliments to use, diet etc.. I am a blank board looking for some forming....
Thank you.

Please read through this thread and then post a question. You do not need steroids (even at your age) until you have trained properly for at least 3 months.

[ricky23]

hi ron, what do you make of paul borresen's theories of short burst cycling as opposed to blasting and cruising or 8 week reload 2 week deload continuously? basically no longer than 30 days but taking very large doses daily then stopping for pct for a total of 21 days then jumping back on, people have reported a gain of 24 lbs in around 25 days, but id be very very surprised if most of it was not water. also hes well known for advising dorian yates (before they fell out) so you would imagine dorian was taking very high doses also but he told me in person that the max hes taken is 1.5g of test, and he seems like a very honest no nonsense guy. marcus posted a great thread on here about short burst cycling and i think theoretically i would be great to break past plateaus, not sure if its more effective than the reload deload protocol though as there would be a constant weight fluctuation in between cycles - what do you think?
thanks ronnie

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron, what do you make of paul borresen's theories of short burst cycling as opposed to blasting and cruising or 8 week reload 2 week deload continuously? i think short high dosed cycles are harder on the endocrine system, blood pressure, joints, etc and much of what is gained is fat and water. It takes time for quality muscle to be built.basically no longer than 30 days but taking very large doses daily then stopping for pct for a total of 21 days then jumping back on, people have reported a gain of 24 lbs in around 25 days, but id be very very surprised if most of it was not water. Also hes well known for advising dorian yates (before they fell out) so you would imagine dorian was taking very high doses also but he told me in person that the max hes taken is 1.5g of test, and he seems like a very honest no nonsense guy. dorian may have only taken 1.5 grams of test but he took a lot of gh, insulin and additional steroids to reach that kind of condition. And i can assure you dorian did not go off steroids and begin a pct for 21 days after using for only 30 days. He stayed on year round!marcus posted a great thread on here about short burst cycling and i think theoretically i would be great to break past plateaus, i agree! not sure if its more effective than the reload deload protocol though as there would be a constant weight fluctuation in between cycles - what do you think? the pro bodybuilders do in fact take large dosages to break plateaus but they do it for longer than 30 days at a time. Things have evolved.
thanks ronnie

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[daniel20]

Hey ronnie. Had to cut my first 20 week blast of test e only short due to sickness. So I finished up with pct of 1500iu of HCG EOD for 2 weeks. Its been about 8 weeks now since pct, feeling great, got my diet dialled in even more, so I'm looking at another 20 week blast.

I have 100ml of Test E and 500 tabs of 10mg Dbol.

Now should I do Test E only again, seems though I cut my last blast short at 11 weeks??. OR add in the dbol to second reload or both reloads this time round. What is your opinion?

To be honest I would rather max out my gains on Test only for as long as possible, before I add another anabolic, just because I feel Test is safe, I feel great on it and I have great gains.. Again I would love to hear your opinion on adding another anabolic.

Reload
500mg Test E /Week
25mg Dbol /Daily (or leave this out?)
Deload
250mg Test E /Week
Reload
750mg Test E /Week
40mg Dbol /Daily (and add dbol at 25mg daily here?)

Also do you believe there is any correlation between estrogen and acne? I see some Mods on boards say that running an AI like arimidex at 0.25mg EOD can help if your prone to acne like myself, (but not gyno! thank god!!). I just can't see how an AI would help because isn't acne androgen related?

Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie. Had to cut my first 20 week blast of test e only short due to sickness. So i finished up with pct of 1500iu of hcg eod for 2 weeks. Its been about 8 weeks now since pct, feeling great, got my diet dialled in even more, so i'm looking at another 20 week blast.

I have 100ml of test e and 500 tabs of 10mg dbol.

Now should i do test e only again, seems though i cut my last blast short at 11 weeks??. Or add in the dbol to second reload or both reloads this time round. What is your opinion? go swith test only again for another 8 week reload then add in the d-bol during the following reload.
to be honest i would rather max out my gains on test only for as long as possible, before i add another anabolic, just because i feel test is safe, i feel great on it and i have great gains..i agree! again i would love to hear your opinion on adding another anabolic.

Reload
500mg test e /week
25mg dbol /daily (or leave this out?) leave out d-bol but increase test to 750 mgs per week
deload
250mg test e /week
reload
750mg test e /week
40mg dbol /daily (and add dbol at 25mg daily here?) keep test at 750 mgs per week and 25 mgs of d-bol daily
also do you believe there is any correlation between estrogen and acne? I see some mods on boards say that running an ai like arimidex at 0.25mg eod can help if your prone to acne like myself, (but not gyno! Thank god!!). I just can't see how an ai would help because isn't acne androgen related?if you are prone to acne your going to get it regardless if you use an ai or not!
thanks!

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[oker]

Hey Ronnie,

I've just read through your thread on STS and I must say I was blown away! I've been doing the CKD diet and the STS works in perfect with that (wanting to lose BF but lose no muscle).

I know it's been quite a while since you wrote the thread, but are you still providing advice? If so please let me know - I have a few questions regarding my STS training, CKD diet, and cycle.

Currently doing my 3rd cycle at 500 test e a week (I generally do small cycles for building muscle and getting cut but not looking to get huge and started 3 weeks ago). Also, using d-bol to kick start first 4 weeks of cycle.

One important question I have, for now, is that I want to cruise during deload...what dose would you suggest during this 2 week period? Considering I'm only taking the 500mg a week during reload. Would 100mg's a week suffice or more?

Cheers Ronnie
Oker
BKK

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

I've just read through your thread on STS and I must say I was blown away! I've been doing the CKD diet and the STS works in perfect with that (wanting to lose BF but lose no muscle).

I know it's been quite a while since you wrote the thread, but are you still providing advice? If so please let me know - I have a few questions regarding my STS training, CKD diet, and cycle.

Currently doing my 3rd cycle at 500 test e a week (I generally do small cycles for building muscle and getting cut but not looking to get huge and started 3 weeks ago). Also, using d-bol to kick start first 4 weeks of cycle.

One important question I have, for now, is that I want to cruise during deload...what dose would you suggest during this 2 week period? Considering I'm only taking the 500mg a week during reload. Would 100mg's a week suffice or more? Go with 200 mgs per week and feel free to ask questions concerning Slingshot Training in this thread!
Cheers Ronnie
Oker
BKK

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[BJJ]

Do you think it is wise to draw first an oil based compound like EQ, then on the same syringe NPP and at the end a water based steroid like test susp?

In this way, I would inject first test susp, then NPP and at the end EQ.

Makes sense?
Thank you

[Ronnie Rowland]

Do you think it is wise to draw first an oil based compound like EQ, then on the same syringe NPP and at the end a water based steroid like test susp?

In this way, I would inject first test susp, then NPP and at the end EQ. It won't make a difference. Just mix it and inject.
Makes sense?
Thank you

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[JuliusPleaser]

Ronnie,

I'm on week one of my sling shot, im looking forward to the results!!!

anyway,

I read on an above post that bodybuilders us massive amounts of gh to get to the next level...i am currently on 5ius of riptropins (chinese version) and i have ordered 150ius of Norditropin (novo disk) pharmgrade gh...

now i would highly doubt that anyone can afford to take Pharm grade hgh at 10-20ius a day, as its reported bbuilders take in order to GROW from gh...it would costs THOUSANDS a month!!!

from the people you know, what are they taking in terms of HGH dosages to gain muscle?

are they using generics at 10-20ius ed or are they using pharm...and isn't pharm grade better quality where u dont have to use as much...?

i plan on taking norditropin nordilet pens at 3iu a day 5/2 since i was not happy with 6 months of riptropin at 5ius...another board told me that me being on riptropin 5/2 for 6 months only really came out to beint 3.5 months because of teh 2 days a week off, and that my results could have been more had i been on 7 days a week, saying that the protocol i took made no sense if money wasn't an issue...i always read that u should give ur pitutary gland a rest...what is ur opinion on all this?...does it really make a difference?...my boy is on nutropin aq, and he takes 2ius 5/2 and within 2 weeks felt results, and 2 months is now 5% bf...doesn't seem to effect his results...is pharm grade that much better than generic??

theres a whole other post about chinese HGH concerns how we cant even trust chinese generics anymore, or brands for that matter!

also, i was reading that one should cycle off GH therapy after a while since the body will become accostumed to the dosages, therefore one should stop therapy for a month, increase dosages, or upgrade quality...

what are your thoughts on all this? thank u

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

i'm on week one of my sling shot, im looking forward to the results!!!

Anyway,

i read on an above post that bodybuilders us massive amounts of gh to get to the next level...i am currently on 5ius of riptropins (chinese version) and i have ordered 150ius of norditropin (novo disk) pharmgrade gh...

Now i would highly doubt that anyone can afford to take pharm grade hgh at 10-20ius a day, as its reported bbuilders take in order to grow from gh...it would costs thousands a month!!!some can't afford to take that much year round obviosuly, so they take it in high doses for shorter period of time.

From the people you know, what are they taking in terms of hgh dosages to gain muscle? 8-24 ius per day.

are they using generics at 10-20ius ed or are they using pharm...pharm grade mostly! and isn't pharm grade better quality where u dont have to use as much...?yes!

i plan on taking norditropin nordilet pens at 3iu a day 5/2 since i was not happy with 6 months of riptropin at 5ius...another board told me that me being on riptropin 5/2 for 6 months only really came out to beint 3.5 months because of teh 2 days a week off, and that my results could have been more had i been on 7 days a week, saying that the protocol i took made no sense if money wasn't an issue..you need to take gh every day not 5 days per week! .i always read that u should give ur pitutary gland a rest...what is ur opinion on all this?...does it really make a difference?...taking off 2 days could cause a yo-yo effect with your sugar levels and taking off 2 days is not going to effect the pituitary gland in a positive manner. my boy is on nutropin aq, and he takes 2ius 5/2 and within 2 weeks felt results, and 2 months is now 5% bf...doesn't seem to effect his results...is pharm grade that much better than generic??pharm grade is much better!
theres a whole other post about chinese hgh concerns how we cant even trust chinese generics anymore, or brands for that matter! i personally wouldnt spend my money on generic gh. I do not trust it and the legit stuff is still much weaker.
also, i was reading that one should cycle off gh therapy after a while since the body will become accostumed to the dosages, therefore one should stop therapy for a month, increase dosages, or upgrade quality...going off any drug after a period of time is always wise. I would start by using a upgrade quality to begin with and increase dosages as needed. Rememeber, gh has side efects and too much of anything is not good for your body or wallet.
what are your thoughts on all this? Thank u

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