You'll want to read this!

[terraj]

Hello Ron

I have some tendonitis in my patellar and tricep tendonitis at the elbow.

I use wraps or straps and ice afterwards and the tendonitis has not gotten any worse. It's not hurting my workouts at all and I still have been lifting heavy weight.

My concern is if I keep training do I risk tendon degeneration leading to a tear or rupture.....

age 40

Thanks

[Archangel.]

Ron, what would you recommend for the best bicep and also triceps routine? My current ones are starting to feel "stale". Also, for triceps I LOVE pushdowns, but I can't use enough weight unless I use the lat pulldown, and even then I can't keep my feet on the floor because it's so heavy. Even if I set the pin so I get 8-12 reps, I still get hoisted off the floor. What should I do hear??
Thanks

[chrisx]

Ron in response to your answer below..

In case signs of gyno start to occur, it's ok if i have nolva on hand instead of armidex to cure it correct? (i really do not ever want to take arimidex just from what you said it can do to the joints)you could use nolvadex if you choose to do so but when you come off there will be an estrogen rebound and gyno may be worse than ever. Aromasin would be a better drug to use by itself or for the next 2 weeks immediately after coming off nolvadex to prevent estrogen rebound. So I should keep Aromasin on hand in case gyno starts to occur. How much of Aromasin should I take and WHEN should I take it if I start to feel signs?

4. How many times can i inject in one area before having to switch to another?once a week max is best. So if I'm taking test Mondays and Thursdays, I can go from ass cheek to ass cheek every other shot correct? So my right side will get Mondays and the left Thursdays is this correct Ronnie?

[Maronn]

Begin reloading again for 8 weeks!

thanks ronnie. so you think it is not necessary to reduce the test e for a while and just stick to it for other 8 weeks!?

[Indian Muscle]

Ron, Your opinion on Boldenone?

[the big 1]

hey ronnie, i just wanna say that i think your posts on slingshot training are brilliant, after spending most of my weekend sifting through pages of your research i must say im extremely impressed, thankyou.

stats (no juice im still natty)

5 foot 9.5 inches
190 lbs
10-12 bf
training 2-3 years HIT (Mentzer)
21 years old

Im gonna do a 2 week prime using the 4 day split, training each muscle once a week with about 12-15 reps and 4 sets/exercises per bodypart...

my prime diet is 500 below maintinance kcals - with half the amount of protien i usualy eat, and more carbs and fats (Low gi, low sat) to replace kcals...

Pro - 201g - carbs - 186g - fat - 95g (2403 kcal)

then im doing an 8 week blast and, same exercises as the prime, but 12 sets for each body part in the 8-10 rep range...with prep sets....and hypertrophy sets...

blast diet is still below maint cause i wanna shed some fat (is this OK ?), i dont react well to carbs so im no high carb muncher when trying to gain mass...

320g protien - 178g carbs - 72g fat - (around 2700 kcal)

ronnie, am i doing this right ?

[the big 1]

Ron, what would you recommend for the best bicep and also triceps routine? My current ones are starting to feel "stale". Also, for triceps I LOVE pushdowns, but I can't use enough weight unless I use the lat pulldown, and even then I can't keep my feet on the floor because it's so heavy. Even if I set the pin so I get 8-12 reps, I still get hoisted off the floor. What should I do hear??
Thanks

Got a good idea, buy a dipping belt to ancor your self down so your feet dont ride up...

[Showdog]

Hey Ronnie can you give me a little more help in understanding. I am a newbie and would love some of your helpful tips on getting going on this program. Thanks for any and all comments.

[Archangel.]

Got a good idea, buy a dipping belt to ancor your self down so your feet dont ride up...

Thanks for the idea bud

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

Next cycle I wanna use HCG On-Cycle for 20 weeks slingshot cycle, but i've been reading that every 8 weeks on hcg it is best to take 2 weeks off, I have several options I've been thinking about, and I would like to hear your opinion on which one is the best?


Option 1:

HCG
Week 1-8 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on HCG)
Week 9-10 = NONE (2 weeks break)
Week 11-18 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on HCG)
Week 19-20 = NONE (2 weeks break)
Week 21-24 = PCT


Option 2:

Week 1 = None
Week 2-9 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on HCG; Starts 1 week after first injection)
Week 10-11 = NONE (2 weeks break)
Week 12-19 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on HCG)
Week 20 = NONE (break)
Week 21-24 = PCT


Option 3 (Almost similar to option 2, but I extend hcg up to week 20 instead of stopping on week 19):

Week 1 = None
Week 2-9 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on HCG)
Week 10-11 = NONE (2 weeks break)
Week 12-19 = 250iu twice per week (9 weeks on HCG, is this too long?)
Week 20 = NONE (break)
Week 21-24 = PCT


Option 4:

If you know a better option, then please insert yours in here Ronnie, thank you!



And a few more things:

1. Eric from Primordial Performance mentioned it is necessary to stop HCG 2 weeks before starting PCT when HCG is used during cycle, he said it is to allow the leydig cells to re-sensitize to our own natural LH production, your thoughts on this?

2. Would you say it's better to run it until Week 20, instead of stopping on Week 18 or 19?

3. For my next cycle's PCT I'm going to try your method of using "HCG only" (been very curious about the result of this method), this means I'm gonna exclude Nolva and Clomid, now for my next question, since I'll be using HCG On-Cycle, what should I do during week 21 to week 24 where I suppose to be doing PCT?

4. Last question, I remember I asked you before about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle, and you said it was fine, what about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle one after another while only taking 4 weeks pct and 6 weeks off in between them (HCG will be used during cycle with 2 weeks break every 8 weeks)? Too risky or not?

[creactiveprotein]

Ronnie -

I have 10,000USP units of HCG, im reconstituting with 10ml of bacteriostatic water, how do I convert this to ml so i know how much to inject? My thoughts were about 0.25ml would equal a 250unit injection?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hello Ron

I have some tendonitis in my patellar and tricep tendonitis at the elbow.

I use wraps or straps and ice afterwards and the tendonitis has not gotten any worse. It's not hurting my workouts at all and I still have been lifting heavy weight.

My concern is if I keep training do I risk tendon degeneration leading to a tear or rupture.....

age 40

Thanks

I do not think you are risking tendon rupture unless it hurts during training. However, you do not want to make things worse. Here's what I would suggest: Cut back your weight loads some and slow down the repetitions to take the load off the joints and help them heal over-time. Also, continue wraps and icing. DECA and GH would be a great addition to help heal those joints!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, what would you recommend for the best bicep and also triceps routine? My current ones are starting to feel "stale". Also, for triceps I LOVE pushdowns, but I can't use enough weight unless I use the lat pulldown, and even then I can't keep my feet on the floor because it's so heavy. Even if I set the pin so I get 8-12 reps, I still get hoisted off the floor. What should I do hear??
Thanks

I have the same problem. Do them one arm at a time!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie can you give me a little more help in understanding. I am a newbie and would love some of your helpful tips on getting going on this program. Thanks for any and all comments.

Let me try simplifying Slingshot Training. You train all out for 8 weeks with higher volume (6-12 sets taken to failure). You increase supplement usage and protein intake during this phase. This is called a reload.

The next phase is a 2 week deload and during this time you cut volume back to about half and do higher reps while still training to failure. You reduce protein intake by half and drastically reduce supplement intake to give the body a break.

Next you return back to an 8 week reload like befoe and the cycle continues-8 wk reload/ 2 wk deload- 8 wk reload/ 2 wk deload!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron in response to your answer below..

In case signs of gyno start to occur, it's ok if i have nolva on hand instead of armidex to cure it correct? (i really do not ever want to take arimidex just from what you said it can do to the joints)you could use nolvadex if you choose to do so but when you come off there will be an estrogen rebound and gyno may be worse than ever. Aromasin would be a better drug to use by itself or for the next 2 weeks immediately after coming off nolvadex to prevent estrogen rebound. so i should keep aromasin on hand in case gyno starts to occur. yes! how much of aromasin should i take and when should i take it if i start to feel signs? i would run it every day at around 2.5 mgs for first week and taper down to about .5 mgs every day4. How many times can i inject in one area before having to switch to another?once a week max is best. [b]so if i'm taking test mondays and thursdays, i can go from ass cheek to ass cheek every other shot correct? [b]yes[/b] so my right side will get mondays and the left thursdays is this correct ronnie? yes[/b]

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie

next cycle i wanna use hcg on-cycle for 20 weeks slingshot cycle, but i've been reading that every 8 weeks on hcg it is best to take 2 weeks off, i have several options i've been thinking about, and i would like to hear your opinion on which one is the best?


Option 1: go with this option and i'll answer other question in another post. Don't have time for all these right now!
hcg
week 1-8 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 9-10 = none (2 weeks break)
week 11-18 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 19-20 = none (2 weeks break)
week 21-24 = pct


option 2:

Week 1 = none
week 2-9 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg; starts 1 week after first injection)
week 10-11 = none (2 weeks break)
week 12-19 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 20 = none (break)
week 21-24 = pct


option 3 (almost similar to option 2, but i extend hcg up to week 20 instead of stopping on week 19):

Week 1 = none
week 2-9 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 10-11 = none (2 weeks break)
week 12-19 = 250iu twice per week (9 weeks on hcg, is this too long?)
week 20 = none (break)
week 21-24 = pct


option 4:

If you know a better option, then please insert yours in here ronnie, thank you!



And a few more things:

1. Eric from primordial performance mentioned it is necessary to stop hcg 2 weeks before starting pct when hcg is used during cycle, he said it is to allow the leydig cells to re-sensitize to our own natural lh production, your thoughts on this?

2. Would you say it's better to run it until week 20, instead of stopping on week 18 or 19?

3. For my next cycle's pct i'm going to try your method of using "hcg only" (been very curious about the result of this method), this means i'm gonna exclude nolva and clomid, now for my next question, since i'll be using hcg on-cycle, what should i do during week 21 to week 24 where i suppose to be doing pct?

4. Last question, i remember i asked you before about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle, and you said it was fine, what about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle one after another while only taking 4 weeks pct and 6 weeks off in between them (hcg will be used during cycle with 2 weeks break every 8 weeks)? Too risky or not?

above

[Archangel.]

Thanks for the answer Ron, but also what would be your recommended best biceps/triceps routine??? My current one is getting stale, thank you

[terraj]

Cheers mate

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, Your opinion on Boldenone?

EQ is a funny drug as some love it and some hate it. To be effective you need to run eq at 800-1000 mgs per week. It can be injected once or twice a week with twice a week injections being optimal.

As long as eq does not cause you to have anxiety or joint pain it can be a good drug to add with test. Some get very hungry on eq while some actually lose their apettite. It can drastically increase hemocrit levels in some and this is my biggest concern with this drug when used too often or for too long.

NOTE: Using eq for a bodybuilding show is not the smartest idea IMO as having high hemocrit levels in conjunction with having to dehydrate to be stage ready is a bad scenario that could cause health complications. Thick blood and becoming dehydrated increases your chances of something going wrong so stay well hydrated if you use this anabolic!

[Juicedupmonkey]

ThAnk you Ronnie for your reply, I only superset bi's and tri's if I'm short on time. I was also wondering if having one shoulder slightly out of place and having a rotator cuff injury on the same side would that affect muscle gains? My bicep/tricep/lat/pec all on my right side (which i am right handed) it's nothing HUGE but i notice it. Thanks again Ronnie.

[chrisx]

Thanx Ron I freaking love you!

[chrisx]

Ron how does this Blast look?

I need to gain about 40pds for football, so I will be body-building first in Phase 1...then in Phase 2 I will be working out for Strength and Hardness.

This is what I plan on doing...

Phase 1
Reload: 8 weeks 500mg Test C
Deload: 2 weeks 250mg Test C
(Somewhat of a bulk, I know I will retain alot of water weight and it will make me slower but then I will turn that hopefully into hard muscle with Phase 2)

Phase 2
Reload: 8 weeks 250mg Test E (250mg, not 500)
8 weeks 200mg Decca
8 weeks 25mg Anavar ed
Deload: 2 weeks 250mg Test E

PCT: weeks 21-24 with Nolva and HCG

How does Phase 2 look Ronnie? Another option I was thinking of is to get rid of the Decca and up the Anavar dosage to 40mg ed. But at the same time I need to gain 40pds of muscle so I can use a little more mass when finishing with Phase 1.

What you think?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Maronn;5240636]thanks ronnie. so you think it is not necessary to reduce the test e for a while and just stick to it for other 8 weeks!? Test should form the base of all cycles to maintain a healthy sex drive. Just reduce dosages of test during deloads![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie

next cycle i wanna use hcg on-cycle for 20 weeks slingshot cycle, but i've been reading that every 8 weeks on hcg it is best to take 2 weeks off, i have several options i've been thinking about, and i would like to hear your opinion on which one is the best?


Option 1:

Hcg
week 1-8 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 9-10 = none (2 weeks break)
week 11-18 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 19-20 = none (2 weeks break)
week 21-24 = pct


option 2:

Week 1 = none
week 2-9 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg; starts 1 week after first injection)
week 10-11 = none (2 weeks break)
week 12-19 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 20 = none (break)
week 21-24 = pct


option 3 (almost similar to option 2, but i extend hcg up to week 20 instead of stopping on week 19):

Week 1 = none
week 2-9 = 250iu twice per week (8 weeks on hcg)
week 10-11 = none (2 weeks break)
week 12-19 = 250iu twice per week (9 weeks on hcg, is this too long?)
week 20 = none (break)
week 21-24 = pct


option 4:

If you know a better option, then please insert yours in here ronnie, thank you!



And a few more things:

1. Eric from primordial performance mentioned it is necessary to stop hcg 2 weeks before starting pct when hcg is used during cycle, he said it is to allow the leydig cells to re-sensitize to our own natural lh production, your thoughts on this? everyone has a different regarding pct. It is not necessary to stop hcg 2 weeks before starting pct. In fact, hcg should make up the base of your pct as it's the best thing you can use to get the testes back up and running.

2. Would you say it's better to run it until week 20, instead of stopping on week 18 or 19? you could stop at week 20 but the other 2 ways will also work. The less you have to take the better

3. For my next cycle's pct i'm going to try your method of using "hcg only" (been very curious about the result of this method), this means i'm gonna exclude nolva and clomid, now for my next question, since i'll be using hcg on-cycle, what should i do during week 21 to week 24 where i suppose to be doing pct? nothing.

4. Last question, i remember i asked you before about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle, and you said it was fine, what about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle one after another while only taking 4 weeks pct and 6 weeks off in between them (hcg will be used during cycle with 2 weeks break every 8 weeks)? Too risky or not?you can do that but due to a yo-yo effect you wil make less gains and put your body through a lot more uneeded stress. It's best to stay on anabolics and just reduce dosages during deloads. Long cycles are best!

above

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie thank you so much for the answer.

I just would like to clarify one thing..

4. Last question, i remember i asked you before about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle, and you said it was fine, what about doing a 30 weeks slingshot cycle one after another while only taking 4 weeks pct and 6 weeks off in between them (hcg will be used during cycle with 2 weeks break every 8 weeks)? Too risky or not?

you can do that but due to a yo-yo effect you wil make less gains and put your body through a lot more uneeded stress. It's best to stay on anabolics and just reduce dosages during deloads. Long cycles are best!

So rather than doing 30 weeks slingshot cycle back-to-back (with 10 weeks off in between them), its better to do 60 weeks cycle straight through instead?

Not sure if thats what u meant, but if it is, isn't 60 weeks cycle would mean a very high chance of causing permanent damage to the HPTA even when HCG is used on cycle?

[skeletal pump]

Ronnie, I know you've already explained your ideal shoulder workout, but what do you think of two pressing movements hitting the front and rear delts in the same workout?

[chrisx]

Ron how does this Blast look?

I need to gain about 40pds for football, so I will be body-building first in Phase 1...then in Phase 2 I will be working out for Strength and Hardness.

This is what I plan on doing...

Phase 1
Reload: 8 weeks 500mg Test C
Deload: 2 weeks 250mg Test C
(Somewhat of a bulk, I know I will retain alot of water weight and it will make me slower but then I will turn that hopefully into hard muscle with Phase 2)

Phase 2
Reload: 8 weeks 250mg Test E (250mg, not 500)
8 weeks 200mg Decca
8 weeks 25mg Anavar ed
Deload: 2 weeks 250mg Test E

PCT: weeks 21-24 with Nolva and HCG

How does Phase 2 look Ronnie? Another option I was thinking of is to get rid of the Decca and up the Anavar dosage to 40mg ed. But at the same time I need to gain 40pds of muscle so I can use a little more mass when finishing with Phase 1.

What you think?

Ron can you answer the above questions for me plz?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie -

I have 10,000USP units of HCG, im reconstituting with 10ml of bacteriostatic water, how do I convert this to ml so i know how much to inject? My thoughts were about 0.25ml would equal a 250unit injection?

Like most, I'm used to seeing HCG in ius rather than usp. I asked some other vets and it appears a usp is the same as iu. 10,000 units with 10mls would make each ml = 1000 units-hence .25ml would = 250 units


NOTE: If you have 10,000 iu and you dilute in 10mL you have 1000iu per mL . Insulin units (as marked on your slin pin are equivalent to ml, so 10 uints= 1/10ml) So,yes 25units/.25mL would be 250iu of hcg.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks for the answer Ron, but also what would be your recommended best biceps/triceps routine??? My current one is getting stale, thank you

3 sets of standing ez-bar curls
3 sets of seated high-incline dumbbell curls
3 sets of uni-lateral dumbbell spider curls

[Ronnie Rowland]

ThAnk you Ronnie for your reply, I only superset bi's and tri's if I'm short on time. I was also wondering if having one shoulder slightly out of place and having a rotator cuff injury on the same side would that affect muscle gains? My bicep/tricep/lat/pec all on my right side (which i am right handed) it's nothing HUGE but i notice it. Thanks again Ronnie. It's doubtful having one shoulder out of place will cause much problem unless it's painful but a rotator cuff problem can cause certain muscle atrophy if it prevents you from lifting heavy using great form with great intensity!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron how does this Blast look?

I need to gain about 40pds for football, so I will be body-building first in Phase 1...then in Phase 2 I will be working out for Strength and Hardness.

This is what I plan on doing...

Phase 1
Reload: 8 weeks 500mg Test C
Deload: 2 weeks 250mg Test C
(Somewhat of a bulk, I know I will retain alot of water weight and it will make me slower but then I will turn that hopefully into hard muscle with Phase 2)

Phase 2
Reload: 8 weeks 250mg Test E (250mg, not 500)
8 weeks 200mg Decca (bump up deca to 400 mgs per week)
8 weeks 25mg Anavar ed (bump up anavar to 50 mgs per day if you can afford it)Deload: 2 weeks 250mg Test E

PCT: weeks 21-24 with Nolva and HCG

How does Phase 2 look Ronnie? Another option I was thinking of is to get rid of the Decca and up the Anavar dosage to 40mg ed. But at the same time I need to gain 40pds of muscle so I can use a little more mass when finishing with Phase 1.It's impossible for anyone to gain 40 lbs of muscle in 20 weeks. Much of what you gain will be fat and anavar will cause more stregnth gains than muscle gains! Increase the deca and it would be a good idea to increase test to 750 mgs per week in addition to the deca and var.
What you think?

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie thank you so much for the answer.

I just would like to clarify one thing..



So rather than doing 30 weeks slingshot cycle back-to-back (with 10 weeks off in between them), its better to do 60 weeks cycle straight through instead?

30 week cycle would be as follows:
reload 8
deload 2
reload 8 (run hcg weekly)
deload 2 (run hcg weekly)
reload 8
deload 2
pct

Not sure if thats what u meant, but if it is, isn't 60 weeks cycle would mean a very high chance of causing permanent damage to the HPTA even when HCG is used on cycle? I would not use hcg for 60 weeks straight.

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, I know you've already explained your ideal shoulder workout, but what do you think of two pressing movements hitting the front and rear delts in the same workout?

You can do two pressing movements for the deltoids but don't over do the sets or you can over train the rotator cuffs. Working the rear delts on shoulder day is fine-do them last.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, i just wanna say that i think your posts on slingshot training are brilliant, after spending most of my weekend sifting through pages of your research i must say im extremely impressed, thankyou.

stats (no juice im still natty)

5 foot 9.5 inches
190 lbs
10-12 bf
training 2-3 years HIT (Mentzer)
21 years old

Im gonna do a 2 week prime using the 4 day split, training each muscle once a week with about 12-15 reps and 4 sets/exercises per bodypart...This is called a deload not a prime!
my prime diet is 500 below maintinance kcals - with half the amount of protien i usualy eat, and more carbs and fats (Low gi, low sat) to replace kcals...Keep your calories at maintenance level during 2 week deloads. All you need to do is reduce protein intake by around half and increase carbs or fats to keep from losing weight. The deload could be considered a prime but decreasing calories is not neccessary unless you need to lose body fat.
Pro - 201g - carbs - 186g - fat - 95g (2403 kcal)

then im doing an 8 week blast and, same exercises as the prime, but 12 sets for each body part in the 8-10 rep range...with prep sets....and hypertrophy sets...12 sets may be too many for all body parts. I do 12 sets total for lats but generally only do 9 sets intense work sets for other major body parts like chest and arms. For traps and hams I only do 6 sets. You'll have to play around with it so intensity can be high while still avoiding over-training!

blast diet is still below maint cause i wanna shed some fat (is this OK ?), i dont react well to carbs so im no high carb muncher when trying to gain mass...Yes, that will work!
320g protien - 178g carbs - 72g fat - (around 2700 kcal)

ronnie, am i doing this right ?

above

[Archangel.]

Ron, there's been a lot of threads on here lately concerning the fear of ending up on TRT/HRT one day. Can you please shed some light on this topic. More specifically, If I slingshot cycle now (25 years old), and do your full PCT i.e. HCG, Nolva etc, and take 8-10 weeks off between each 20 week blast, is it still inevitable that I will end up on TRT/HRT way before I should i.e. 30's-40's amd even 50's??? I have to be honest with you Ron, I never want to have to resort to TRT, ESPECIALLY before I'm 60. My dad is 73, and he still has that "fire" in him of someone who's 30. He still does all sorts of manual labour (works for himself) takes ZERO medication, whereas all his friends are walking around on canes or in nursing homes.

So, what is the absolute safest way to incorporate your slingshot AAS cycling into my life to AVOID the above mentioned concern, but also still benefit from cycling steroids??? Is it even possible???

Here' a quote from another thread about this topic:
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In my opinion alone, I believe that good PCT will only delay the onset of needing TRT. If you do gear in your 20's, by late 30's I believe you'll likely be on TRT. That's just my opinion from personal experience.

With PCT, it's likely you'll produce enough testicular testosterone to produce sperm and father kids, but over time, that level will naturally drop as you get older. You'll notice old age creeping up on you at a relatively young age, such as fatigue, lethargy, aches, depression, anxiety, and worst of all ED, and loss of libido. You will feel old at a young age. This is called Hypogonadism.

The less amount of cycles a person does, the less amount of damage he is doing to his HPTA. With each cycle, it's like you are speeding up the onset of old age in the long term, should you ever stop doing gear. That's where the problem is, when a person stops, and now no longer produces sufficient endogenous testosterone. That is when old age creeps up on you. As long as testosterone is taken, it act like an anti aging regimen, but it will affect the production of sperm.

I was always told when I began back in to early 90's, to always start on orals. Mild ones back then such as Pronobol 5's, and then cycle onto Anapolon 50's. With orals, 6 weeks on, and 3 weeks off, as they are too toxic. Then use the Anapolon 50 as a stepping stone onto injectables. I never heard of anyone taking injectable, and definately not stacks of gear their first time round. It was always Testosterone (Testoviron) 250mg once per week. This helped to make the off cycle mild to cope with, and the losses less severe. Bulking up on Test, then later adding a Primobolan or a Winstrol, and Clenbuterol, but always having a test base. They were always 10 weeks on and a minimum 3 weeks off. This is to assist the Androgen receptors to work again.

PCT was always HCG. We never used clomid back then. Tamoxifen was always on hand for gyno.

I did that for 3 years, 10 weeks on 3 weeks off....back in '93 to '96 when I was 21 to 24. I still fathered kids upto the age of 35...but did I feel old before my time...heck yeah.
I still retained my size even when not training...it was like it became mature muscle, and even after 15 years I am still 5'10" and 225lbs
Now I'm on TRT...and feel like an 18 year old again. Now, I feel like I have the energy to start training, so I did.

I think a large part of the problem that I see is too many young guys are starting out taking too much gear to begin with. I cringe when I see people advising these guys to start their first cycle with 500mg of test, and sometime even stacking with something else.

To me, even starting with 250mg first ever cycle is too much, and they should start on a mild oral. I can imagine the damage to the HPTA a 500mg cycle and a stack of 400mg of something else will do to over and over again. these are the guys who end up on 1000mg of test, and other stuff, and eventually develop diabetic glaucoma.

What do you think of what this guy's saying?

Thank you! Hope your feeling well now Ron

[Juicedupmonkey]

Ronnie I'm prone to gyno and I'm planning on running a test/tren cycle. What should I be using for an anti-E? I don't want to use anything like arimidex/aromasin etc... I found those drugs ruined my sex drive and I dunno if stuff like nolva/caber would? I've taken nolva many times but just for PCT. Plus if I get gyno symptoms from the tren nolva only makes it worse correct? So to sum this up what is best to take with test/tren if prone to gyno and keep sex drive RAGING! It pisses off my Girlfriend when I don't want sex on cycle, which I ran one cycle test/tren and I was wanting sex all day everyday then I started with arimidex and that urge was gone.

Thanks Ronnie!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron, there's been a lot of threads on here lately concerning the fear of ending up on trt/hrt one day. Can you please shed some light on this topic. More specifically, if i slingshot cycle now (25 years old), and do your full pct i.e. Hcg, nolva etc, and take 8-10 weeks off between each 20 week blast, is it still inevitable that i will end up on trt/hrt way before i should i.e. 30's-40's amd even 50's??? its imposssible to say for sure as many guys end up on hrt past age 35 and they have never done steroids! Obviously, genetics play a large role. i have to be honest with you ron, i never want to have to resort to trt, especially before i'm 60. My dad is 73, and he still has that "fire" in him of someone who's 30. He still does all sorts of manual labour (works for himself) takes zero medication, whereas all his friends are walking around on canes or in nursing homes.

So, what is the absolute safest way to incorporate your slingshot aas cycling into my life to avoid the above mentioned concern, but also still benefit from cycling steroids??? Is it even possible??? i would do a 20 week slingshot cycle using steroids then do a 10 week slingshot phase clean plus pct if you want to go about it in the safest manner possible!

here' a quote from another thread about this topic:
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in my opinion alone, i believe that good pct will only delay the onset of needing trt. If you do gear in your 20's, by late 30's i believe you'll likely be on trt. That's just my opinion from personal experience.

With pct, it's likely you'll produce enough testicular testosterone to produce sperm and father kids, but over time, that level will naturally drop as you get older. You'll notice old age creeping up on you at a relatively young age, such as fatigue, lethargy, aches, depression, anxiety, and worst of all ed, and loss of libido. You will feel old at a young age. This is called hypogonadism.

The less amount of cycles a person does, the less amount of damage he is doing to his hpta. With each cycle, it's like you are speeding up the onset of old age in the long term, should you ever stop doing gear. That's where the problem is, when a person stops, and now no longer produces sufficient endogenous testosterone. That is when old age creeps up on you. As long as testosterone is taken, it act like an anti aging regimen, but it will affect the production of sperm.

I was always told when i began back in to early 90's, to always start on orals. Mild ones back then such as pronobol 5's, and then cycle onto anapolon 50's. With orals, 6 weeks on, and 3 weeks off, as they are too toxic. Then use the anapolon 50 as a stepping stone onto injectables. I never heard of anyone taking injectable, and definately not stacks of gear their first time round. It was always testosterone (testoviron) 250mg once per week. This helped to make the off cycle mild to cope with, and the losses less severe. Bulking up on test, then later adding a primobolan or a winstrol, and clenbuterol, but always having a test base. They were always 10 weeks on and a minimum 3 weeks off. This is to assist the androgen receptors to work again.

Pct was always hcg. We never used clomid back then. Tamoxifen was always on hand for gyno.

I did that for 3 years, 10 weeks on 3 weeks off....back in '93 to '96 when i was 21 to 24. I still fathered kids upto the age of 35...but did i feel old before my time...heck yeah.
I still retained my size even when not training...it was like it became mature muscle, and even after 15 years i am still 5'10" and 225lbs
now i'm on trt...and feel like an 18 year old again. Now, i feel like i have the energy to start training, so i did.

I think a large part of the problem that i see is too many young guys are starting out taking too much gear to begin with. I cringe when i see people advising these guys to start their first cycle with 500mg of test, and sometime even stacking with something else.

To me, even starting with 250mg first ever cycle is too much, and they should start on a mild oral. I can imagine the damage to the hpta a 500mg cycle and a stack of 400mg of something else will do to over and over again. These are the guys who end up on 1000mg of test, and other stuff, and eventually develop diabetic glaucoma.

What do you think of what this guy's saying? You are going to hear all kinds of theories, etc. I certainly do not agree with some of the things he wrote (for example, 250 mgs of test is too much for a first cycle. Sounds like a guy who knows little about steroids IMO!!!My good friend is an endocrinologist and even he has no absolute answers. I would go with the advice I gave you above ( 20 weeks on/ 10 weeks off) if you are that concerned!
thank you! Hope your feeling well now ron

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie i'm prone to gyno and i'm planning on running a test/tren cycle. What should i be using for an anti-e? I don't want to use anything like arimidex/aromasin etc... I found those drugs ruined my sex drive and i dunno if stuff like nolva/caber would? I would try cabergoline (twice a week at .025mgs per dosage) and then go from there. I cannot take arimidex or aromasin either as it kills my sex drive when taken in very tiny amounts. But, you could try nolvadex if gyno gets bad. I've taken nolva many times but just for pct. Plus if i get gyno symptoms from the tren nolva only makes it worse correct? not for everyone! so to sum this up what is best to take with test/tren if prone to gyno and keep sex drive raging! It pisses off my girlfriend when i don't want sex on cycle, which i ran one cycle test/tren and i was wanting sex all day everyday then i started with arimidex and that urge was gone. you should only take .025mgs of arimidex twice a week max (monday/thursday) when you have this issue. I would try adding caber as this helps a lot with prolcatin levels then try small amounts of arimidex twice a week if gyno appears. If that fails you can try nolva with caber or just live with the gyno and stick to caber only. I personally will not use anything that kills my sex drive unless it's 4 weeks out from a show.

thanks ronnie!

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[Archangel.]

Thanks very much Ron, for giving your input. So what you're saying is that this:
"in my opinion alone, i believe that good pct will only delay the onset of needing trt. If you do gear in your 20's, by late 30's i believe you'll likely be on trt. That's just my opinion from personal experience.

With pct, it's likely you'll produce enough testicular testosterone to produce sperm and father kids, but over time, that level will naturally drop as you get older"

Is bullshit then? And that the need for TRT/HRT is purely genetic? I'm just extra curious because there was yet ANOTHER thread asking how many of yo vets out there are currently on TRT/HRT? As I read through the thread, pretty much every vet/senior member that responded to this guys' thread said "yes, I'm on TRT/HRT" A lot of these guys are only in their 30's!
So, in your opinion, is this mostly due to AAS "abuse/extended use" and shitty or no PCT, or are you saying purely genetic???

I apologize to bother you with all this crap, and I understand there is some risk to steroid usage, but it freaks me out when people are saying things like the above quoted, and all the vets on here are on TRT/HRT. I plan to use as intelligently as possible. I mean, look at the first quote of the first paragraph of this post, that's SCARY. The guy's pretty much saying whether you use intelligently or not, you're gonna f*** yourself up by the time you're in your 30's and need TRT/HRT.

To sum up, you're saying if I take a full reload and deload off from AAS, with proper PCT i.e. HCG/nolva, I will not or is highly unlikely that I won't damage my HPTA/body to the point I will require TRT/HRT?

Also, some of the vets stated 19 nors are the most damaging, is this true and should someone as concerned as myself then avoid incorporating them into my cycles?

p.s. the arm routine you recommended was awesome

[Archangel.]

"If you want to not end up on TRT early, cycle as little as possible, twice a year max, use hcg to help maintain testicular function while on, use AI's to keep estrogen in check, avoid using 19-nors""

Is this true??

It goes against your theory of leaving HCG to PCT.
And what the hell does using AI's have to do with avoidin premature TRT??