You'll want to read this!

[sixey]

Cycle:

Week1: 75mg prop ed
Week2: 75mg prop ed
Week3: 75mg prop ed
Week4: 75mg prop ed
Week5: 75mg prop ed + 250iu HCG 2x week
Week6: 75mg prop ed + 250iu HCG 2x week
Week7: 75mg prop ed + 250iu HCG 2x week
Week8: 75mg prop ed + 250iu HCG 2x week
Week9: 75mg prop ed + 250iu HCG 2x week
Week10: 75mg prop ed + 250iu HCG 2x week
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Week12: 250iu HCG 2x week + 40mg tamox ed
Week14: 250iu HCG 2x week + 20mg tamox ed
Week15: 20mg tamox ed
Week16: 20mg tamox ed



Additional supps:
Aromasin:
Will be used only if needed to deal with bloat or blatant signs of high estro. Dosages will start at 12.5mg eod, increased if that is not enough. hoping i wont even need it, but im getting it anyways just in case

Nolva:
If I have a gyno flare up, I will run tamox at 40mg ed for the first 5 days, then drop the dose to 20mg, unsure if I will need to keep taking a low 10mg dose to keep the gyno down, or will the 40mg tapered down to 20mg then off be sufficient?

Accutane:
I don’t plan on, or want to use accutane, but knowing my history of very oily skin and acne, im playing it safe on this one and keeping it on hand. Im hoping that with the ed injects and proper estro balance my blood levels should be pretty stable…in the hopes that accutane wont be needed on cycle. However if even with the proper estro control I still flare up on cycle, I will start out at 10mg eod and at the most run 10mg ed.
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any reccomendations??? i know previously you said HCG wasnt needed on a 10wk cycle, no disrespect to you but everyone else says they were shutdown without a doubt and got atrophy on 10-12 week cycles. i figure HCG is cheap/easy enough, run it through the cycle and first two weeks of PCT, so that the PCT itself is much easier and requires less SERM's

[Ronnie Rowland]

cycle:

Week1: 75mg prop ed
week2: 75mg prop ed
week3: 75mg prop ed
week4: 75mg prop ed
week5: 75mg prop ed + 250iu hcg 2x week
week6: 75mg prop ed + 250iu hcg 2x week
week7: 75mg prop ed + 250iu hcg 2x week
week8: 75mg prop ed + 250iu hcg 2x week
week9: 75mg prop ed + 250iu hcg 2x week
week10: 75mg prop ed + 250iu hcg 2x week
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week12: 250iu hcg 2x week + 40mg tamox ed
week14: 250iu hcg 2x week + 20mg tamox ed
week15: 20mg tamox ed
week16: 20mg tamox ed



additional supps:
aromasin:
will be used only if needed to deal with bloat or blatant signs of high estro. you want some bloat to make gains!!!! dosages will start at 12.5mg eod, increased if that is not enough. Hoping i wont even need it, but im getting it anyways just in case

nolva:
if i have a gyno flare up, i will run tamox at 40mg ed for the first 5 days, then drop the dose to 20mg, unsure if i will need to keep taking a low 10mg dose to keep the gyno down, or will the 40mg tapered down to 20mg then off be sufficient?

accutane:
i don’t plan on, or want to use accutane, but knowing my history of very oily skin and acne, im playing it safe on this one and keeping it on hand. Im hoping that with the ed injects and proper estro balance my blood levels should be pretty stable…in the hopes that accutane wont be needed on cycle. However if even with the proper estro control i still flare up on cycle, i will start out at 10mg eod and at the most run 10mg ed.
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[b]any reccomendations??? I know previously you said hcg wasnt needed on a 10wk cycle, no disrespect to you but everyone else says they were shutdown without a doubt and got atrophy on 10-12 week cycles. of course you will get shut down. I never said you would not get shut down! Everyone gets shut down during a cycle. What i said is that everything will come back post cycle if you use hcg when you get off such a short lived cycle. Now if you want to use it while on cycle you can do that as well. i figure hcg is cheap/easy enough, run it through the cycle and first two weeks of pct, so that the pct itself is much easier and requires less serm's anti-es are not mandatory to run along with the hcg post cycle unless you have been using an anti-es throughout the entire cycle but doing so won't hurt.[/b]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, i am new to this site...about 2 year ago i took 2 cycles of sust and deca injections and trained hard. I got a decent size on my body of them, but when i stopped training i lost most of it, i'm guessin once u use steroids u got to use them forever to keep at least some of what you gain through them? However i have started training again and am starting to get cut, i have just got tablets of tren 75 and deca 200, i ain't started a cycle yet, but was wondering exactly how many to take daily/weekly, as i don't want to inject again, i'd rather take them orally, can u give me any tips please mate on the best way to start taking them, Don't mix tren and deca as it can shut you down sexually. Also, do not take deca without test as it can also shut you down. I would do just the tren at 75 mgs per day. You are very limited if you don't inject! You need some oral form of test I guess to add to your deca. thankyou Ronnie, any advice u have will be appreciated and listen to greatly. Shaun!!!

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[chrisx]

Ronnie I've heard from numerous people that 500iu of hcg taken ed for 14 days in pct raised their test back to normal. Do you think that's sufficient enough?? By the way I'm comparing it to your recommended dose of 2500iu eod for 14 days.

And thanks for answering my Aro vs Arm question

[chrisx]

Ronnie about blood work...

Your supposed to get checked BEFORE starting cycle, then again what is it 2 weeks POST PCT?

And sorry for all the questions I just want to do everything to the t this time around!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie I've heard from numerous people that 500iu of hcg taken ed for 14 days in pct raised their test back to normal. Do you think that's sufficient enough?? Yes, that's an ideal plan! By the way I'm comparing it to your recommended dose of 2500iu eod for 14 days.

And thanks for answering my Aro vs Arm question

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[chrisx]

Ronnie Armidex or Aromasin your favorite to have on hand in case of gyno? And at what dosages? Let me know so I know what to get! Lol thanks Ron!

[chrisx]

Ronnie Armidex or Aromasin your favorite to have on hand in case of gyno? And at what dosages? Let me know so I know what to get! Lol thanks Ron!

Ron can you answer the above question for me. Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie Armidex or Aromasin your favorite to have on hand in case of gyno? Stronger=Aromasin=BETTER CHANCE OF RELIEVING GYNO! And at what dosages? 2.5mg per day is effective for 2 weeks once gyno begins then switch to only around .5mgs eod if possible.
Let me know so I know what to get! Lol thanks Ron!

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[ricky23]

ronnie, how do you think clen should be cycled - i read your thread and other info on how benadryl isnt actually effective in upgrading beta 2 receptor cells so do you think it should be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off? also what do you think of using t3 and clen in the offseason while using high doses of tren for quality gains?
thanks ronnie

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, how do you think clen should be cycled - i read your thread and other info on how benadryl isnt actually effective in upgrading beta 2 receptor cells so do you think it should be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off? 2 weeks on/1 week off will suffice. The best way IMO is to ramp up the dosage by 20 every 2 weeks until a maximum dosage has been reached. also what do you think of using t3 and clen in the offseason while using high doses of tren for quality gains?No, it's a bad idea!thanks ronnie

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[ricky23]

ronnie how many calories do you have in the offseason? the highest ive been is 5500 and i went really big but gained water and fat also and it felt too straining. i remember you saying that kai greene had around 200g carbs 150g fats and 600g pro (i think!) in the offseason and thats 4550 cals and thats half of what vic richards had!! i remember reading that dorian yates only recommended 500 cals more than maintenance in the offseason and i think that makes sense, what do you think? also i dont understand why people dont use tren as the main mass builder more often - it makes sense theoretically and if someone responds well to it then im not sure why people stick with extreme doses of test and moderate tren as the gains with tren are far better i think. let me know what you think - thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie how many calories do you have in the offseason? I don't ever count calories! the highest ive been is 5500 and i went really big but gained water and fat also and it felt too straining. i remember you saying that kai greene had around 200g carbs 150g fats and 600g pro (i think!) in the offseason and thats 4550 cals and thats half of what vic richards had!! I doubt Richards ate all of that food unless his metabolism was screaming. i remember reading that dorian yates only recommended 500 cals more than maintenance in the offseason and i think that makes sense, what do you think? I pretty much agree as a lot of weight gain equals a lot of fat gain. also i dont understand why people dont use tren as the main mass builder more often - it makes sense theoretically and if someone responds well to it then im not sure why people stick with extreme doses of test and moderate tren as the gains with tren are far better i think. It's because tren causes too many side efects for themand test is cheaper. let me know what you think - thanks

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[The Trooper]

great work man!

[BJJ]

Hey Ronnie did you miss my question?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=BJJ;5318491]Hey Ronnie did you miss my question? It was answered in post 1551. I just forgot to highlight some of it. Sorry about that! Here's the post-

do you think that only 2 weeks would refresh my receptors to have the best results in the second load? yes, 2 weeks is plenty! Now if you had been on 6-12 months straight i would say it would be a good idea to deload for 4 weeks.

why not 4 weeks? What do i have to lose? WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS GROWING TIME. UNECCESARY TIME SPENT DELOADING IS TIME YOU AREN'T GROWING MUSCLE TO THE MAX. IT'S DURING THE RELOAD YOU MAKE THE MOST GAINS. 2 WEEK DELOADS SIMPLY SET UP AN ENVIROMENT SO THAT YOU CAN BECOME ANABOLIC ONCE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 8 WEEKS. Since you are using growth hormone you could get by with 4 weeks without losing any muscle. But, 4 weeks is not needed at this point and the extra 2 weeks is time you could spend making improvements. All you have to lose is -"improvements"![/quote]above

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[BJJ]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5319707]

Hey Ronnie did you miss my question? It was answered in post 1551. I just forgot to highlight some of it. Sorry about that! Here's the post-above

I understood.
Thank you very much indeed.

[thunkup]

Just joined and this was my first read. Pretty deep. I guess there's more to this stuff that just jabbin in a pick.

Seriously, thanks for the info, I got some work to do.

[chrisx]

Ron why do some people take Aromasin in pct along with hcg and Nolva? Is it necessary?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=chrisx;5319738]Ron why do some people take Aromasin in pct along with hcg and Nolva? They take aromasin in conjuction with the nolvadex to take care of the estrogen rebound that can occur when coming off nolvadex. Remember, it's when coming off the nolvadex that gyno can rear it's ugly head. Is it necessary? I would recommend using aromasin for a week after coming off nolvadex to take are of estrogen rebound but using aromasin alone for PCT will suffice. I see no value in running both nolva and aromasin together. QUOTE]above

[chrisx]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5320368]

Ron why do some people take Aromasin in pct along with hcg and Nolva? They take aromasin in conjuction with the nolvadex to take care of the estrogen rebound that can occur when coming off nolvadex. Remember, it's when coming off the nolvadex that gyno can rear it's ugly head. Is it necessary? I would recommend using aromasin for a week after coming off nolvadex to take are of estrogen rebound but using aromasin alone for PCT will suffice. I see no value in running both nolva and aromasin together. QUOTE]above

So pct will look like this..
Hcg 500iu for 14days
Nolv 20/20/20/20
Aromasin week 5 ??

If that is what your recommending what dosages for Aro?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=chrisx;5320840]

So pct will look like this..
Hcg 500iu for 14days
Nolv 20/20/20/20 (use nolvadex for 2 weeks only along with hcg)
Aromasin week 5 ?? take it during weeks 3 and 4!
If that is what your recommending what dosages for Aro?2.5 ml per day

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[JuliusPleaser]

Hey ronnie...

Instead of doing the Test E , tren n dbol..im gonna run my cycle like this

minimum dosages to see how i respond...im keepin deca in the background for its effects at a low dosage...

500 test 1-8
300mg deca 1-8
400 Eq 1-8

deload (bridge) 9-10
250 test
300 deca (should i only bridge with test?)

reload 11-18

750 test e (or should i jump to 1000)
300mg deca
600 eq (should i stay at 400?)
deload

then pct or reload...haven't decided

what do u think...please feel free to change what u think is best...

ive been on EQ for 3 weeks and see vascularity, but after reading tons of posts of how is SUCKS and does nothing, i wanted to drop it, but then an another board, everyone said its great...so i figured why not combine both deca and eq and not waste the EQ i have already invested in my body...or do u think i should just drop the EQ totally and just do deca...also the other boards do not agree with ur Slingshot theory and are telling me its gonna screw my hormones up...either way, im gonna try it out because the traditional ways of cycling don't seem great regardless

thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie...

Instead of doing the test e , tren n dbol..im gonna run my cycle like this

minimum dosages to see how i respond...im keepin deca in the background for its effects at a low dosage...you may need some proviron and caber with the long term deca usage
500 test 1-8
300mg deca 1-8
400 eq 1-8

deload (bridge) 9-10
250 test
300 deca (should i only bridge with test?) yes, drop deca

reload 11-18

750 test e (or should i jump to 1000) go to 1 gram unless you decide to use tren and/or d-bol during 2nd reload300mg deca
600 eq (should i stay at 400?) most need 800-1000 to notice anything with eq. I'm not a big eq fan as it causes anxiety for many
deload

then pct or reload...haven't decided pct if you want kids
what do u think...please feel free to change what u think is best...

Ive been on eq for 3 weeks and see vascularity, but after reading tons of posts of how is sucks and does nothing, i wanted to drop it, but then an another board, everyone said its great...for the board where "everyone" said EQ was great, i would stear clear! so i figured why not combine both deca and eq and not waste the eq i have already invested in my body...or do u think i should just drop the eq totally and just do deca...combine them both. Also the other boards do not agree with ur slingshot theory and are telling me its gonna screw my hormones up. THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER USED SLINGSHOT TRAINING! .either way, im gonna try it out because the traditional ways of cycling don't seem great regardless anytime you run steroids you screw up your hormones to some extent! Beware of kids, etc, on these boards who think they know it all. You'd be surprised to find out who some of these people really are who hide behind a computer. Some post fake pics up of themselves and make up stuff to try and look impressive. Some think by putting others down it makes them look smarter. Always keep that in mind!

My information is based on experience. Unfortunately, much of what you are being told on these boards is hogwash. They probably just want you to join their board so they can sell you something or want to look big in front of their internet buddies. The reason most pro-bodybuilder's stay off the boards is because they are not going to waste their time arguing with phonies.

note: Keep it simple and steer clear of these boards telling you such because they are clueless! Let me repeat. Anytime you use steroids you get your hormones out of whack. Obviously it hits some much harder than others!
thanks

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[delta1111]

Ronnie,

I am 5 weeks into a course of HGH which I intend to use for 6 months. I'm also taking steriods using the STS regime throughout this time. Because of the cost of HGH, I can only afford to take 4ius ed. Now I know from research that i'm not going to see massive gains from this dose, but just really wanted to see how I respond. I also know that it can take upto 3 months to start seeing results from HGH. My question is, if it takes 3 months to start seeing results and say I decide after 3 months I wasn't happy with my results, so I wanted to start taking more, then does this mean that I have to wait another 3 months to start seeing results of the increased dose? or will I see results sooner? and if so why?
Many thanks.

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, after letro use would aromasin be the best option to prevent estrogen rebound? and if so how long for and at what dose, also after the use of aromasin can arimidex be used again during cycle? thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, after letro use would aromasin be the best option to prevent estrogen rebound? yes! and if so how long for and at what dose, also after the use of aromasin can arimidex be used again during cycle? i answered this same question in an above post. Use aromasin at 2.5 mgs per day for 2 weeks after having used nolvadex for 2 weeks at 20-40 mgs per day. And yes, arimidex can be used during next cycle. thanks

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[frankie_12]

i've been looking at all these forums and you really know what your talking about and i was wondering if i could get your help..

i'm 22 yrs old and have been training since i was 18.. i still carry a small amount of body fat. i am 6ft and weigh about 155 lbs.. i want to start my first cycle but im not sure what gear to get..

i want to get bigger but also get ripped and be defined and just want to know what you suggest...

thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

i've been looking at all these forums and you really know what your talking about and i was wondering if i could get your help..

i'm 22 yrs old and have been training since i was 18.. i still carry a small amount of body fat. i am 6ft and weigh about 155 lbs.. i want to start my first cycle but im not sure what gear to get..

i want to get bigger but also get ripped and be defined and just want to know what you suggest...500 mgs of test-e or test-c would be idea once you start. At 6ft you should gain more weight before thinking about using steroids. I think more protein and overall calories from fats/carbs is in order!
thanks

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[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie, I think you may I missed my question from the other day.

I am 5 weeks into a course of HGH which I intend to use for 6 months. I'm also taking steriods using the STS regime throughout this time. Because of the cost of HGH, I can only afford to take 4ius ed. Now I know from research that i'm not going to see massive gains from this dose, but just really wanted to see how I respond. I also know that it can take upto 3 months to start seeing results from HGH. My question is, if it takes 3 months to start seeing results and say I decide after 3 months I wasn't happy with my results, so I wanted to start taking more, then does this mean that I have to wait another 3 months to start seeing results of the increased dose? or will I see results sooner? and if so why?
Many thanks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, i think you may i missed my question from the other day.

I am 5 weeks into a course of hgh which i intend to use for 6 months. I'm also taking steriods using the sts regime throughout this time. Because of the cost of hgh, i can only afford to take 4ius ed. Now i know from research that i'm not going to see massive gains from this dose, but just really wanted to see how i respond. I also know that it can take upto 3 months to start seeing results from hgh. My question is, if it takes 3 months to start seeing results and say i decide after 3 months i wasn't happy with my results, so i wanted to start taking more, then does this mean that i have to wait another 3 months to start seeing results of the increased dose? yes! or will i see results sooner? And if so why?
Many thanks.

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[adlyn]

Hey Ron, previously you recommend me on a slingshot cycle. I've already plan to start around November but something come out on September. I need to undergo a training for work which gonna be physically demanding as in lots of cardio and strength training. Do you have any recommendation on what type of cycle I should go on before my slingshot cycle? I need something to help me alot on cardio and strength. I've been recommended by fellow forumer to cycle on, EQ, var and a little of test. What do you think about that? Do have any other recommendations?

Thanks in advance Ron.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron, previously you recommend me on a slingshot cycle. I've already plan to start around november but something come out on september. I need to undergo a training for work which gonna be physically demanding as in lots of cardio and strength training. Do you have any recommendation on what type of cycle i should go on before my slingshot cycle? I need something to help me alot on cardio and strength. I've been recommended by fellow forumer to cycle on, eq, var and a little of test. What do you think about that? Do have any other recommendations? winstrol tabs and a little test would be a good option. For improved endurance-clenbuterol can help improve cardio as well as eq and deca.
thanks in advance ron.

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[adlyn]

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Hey Ron, you mentioned to stack winstrol tabs with Clen for strength and endurance. What kind of dosage am I looking at? 2nd think is, can I use injectable winstrol? How's the dosage with clen? One more thing, I'm only going to cycle this about 8 to 10 week only. Then I'll stop for about a month or so, then I will start my slingshot cycle. Should I do pct before slingshot cycle?

Thanks in advance Ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron, you mentioned to stack winstrol tabs with clen for strength and endurance. What kind of dosage am i looking at? 50 mgs per day in tabs or 100 mgs per day in injectable form. 2nd think is, can i use injectable winstrol? yes at 100 mgs per day. how's the dosage with clen? start at 20 mgs per day and increase by 20 mgs every 2 weeks. Stop clen after 8 weeks of usage! one more thing, i'm only going to cycle this about 8 to 10 week only. Then i'll stop for about a month or so, then i will start my slingshot cycle. Should i do pct before slingshot cycle? if you are not going to bridge then you should pct.
thanks in advance ron

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[kilted911]

Just don't buy your juice online. I bought Anvar-10 online. Starting taking it, ate right, swam, and worked out like crazy. Lost some body fat, hardened what I had, and was happy. The thing is, the Anvar-10 had nothing to do with it. Looking at the (now empty) bottle, I typed in the ingredients online. The first ingredient is the chemical name for serotonin. That's an enzyme that is secreted by your gut to help in digestion. The second ingredient is the chemical name for a B-Vitamin. The third ingredient is the checmical name for another B-Vitamin. The next ingredient is rice flour.

Don't get your AS online. You'll get ripped off like me.

[Ronnie Rowland]

just don't buy your juice online. I bought anvar-10 online. Starting taking it, ate right, swam, and worked out like crazy. Lost some body fat, hardened what i had, and was happy. The thing is, the anvar-10 had nothing to do with it. Looking at the (now empty) bottle, i typed in the ingredients online. The first ingredient is the chemical name for serotonin. That's an enzyme that is secreted by your gut to help in digestion. The second ingredient is the chemical name for a b-vitamin. The third ingredient is the checmical name for another b-vitamin. The next ingredient is rice flour.

Don't get your as online. You'll get ripped off like me.

please do not post junk information in this thread!

[Old_usmcgrunt]

To Ronnie (or other forumers),

My plans have been thwarted. Not sure yet if it’s good or bad. I was just about to start (per Ronnie Rowland’s sling-shot program) an 8-week reload, 2-week deload using 500mgs of Test-E (already bought), when my physician decided to put me on Prop patches (5mgs/hr/day) changing out daily. I have to go back in 4 weeks for follow-up lab to see if my test, B-12, and D, levels are up within normal range, and then every 12 weeks thereafter.

For this initial 4 weeks I plan on doing just what the Doc said. However, after that I’d like to squeeze in an 8-9 week Test-E cycle on top of the daily patch followed by 2-3 weeks reload of the patch only before taking my next labs. My physician can NOT know about my extracurricular AS use! (Small town, family doctor, news speads fast)!

Other than low levels of test, B-12, and D, I’m a 49 y/o male in good shape actually! Started lifting 25+ yrs ago while in the Corps and have been doing so since. I walk and hike a lot for cardio.

Questions:
• Can Prop and E be used together?
o If so, how much E should I supplement to the Prop?
• Will 3 weeks off E before my labs show signs of my “supplemental” AS use?

Any constructive thoughts or concerns with this plan?

Thanks so much!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

[V8Assassin]

I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

Congrats to you and Kathy on your success both in the gym and out!!!