Im not sure whats going on here.
Anyone care to give me the scoop?
CHEMICALLY ENGINEERED
Im not sure whats going on here.
Anyone care to give me the scoop?
Anabolic Member
sorry swifto if im getting a little heated. the lies are incredible and bothersome.
Anabolic Member
Im going to post up some test results for the members to conclude for themselves. this test result is COC intact with no tampering. chain of custody for the lamens term
as taken from lakemound from bb.com
EPISTANE, the infamous/famous counter results! Chapter 1
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Before we post these counter results, I hope all parties understand that we had these 3rd party tests done in a professional manner and not meant to be an aggressive attack on any one of our competitors. Unfortunately, *** has been under attack for quite some time and due to our high regard for quality control and KNOWING the truth about the products we offer to the community, we have been forced to take great measures to assure our QC was accurate to be able to continue to supply Epistane to the public. In this process we have not only learned more about this product and our sourcing of this/all of our products, but we learned more than any party in the industry about the compound in question during this exploratory process. Now is the time to start breaking down the scientific data........ as promised the 3rd party results with COC in tact for Epistane competitor products.
Last edited by LuvMuhRoids; 04-20-2007 at 09:33 PM.
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as you can see all three compounds show to be underdosed when compared to the standard testosterone showing that the original testing done by this lab on epistane is a mistake. havocs actually comes out lower than epistane. obviously something is wrong.
yeah
Researcher the link is not allowed Please edit it out of your post....
If you want to post the lab results please copy and paste it do not post links to other sites....Thanks
Anabolic Member
per LakeMountD on bb.com
Epistane: The Test Results CHAPTER 2
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As promised, we are presenting the remaining portion of tests and data that we have collected in regards to our Epistane product and similar products currently being sold on the market. Since the chapter 1 thread got filled a ridiculously large amount of off-topic posts, we have a recap of the data gathered from previous result postings AS WELL AS new data not yet seen.
Our Initial 3rd Party Testing
It has been argued that we never actually did any tests on Epistane prior to the latest release of data posted in Chapter 1. We had a 3rd party test conducted by RTP labs on 03/19 on Epistane and one of our competitor products after a competitor tested Epistane and claimed he felt it was not consistent with the label. With these results which are shown below, you see the difference in Epistane and the product with 2 major peaks. Epistane tests with a MW of 270 (which we will show to be consistent with later tests) and the competitor product tests with 2 major peaks with MW of 286 and 288 as shown below:
The next results for the three products by RTP Labs was:
(Data posted in Chapter 1 Thread and a separate COC test on Epistane ordered by Mike McCandless)
Epistane - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.8mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
One major peak found with a MW of 270
Havoc - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.3mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
Two major peaks found with MW of 286 and 288
Hemaguno - Est. amount per capsule tested = 2.0mg
Amount on label = 12.5mg
Three major peaks were found with 2 compounds identified as Palmitic and Stearic Acid and one with a MW of 288.
Explanation: They are testing against testosterone, which is not the most accurate way to test the dose without a standard and could be the reason the numbers are coming out like this. Although, some were claiming Epistane to be an under-dosed product, it became evident that we were correct in assuming that the tests may have been skewed when comparing, with the same procedure, for other similar products. Amazingly the same people who argued that we had an under-dosed product quickly changed stances when the new data was available.
Furthermore, we were told by the analytical party, as well as what had been discussed at great length on several discussion boards, that there is a justification argument for a MW finding of 270 and an argument for 288 without a standard.
What happens next?
Well we obviously have a lot of data and major differences between Epistane and the similar products being sold on the market. This is when we had a Doctor of Forensic Toxicology begin testing a sample of Epistane and the competitor product with 2 major peaks to be able to tell us with 100% certainty that our product is, in fact, consistent with what is on the label.
Confirmation Test by Dr. Lykissa 4/10-4/12: Confirms Epistane is CONSISTENT WITH LABEL
Conclusion: Epistane tested out to be over 99% pure, properly dosed and CONSISTENT with label.
On a sidenote Some individuals have been bringing into question the voluntary replacement of a small batch of Epistane that was produced that was consistent with the product with 2 major peaks. One of these individuals actually called our capsulation company to try to verify this production during the date given. Although, I am sure the company was protecting our privacy and would not release this data to this random caller, it could also be that the order was overlooked because of the order being for bulk capsule and not individual bottling because it was such a small order. Here are the links to the packing invoice of the batch in question and a copy of the invoice to the distributor that was sold the majority of the bottles we had on hand. The funniest part is that this individual actually tried to intefere with the production of Epistane by telling the capsulation company about the product knowing the company doesn't carry the correct insurance to capsule this category of product. Well, good thing *** carries it's OWN product liability insurance so now there will be no delays for future capsulation/production of Epistane even after this last attempt for this individual to stop this product from going any further.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2950/sklabsvd2.jpg (sk labs picture)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7...ndsuppspx6.jpg
Final Comments We are not trying to bash anyone, but instead, prove that all of these accusations that have been made about us in the past are false and that this needs to stop. We had the other compounds tested against Epistane to see whether or not we had made a mistake in our in house testing, but this proves that we did not. Any further arguments made by ANYONE here against Epistane is pointless considering it will just show that they are looking for something to be wrong with Epistane and not taking any of the facts for what they are; accurate. *** has done more than prove the steps we have taken to assure Epistane is consistent with what is on the label and at this point the consumer knows what our product contains and they can either chose to buy our product or not. *** wants to openly apologize for subjecting the community to so much wasted time, arguing with such competitors and members that, we feel, had an agenda. At this point we have shown our data and we are moving on. Now we have a true standard to compare (also created by the Doctor) any and all future batches of Epistane will be tested for purity much easier. We hope the community has seen our efforts to assure the best quality in the products we supply. If you still can't decide which product to choose, let the logs speak for themselves.
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gotcha sorry will do HORSE. thanks for letting me knowOriginally Posted by HORSE
yeah
No problem trying to keep you out of trouble....Present your case just make sure you follow the rules while doing so.....
Dont forget to edit the link out of post #123....Thanks
Anabolic Member
and finally the conclusion from a forensic toxicologist with a big fat PH. D. that most likely is NOT wrong.
Anabolic Member
so not is it only 100% epistane it is what it is on the label and a very good product. Edited is the only company that created the epistane standard to compare the products to.
Last edited by LuvMuhRoids; 04-20-2007 at 09:54 PM.
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connors do you know what COC means? let me explain instead of you misleading the people here. Edited did not give there own product to a lab to be be tested like they handed to them right out the door. Every test you see is done by chain of custody directly by a 3rd part lab with no involvement of any parties what so freakin ever. Edited or any parties involved have not a clue where or how the lab obtained such products so they couldnt possibly tamper with it.
READ THE RULES
and you actually have council doing pro bono? where was council in court on monday? if you are so right and Edited is so wrong why not show up and prove it? Step up to the plate and be the man you say you are.
Anabolic Member
thank you HORSE for letting me post my rebuttle, hope didnt break any rules. feels good to be back on this board.
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What was your account name before?
yeah
Researcher
Thank you for your co-operation with the site rules....
I am glad that you posted your responce's here....I think that this threads need's oppinions and statements from both side so that members can better choose who to belive....
P.S. I honestly could care less who is right or who is wrong I have no intentions of useing either of yalls product's as of right now I just want the best for our members and this will be achived by letting them see both sides of the story....
Hopefully you,Anthony and everybody else can keep all your responces civil and to adhere to the no flame policy's of this board so that this thread can be kept open....
Last edited by HORSE~; 04-20-2007 at 10:08 PM.
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Hi BC missed talking to you. For some reason i can not log into my account. Im not sure why I have done nothing on this board and have been always respectul to the board and you. I do need to talk to you Brian it is very important and it concerns Anthony's law suit. Please pm me so it's off the board and I can tell you my screen name.
yeah
That is not BC....
Your PM function is not yet activated and will not be until you have reached 25 post....
Please start a thread in the one on one with the staff forum stateing your old user name so that we can try and help you regain accses to your old account....
Anabolic Member
oops! thought it was Brian. My bad. K goin to the one on one.
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I enabled your PMs. Check them.
Thanks
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thank you admin for resetting my password. for the members to know I am Researcher. Hello Anthony Connors...
Banned
havent seen u post here in....ages!
Anabolic Member
thank you UpstateTank! Pefectly explained! I didnt realize you had posted this on this thread. I am very happy the AR members are more informed of the situation than I was aware and you all have come to the most logical conclusion from the data gathered. Very very good.
Anabolic Member
uh yah he does have something to do with the roid store. Edited team of lawyers discovered some information that he does so dont let him lie to you anymore. in fact I'll make a phone call to my boss and find out exactly what his stake in that store exactly is. We have information to what he has stakes in and what companies.
Banned
wow so much info. but whats really in it?
AR Admin
Can we assume you have a direct involvement with I B E...
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I would like to see the proof on this if available please...
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lets see some proof
Banned
So with all these lab tests contradicting each other and each company condracting each other...WHAT CONCRETE EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT HAS TO DO WITH EPISTANE, whether the purity, the actual ingredient, or the harm?
Banned
Exactly. I think its safe to say that Epistane is a product no one should waste there time and money on
Writer
Firstly, the members here can believe whomever they wish. I posted lab tests which were not paid for by the company who produces the product in question, and were in***endantly obtained. I had nothing to do with them.
I have no idea why people think I am in some way making money from the *********. I'd love to see the proof of that.
As for me being sued, once again, I doubt it will amount to anything. I don't know what LMR is talking about with showing up to some court date somewhere or other. I was never issued a summons.
As I said though, Rick Collins seems to think that if the suit is pursued, it will likely result in the company in question facing criminal charges for a variety of different offences.
Again, the members here can decide whom to believe, but lab tests from an in***endant party versus those bought and paid for by the company in question seem to a lot more reliable and reputable.
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I second KBIZ...what is in it.....
the damn questions has been asked 20times.....can we get a answer already?
Banned
happiness and laughter
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since your being soo honest and upfront LMR with posting lab results .....why can u just say what's in it??
I truly believe this thread will be over when that question is answered.....
Associate Member
happiness and laughter
lol............
Writer
I'd love to see it too. Post it openly, in this thread. I think people should see this "proof".
Associate Member
lol yeah I think there "proof" went "POOF" lol
geez this is worse then a spanish soap opera.....
all we need is some one called fernando and maria...hahahaha
Writer
It's absurd. They claim that the they have a product 99%+ pure, yet nobody who does an in***endant test on the product can confirm it. Only them.
Yeah, okay.
Associate Member
yeah 99% pure but of what?
Banned- Scammer!
Seriously, you amaze me. Anything to do with you is a mystery. I wouldnt trust you if someone had to pay me. Nor do I believe these sopposed "tests" on Epistane as YOU posted them. Not to mention your feud with Edited.
You just deleted an entire page over at .Edited, where you got yourself caught lying again. You claimed "Teegun" (member here) used MyoGenX AFTER his full PCT and it worked and raised his natural testosterone levels. Only to be exposed by "**********" who posted "Teeguns" thread/post(s) which stated he used MyoGenX WITH his PCT. Another example.
The entire thread was how MyoGenX works so well alone and BW was posted to prove it.
I wasnt one for getting envolved about you and your difficulty to speak the truth. But its amazing hos my post(s) are a whole page have vanished over there. When you have the power to edit/delete etc...
Writer
As I recall, based on E-mails with TeeGunn, he had run an unsuccessful PCT prior to trying MyoGenX. Maybe I'm wrong in my reccolection, but that's exactly how I recall it, and it's how I posted it on that site.
I don't recall him saying "I didn't run a full PCT, then I was shocked to find my test levels were low Post-Cycle, and in lieu of running a normal PCT, I just did MyoGenX" Because if he had said something like that, I'd have told him to run a regular PCT with Myo.
Maybe I remember this incorrectly (it's been many months since that original thread and the one on the other site were both posted) but as I recall, from e-mails with TeeGunn (which you have no idea about) that's how he explained things to me.
If the thread over there is wrong, and teeGunn wants to drop me an e-mail saying so, then I'll amend it (or if he wants to post here that it's wrong, I'll also amend it).
It's not a big deal.
As far as what happens where, and whose posts are gone and this and that, I'll try not to be condescending, but suffice it to say you have almost no idea about what is going on, at all. You talk more than almost anyone I've ever seen who's got no clue about what is really going on.
Last edited by Property of Steroid.com; 04-23-2007 at 11:47 AM.
Banned- Scammer!
Ok Anthony.
We'll leave that you "forgot". It happens I guess...
It just seems strange. I dont know, maybe its me. You posted something thats wrong as you "forgot" and it vanishes off the face of the earth as it completely contradicted what your thread was about?
We'll conclude its your memory though, or lack of.
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