Epistane Product...less than 40% pure (Lab Tests)

[LuvMuhRoids]

Im going to post up some test results for the members to conclude for themselves. this test result is COC intact with no tampering. chain of custody for the lamens term

as taken from lakemound from bb.com

EPISTANE, the infamous/famous counter results! Chapter 1

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Before we post these counter results, I hope all parties understand that we had these 3rd party tests done in a professional manner and not meant to be an aggressive attack on any one of our competitors. Unfortunately, *** has been under attack for quite some time and due to our high regard for quality control and KNOWING the truth about the products we offer to the community, we have been forced to take great measures to assure our QC was accurate to be able to continue to supply Epistane to the public. In this process we have not only learned more about this product and our sourcing of this/all of our products, but we learned more than any party in the industry about the compound in question during this exploratory process. Now is the time to start breaking down the scientific data........ as promised the 3rd party results with COC in tact for Epistane competitor products.

[LuvMuhRoids]

as you can see all three compounds show to be underdosed when compared to the standard testosterone showing that the original testing done by this lab on epistane is a mistake. havocs actually comes out lower than epistane. obviously something is wrong.

[HORSE~]

Researcher the link is not allowed Please edit it out of your post....

If you want to post the lab results please copy and paste it do not post links to other sites....Thanks

[LuvMuhRoids]

gotcha sorry will do HORSE. thanks for letting me know

Researcher the link is not allowed Please edit it out of your post....

If you want to post the lab results please copy and paste it do not post links to other sites....Thanks

[HORSE~]

gotcha sorry will do HORSE. thanks for letting me know

No problem trying to keep you out of trouble....Present your case just make sure you follow the rules while doing so.....

Dont forget to edit the link out of post #123....Thanks

[LuvMuhRoids]

per LakeMountD on bb.com

Epistane: The Test Results CHAPTER 2

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As promised, we are presenting the remaining portion of tests and data that we have collected in regards to our Epistane product and similar products currently being sold on the market. Since the chapter 1 thread got filled a ridiculously large amount of off-topic posts, we have a recap of the data gathered from previous result postings AS WELL AS new data not yet seen.

Our Initial 3rd Party Testing
It has been argued that we never actually did any tests on Epistane prior to the latest release of data posted in Chapter 1. We had a 3rd party test conducted by RTP labs on 03/19 on Epistane and one of our competitor products after a competitor tested Epistane and claimed he felt it was not consistent with the label. With these results which are shown below, you see the difference in Epistane and the product with 2 major peaks. Epistane tests with a MW of 270 (which we will show to be consistent with later tests) and the competitor product tests with 2 major peaks with MW of 286 and 288 as shown below:



The next results for the three products by RTP Labs was:
(Data posted in Chapter 1 Thread and a separate COC test on Epistane ordered by Mike McCandless)

Epistane - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.8mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
One major peak found with a MW of 270

Havoc - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.3mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
Two major peaks found with MW of 286 and 288

Hemaguno - Est. amount per capsule tested = 2.0mg
Amount on label = 12.5mg
Three major peaks were found with 2 compounds identified as Palmitic and Stearic Acid and one with a MW of 288.

Explanation: They are testing against testosterone, which is not the most accurate way to test the dose without a standard and could be the reason the numbers are coming out like this. Although, some were claiming Epistane to be an under-dosed product, it became evident that we were correct in assuming that the tests may have been skewed when comparing, with the same procedure, for other similar products. Amazingly the same people who argued that we had an under-dosed product quickly changed stances when the new data was available.
Furthermore, we were told by the analytical party, as well as what had been discussed at great length on several discussion boards, that there is a justification argument for a MW finding of 270 and an argument for 288 without a standard.
What happens next?
Well we obviously have a lot of data and major differences between Epistane and the similar products being sold on the market. This is when we had a Doctor of Forensic Toxicology begin testing a sample of Epistane and the competitor product with 2 major peaks to be able to tell us with 100% certainty that our product is, in fact, consistent with what is on the label.




Confirmation Test by Dr. Lykissa 4/10-4/12: Confirms Epistane is CONSISTENT WITH LABEL


Conclusion: Epistane tested out to be over 99% pure, properly dosed and CONSISTENT with label.




On a sidenote Some individuals have been bringing into question the voluntary replacement of a small batch of Epistane that was produced that was consistent with the product with 2 major peaks. One of these individuals actually called our capsulation company to try to verify this production during the date given. Although, I am sure the company was protecting our privacy and would not release this data to this random caller, it could also be that the order was overlooked because of the order being for bulk capsule and not individual bottling because it was such a small order. Here are the links to the packing invoice of the batch in question and a copy of the invoice to the distributor that was sold the majority of the bottles we had on hand. The funniest part is that this individual actually tried to intefere with the production of Epistane by telling the capsulation company about the product knowing the company doesn't carry the correct insurance to capsule this category of product. Well, good thing *** carries it's OWN product liability insurance so now there will be no delays for future capsulation/production of Epistane even after this last attempt for this individual to stop this product from going any further.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2950/sklabsvd2.jpg (sk labs picture)
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Final Comments We are not trying to bash anyone, but instead, prove that all of these accusations that have been made about us in the past are false and that this needs to stop. We had the other compounds tested against Epistane to see whether or not we had made a mistake in our in house testing, but this proves that we did not. Any further arguments made by ANYONE here against Epistane is pointless considering it will just show that they are looking for something to be wrong with Epistane and not taking any of the facts for what they are; accurate. *** has done more than prove the steps we have taken to assure Epistane is consistent with what is on the label and at this point the consumer knows what our product contains and they can either chose to buy our product or not. *** wants to openly apologize for subjecting the community to so much wasted time, arguing with such competitors and members that, we feel, had an agenda. At this point we have shown our data and we are moving on. Now we have a true standard to compare (also created by the Doctor) any and all future batches of Epistane will be tested for purity much easier. We hope the community has seen our efforts to assure the best quality in the products we supply. If you still can't decide which product to choose, let the logs speak for themselves.

[LuvMuhRoids]

and finally the conclusion from a forensic toxicologist with a big fat PH. D. that most likely is NOT wrong.

[LuvMuhRoids]

so not is it only 100% epistane it is what it is on the label and a very good product. Edited is the only company that created the epistane standard to compare the products to.

[LuvMuhRoids]

thank you HORSE for letting me post my rebuttle, hope didnt break any rules. feels good to be back on this board.

[Information]

thank you HORSE for letting me post my rebuttle, hope didnt break any rules. feels good to be back on this board.

What was your account name before?

[LuvMuhRoids]

Hi BC missed talking to you. For some reason i can not log into my account. Im not sure why I have done nothing on this board and have been always respectul to the board and you. I do need to talk to you Brian it is very important and it concerns Anthony's law suit. Please pm me so it's off the board and I can tell you my screen name.

What was your account name before?

[HORSE~]

Hi BC missed talking to you. For some reason i can not log into my account. Im not sure why I have done nothing on this board and have been always respectul to the board and you. I do need to talk to you Brian it is very important and it concerns Anthony's law suit. Please pm me so it's off the board and I can tell you my screen name.

That is not BC....

Your PM function is not yet activated and will not be until you have reached 25 post....

Please start a thread in the one on one with the staff forum stateing your old user name so that we can try and help you regain accses to your old account....

[LuvMuhRoids]

oops! thought it was Brian. My bad. K goin to the one on one.

That is not BC....

Your PM function is not yet activated and will not be until you have reached 25 post....

Please start a thread in the one on one with the staff forum stateing your old user name so that we can try and help you regian accses to your old account....

[Information]

Hi BC missed talking to you. For some reason i can not log into my account. Im not sure why I have done nothing on this board and have been always respectul to the board and you. I do need to talk to you Brian it is very important and it concerns Anthony's law suit. Please pm me so it's off the board and I can tell you my screen name.

I enabled your PMs. Check them.

Thanks

[HORSE~]

Researcher

Thank you for your co-operation with the site rules....

I am glad that you posted your responce's here....I think that this threads need's oppinions and statements from both side so that members can better choose who to belive....

P.S. I honestly could care less who is right or who is wrong I have no intentions of useing either of yalls product's as of right now I just want the best for our members and this will be achived by letting them see both sides of the story....

Hopefully you,Anthony and everybody else can keep all your responces civil and to adhere to the no flame policy's of this board so that this thread can be kept open....

[LuvMuhRoids]

thank you admin for resetting my password. for the members to know I am Researcher. Hello Anthony Connors...

[UpstateTank]

havent seen u post here in....ages!

[K.Biz]

wow so much info. but whats really in it?

[*Admin*]

Can we assume you have a direct involvement with I B E...

[notorious_mem]

lets see some proof

[CoreyTampa09]

So with all these lab tests contradicting each other and each company condracting each other...WHAT CONCRETE EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT HAS TO DO WITH EPISTANE, whether the purity, the actual ingredient, or the harm?

[K.Biz]

So with all these lab tests contradicting each other and each company condracting each other...WHAT CONCRETE EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT HAS TO DO WITH EPISTANE, whether the purity, the actual ingredient, or the harm?

Exactly. I think its safe to say that Epistane is a product no one should waste there time and money on

[Property of Steroid.com]

Firstly, the members here can believe whomever they wish. I posted lab tests which were not paid for by the company who produces the product in question, and were in***endantly obtained. I had nothing to do with them.

I have no idea why people think I am in some way making money from the *********. I'd love to see the proof of that.

As for me being sued, once again, I doubt it will amount to anything. I don't know what LMR is talking about with showing up to some court date somewhere or other. I was never issued a summons.

As I said though, Rick Collins seems to think that if the suit is pursued, it will likely result in the company in question facing criminal charges for a variety of different offences.

Again, the members here can decide whom to believe, but lab tests from an in***endant party versus those bought and paid for by the company in question seem to a lot more reliable and reputable.

[boostedevo8]

I second KBIZ...what is in it.....

the damn questions has been asked 20times.....can we get a answer already?

[UpstateTank]

I second KBIZ...what is in it.....

the damn questions has been asked 20times.....can we get a answer already?

happiness and laughter

[boostedevo8]

happiness and laughter

lol............

[boostedevo8]

since your being soo honest and upfront LMR with posting lab results .....why can u just say what's in it??

I truly believe this thread will be over when that question is answered.....

[Property of Steroid.com]

Exactly. I asked for similar proof in a thread on BB.com and that was the last we heard of LMR over there.

Honestly, this industry is absurd, and the thing is, the normal people (the consumer) only gets part of the story from some of the people, then has to make decisions based on that. Mods/Vets/Etc...often get a little more information but it's still not real industry information, it's just about very minor players.

I try to give as much information to you guys as possible, but I simply can't give you all of the information about a given subject, because often it will compromise my ability to get similar information in the future.

As for deleting posts, controlling the flow of information, etc...that's done on every site on the internet. Just think about how many things we can't talk about here. Threads about one sponsor in particular are not allowed, talking about past sponsors is not allowed, there is no scammer list, etc...

I mean c'mon. If you're going to say that my uniform is somehow dirty, look at the playing field. I'm doing my best here...but if you play in the mud, you get dirty....even if you're playing a clean game.

[boostedevo8]

Just think about how many things we can't talk about here. Threads about one sponsor in particular are not allowed, talking about past sponsors is not allowed, there is no scammer list, etc...

I mean c'mon. If you're going to say that my uniform is somehow dirty, look at the playing field. I'm doing my best here...but if you play in the mud, you get dirty....even if you're playing a clean game.

amen to that

[Adam F]

Dont care about the rid store, but i wonder about the no scammer list. Should be a sticky here

[boostedevo8]

so quick people are to defend epistane with other lab results out of the blue but no one has yest to come up with a answer telling us what's in it.......hmmmm

why don't you help "us" the consumer in making our decision if epistane is right for us.....post what's in it and well be able to decide rather then reading all this BS back and forth about lawsuits and "POOF" I mean proof ....sorry.........

but till then its just a bunch of bunk with a lot of advertising......

I have nothing agaisnt Edited ......but I do about their people not giving a straight answer ......and that's from a "CONSUMER"

[boostedevo8]

Edited. Please keep this type of post in the lounge.

Admins

[Snrf]

So what happened to the Roid Store proof?

[boostedevo8]

So what happened to the Roid Store proof?

we bilingualy came to the conclusion that it went "POOF"


haha

[Property of Steroid.com]

So what happened to the Roid Store proof?

What happens every time I ask for proof.....

[Swifto]

Your opening thread over at EF:

I'm attaching both sets of bloodwork from a member of steroid.com (Teegun) who had his bloodwork taken immediately post cycle (it was 31! SUPER LOW!)...and while on MyoGenX. At the point his second set of bloodwork was taken he was on MyoGenX alone, and his testosterone at that point was 290, which is low-normal.

Your above post contradicts what Teegun posted:

12-17-2006, 03:04 AM
Teegunn
Associate Member Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 445


Please get those exact numbers for the second test the doc said was "high".

I, too, have had a similar experience with SD. I had very low test levels (~90) so I have been using Myogenx along with a PCT protocol. No question the Myo is doing something positive. I'll know more in a few weeks when I get my bloodwork done again, but I can guarantee that my test levels have skyrocketed just based on how I feel and how much my balls have filled out.

So you wernt lying, you were confused, didnt check you references and forgot due to temporary amnesia. In that case. I'm sorry for accusing you of lying and retract my statement. Hows that?

[Property of Steroid.com]

Your opening thread over at EF:

I'm attaching *oth sets of *loodwork from a mem*er of steroid.com (Teegun) who had his *loodwork taken immediately post cycle (it was 31! SUPER LOW!)...and while on MyoGenX. At the point his second set of *loodwork was taken he was on MyoGenX alone, and his testosterone at that point was 290, which is low-normal.

Your a*ove post contradicts what Teegun posted:

12-17-2006, 03:04 AM
Teegunn
Associate Mem*er Join Date: Fe* 2005
Posts: 445


Please get those exact num*ers for the second test the doc said was "high".

I, too, have had a similar experience with SD. I had very low test levels (~90) so I have *een using Myogenx along with a PCT protocol. No question the Myo is doing something positive. I'll know more in a few weeks when I get my *loodwork done again, *ut I can guarantee that my test levels have skyrocketed just *ased on how I feel and how much my *alls have filled out.

So you wernt lying, you were confused, didnt check you references and forgot due to temporary amnesia. In that case.[*]I'm sorry[/*] for accusing you of lying and retract my statement. Hows that?

It doesn't contradict it. It's exactly as it appears in the thread I took it from. It contradicts something in another thread, which is to say, the mem*er appears to have contradicted himself, or didn't relate the full story in the thread I *ased my post on. He said he ran an unsuccessful PCT, then tried MyoGenX. In the thread I quoted, I related events as they were related *y him. It never says (in that thread) that he ran Myo + PCT...it just says he did the Myo.

I related events as they were in the thread I got my info from. Period.

[Swifto]

I have a question regarding "The Roid Store" and you Anthony.

Why does:

Anabolic Research
2212 I-45N #69
Conroe, TX 77301
**Dynamic Sports Nutrition will appear on your credit card statement**

Apear on your credit card statement if you purchase from "The Roid Store", here at AR, over at EF and if you purchase your and brains book "Anabolic Steroids". The same, "Dynamic Sports Nutrition" appears every time. Isnt that strange seeing as some are accusing you to have some involvment in "The Roid Store"...? Again, just a question.

Edit: Took out brians name as he wasnt accused, by whoever, Anthony is. Mistake on my part.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I have a question regarding "The Roid Store" and you Anthony.

Why does:

Ana*olic Research
2212 I-45N #69
Conroe, TX 77301
**Dynamic Sports Nutrition will appear on your credit card statement**

Apear on your credit card statement if you purchase from "The Roid Store", here at AR, over at EF and if you purchase your and *rains *ook "Ana*olic Steroids". The same, "Dynamic Sports Nutrition" appears every time. Isnt that strange seeing as some are accusing you to have some involvment in "The Roid Store"...? Again, just a question.

Edit: Took out *rians name as he wasnt accused, *y whoever, Anthony is. Mistake on my part.

Where is your question? I see a bunch of statements and a rhetorical question. What are you asking me, exactly?

Why does that appear on your credit card statement? Because that's where you're buying it from.

When you buy something from BB.com (for example, AMP from ErgoPharm), Bodybuilding.com appears on your credit card statement. When you buy my product, MyoGenX, it also appears on your statement.

Does that mean that I am involved with ErgoPharm?

When you purchase my book from Amazon.com, that's what appears on your credit card statement. When you buy the Davinci Code from Amazon.com, the same place appears on your statement. Am I also profting from the Da Vinci code? Or is the same place simply carrying my products as carries other products?

C'mon now....use your head.

[Swifto]

Where is your question? I see a bunch of statements and a rhetorical question. What are you asking me, exactly?

Why does that appear on your credit card statement? Because that's where you're buying it from.

When you buy something from BB.com (for example, AMP from ErgoPharm), Bodybuilding.com appears on your credit card statement. When you buy my product, MyoGenX, it also appears on your statement.

Does that mean that I am involved with ErgoPharm?

When you purchase my book from Amazon.com, that's what appears on your credit card statement. When you buy the Davinci Code from Amazon.com, the same place appears on your statement. Am I also profting from the Da Vinci code? Or is the same place simply carrying my products as carries other products?

C'mon now....use your head.

No...

Even if you purchase from The Roid Store at EF, here etc...The same "Dynamic Sports..." appears on their statement.

Anyone wishes to know more....PM me. I'm not openly posting it.