obama: what a joke

[Carlos_E]

Hence why I said "presidential aspirations". Reading is FUNdamental

Have you read his books? He had no intentions of running for president when he gave 6%. So no, he did not have presidential aspirations. Since you're fond of reading you should pick up a copy.

[Act of God]

Have you read his books? He had no intentions of running for president when he gave 6%. So no, he did not have presidential aspirations. Since you're fond of reading you should pick up a copy.

I'm too busy reading Coulter and I'm not a fan of writers who titled their books after the ramblings of racist preachers.

[Carlos_E]

I'm too busy reading Coulter and I'm not a fan of writers who titled their books after the ramblings of racist preachers.

So predictable.

You should try Dreams from My Father, the other book.

[zartan]

mr Wright and his kind are 40 years outdated, preaching about how we had it coming 5 days after 9/11 happened. What a hateful bastard, and you Obama defenders can say what you will/bury your head in the sand, but Obama had this hate monger act has his preacher for 20 years even marrying him, and that speaks volumes, whether you want to admit it or not. And I don't even care if you or anyone else wants to take this 'look after my own' attitude, if some average joe wants to cop it thats fine, but I do think its small minded bullshit and certainly if you've been part of that you shouldn't be in line for a presidency.

[gstatefaith]

Conservatives had 8 years in the White House and destroyed our reputation and economy. It's the Democrats turn. Stop B!tching. You guys failed. OBAMA will turn this ship around.

[zartan]

Conservatives had 8 years in the White House and destroyed our reputation and economy. It's the Democrats turn. Stop B!tching. You guys failed. OBAMA will turn this ship around.

Read the thread instead of posting mindless garbage.

[gstatefaith]

Read the thread jerkoff.

the title was enough

so if u think I , you can

[SMCengineer]

Conservatives had 8 years in the White House and destroyed our reputation and economy. It's the Democrats turn. Stop B!tching. You guys failed. OBAMA will turn this ship around.

There are no conservatives in the White House.

[thegodfather]

Conservatives had 8 years in the White House and destroyed our reputation and economy. It's the Democrats turn. Stop B!tching. You guys failed. OBAMA will turn this ship around.

Thank you for an intelligent response to the discourse that was going on. You have really contributed greatly to the thread and articulated your ideas so clearly with documented facts to back them up I cant help but agree with you. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

As Blome said...There were no conservatives in the White House for the passed 8 years. Only neo-conservatives, who are not conservatives at all.

[zartan]

you read the thread title, congratz on interjecting mindless propaganda

[Carlos_E]

You guys are hilarious. Conservatives, neo-conservatives. Whatever. When they have piss poor performance you try and distance yourself by giving them a new label.

[SMCengineer]

You guys are hilarious. Conservatives, neo-conservatives. Whatever. When they have piss poor performance you try and distance yourself by giving them a new label.

Explain to me how Bush is a conservative.

[Act of God]

Explain to me how Bush is a conservative.

I suspect his answer will be something like "uhhh he's a Republican and a Christian"

[SMCengineer]

^^on, but no tren

[AandF6969]

The constitution is my concealed carry permit.

[lotaquestions]

obviously we percieve things in a different way. unlike you, i dont see where the black race has to overcome adversity any more than the white race. what do blacks have to overcome that everyone else doesnt. give me a law that applies to blacks that doesnt apply to every other american? we all have to overcome adversity in some form to be successful.

im not blaming anyone for my shortcomings. im 22 y/o, come from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere, and earn in the top 1% of my county, with no college education. i dont know where this conversation turned but i dont even remeber what we were originally talking about, my last three post have all been personal.

[BgMc31]

obviously we percieve things in a different way. unlike you, i dont see where the black race has to overcome adversity any more than the white race. what do blacks have to overcome that everyone else doesnt. give me a law that applies to blacks that doesnt apply to every other american? we all have to overcome adversity in some form to be successful.

im not blaming anyone for my shortcomings. im 22 y/o, come from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere, and earn in the top 1% of my county, with no college education. i dont know where this conversation turned but i dont even remeber what we were originally talking about, my last three post have all been personal.

And therein lies the problem. Of course you can't see what a black person has to overcome because you aren't black just like I'm insensitive to the perspective of a white man (you) who complains about minority 'special' treatment because I don't see it. We see this great country through different lenses but it doesn't mean we love it more or less than the other. Its debates like this that can open people's eyes and maybe one day this can all be resolved. The problem is politicians and the media only talk at one side which polarizes people. Libs listen to their shows and conservatives listen to theirs. Same with blacks and whites. But that is another reason why I'm supporting Obama. Good or bad, he's someone who is finally forcing us to face the problem of race in this country. Everybody always says that this race issue keeps us from facing 'real' issues that need to be dealt with. But race is such a fundamental issue in this country that has never really been faced before...and now its unavoidable!

[zartan]

And therein lies the problem. Of course you can't see what a black person has to overcome because you aren't black just like I'm insensitive to the perspective of a white man (you) who complains about minority 'special' treatment because I don't see it. We see this great country through different lenses but it doesn't mean we love it more or less than the other. Its debates like this that can open people's eyes and maybe one day this can all be resolved. The problem is politicians and the media only talk at one side which polarizes people. Libs listen to their shows and conservatives listen to theirs. Same with blacks and whites. But that is another reason why I'm supporting Obama. Good or bad, he's someone who is finally forcing us to face the problem of race in this country. Everybody always says that this race issue keeps us from facing 'real' issues that need to be dealt with. But race is such a fundamental issue in this country that has never really been faced before...and now its unavoidable!

Good to see your voting for a president based on race. What exactly would you hope to see accomplished by the fact the president is half black? IF anything it should show all the nay sayers that America is pretty advanced in terms of race when we are willing to give the highest office in the land to a man percieved as a member of a 12% minority!

[BgMc31]

Good to see your voting for a president based on race. What exactly would you hope to see accomplished by the fact the president is half black? IF anything it should show all the nay sayers that America is pretty advanced in terms of race when we are willing to give the highest office in the land to a man percieved as a member of a 12% minority!

I'm not voting for him simply because of the race issue. If you read my previous posts you will see there are a litany of other reasons as well. Plus you last statement is true, if elected it not only shows the world how far we progressed but it also shows ourselves that skin color is just that...skin color.

[zartan]

I'm not voting for him simply because of the race issue. If you read my previous posts you will see there are a litany of other reasons as well. Plus you last statement is true, if elected it not only shows the world how far we progressed but it also shows ourselves that skin color is just that...skin color.

Obama making it this far in the election is proof of that already. Not to say you aren't doing this, but people should be focused on the issues, not voting for Obama because hes black or to prove a point. That is ass backwards racism... Its like the black student saying to the black professor, 'cmon man hook me up, we are brothas'! I don't think theres any white groups of people meeting up saying 'cmon fellas we gotta make a plan to git these blacks and asians down! But there are groups of black people doin it and publicly and in churches with people like Wright preaching intolerance rather then respect and overcoming adversity through persistence.

[AandF6969]

Good to see your voting for a president based on race.

Yeah... um isn't that racist?

[BgMc31]

Oh the wisdom of Peter Griffin. Funny yet oh so true when speaking of middle eastern Jews. But most Jews live in Russia (the original Caucasians).

[AandF6969]

I'm just curious how a test can be racist... obviously intelligent, well educated people are going to write the tests... should they just dumb it down to a 6th grade level? Or lower everyone's standards?

[zartan]

I'm just curious how a test can be racist... obviously intelligent, well educated people are going to write the tests... should they just dumb it down to a 6th grade level? Or lower everyone's standards?

Exactly.. and why are Asians and Jews always smashing everyone? Are there a lot of questions about how to boil white rice or how many days in Hanukkah or something?? That whole argument is a cop out, the test is about discipline and values. If you want to say that people that come from lower class don't do well because they don't come from proper homes giving them discipline/encouragement to do well (AKA THEY DIDNT STUDY), would be a lot more accurate. Also that research is outdated, they changed the 'socioeconomic questions' now supposedly.

[thegodfather]

I'm just curious how a test can be racist... obviously intelligent, well educated people are going to write the tests... should they just dumb it down to a 6th grade level? Or lower everyone's standards?

Its not about intelligence but rather the life experiences that one is exposed to due to their socioeconomic background.

[BgMc31]

Godfather, great posts, but you are wasting your time trying to explain this to some people. I know you explained it in a previous thread but the same arguments kept coming up. They don't realize that Jews and Asians do generally come from higher socioeconomic areas than blacks, hispanics, and rural whites.

I tried explaining the concept to co-worker and I explained it like this: Could an upper middle class person from Manhattan pass a standardized test developed and administered by someone from an indigenous population in Brazil? No, it doesn't mean that person lacks intelligence but rather that person cannot relate to the experiences necessary to answer those questions correctly. I know that example is a bit extreme but the same does apply when dealing with lower socioeconomic standings of groups.

But again, we will continue to hear the argument that we shouldn't dumb down testing. They just do get it!

[zartan]

Godfather, great posts, but you are wasting your time trying to explain this to some people. I know you explained it in a previous thread but the same arguments kept coming up. They don't realize that Jews and Asians do generally come from higher socioeconomic areas than blacks, hispanics, and rural whites.

I tried explaining the concept to co-worker and I explained it like this: Could an upper middle class person from Manhattan pass a standardized test developed and administered by someone from an indigenous population in Brazil? No, it doesn't mean that person lacks intelligence but rather that person cannot relate to the experiences necessary to answer those questions correctly. I know that example is a bit extreme but the same does apply when dealing with lower socioeconomic standings of groups.

But again, we will continue to hear the argument that we shouldn't dumb down testing. They just do get it!

Yes I do 'get it' and I'm saying its a moot point. If you want to be relevant in modern work force, you need to be able to integrate and have applicable skills.

[BgMc31]

Yes I do 'get it' and I'm saying its a moot point. If you want to be relevant in modern work force, you need to be able to integrate and have applicable skills.

True but what if you don't have the resources to obtain those 'applicable' skills? That's the issue.

[zartan]

If I really wanted to be a dick I would direct you to IQ tests that accepted people only from middle class backgrounds. Thats pointless, intelligence is negligible when an average intelligence person can go farther than an intelligent person by being more disciplined.