Chinese HGH concerns

[matt77]

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/growth-hormone

Heres an article on GH testing from webmd that talks about testing for GH. It does say the test is directly for GH and not IGF so it should tell if your willing to inject. Also the lab I linked above that does GH testing has a 24hr urine GH test that will give you a reading for every hour over the course of a day. Im sure one could tell how good there GH is with this test but it is kinda high $200.

Another thing I thought about is if someone could find out how they test for GH in blood or urine they could test the GH directly if they had the skill and access to the proper equipment. Surely someone has an awesome science lab at there university they have access to play in

[fossilfuel7]

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/growth-hormone

Heres an article on GH testing from webmd that talks about testing for GH. It does say the test is directly for GH and not IGF so it should tell if your willing to inject. Also the lab I linked above that does GH testing has a 24hr urine GH test that will give you a reading for every hour over the course of a day. Im sure one could tell how good there GH is with this test but it is kinda high $200.

Another thing I thought about is if someone could find out how they test for GH in blood or urine they could test the GH directly if they had the skill and access to the proper equipment. Surely someone has an awesome science lab at there university they have access to play in

Matt, I had the urinary GH test done by AAL reference labs. My Doc always uses them and says that is an excellent indication of the amount of GH in your system. I even injected 10 iu before my first collection.

[matt77]

Matt, I had the urinary GH test done by AAL reference labs. My Doc always uses them and says that is an excellent indication of the amount of GH in your system. I even injected 10 iu before my first collection.

Good, well I guess that means we know for sure it works detecting fake GH. If I had the cash I'd order a kit from every supplier I know of and go get tested after trying every vial but even then we wouldn't know if all vials are good or if they send good and bad sometimes.

[marcus300]

http://estore.websitepros.com/1791782/Detail.bok?no=33

[Xtralarg]

This lab will test yout hgh

www.arlok.com

[Hazard]

This lab will test yout hgh

www.arlok.com

I just requested a quote from them.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

awwww man..... i'm all depressed now...... i'll fly to china and hang the fvckers......

All I can say about mine..... is it's cheap (-1) - I was initially a little bloated but that disappeared fast..... I had tingly hands and fingers for over a month..... I had carpal tunnel for about 2 months..... and now it doesn't feel like anything is wrong. My HGH is a little powder cake..... the vial has a good vacuum..... and it doesn't all dissolve right away - it's gotta be gently swirled.

I have an order comming in too damnit..... I guess i'll keep running what I have and once we find a lab that we can send our vials too.... i'll get it tested.....

My father had another blood test done last week..... his IGF results should be in today or tomorrow.....

~Haz~

[marcus300]

Home testing kits http://estore.websitepros.com/1791782/Detail.bok?no=33

[Spartans09]

Haz-

I wonder if they would give a group rate if it comes back pricey? I have to believe there is at least 20 of us who would jump on right away. We could have many suppliers pegged for legit or shyt product in a matter of weeks. At least keep these cvnts somewhat honest.

[russiandave]

Guys remember two things before writing off all the sources. U can test to see if it is hcg and at least from my source igf is more expensive than hgh so I don't see why they would make that switch.

Just food for thought

[spicyer]

Awesome all the time and passion that has been invested in this thread. Im not sure if I should laugh or cry, I feel like the kid who loved cheerios until someone pissed in them. I'm going to try my sympathetic doctor again. There is nothing he can say or do to me that is worse than me not knowing if my hgh is the real deal. One thing I will say though is if it isn't then I got my shit going on for a 48year old. Last thought, what could the chinese be putting in my hgh that would make my nails grow 1/8" or more per week?

[marcus300]

Awesome all the time and passion that has been invested in this thread. Im not sure if I should laugh or cry, I feel like the kid who loved cheerios until someone pissed in them. I'm going to try my sympathetic doctor again. There is nothing he can say or do to me that is worse than me not knowing if my hgh is the real deal. One thing I will say though is if it isn't then I got my shit going on for a 48year old. Last thought, what could the chinese be putting in my hgh that would make my nails grow 1/8" or more per week?

I am sure not everything coming out of China is fake, surely it cant be but I we have to remember who we are dealing with here, the only way to make sure your gh is gh is to get it tested at a lab.

[NotSmall]

Well my doc is supposed to be calling me today and I'm going to ask him for a bloodtest - trouble is I've stopped shooting the riptropin as I am not overly keen to keep injecting myself with this chinese unknown substance - if I book a blood test for one day next week how many days before do I need to be injecting in order to affect the test in a noticeable way?

[TheCamel]

Well my doc is supposed to be calling me today and I'm going to ask him for a bloodtest - trouble is I've stopped shooting the riptropin as I am not overly keen to keep injecting myself with this chinese unknown substance - if I book a blood test for one day next week how many days before do I need to be injecting in order to affect the test in a noticeable way?

1 hour if IM.
3 hours if sub-Q.

[NotSmall]

Just spoke to my GP on the phone and he says he hasn't got access to tests for IGF-1 or somatropin - in fact he didn't even know what they were!

[Matt]

Just spoke to my GP on the phone and he says he hasn't got access to tests for IGF-1 or somatropin - in fact he didn't even know what they were!

Same here, i asked my doctor this morning and she had no idea what i was talking about..

Even worse i should have started trt on Monday, my doctor wouldnt start me on it until she had spoken to the senior doctor as she had no clue as to how one would be prescribe testosterone.. The senior doctor who had been at the clinic for 25 years said that he had never known anyone run trt so they've made me an appointment with an endo..

[NotSmall]

Same here, i asked my doctor this morning and she had no idea what i was talking about..

Even worse i should have started trt on Monday, my doctor wouldnt start me on it until she had spoken to the senior doctor as she had no clue as to how one would be prescribe testosterone.. The senior doctor who had been at the clinic for 25 years said that he had never known anyone run trt so they've made me an appointment with an endo..

Yeah my Doc has at least now phoned me back and told me a local private clinic that will do it, he reckons it will cost around £100 - I will report back when I have spoken to them...

[Fantomg]

I appreciate your persistence Marcus300. And you've thrown a good point in regarding IGF-1 Testing at the lab. "They can use IGF-1 in place of HGH". Now what?! Thought I had the conclusive test locally. They have "Lab Express" all over my area and test for IGF-1 for cheap. My circles have always tested their IGF-1 for their proof of efficacy. I will say that the tests with the yellow tops out of china (IGF-1) as of lately have been high with as little as 2iu/day (near 400 from one friend). But NOW that you've brought the point up about these guys putting IGF-1 in the bottles. Shite! Back to the drawing board.
I have called 13 of the 16 labs across the U.S. I've googled and asked about directly testing my HGH (the bottle). None so far do this and couldn't even point me to a lab that does. It had nothing to do with the legalities of testing, they just didn't do this or know someone that did.

So... (this thread is one of the best I've read) - I'm late for work, but will start on a new endeavor when I return. I will start by calling "Lab Express" and seeing if they offer an actual HGH test (not IGF-1) and can shed light on testing for Somatotropin levels. They test so many of us out here and even have started advertising about their Testosterone and IGF-1 tests. They obviously know what we're up to and have enough people coming in for this.
I will try to post my findings here in this thread this eve or tomorrow morn. There are enough here that I am sure someone's going to come up with a good definitive method for testing for efficacy/authenticity. "Not Small" - I have gone through EXACTLY what you've done, ie; getting up in the A.M. looking at the abs, going back n forth and back n forth regarding "is it the HGH?!" or...?? However - I just started my 40's, and have gone from 260ish to 235-240 in the past several months on yellow tops with the diet staying the same. Gear isn't a factor, I know what I get from anything I take steroidwise. I'm looking like about "10-12 weeks out" at 235-240. What other substance would do this?!
(Sides were immediate water in the first month - gone after about 6 weeks. Right hand knuckles hurting badly every morning and complete loss of limbs ((numbness)) almost every morn since about 6 weeks. Much deeper sleep now. I've always had a sleep problem and now I sleep like a baby. THEN - big weight drop after about 2 1/2 months from 260 down to 235-240 which has leveled off now. I fluctuate between 235ish and close to 240 each week now and have been on the Chinese yellow tops for, damn - should have took more notice, but I'd have to say 5 1/2 months closest guess. 4 iu m-f.
Hope this helps a little
Again - I will call the lab or 2 here that test and post what they say about testing DIRECTLY for hgh levels and mention Somototropin testing to them.
Thanks guys for being so diligent on this topic. We may find the answer conclusively, who knows.

[Fantomg]

I will also google the hell out of labs that may test actual substances. This will be a longer process I'm sure. I should post which I've called/emailed as to eliminate any duplicate efforts others may be embarking on themselves. I haven't had any sort of luck finding U.S. lab(s) that test.

Marcus300 - I thought it may be easier for you to find cooperative labs since geographically you live where the laws seem to be much less strict.?? (I am speaking about testing actual substances not bloodwork). I imagine that when/if I DO find a lab that does this, they may not do this due to the laws here)

[Xtralarg]

This lab is based in the Uk but to my understanding they will ship worldwide.

They will do HGH tests, IgF-1 tests etc.

http://www.medichecks.com/index.cfm?...FQIB4wodqkAAxg

[Matt]

This lab is based in the Uk but to my understanding they will ship worldwide.

They will do HGH tests, IgF-1 tests etc.

http://www.medichecks.com/index.cfm?...FQIB4wodqkAAxg

I notice they have labs in London and Manchester and you can make an appointment, i will be doing this tomorrow...

[Fantomg]

I notice they have labs in London and Manchester and you can make an appointment, i will be doing this tomorrow...

Will you be testing for IGF-1? I ask this because Marcus300 mentioned that hgh may be counterfeited with IGF-1. This has raised concerns with myself and my lab work (igf-1 levels). I am asking my lab if they have a somatotropin test or one that specically measures growth hormone levels rather than IGF-1 which is just an indicator.

[P3rf3ctionist]

My source is one of the most well known sources throughout a region and has a client base of 50+ gyms within my region and has been in the 'game' for almost 10 years and I have 100% trust in what he says, and he has given his gurantee that the Chinese HGH stuff he has is legitimate and I so far and everybody I know who have used his stuff have no reason to complain.

He deals in mainly in two brands, both of which are Chinese generic HGH, ********** and GTropin. I have been on Gtropin for the past 7 weeks now and have deffinately seen visible results at 4IU's and have most of the text book symptoms of exogenous use of HGH. Here are some of the pictures of the stuff I have.

This is the brand i'm currently using and I have been impressed so far, I have 800ius of this stuff left:





********** (Haven't started it yet but have 1400IU's of this)

[fossilfuel7]

That G-tropin is definitely real.

[booste]

My source is one of the most well known sources throughout a region and has a client base of 50+ gyms within my region and has been in the 'game' for almost 10 years and I have 100% trust in what he says, and he has given his gurantee that the Chinese HGH stuff he has is legitimate and I so far and everybody I know who have used his stuff have no reason to complain.

He deals in mainly in two brands, both of which are Chinese generic HGH, ********** and GTropin. I have been on Gtropin for the past 7 weeks now and have deffinately seen visible results at 4IU's and have most of the text book symptoms of exogenous use of HGH. Here are some of the pictures of the stuff I have.

This is the brand i'm currently using and I have been impressed so far, I have 800ius of this stuff left:





********** (Haven't started it yet but have 1400IU's of this)

Ok guys, first of all I'm new here, not new to AAS though. I came accross this thread and decided to jump ship from another forum. I have been running the Hyge blue top pinwheels for about 4 months, same EXACT ones as these photos. My exp dates are sept. 2010 though. This is my first run on growth I started @ 2iu ed for abt 6wks then went to 4ui ed. Im still running 4iu and I have just started to notice some serious fatloss, especially where I have been pinning near the bellybutton. I am not currently on any AAS just growth. I will be starting test/var next week.
This stuff has to be working at least 20 people have given me compliments on how "lean" I look. My hands are so tight sometimes I can't make a fist, and both hands go completely numb sometimes. I read every post in this thread and I am still concerned abt the quality of the stuff I'm injecting into my body.
I think everyone who is doubtful abt thier growth should do the pregnancy test to rule out having HCG, Im going to do it this weekend just to be safe. I now want to get an IGf-1 test as well. I'm reading all these bad things abt HYGES but it seems to be working good for me, at least I think it is.

I want to buy a few more kits but not sure now because of reading all this, I don't want to get burned. Anyone else have good results on Hyges?

[blackbird]

If i can chime in here.I have noticed my hair and nails grow way faster when taking GH
Wouldnt that indicate it has to be real?

[Xtralarg]

The HGH test is the one to go for.

[Fantomg]

The HGH test is the one to go for.

I just got off a 25 minute phone call with LAB EXPRESS. Couldn’t get the tech on the phone but did talk to a lady in management who claimed to be well versed regarding their services.

This is what they were able to explain to me.

They do not have a Somatotropin or Somatropin test. She has never heard of that.
They do have:

HGH Test $98.00
IGF-1 Test $108.00
IGF-2 Test $230.00
IGF Binding Protein 3 Test $125.00

She added that there were ranges given on her “sheet” only for:
IGF Binding Protein 1 Ranges (18-50yrs old) = 13-73
IGF Binding Protein 2 Ranges (18-50yrs old) 50-240

And there is a Growth Hormone Response (TIME SAMPLE) Test and said that it showed 2 result columns labeled GH1 & GH2. She said this was just added to their services and she did not have pricing yet.

She could not elaborate past anything I have posted here. I must have burned her ear off with questions. She was more than happy to answer what she could but said my questions would be best directed to the lab technician. I got his voice mail and will attempt another call before leaving a message. I did explain to her that I was after the most accurate test indicating how much exogenous growth hormone was in my blood and had heard that there are more specific tests than the IGF-1 test.

OK – Anyone care to take a stab at this? Interpretations welcome. Which is THE test? (Xtralarg, are you talking about the 1st test?)

[rmacgurn]

I just got off a 25 minute phone call with LAB EXPRESS. Couldn’t get the tech on the phone but did talk to a lady in management who claimed to be well versed regarding their services.

This is what they were able to explain to me.

They do not have a Somatotropin or Somatropin test. She has never heard of that.
They do have:

HGH Test $98.00
IGF-1 Test $108.00
IGF-2 Test $230.00
IGF Binding Protein 3 Test $125.00

She added that there were ranges given on her “sheet” only for:
IGF Binding Protein 1 Ranges (18-50yrs old) = 13-73
IGF Binding Protein 2 Ranges (18-50yrs old) 50-240

And there is a Growth Hormone Response (TIME SAMPLE) Test and said that it showed 2 result columns labeled GH1 & GH2. She said this was just added to their services and she did not have pricing yet.

She could not elaborate past anything I have posted here. I must have burned her ear off with questions. She was more than happy to answer what she could but said my questions would be best directed to the lab technician. I got his voice mail and will attempt another call before leaving a message. I did explain to her that I was after the most accurate test indicating how much exogenous growth hormone was in my blood and had heard that there are more specific tests than the IGF-1 test.

OK – Anyone care to take a stab at this? Interpretations welcome. Which is THE test? (Xtralarg, are you talking about the 1st test?)

unless you have changed your mind, these are all blood tests, earlier we were talking about testing the product from china before the injection. I guess if you have base lines you can do the blood tests but that will not tell you much about the purity of the product or what else might be in it....

[Fantomg]

unless you have changed your mind, these are all blood tests, earlier we were talking about testing the product from china before the injection. I guess if you have base lines you can do the blood tests but that will not tell you much about the purity of the product or what else might be in it....

Point taken. I will eagerly await your post of a lab for mass spect testing etc. No baseline anyhow. Wasn't sure we'd discovery such a lab that was willing to accept private pay for testing on a controlled substance. Will be thrilled to death if they do and eager to lay my wallet down.

[NotSmall]

Anyone in the UK had any luck booking an appropriate blood test yet?

I'm being passed from pillar to post over here, lol, am waiting on a call back from the 5th person I have spoken to which seems the most promising so far - fingers crossed...

[Xtralarg]

Anyone in the UK had any luck booking an appropriate blood test yet?

I'm being passed from pillar to post over here, lol, am waiting on a call back from the 5th person I have spoken to which seems the most promising so far - fingers crossed...

Did you try the one I mentioned?

[Matt]

Anyone in the UK had any luck booking an appropriate blood test yet?

I'm being passed from pillar to post over here, lol, am waiting on a call back from the 5th person I have spoken to which seems the most promising so far - fingers crossed...

Ive just got off the phone with the people that XL put up, in his link...

Their going to phone me in 5mins however she said its one test for igf-1 which will indicate if ive been injecting or not..

So now im more confused..

[Xtralarg]

Ive just got off the phone with the people that XL put up, in his link...

Their going to phone me in 5mins however she said its one test for igf-1 which will indicate if ive been injecting or not..

So now im more confused..

How did you go on?

[Matt]

How did you go on?

I have to phone them on Monday to make an appointment which i thought a little strange. Even though they advertise it as their clinic its not, its just a local gp who will take the blood sample, you then have to post it to their lab in London...

And after reading Ns post above i think i'll see how he gets on then do the same...

[Matt]

Btw they are good though, they will even come to your home and test you there, but they have thousands of clinics all over the country, i have one almost next door....

[OH REALLY]

Btw they are good though, they will even come to your home and test you there, but they have thousands of clinics all over the country, i have one almost next door....

hgh converts into igf in the liver.... so just go to the doctor and ask him to run a igf level and see if its elevated ... this is the test to see if children have growth hormone difesinces... so its the best bet.... also its expensive but a sure thing...

[NotSmall]

OK I have found a place through one of XL's links that will test a vial for £472.

It's alot but I think it's the only way to be 100% sure as there seems to be a huge ambiguity with blood tests as far as whether to test for IGF-1 or GH, timings of taking the blood sample after injection, one lab told me the blood sample must be frozen, another told me that IGF-1 degrades so quickly that the blood must be tested within 5hrs of being drawn (making a mockery of these postal tests), and the costs of these blood tests seem to vary ENORMOUSLY - I have been quoted everything from £34 to £195!!

I think I will bite the bullet and pay the £472 to get the vial tested - that way I will get a printed report telling me in black and white if it is GH or not.

[Xtralarg]

OK I have found a place through one of XL's links that will test a vial for £472.

It's alot but I think it's the only way to be 100% sure as there seems to be a huge ambiguity with blood tests as far as whether to test for IGF-1 or GH, timings of taking the blood sample after injection, one lab told me the blood sample must be frozen, another told me that IGF-1 degrades so quickly that the blood must be tested within 5hrs of being drawn (making a mockery of these postal tests), and the costs of these blood tests seem to vary ENORMOUSLY - I have been quoted everything from £34 to £195!!

I think I will bite the bullet and pay the £472 to get the vial tested - that way I will get a printed report telling me in black and white if it is GH or not.

Worth every penny IMO.

[NotSmall]

Worth every penny IMO.

Yeah - I am going to have to do it for my own peace of mind but it's kind of a lose-lose situation in a way - if it says that it is real GH then happy days but I've wasted £472 - if it says its not GH then I've wasted... a HELLUVAH lot more!!