Common Steroid for fighters

[Armykid93]

I'm talking about people dying because a user is going to be stronger and therefore be able to punch harder, kick harder, etc. I am not attributing deaths to the use itself. By the way, my Grandmother died 2 years ago ... she was 90, overweight and had also had a heart attack about 20 years prior, so what exactly is the point you are trying to make with age anyway?? My Aunt was also 94 when she died. Neither of them used steroids btw lol.

They don't effect how long people live. Bringing two people into the argument you can't even prove exist doesn't change that. None of my family members have lived past 80 that long and they didn't do steroids either. After your off the stuff as long as you have done it correctly, it doesn't change life expectancy. Way to go

[boxingfan30]

They don't effect how long people live. Bringing two people into the argument you can't even prove exist doesn't change that. None of my family members have lived past 80 that long and they didn't do steroids either. After your off the stuff as long as you have done it correctly, it doesn't change life expectancy. Way to go

My point wasn't how long people live that use a steroid(s) my point was that if you have 2 guys in a combat sport, that are using PED's, the likelyhood of them damaging each other goes up... even if it is only marginally. I'm not speaking of the life expectancy of one who uses a steroid for BB or personal reasons.

[Armykid93]

I didn't call everyone in this site a cheat. I called a guy who is a boxer, MMgay fighter, any sort of competitive sport a cheat. You know why? Ummm well let's see here. For one it's against the rules of sports, for 2... it's against the rules of sports, 3, it's against the rules of sports... when you break those rules (that I wrote for you 3 times just to make sure you got it) it means you are cheating, which means you are a cheat. If the guys on here want to use it because they want to get bigger, stronger, self esteem reasons, to help them with a job that requires heavy lifting and they want to hopefully prevent injury... hey, i'm all for that. It's illegal, but they aren't cheating... they aren't cheating... it might not be legal, but if you do 2 miles an hour over the speed limit you technically are doing something illegal as well. Don't try to make it out like I have something against every guy or girl on here just because the OP wants to cheat before he gets in a ring.

The fact remains this is a steroid board. This is what we discuss. Go away if you don't like it. There are plenty of forums out there having nothing to do with steroids. You probably just want to stir up conflict, that's how it appears.

[boxingfan30]

The fact remains this is a steroid board. This is what we discuss. Go away if you don't like it. There are plenty of forums out there having nothing to do with steroids. You probably just want to stir up conflict, that's how it appears.

Really? It's a steroid board!?!?! lol

[furious_george]

I think boxingfan30 is a giant troll.

Anyway my morals are my own, and yours are yours.

I love boxing and mma, practice MMA and BJJ as often a week as I can (Personally prefer it to weight lifting).

the whole TE ratio thing is baloney. If Alistair Overeem had a 16:1 T to E ratio it doesn't really matter. Any person knowing anything about anabolic testing would know that this is not a conclusive test as to whether the person caught is using. It's just a red flag saying MORE TESTING IS NEEDED. The test they should have used is the one (cant remember the name think its carbon isotope but not sure) which detects SYNTHETIC testosterone. Thats really the only one that is conclusive.

That being said of course it's obvious AO is using, but its also obvious that guys like GSP and pretty much everyone else in the sport use too. The only guys I can think of that probably dont use I could count on one hand (And even these are guesses).

So the question of it is this: if your a guy that just broke into the UFC or is a guy thats fighting pro and KNOW the guy your going to fight next is suing do you use?

What if you compound this question with if you lose, you get cut from the UFC and cant feed your family (As when you get to this level people do it as their profession, not a hobby and therefore there are many more implications).

I'm sure people in that situation dont really care what people like you or me think about their decisions...and frankly I dont blame them. If the boxing and MMA organizations want people to stop using while competing they have to revamp the entire testing regime they have currently; otherwise it's more of a dont ask dont tell policy. (Victor Conte, of balco fame, refers to drug tests as IQ tests as in you have to be a moron to fail them).

As far as the whole your gonna be able to punch harder because you use thing is baloney. If your worried about being punched in the face HARD by someone you shouldn't be competing in boxing/mma period.

[HeadAndArm]

How do you think these guys are passing the tests? Timing of cycles/masking agents/magic beans?

[dutchkickboxer]

I'm a pro mma fighter, we all use aas , it's to help the healing from training and fighting, being a body builder is way different than a fighter, bb would puke his guts out in the first 20 min of camp.. A lot of us use EQ and Test ( sust250 or prop is most common). EQ for the RBC increase, weight gain is important for us due to the fact our weight is our job!!!!.. we all get tested and as long as we are in the limits it's all good, EQ has long detection time so it's used early in the fight camp, test mg starts high and lowers in to legal range weeks before fight, guys who crank in the huge dose"s right up to fight night are going to get busted!(overeem).. I have never fails a test and have used aas/hgh for my last 3 fights, 16 week cycles but hgh never stops..

[m_donnelly]

It would do people a lot of good to understand that drugs are prevalent in sports. Especially professional athletics where a lot of money is on the line. It's just a simple reality; guys aren't using drugs to gain an edge, they're using them just to compete.

[JSumma]

Because of water retention and making weight, would you run Deca on a low dose? And does Deca still confer joint healing properties at such a low dose? I read about a mild Sust/Eq 20 week cycle for mma in another thread. Would any of you consider running Deca that long and not worry about heavy HPTA shutdown?

[m_donnelly]

Best bet; low doses of test e for recovery and EQ for more aerobic endurance.

Winny is a bad idea because it tightens so many people up; you're just asking for an injury by combining explosive MMA movements with a winny cycle.

Deca works but you'll get more bang for your buck with test. Plus, Deca stays in your system for months and will show up on UAs.

Remember, as an MMA fighter, you're running gear to increase recovery time so you can train harder and more frequently. You're not doing it to stack in muscle mass or look like a bodybuilder; it's all about recovery, recovery, recovery.

[roid_rage]

well, I have posted a thread a while ago where I told my problem of getting extremely tired doing any cardio based sport while on roids, Ive been told it could be because elevated RBC, well, I see lots of people using EQ for elevating RBC cell, im pretty confuse now...

[human project]

well, I have posted a thread a while ago where I told my problem of getting extremely tired doing any cardio based sport while on roids, Ive been told it could be because elevated RBC, well, I see lots of people using EQ for elevating RBC cell, im pretty confuse now...

A lot of oxygen in blood is good for endurance.... Now so much thick ass blood with much more volume and viscosity is not good for endurance...

[roid_rage]

so let me see if I understand this right, I also been told that I should donate blood to lower my rbc, so I guess my problem could be I have too much blood, I have to optimize the RBC/ml of blood?