Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it

[ossparts]

i took my first shot of sus 250 organon the other day in the quad,
hahhaha my quads were sore as hell, maybe i didnt do it right (first time injecting a steriod)
but i also noticed the flu symptoms, i was at work and my temperature went up, started feeling cold and got the chills. went away that night
next day happened again, it wasnt that bad, also i broke out with about 4 or 5 boils on my body.

[dsc]

you probably injected right ossparts sust can hurt like hell for the first few weeks. It will stop after a while, or at least become a very small pain.

[alex*v.7]

enanthate vs. sustanon

for every 100mg of Testosterone Enanthate you have 69mg of Raw Testosterone and 31mg of Enanthate Ester.

for every 100mg of Sustanon/Omnadren/Karachi you have 66mg of Raw Testosterone and 33mg of Esters.

When injected every weeks, at 500mg or less (preferably 250mg), Sustanon has the more steady levels. Over 500mg Enanthate has the edge because of the frequency of the injections. So if you're planning to do 250mg weekly of Test, you should go with Sust. If you're planning to do more than 500mg, Enanthate or Cypionate are superior by far. If you're looking for 250mg to 500mg weekly you're in the grey zone. Sust having the edge at low dose, Enanthate at higher dose.

My guess is that Priopionate should be your choice if you're looking to inject between 250mg and 500mg.

[nope]

first off ive learned more here than from the weeks and months of talking to the clowns at my local gym.
they arent as helpful and really dont knwo too much other than
"this worked great for me get this"

this is whats available to me for my second every cycle.
sust 250
EQ
PROP
winny
deca
cyp

money really isnt an option, causei know in life you get what you pay for. the amount of poking done each week is not a factor either.

all the guys at my gym said sust, but after reading the 3 pages of this thread all ive come up with .....in its easiest way to understand is:

-noobies will see more results than pros.
-the pros saying no to it are baisising their opions on price/dose

am i missing something? can someone give me a link to a thread here about stacking cycles?(not just the few on the front page? ive looked but maybe not hard enough.
or maybe a guide to get myself nice gains and nice strenght?
like a use "x" amount of "x" for "x" long with "x" amount of "x" for "x" long?

i dunno im gonna go read more and learn cause knowledge is key !! thanks

[ossparts]

nope what are your stats
and what is your goal
also need to know if your hair is thin
if your prone to acne
and your body type

[nope]

pm'd ya

[dako]

Originally posted by The Iron Game
Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.

The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.

I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.

250mgs of sust or 250mgs of enanthate?

Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.

Did I forget to mention the sust flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?


Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you sust lovers

Peace

i tried using susta 250 per week for 3 weeks. man i got had acne all over my neck!

[dutchboy]

I have used sust twice and am planning on using it for my next two cycles. I do just fine with it. I don't understand all of the bashing over the past couple of years, prior to that it was the rage....I think the blend of esters makes a difference in the first couple of weeks but after that you got so much in your system I don't see how it would matter. But then again sust is the only test I've used so maybe I should try a single ester next time and see if there is a difference. But, it is hard to change when I have had such good luck with sust. Any how that is my humble .02

[michaeln]

does drinking alcohol affect you body negatively even while drinking in moderation

[BDTR]

What would you consider moderation? A glass of wine a day is considered healthy... but "moderation" can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people.

[Joe Rilla]

The Iron Game

I have thoroughly read your posts and I thank you for sharing your knowledge . I have been taking Omnidren for 4 weeks now and thought that I made a great choice was doing the right thing . After reading all of your posts I have learned so much and decided to follow your advice and do enethate with deca , instead of omnidren .

I Bought some Polish Testosterone. I hope it is Enethate.
The box holds five 1ml Amps 100mg each. The manufacturer is Jelfa and on the front of the box is reads " Testosteronum prolongatum "

On the top of the box it reads " Testosteronum enanthanum ".
Can some one please tell me if this is test enethate, the guy buy from only speaks polish, and everyone usually get omnidren from him , and with that there is no confusion, as i know exactly what that is.
Thanks for any help.

Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.

The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.

I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.

250mgs of sust or 250mgs of enanthate?

Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.

Did I forget to mention the sust flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?


Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you sust lovers

Peace

[meatman69]

Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.

The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.

I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.

250mgs of sust or 250mgs of enanthate?

Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.

Did I forget to mention the sust flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?


Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you sust lovers

Peace

I did one cycle of sust an deca 300 mg of deca a week and 500 mgs of sust and i gained 25 lbs of solid muscle and a dramatic increase in my strentgh im talking about a 335 bench to 395 a 500 lb deadlift to 550 and a 565 squat to 615 i had no problems with water retention (with the help of taraxatone- a type of watert pill) and kept most of my gains i lost about 3 lbs about 2 months after i stopped and that was only becasue the test that was in my system ran out. i did not use clomid or any other anti-e's. That was my ssecond of 4 cycles an was the second best that i had taken. The best cycle i am currently taking is the best yet, which includes, 500 mgs of test enanthate per week 50 mgs of anadrol per day and 300 mgs of deca a week already 3 weeks into my cycke i gained 20 lbs im now up to 280 lbs and benching 425 deadlifting 595 and squatting almost 700 lbs. it seems like bullshyt these numbers but with hard training westside style(louie simmons powerlifting style) and a healthy high calorie diet and good amount of cardio u can hit any weight u want. No matter what you take or how ****ty your diet is if you put your mind to it and believe your not intimadated by the weight you can get astronomical numbers. Thanks for reading
Train hard bros-
meatman

[Dammer]

Not too sure what to make of this thread. Somebody said earlier that it's different for most people and I agree wholeheartedly with that.

My first cycle was 750 mg of sust a week and 500 mg of deca a week. Both for 10 weeks. I had a little bit of water retention but the arimidex I also took got rid of that in no time at all. I was able to put on 28 lbs and keep 24 lbs post cycle with no side effects. I guess it is different for everyone. It's a great beginner's steroid.

Just my 2 cents.
Dammer

[dane]

I just read most of these threads and I have nothing but good things to say about sus. I stacked 500mg for 8 weeks with deca and had great gains, but like Dammer said it's different for everyone. dane

[The Fallen Angel]

Seperate strands of Test (Cyp or Enant) are far superior to Sustanon.

[Latimus]

so enath is a good choice for a first cycle then..instead of sust250..why do so many beginners start with it then...

[Latimus]

sust..."To start with it is more effective at lower dosages. For most users of domestics like Cypionate and Enanthate, the drugs tend to require increased dosage each time they are used to provide the user with good results. Eventually many find themselves using 1200 mg per week or more to get results. Sustanon’s primary advantage is that it has been effective in continued use or return use at a reasonable dosage. A dose of 250 mg per week or 500 mg every 10 days is about all one needs of the Sustanon to get good results. Because of the blend of testosterones in Sustanon it seems to be recognised by the steroid receptors for longer periods of time than the previously mentioned domestics, Because a person can use less sustanon and still get results, he will see less side effects." pulled this off the net...This thread is perfect for me..im going to start up my first cycle and am having a hard time decide between the 2...what is the bottem line???

[Chocolate]

there is no bottom line really...
i used 1 amp/week of sust250 for 8 weeks my first cycle gained 12 pounds and kept all of my gains.
strangely enough i don't think injecting it hurts and i don't get flu symptoms like other people... but i do know that if you are injecting it more than once a week you will see better results. i enjoyed using sustanon and felt that there was a great pump effect for three days following the injection, my face got fat :P but i didn't get any acne.
i have never tried any of the straight tests' but i am new to this and havn't tried a lot of different compounds.
i would suggest to any newbie to try sust... cause it isn't any worse than any of the other tests' just different and for me it was more readily available.

[UrbanDawg]

What exaclty is this sust flu phenom? Ive been megadosing it and have just felt like I got the flu - sore throat - earache and it happen really fast.
Is this some sort of body reaction to the test ? ma i really sick? is it a real infection? When will it go ?

help!

[Jjdigs74]

This is common and happens to alot of AS users. I have no medical explanation for this but from my readings and informationI have gathered, " flu like syptoms " play a roll in most Sust users. For starters you are introducing something into your body that your body is not used to. Testosterone is naturaly in your body but not at that amount. So your body has to learn to deal with the stress it is being subjected to. Your body does cope with this eventually but in the first stages ( 1-3 weeks ) you will experience side effects because of your hormones being so out of wack.
Sustonon has to be shot every 2 days or every 3 days to keep Testosterone Levels at a steady rate. When using any type of testosterone you will see maximum and best results keeping your Testosterone at the same level throughout the week and so on. When your Testosterone levels jump up and down you will see the opposite. More side effect ( cold, flu, soar throat, general well being, mood changes, effect in motivation ) also you will see more of a jump in weight day by day.
Most users of Sustonon do not know this and make sustanon to be a great anabolic steriod. Sustanon has its place in the steriod world, do not get me wrong! But I beleive that novices or rookies to AS should choose another form of testosterone to use in their cycles that would give them a better result. My belife is that sustanon is ment for the guys that have been cycling for years, with numerous cycles under there belts preferably at an older age.
Further more i will say that you will be fine and not to worry about you getting sick. Like i said it is very common for people to become sick when starting Sustanon. I would work through it, take lots of Vitamins ( A, E, C, Multi, Fish Oil, B12 ) drink lots of fluids and rest your body for now. It will be fine to stay out of the gym less during you being ill, that will give your body longer time to recover. I would continue with your cycle as planned and finish it to the day and follow PCT.

[Billyc]

I am a novice in the anabolic steriod world. I am about to take my first cycle. I have learned so much just by reading your post questions and answers. I was wondering about a couple of things....first is that I am about to purchase sustonon for my first cycle. My bodybuilding friend told me its the best steriod on the market as of now. After reading from as I can see that their are mixed judgements about that. What do you feel about that?

[MR PHATT ASS]

I am a novice in the anabolic steriod world. I am about to take my first cycle. I have learned so much just by reading your post questions and answers. I was wondering about a couple of things....first is that I am about to purchase sustonon for my first cycle. My bodybuilding friend told me its the best steriod on the market as of now. After reading from as I can see that their are mixed judgements about that. What do you feel about that?

.your gonna have the sust lovers and sust haters everywhere....i personally like it but i never used test e/c .. anyways its believed and recommended that newbies use test e cause it only has 1 ester in it...sust has 4 esters and they have diff release times...the single ester keeps it simple for the 1st time user..i recommend doing a search here on sust/test e and c and you'll alll your answers....the vets have better knowledge than i..... dont forget pct too

[Billyc]

Thanks for the information. I can see that a lot of as subscribers say that test is a good way to start. The only problem is that I can't find test. I don't want to go around the gym and just ask anyone if they can find it. My bodybuilding friend said that he doubts he can find it too. Help?

[Jjdigs74]

Thanks for the information. I can see that a lot of as subscribers say that test is a good way to start. The only problem is that I can't find test. I don't want to go around the gym and just ask anyone if they can find it. My bodybuilding friend said that he doubts he can find it too. Help?

It sounds like you don;t have a good BBer friend at all bro! Test is readily available on the black market and can be found very easily. Any source out there has or can get numerous amounts of Testosterone. It would not be wise to walk around your gym and ask anybody for anything. Id ask good friends if they know anybody that deals with gear. If they say yes and you trust that friend have him talk to his buddy for you. In most cases you want to be introduced to his friend and make sure for yourself that you can trust him. I know that its tough to judge people, but if you get a sense that hes not a straight shooter and hes out to make a fast buck, just say no thanks or tell him youll call him later and walk away! Its not worth getting burned or getting fake gear! If still no luck id shop around for a domestic source and make sure you ask around for a good source check! NO ASKING FOR A SOURCE but ask if one is ok and good to deal with. Good luck bro

[Bigboy7]

hey i took 500mgs of sus. about 5 days ago and my rear right cheek is swollen and hurts can any one throw something out at me please

[Jjdigs74]

hey i took 500mgs of sus. about 5 days ago and my rear right cheek is swollen and hurts can any one throw something out at me please

Im not sure of your cycle experience but most rookies to sust as well as many other AS have sore injections. Mostly because of the BA and the fact that your body is not used to it. It will get easier to shoot and the swelling will go down. I highly doubt its an infection but if it persists past 4 or 5 weeks i would get it checked out by your doc. Also split your shots up during the week. Sust250 is not to be takin at 500mg/ per shot incremints. Shot E3D at 250mg and you will be fine. good luck

[ASLAMV]

WARM UP YHE SUS TO BODY TEMP OR A LITTLE HIGHER BEFORE INJECTING.THIS WILL MAKE A GREAT DIFF WITH REGARDS TO THE PAIN AND SWELLING.

[Chris_ATV]

I have been taking 250mg sust E3D since June 1.
Today is July 7.
So 1 month and I have put on 15lbs of quality gains, my BF % barely has gone up too, so I'm hoping to keep most of it.

I (luckily) havent experienced the sust flu (yet anyways).

The shots tend to hurt for 24 hours or so but not bad at all.

[smackdown]

I have been taking 250mg sust E3D since June 1.
Today is July 7.
So 1 month and I have put on 15lbs of quality gains, my BF % barely has gone up too, so I'm hoping to keep most of it.

I (luckily) havent experienced the sust flu (yet anyways).

The shots tend to hurt for 24 hours or so but not bad at all.

that's great... u only take sust250mg, do u take nolvadex/any anti-E??? kindly post ur full cycle w/dosage... thnx... i'm a newbie too and want also to have quality gain and loose some body fat

[Mr. Shoulders]

My personal experience tends to lean towards enanthate and cyp. I have done them all including sust and have always tried to keep the mindset of working with my body's glands and not trying to rock the boat too much. This may sound conservative but, over the 20 years of bodybuilding I have gone from 165lbs to 275 using this principle...IMO sust is a waste of $$$ in the light of some of the other options that are available...

[dobidust]

do u think then im better off with testex 250 a week rather than 500mg sust a week thanks andy

[Newbie_J]

sup fellas... what can i say i'm a newbie, but here's the thing I've been weight tranning for about 4 years now and i seem to have peak as far as my gains go, and after reading all replys and doing some research of my own i have come to the conclusion that test enanthate and deca are a good combination is this true?

and another problem i'm running into is where to find them without getting scammed.
if you could help please send an E-mail to [email protected]

thanks!

No More GAINS!!!!!!!!! Newbie_J

[powerlifter]

Sust sucks IMO - too hard to keep blood levels steady

[alabama]

have u ever even used it , im sick of ppl that have not tried a certain gear or from a certain lab and talk **** about just because thats what u heard or read well i have used it and i liked havin a the benifits from faster acting prop to the other blended tests

[allabs5150]

My frst cycle , and at the time I have to admitt i was not the most educated person on the differnt types of AS and thier sides but I ran 12 weeks 500 mg Sust and weeks 7 to 14 added primo had some really nice gains but I do remember the sust really hurtin and the sust flu tha came with it during the first few weeks From now one its only Test E or Prop with deca or tren

[Pure Power]

.....a lot of the people who started this thread aren't even sharing their opinion anymore. I think this thread went way off course. Sust in the end has less raw test than for example e or cyp. I am IN NO WAY a chemical whiz, but, wouldn't it make sence that the other is less expencive, and has more of the ingredient you really want in it. I have a hunch on the flu problem with sust though. Maybe it would also explain why for some insane reason people notice different reactions to sust like less water and the likes. Sust creates a lot of peaks of test in your body as far as I can understand and takes a long time to clear your body. But the faster acting etsers ...well act faster and clear within 2-3 days. This rise and fall as apposed to a more gradual and gentle wave of test in the blood from other etsers, ie enth.
If you have a fast acting ester, you would be able to notice it much sooner in a cycle. But it would require more often injection, ie, prop 200 mg would clear in 2 days. 100 mg per day with the highest blood levels being(I'm not sure but just a guess please tell me how correct I am)at exactly 1 day/24 hours/the middle point of injectiont. Making a verry steep bell curve.

Longer acting would show a similar pattern but over a longer amount of time. But still show a bell pattern ie enth showing its highest concentration in the blood 3.5-4 days post injection. But because it has a much more gradual curve.
Now this makes sence to me. I could be way off base but I have a theory and I would like to be a bit more informed b4 I open my big fat mouth.

[shorty33]

I was on sustanon250, injecting Tuesday 250mg then on Friday 250mg, for a total of 500mg a week. In my 5th week i got really sick, really bad cough (uncontrollable), i have never been that sick oh yeah diarea as well. The cough lasted for about 5weeks it sucked. I have got cypionate for my next cycle and i will run that Tuesday 400mg, then Friday 400mg, i'm staying away from sustanon250 because of all i've read and the fact that i got the sustanon flu.

[smackdown]

if sus is not that good, what can you recommend? i really want to get big fast, i've been going to the gym for 8yrs and i didn't achieve my goal... thanx...

[Toenail Juice Z]

if sus is not that good, what can you recommend? i really want to get big fast, i've been going to the gym for 8yrs and i didn't achieve my goal... thanx...

Testosterone Enanthate at 1000mg/week together with 10mg Nolvadex/day and 25mg Proviron.

This is what I recommend if your going to do a test only cycle, and considering the fact you have 8 yrs training, that's why i suggested a gram.

Nolva and Proviron will prevent the gyno and a lot of the water retention. You'll just be a huge mofo in approximately 8 weeks.

[smackdown]

TOENAIL JUICE Z... how about if i want to bulk and have cuts, what cycle can you recommend... thanx 4 spending some time to answer my inquiry....