Reducing Cholesterol Experiment

[NACH3]

To me and from all my readings the LDL particle size is one of the most important aspects. It's what originally enlightened me to make the changes that I did. I highly recommend you check yours if possible to see what's really going on inside of you.




You don't want U.S. made RYR as the natural statins are removed from it per the FDA.

Thx Kel/Girly! So would Amazon be ok then to order from or do you suggest somewhere else? Obviously the whole point is for the statins...

[OdinsOtherSon]

I'm already on NAC/Vit C/cilias etc, etc... I've been looking into this RYR... I've seen pill form - but I'm thinking the powder is the way to go, correct?! Based on its horrible taste im definitely assuming it's powder lol... Best place to get is HR? Thx fellas

Yes. The powder. I ordered mine thru amazon.

To me and from all my readings the LDL particle size is one of the most important aspects. It's what originally enlightened me to make the changes that I did. I highly recommend you check yours if possible to see what's really going on inside of you.




You don't want U.S. made RYR as the natural statins are removed from it per the FDA.

NACH, as GGR and kelkel have already stated, the powder ryr from HR is the way to go. I honestly don't see how sup suppliers can sell the pill forms from the US as cholesterol lowering supps when the FDA has regulated the beneficial compound out of it.

[NACH3]

NACH, as GGR and kelkel have already stated, the powder ryr from HR is the way to go. I honestly don't see how sup suppliers can sell the pill forms from the US as cholesterol lowering supps when the FDA has regulated the beneficial compound out of it.

Thx Odin... I was thinking the same thing

[kelkel]

Update:

As stated I stopped the RYR maybe 3-4 months prior to blood work I just had done. The goal was to see if I could hold onto the positive changes I made without using it and thus, eliminate it from my protocol. Well my BW came back great! My LDL particle size remained "Pattern A, Large Buoyant LDL" so I'm excited about it. It means I'm holding that level without the use of the natural statins in RYR.

My doc is very happy with this as well. Only time will tell if it holds there until my next BW in six months, but I see no reason why it should not. So far this experiment has validated the use of this protocol, imho. Hopefully it works for someone else as well.

[ermasta]

Update:

As stated I stopped the RYR maybe 3-4 months prior to blood work I just had done. The goal was to see if I could hold onto the positive changes I made without using it and thus, eliminate it from my protocol. Well my BW came back great! My LDL particle size remained "Pattern A, Large Buoyant LDL" so I'm excited about it. It means I'm holding that level without the use of the natural statins in RYR.

My doc is very happy with this as well. Only time will tell if it holds there until my next BW in six months, but I see no reason why it should not. So far this experiment has validated the use of this protocol, imho. Hopefully it works for someone else as well.

Congrats Kelkel!!

You give us hope my man...I am going to finish up my 30 day supply of Lipitor , check blood and get on your protocol.....

Thanks again!

[kelkel]

Congrats Kelkel!!

You give us hope my man...I am going to finish up my 30 day supply of Lipitor , check blood and get on your protocol.....

Thanks again!

Be sure to get the VAP or NMR Profile run ermasta! Cut out sugar as well.

[ermasta]

Be sure to get the VAP or NMR Profile run ermasta! Cut out sugar as well.

Yup, I will make sure I get that specific test ran. Not really into sweets so the only sugar I have is in my morning Coffee. I will update my BW thread once I see the doc.

BTW: I am also changing the protein drinks to Isolate, way too much cholesterol on regular whey.

[kelkel]

Yup, I will make sure I get that specific test ran. Not really into sweets so the only sugar I have is in my morning Coffee. I will update my BW thread once I see the doc..

Get off sugar in your coffee as well. That was the hardest one for me but coffee is so much better now without it.

[OdinsOtherSon]

kelkel, did you maintain the niacin and NAC, less the ryr?

[kelkel]

Exactly. I don't see myself giving up on either of those two. NAC is too good an overall supplement and the SloNiacin helps my HDL.
Main thing Odin is getting that VAP or NMR Lipo Profile. It's the only way to track particle size.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Yes, I totally agree. It's a shame you have to request that particle size be monitored. I also take NAC as a daily sup for other benefits as well. I also take Vitamin C with the NAC. I've read that it helps to reduce the oxidation of the NAC. Not sure about the validity of that but I look at Vit C like I do NAC...it's too cheap with too many positives to not incorporate.

Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge kelkel!

[GirlyGymRat]

I don't see it available on Amazon anymore but can buy it from hard rhino dot com. No space between hard and rhino.

[NACH3]

I don't see it available on Amazon anymore but can buy it from hard rhino dot com. No space between hard and rhino.

Thx Girly.... will be placing my order

[GingerbeardJ]

When I tried ryr it made me sick as hell! Gave me flu like symptoms, nausea, and body cramps. Do you guys think my body just doesn't work will with it or it was a bunk product?

[GirlyGymRat]

When I tried ryr it made me sick as hell! Gave me flu like symptoms, nausea, and body cramps. Do you guys think my body just doesn't work will with it or it was a bunk product?

Hard rhino powder has certificates for theirs which makes me think ryr is under dosed or faked.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Hard rhino powder has certificates for theirs which makes me think ryr is under dosed or faked.

This^^

All ryr produced in the US have the natural statins removed via gov regulation. Like I said above, I don't see how most supplement vendors get away with peddling their ryr as such. In all honesty, there's no telling what you might have taken.

[NACH3]

This^^

All ryr produced in the US have the natural statins removed via gov regulation. Like I said above, I don't see how most supplement vendors get away with peddling their ryr as such. In all honesty, there's no telling what you might have taken.

Well it's a great thing I never did, Odin!

And exactly why I wanted to be sure! Thx brother!

[lovbyts]

Exactly. I don't see myself giving up on either of those two. NAC is too good an overall supplement and the SloNiacin helps my HDL.
Main thing Odin is getting that VAP or NMR Lipo Profile. It's the only way to track particle size.

So do you think the ryr was not needed at all since you dont need it now or was it still a vehicle needed to get your levels to a healthy range?

[kelkel]

So do you think the ryr was not needed at all since you dont need it now or was it still a vehicle needed to get your levels to a healthy range?

I think it was integral in getting me there due to the natural statins. My next BW in 6 months or so will tell the tale.

[lovbyts]

I think it was integral in getting me there due to the natural statins. My next BW in 6 months or so will tell the tale.

How long did it take using the RYR and other stuff to get it down? I use everything you have mentioned although not 7 days a week, more like 4
I'm going to add the RYR because nothing has helped much so far.

OK, Fine Ill go back to the beginning and check the 1st post and do the math. lol

Looks like just about 1yr using the RYR?

[OdinsOtherSon]

kelkel, quick question. Is the ryr more or less effective taken with or without food?

[kelkel]

I implemented the protocol after not liking my VAP Lipid Profile on page one, which was horrible. BW six months later moved me to middle ground then another 6 months I was in the good category if memory serves me correctly.

[GirlyGymRat]

One year. Omg. I really dislike the taste of this stuff. I drink it with the water and don't throw into a shake because ruins the taste of the shake!

[kelkel]

One year. Omg. I really dislike the taste of this stuff. I drink it with the water and don't throw into a shake because ruins the taste of the shake!

Agree, tastes horrible. I hated what it did to protein drinks as well and did it your way after a while...

[OdinsOtherSon]

Been mixing ryr with orange juice. Seems to go down easier for me that way.

[Pale1]

I've been following a pretty hard core keto diet for the last 4 months. About 80 percent fat, the rest protein & trace carbs. Absolutely no sugars of any sort. Getting blood work done later this week & very interested to see how it effects the LDL particle size (my primary reason for doing it). The popular theory seems to be that it is the blood glucose that is causing LDL to oxidize & become small particle. I should have something to report soon.

[kelkel]

Pale1 do you have a prior lipo profile to gauge results?

[Pale1]

Pale1 do you have a prior lipo profile to gauge results?

Yes I do. I'll be posting all those #'s up when I get these results. I'll give the blood sample this Thursday.

[kelkel]

Outstanding. Look forward to it.

[Pale1]

Outstanding. Look forward to it.

As a little teaser, I have previously reduced my Small LDL-P from 914 (which put me in the high risk range), down to where I got it to before starting my keto experiment which was 350 (normal range but I'd still like to se it lower). I did this by lowering my carb intake & adding in a couple TBSP's of coconut oil per day. That is a pretty drastic improvement & that is also what encouraged me to just say **** it & go full keto to see what kind of results I can get from that.

[kelkel]

Interesting stuff Pale1. Have you monitored your CRP level along the way as well by chance?

[Pale1]

Yes I have. Fibrinogen also. I don't have the #'s in front of me but CRP has always stayed in check. I have used a tsp of fish oil/ day along with one Bayer aspirin for the last few years now. I've read research suggesting that both of these have a positive influence on CRP.

Other supps that I use for heart health are 1500 mg's niacin/ day (This made a drastic improvement in my HDL), lecithin granules & also CoQ10.

Back to the CRP subject, CRP being an inflammatory marker I would expect it to come down even more on a keto diet. I believe carbohydrates to be highly inflammatory, & another carbohydrate theory that I have recently read is that it is that same carbohydrate induced inflammation in the endothelial cell lining of the arteries that actually allows plaque to accumulate. With no inflammation, the large buoyant LDL particles would pass through harmlessly.

[Who_Am_I]

With no inflammation, the large buoyant LDL particles would pass through harmlessly.

Agreed. I wrote this a while back and will post it here. It may or may not have been said already.

There are several theories postulated to explain the underlying cause of atherosclerosis and the mechanisms of atherogenesis remain uncertain. The response-to-injury hypothesis is the most widely accepted proposal which proposes that vascular injury starts the atherosclerotic process. Normal arteries have a smooth lining and when this lining becomes irritated a cascade of events begins that results in atherosclerosis. The body’s immune system responds by producing inflammation within the artery, triggering certain cells to deposit cholesterol and other substances under the artery’s lining, resulting in the development of lesions. The earliest pathologic lesion of atherosclerosis is known as a fatty streak. The fatty streak is the result of the accumulation of serum lipoproteins within the intima of the vessel wall. Once inside the vessel wall, LDL particles can become more prone to oxidation. Endothelial cells respond by attracting monocyte white blood cells, causing them to leave the blood stream, penetrate into the arterial walls and transform into macrophages. The macrophages' ingestion of oxidized LDL particles triggers a cascade of immune responses which over time can produce an atheroma (plaque) if HDL removal of fats from the macrophages does not keep up. Growth of the fibrous plaque results in vascular remodeling, progressive luminal narrowing, blood-flow abnormalities, and compromised oxygen supply to the target organ. Developing atherosclerotic plaques acquire their own microvascular network, the vasa vasorum, which are prone to hemorrhage and contribute to progression of atherosclerosis. If this plaque ruptures resulting in a thrombus formation, a partial or complete occlusion of the blood vessel may occur presenting with acute symptoms and possibly a heart attack or stroke.

Edit: Also want to add that some postulate that over consumption of Omega 6 fatty acids can lead to atherosclerosis as well.

[Pale1]

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[Pale1]

Agreed. I wrote this a while back and will post it here. It may or may not have been said already.



Edit: Also want to add that some postulate that over consumption of Omega 6 fatty acids can lead to atherosclerosis as well.

YES! Omega 6's are inflammatory while Omega 3's are anti-inflammatory, & it's all about getting the right balance between the two. Before modern man started making all those nasty vegetable oils, about the most wide spread ratio of the two fats that he may consume would be like a 4-1 Omega 6 to Omega 3. Many cultures like the Inuites consumed a 1-1 ratio. A person consuming the standard American diet is consuming a ratio of something like 16-1!!

A well structured diet should have a low Omega 3 requirement because the Omega 6 intake should already be very low (remember it's all about the ratio). Most fats should come from saturated fats (grass fed animal fats or butter), & monounsaturated fats (olive oil & avocados).

[kelkel]

This is a book, literally:

http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/381654

If nothing else, read the conclusion, save it to file, etc...

[Pale1]

This is a book, literally:

http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/381654

If nothing else, read the conclusion, save it to file, etc...

It will take me some time to get through that one but just from skimming through the conclusion, I'm sure the drug companies will try to bury this report.

[kelkel]

Of course.

[lovbyts]

Remember, it's not about the money...
The new guideline will eventually increase the numbers of
statin users on the order of millions.

[lovbyts]

Speaking of cholesterol, I watched an interesting moving the other day called The Widowmaker. It's about heart disease, stents, cholesterol and of course the corrupt medical system and doctors.