Test E Tren Ace Log

[davesah1]

Starting Test E "900"mg and Tren E 400 maybe 500mg a week for 12-14 weeks on Sunday
Probably going shoot three days a week for better absorption.

Not sure if I wanna log this one as it seems like a bore for the first 4 weeks until I either go insane, sweat my balls shiny, or find out this tren is also weak/bunk. Probably just update if anything interesting happens.

I'll drop the test to 600 if bloat, and an overall shit feeling comes about but I hope they don't as controlling e2 is not an issue with letro as my main AI that I've grown used to for a year.

*It says test 300mg. I personally take this as marketing bullshit and assume its 250mg and the vendor wants to make it look like a better deal (i.e. same price at 250mg)
So 900mgs off the label, IMO 750mg. Maybe 200mg, shit ill find out with time and bloods.

New guy, old one went AWOL.
1,300 transactions with a 4.9/5. I have faith gear is worth something.

Let's see what happens.

[wright81]

Hi I'm wanting to do a cycle of trend I'm new to this what should I stack it with that may be safe for lean mass and what company is legit I'm tired of being ripped off please comment back thank your gains look great

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[GirlyGymRat]

Repost in steroid q$a.


Also This forum is not a source board but u should check in steroid forum discussion of brands sub forum.

[davesah1]

Been pretty lazy with updating and pics and busy.
Seems the tren is legit, however luckily I get little to no sides but slight mood changes. Easier to get irritated pretty much.
Been more of a recomp type cycle so far. Weight is still 203-205, but significantly leaner and do look larger and more vascular.
When I get the chance i'll snap a full body one.
Strength gains nothing serious at all. But I was never a much of a strength gainer even if I shit bulk.

[davesah1]

if theres a way to upload vids i'd rather do that.

I'll just upload one from the computer instead of taking annoying pics which require the use of an arm.

[davesah1]

Here's some midnight and mid-cycle flexion with a solid 0 pump.



If anyone knows ways to minimize end day stomach bloat from eating clean, I'm open some advice. So far all I hear is cut out dairy which just would be 3 cups of a milk a day. Veggies perhaps?

About 5-7 pounds heavier (with this look) than last year and leaner overall, at least from what I can see/recall.
Overall not very pleased yet. Gotta kill it these last 6-7 weeks.

[itsmybody]

Here's some midnight and mid-cycle flexion with a solid 0 pump. <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=157787"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=157788"/> If anyone knows ways to minimize end day stomach bloat from eating clean, I'm open some advice. So far all I hear is cut out dairy which just would be 3 cups of a milk a day. Veggies perhaps? About 5-7 pounds heavier (with this look) than last year and leaner overall, at least from what I can see/recall. Overall not very pleased yet. Gotta kill it these last 6-7 weeks.

Any news on the end of day belly bloat? That drives me bat crazy too. I have cut out all dairy and no gassy veggies...still bloated as heck at the end of the day. If you find anything please help me out and share what works. It's uncomfortable as hell!

[davesah1]

Any news on the end of day belly bloat? That drives me bat crazy too. I have cut out all dairy and no gassy veggies...still bloated as heck at the end of the day. If you find anything please help me out and share what works. It's uncomfortable as hell!

It's such a pain, especially at this weight to exceed my caloric needs and eat cleanly I feel and look like I ate a 45 pound plate at the end of the day. Not be vulgar, maybe foods/vegetables that make you poop more often (fiber?). lol
Get it in and get it out I guess.

I never feel bloated if I have the runs.

[< <Samson> >]

Jesus! ! !


Fvcking swelling

[davesah1]

Jesus! ! !


Fvcking swelling

Thanks Sampson, appreciate the props.

Read through Marcus's post on training intensity and getting your into your own mind as if someone is about to murder my mother and rape my sister if I don't get another rep and I can't feel mehh my f*cking legs....

Didn't realize that how comfortable I had gotten into my routine. Time to start eating the weights after I lift them.

[kelkel]

What's your goal Dave?

[davesah1]

What's your goal Dave?

This type of build and reach 210 lbs being a whopping 5'8". 200 has been a very sticky number for me. Getting past 205 always gets me puffy and chubby.....but scales are overrated. Even just hover around this weight but around 12% BF. No clue what mine is currently.

This is gonna be my last cycle for at least a year, maybe two or three. Hopefully I can maintain on test with proper discipline.

I can get big, just aesthetically big. Easy gainer of fat and muscle. If my carbs are 300 or above I lose vascularity and hardness in a little less than a week, but gain "weight"

[davesah1]

oh and 20 inch arms.

yesterday's macros

89 grams of fat
261 grams of carbs
356 grams of protein

My typical carb sources are, brown rice, oats, skim milk in PWO shake, and fruits/veggies (spinach).
Rarely do I eat bread because whole grain bread sucks IMO.

[davesah1]

or maybe I can play macronutrient chess and see just how much fats I can get away with since they are very calorie dense. If I consumed my daily calories from only olive oil I would never have bloat, just be internally decaying.

It seems somewhat inevitable on a clean bulk.
Cutting weight I never really felt bloated.

[davesah1]

Oh shit, maybe the gluten free gooks are on to something. Anyone gluten free and never get bloated now is your time to serve purpose.

[itsmybody]

Def not too vulgar, it's a real pain in the a$$!
A clean bulk seriously is a big contributing factor but hopefully it's worth it. All that food and 1-2 gallons of water has to go somewhere. At the end of the day I swear my stomach is equivalent with the boob job and I look like I'm 6 months prego...only you can see abs still. It's uncomfortable and looks absurd!
Have removed the gassy veggies, removed all diet sodas and artificial sweeteners (it helps a little but not much), thought it may be the protein powder so removed it for a week and subbed with chicken breast, zero dairy, tried gluten free for a week and STILL PILSBURY DOUGH BOY! Sure too much fat keeps it at bay (accidentally doubled fish oil one day...pipes were clean for a week) but that's not a fun route for me or anyone around me. If I ever find a solution I will be certain to share with you and in my log for everyone else.

[davesah1]

Chest yesterday, off day today.

Got 315 on incline for 7 reps and opposed to my usual 5 then spotted for another 3 beyond failure.

Decline Bench 315 for 6 reps then another 4 to reach 10 rest pause.

Then incline cable flyes 40x8 rest with a rest pause, then drop setted it.

Tried to perform flat dumbbell press with 55 pounds and muscles where so shot I could not get it up more than four times lol.

[davesah1]

So, as much as I hate Kali Muscle. I was perusing youtube yesterday and the dude was ranting about sodium intake and water weight and how to look lean and blah blah.

Been adding 0 salt to everything I eat and drinking a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day and damn I must say, shit works. The stomach "bloat" seems to fade. The lower abodomen looks much flatter and I don't puff up by the end of the day.
The mornings I look lean and damn tight.
Been only 3 days and I noticed a difference. The first day I got headaches as my body was probably adjusting to the sodium decrease and water increase reestablishing intracellular equilibrium. I'm gonna stick with it for as long as I can.

[itsmybody]

So, as much as I hate Kali Muscle. I was perusing youtube yesterday and the dude was ranting about sodium intake and water weight and how to look lean and blah blah. Been adding 0 salt to everything I eat and drinking a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day and damn I must say, shit works. The stomach "bloat" seems to fade. The lower abodomen looks much flatter and I don't puff up by the end of the day. The mornings I look lean and damn tight. Been only 3 days and I noticed a difference. The first day I got headaches as my body was probably adjusting to the sodium decrease and water increase reestablishing intracellular equilibrium. I'm gonna stick with it for as long as I can.

Hear ya. Until chugging 2gal/day had all sorts of uncomfortable bloating and swelling. Literally feels like your a balloon about to burst. First it was tough but now easy peasy...keep it up, your skin will even look better.

[davesah1]

Hear ya. Until chugging 2gal/day had all sorts of uncomfortable bloating and swelling. Literally feels like your a balloon about to burst. First it was tough but now easy peasy...keep it up, your skin will even look better.

Yeah it was, I dropped the water now, just wanted a quick cleanse. However I do find that lowering sodium helped me a lot with tightening my bloat around my waist or just lost some water around there. I no longer baloon as much towards the end of the day. However I am not sure if that would work as well for females since you ladies tend to store water weight in different regions (thighs, buttocks) as opposed to around the waist.
Chicken has taste now and really loving the taste of cow flesh with pepper. Awakening the inner pure carnivore.

I did notice slight cramping the first few days which was annoying. Really just in my lower biceps and upper inner forearm.

I remember reading and hearing from a wrestling coach that if you pull on the skin and let it go and the area ripples like a drop hitting water its water retention. That no longer happens on my lower abdomen like it did last week so I guess it held some truth. My diary intake has not changed just essentially eliminated added salts to my food. My face (under chin) is still puffy... but my estriadol came back at 19 ng/ml so I do not believe it to be estrogen related, especially on letro with those numbers.

I think I'm sub 15% probably 14-13% now at around 203 pounds. Makes being 5'8 have its perks I guess since being that weight at anything 6+ foot is less impressive IMO.

[davesah1]

It appears the only areas that really don't want tighten up are around my waist and under tit. I have a "butterfly shaped ass, but not striated at all. Also, I not longer need 1.5 inch pins to ensure I get up in there.
However, I want to continue gaining at this build. I'm more into size than being real ripped. Also, I'm an endomorph type, so I could be 220 and look like cheese ball pretty quick and cutting down sub 12% requires extreme discipline (carb torture) and costs me gains and volume and is not very sustainable.

When I looked somewhat close to this last year, I still not as defined in my eyes. I was about 192 pounds give or take. So I'm doing some things right or better I guess, but not everything because I'm no pro. I don't claim to be guys, rather just a guinea pig and sharing my experiences.

[kelkel]

It appears the only areas that really don't want tighten up are around my waist and under tit. I have a "butterfly shaped ass, but not striated at all. Also, I not longer need 1.5 inch pins to ensure I get up in there.
However, I want to continue gaining at this build. I'm more into size than being real ripped. Also, I'm an endomorph type, so I could be 220 and look like cheese ball pretty quick and cutting down sub 12% requires extreme discipline (carb torture) and costs me gains and volume and is not very sustainable.

When I looked somewhat close to this last year, I still not as defined in my eyes. I was about 192 pounds give or take. So I'm doing some things right or better I guess, but not everything because I'm no pro. I don't claim to be guys, rather just a guinea pig and sharing my experiences.

Look great Dave!

[davesah1]

Look great Dave!

Thanks Kel, its been a hell of a journey, but you gotta enjoy it.
I wonder if I step on a amateur stage and I did a cut if I would ever place somewhere, too late now though not enough tren, I mean time.

I just like to compete with myself each year honestly.

[ambernightly]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=158138"/> It appears the only areas that really don't want tighten up are around my waist and under tit. I have a "butterfly shaped ass, but not striated at all. Also, I not longer need 1.5 inch pins to ensure I get up in there. However, I want to continue gaining at this build. I'm more into size than being real ripped. Also, I'm an endomorph type, so I could be 220 and look like cheese ball pretty quick and cutting down sub 12% requires extreme discipline (carb torture) and costs me gains and volume and is not very sustainable. When I looked somewhat close to this last year, I still not as defined in my eyes. I was about 192 pounds give or take. So I'm doing some things right or better I guess, but not everything because I'm no pro. I don't claim to be guys, rather just a guinea pig and sharing my experiences.

You look great.

[william981125]

It appears the only areas that really don't want tighten up are around my waist and under tit. I have a "butterfly shaped ass, but not striated at all. Also, I not longer need 1.5 inch pins to ensure I get up in there.
However, I want to continue gaining at this build. I'm more into size than being real ripped. Also, I'm an endomorph type, so I could be 220 and look like cheese ball pretty quick and cutting down sub 12% requires extreme discipline (carb torture) and costs me gains and volume and is not very sustainable.

When I looked somewhat close to this last year, I still not as defined in my eyes. I was about 192 pounds give or take. So I'm doing some things right or better I guess, but not everything because I'm no pro. I don't claim to be guys, rather just a guinea pig and sharing my experiences.

U train at ur home gym like everyday?

[davesah1]

U train at ur home gym like everyday?

5 day split with one or two rest days.

Home gym mainly use for body parts that don't require much cable, machine work. (except back, I got a pulley and lots of handles)
Nothing like being able to arms, delts, and back with no shirt. I have a gym membership as well, just depends if I feel like making the trip. Most sessions are with my partner in an actual gym.

[davesah1]

I love how I dropped sodium from the guy, natty Kali, who has a video making a 5,000 calorie burrito out of fritos, beef sticks, ramen, and cheese while claiming if you eat this every day you'll be "jacked in a month."

I could barely even stomach his arrogance let alone the thing looked like vomit. It probably tastes awesome though.

Oh, but at least he didn't use the ramen seasoning pack because that's just pure salt. Can he read the other nutrition labels, or what?

[kelkel]

It's always about competing with yourself. But I think you'd also enjoy having a competition as a goal and achieving your best physique possible. If you have the competition bug in the back of your mind it will slowly eat at you if you don't pursue it.

[davesah1]

Weight has been a steady 206 and have managed to keep the bloat off as maintain this look. Im happy.
Maybe 210 by the next three weeks if I'm lucky.
Seems Tren E really does start to shine in the latter weeks. Week 8 and out.

Enjoy your Sunday lades and gentlemen.

[itsmybody]

Dave just getting caught up on your log. Looks like your doing great! Very good work and lots of good info here, thank you for sharing. Keep it up and yeah...nutrition is def the hardest part. Those final touches seem to always come down to diet diet diet. Ugh!

[NACH3]

Shit - I missed all this!

Your caring some serious size/tissue for that weight!

Great arms(size and peaks are sick) & obviously a great overall build! Well done...

I agree you can definitely compete!!

[davesah1]

Thanks a lot guys.

Took these right before heading out this morning for shits and giggles.

[davesah1]

This is the closest I've gotten to be able to get a shot of my back about 14? days ago. It's hard to see, but the its there.... ill try the laptop to snap one eventually. Maybe ill even shave my legs for one picture, maybe.

[davesah1]

Just noticed this, but I got my last vial of Zues's piss from another vendor and my breathing is much heavier and strength is going up even more. Maybe its just catching up to me or its better stuff. I'm also getting mild night sweats starting a little over a week ago. Two weeks ago I started the different tren E.

Hmmm

[davesah1]

With a three second timer, this is about as good as it gets, lest it become Photo Booth cardio.

[NACH3]

With a three second timer, this is about as good as it gets, lest it become Photo Booth cardio.

Looking awesome - I can see it now... Hit the button and ran in and flexed hoping for the best lol - came out good - back looks great... Thick and popping

[Sir Lifts A Lot]

lol, I know i'm way late to this party... But this was an awesome log to follow.


Solid gains. Love the honesty in this log


Thanks dude.

[bigjohnny1]

Man a little late here. But You got some nice gains! thanks for log, pictures and all man!

[davesah1]

Damn it's been a while. Had a shit job/co-op in some area where the nearest gym was 30 minutes away and essentially was out the gym from May to early August.

Hit 230 pounds eating like a regular American and surprisingly (lol) my cholesterol took a shit.

Got one last semester to finish up and a nice opportunity to hit another stack. Did a quick recomp from Sept until now with using 50mgs Winny for 25 days and clen for two weeks.

Solely doing this to be bigger than this fake natty at my gym that just pisses me off and has a following of kids wearing bodybuilding.com t-shirts as he tries to push campus protien...

Sitting at 218 pounds currently with somewhat visible abs eating about 50-100 carbs a day until I get these compounds by the end of the month to hit it as with as much quality size as possible.

[davesah1]

Lets start Today. Would have liked to have remained "puffed down" but I just started eating around whopping 150 carbs a day.

Clocked in at 218. This is about 16 pounds heavier than my previous blast. I gotta have (hopefully) an extra three pounds of muscle out of that 16 pounds of weight. One can only hope.

P.S. I started the Tren E last week so its kicking in now as I start the NPP. Opted out of deca in case I can't handle the two 19-nor steroids, but tren or deca alone do not cause issues. Orals make me feel like ass, upping my test makes me feel foggy, EQ has a bad rap from most users on these boards, so I dont know what else there is to add to tren. Im not exceeding 600mgs of tren.

Not lean enough for masteron to be worth and its winter..... visible obliques are not my concern.