My grow season log - first bulk in years

[Windex]

Still no appetite change from the Monster Plex but I did go back to splitting MK677 into AM and PM and have notified a big surge in my appetite

[Livinlean]

Still no appetite change from the Monster Plex but I did go back to splitting MK677 into AM and PM and have notified a big surge in my appetite

Still no appetite change from the monster plex?

[Windex]

Still no appetite change from the monster plex?

I stopped on Day 6 due to the gym closures. Saving the rest for when gym reopens. I had no change in appetite however between THC/CBD, Injectable B12, and MK677 my appetite is always high.

[Windex]

Sent you a PM to inbox.

[Livinlean]

As stated above, I changed my diet to lower the calories due to less output.

I made choices like removing my tuna ahi bowl because 1) its not cheap 2) it was a great protein to freeze with this corona virus going around. The fact that I can thaw and eat is great so I froze about 8lbs and will order more once my deep freeze comes in.

New diet puts me at just under 3200 cals. 234 carb, 124 fat, 274 protein. Once my body starts craving more food, I will sub out my shake for a real meal. Once I need even more food after that, I will add a shake to start my day since I can conveniently make that before leaving my home for the day.

Choosing to hold off on intra workout drinks for now. I really only like them while using insulin.

Meal 1
3 eggs
4 oz chicken
2 slices cobs high fibre white bread
1 avocado

Meal 2
8oz chicken
150g white rice
1/2 cup beans
2 tbsp chipotle mayo
2 tbsp sour cream

Meal 3 (pre workout shake)
1.5 scoops isolate
1/2 banana
2 tbsp natural PB

Meal 4
8oz chicken thighs
150g white rice
1 tbsp coconut oil

Meal 5
8oz lean ground beef
8oz sweet potato

[Livinlean]

Just realized I forgot to post this but just over 2 weeks ago I stopped all upper body training altogether to help my shoulder heal. At that time I also decided to decrease my calories since I was switching to training 3 days a week which consisted of strictly legs.

Yesterday was my first day back hitting upper body and I chose to do back, today was chest. My supraspinatus felt fine although I still don't think I could do an over head press nor do I intend to attempt it too soon (unless I do a really light weight). The odd thing was that my front delt felt very weak but I felt it more so in the area of my bicep tendons. Sent over a text to my physiotherapist and he had a rehab routine over to me shortly and it seemed to help. Seems like I am at the point of now working through the pain to an extent.

My gear has stayed the same through this corona virus thing as I do have pretty much a full gym set up at home. 1000mg test, 1000mg deca, 600mg EQ. I decided not to lower my dose because it was just about to fully start kicking in and since I have equipment at my disposal, why bother.

My goal here is to do sets of 10 on each exercise and go as heavy as possible. I got to 225 bench for 10 with slow controlled negatives. 105 dumbbells for 8 slow controlled. Nothing crazy in terms of weight but a great step in the right direction. Feeling super motivated now to get everything back on track.

[Livinlean]

The new diet coupled with training regularly has me leaning out really nicely. I am down to 208 morning weight.

I just got my slingshot in the mail today just in time for bench press. I thought the stress relief off my shoulder would be helpful.

I am down 5lbs in about a week but filling out my shirts just fine. At this rate, I will be back on insulin and some sort of oral in about a week. I don't have a goal weight before doing this, more so about what I look like in the mirror. Increasing insulin sensitivity is the goal as stated earlier so I am looking at my fat deposits. Almost have my full 6 pack in however I am still holding a tiny bit of lower back fat. Looking like 10 weeks out right now so I will wait until I am about 8 week out shape and get the ball rolling.

I wont bother posting my lifts right now. I am logging them but I am doing a 4 second negative, no hold, 1 second explosion and 2 second flex to ensure proper engagement of all muscle during this "rehab" phase. Things are going really well and I am excited about the strength I have already regained in my shoulder... I can shoulder press 55s again but the only trick is I can not go full range of motion otherwise I get a pinching pain in my rotator so I need to go just below 90 so that I get no pain. It'll take time to work through this but that is to be expected.

[Windex]

I've got a nice blast coming up when this whole thing smooths over.

Current HRT:

450mg Primo
150mg Test
100 Deca
3IU GH
25mg MK677
20mg Cardarine
20mg Anavar
HCG
50mcg T4

Going to blast by adding in

Week 1-8

175mg Test(short ester blend)
525mg NPP
420mg Mast Prop
25mcg T3
50mcg T4

Day 14-24

210mg Tren Base per Day

Last 12 workouts : Monster-Plex Preworkout


Injectable Glutathione and Udoxyl from Day 1 for 12 weeks total.

Going to give BPC157+TB500 8 weeks after the blast.

[Livinlean]

I've got a nice blast coming up when this whole thing smooths over.

Current HRT:

450mg Primo
150mg Test
100 Deca
3IU GH
25mg MK677
20mg Cardarine
20mg Anavar
HCG
50mcg T4

Going to blast by adding in

Week 1-8

175mg Test(short ester blend)
525mg NPP
420mg Mast Prop
25mcg T3
50mcg T4

Day 14-24

210mg Tren Base per Day

Last 12 workouts : Monster-Plex Preworkout


Injectable Glutathione and Udoxyl from Day 1 for 12 weeks total.

Going to give BPC157+TB500 8 weeks after the blast.

Now that's a pretty looking cycle my friend! 210mg tren base per day??

[Windex]

Now that's a pretty looking cycle my friend! 210mg tren base per day??

Yes, 70mg 3X per day. Only for 10 days though

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Yes, 70mg 3X per day. Only for 10 days though

Assuming your Tren base is dosed at 70mg/ml?

Mines dosed at 50, and the most I ever did at one time as 200mg just as an experiment. I’m pretty sure my blood ran cold for the next 6 hours.

This should be a fun 10 days. Lucky you live in the cold. You try doing like that here in July when it’s 90 degrees and your body starts excreting sweat with the consistency of bacon grease. It’s... different.

[Windex]

Now that's a pretty looking cycle my friend! 210mg tren base per day??

Modifying my blast. Going to see whether I'm on team EQ or not beyond just cruising / HRT(o) applications.

Week 1-16

150mg Test
100mg Deca
300mg Primo
900mg EQ
20mg Var/day
3IU HGH/day
30mg Cardarine/day
37.5mg MK677/Day


Week 16-24

250mg Test
100mg Deca
300mg Primo
600mg Mast
900mg EQ
20mg Anavar/day
3IU HGH/day
30mg Cardarine/day
37.5mg MK677/Day

Last 10 days

DAILY:
210mg Tren Base
2CC MonsterPlex (1CC for AM hypertrophy session and 1CC for same in PM) so that would be
- Injectable 10mg Methyl Sten
- Injectable 10mg Superdrol
- Injectable 20mg Halotestin
- Injectable 2mg Oral Tren

[Livinlean]

Modifying my blast. Going to see whether I'm on team EQ or not beyond just cruising / HRT(o) applications.

Week 1-16

150mg Test
100mg Deca
300mg Primo
900mg EQ
20mg Var/day
3IU HGH/day
30mg Cardarine/day
37.5mg MK677/Day


Week 16-24

250mg Test
100mg Deca
300mg Primo
600mg Mast
900mg EQ
20mg Anavar/day
3IU HGH/day
30mg Cardarine/day
37.5mg MK677/Day

Last 10 days

DAILY:
210mg Tren Base
2CC MonsterPlex (1CC for AM hypertrophy session and 1CC for same in PM) so that would be
- Injectable 10mg Methyl Sten
- Injectable 10mg Superdrol
- Injectable 20mg Halotestin
- Injectable 2mg Oral Tren

That cycle looks wicked man!

I think I will be playing around with EQ as well. Im at 600 but intend on increasing that when I lower or drop my deca but I need to go through this log and jot down start dates for my compounds so I can come up with a plan. My next potential pro qualifier got moved from July to Aug so that gives me 16.5 or so weeks. I get lean fairly fast so I'm thinking I have about 5-7 weeks of bulking ahead of me here as long as I can keep it tight (visible abs)

Just ordered myself some injectable dbol and superdrol. The next one I will be trying is that monsterplex you posted... Seems interesting for sure.

[Windex]

Hopefully that shoulder is back in business quickly

[Livinlean]

Morning weight: 209lbs

Yesterday I decided I would transition to a lean bulk. I added an intra shake of 50g carbs (2 scoops clusterbomb by redcon). Today I will also add 2 scoops of isolate protein post workout followed by my regular meal. These two additions bring my calories to 3617 with 288 carb, 126 fat and 326 protein.

Also added in 50mg anadrol taken pre workout as well as 7-10iu humalog pre workout.

Shoulder rebab is going great. I am able to do a lot of movements that I could not before. I can dumbbell shoulder press 45s, anything heavier gives me a pinching feeling but I seem to be able to do 5lbs more each day. I can also lateral raise without any pain. I'm not sure if the addition of anavar had any effect, it seems too soon as I've only added it 3 weeks ago and at 20mg but whatever it is, im happy to finally be able to lift like normal. Now it's time to regain my strength.

[Windex]

Morning weight: 209lbs

Yesterday I decided I would transition to a lean bulk. I added an intra shake of 50g carbs (2 scoops clusterbomb by redcon). Today I will also add 2 scoops of isolate protein post workout followed by my regular meal. These two additions bring my calories to 3617 with 288 carb, 126 fat and 326 protein.

Also added in 50mg anadrol taken pre workout as well as 7-10iu humalog pre workout.

Shoulder rebab is going great. I am able to do a lot of movements that I could not before. I can dumbbell shoulder press 45s, anything heavier gives me a pinching feeling but I seem to be able to do 5lbs more each day. I can also lateral raise without any pain. I'm not sure if the addition of anavar had any effect, it seems too soon as I've only added it 3 weeks ago and at 20mg but whatever it is, im happy to finally be able to lift like normal. Now it's time to regain my strength.

Is it Syn Anavar and is it dosed at 10mg per tab? Just started on Anavar myself recently. 20mg/day

[Livinlean]

Is it Syn Anavar and is it dosed at 10mg per tab? Just started on Anavar myself recently. 20mg/day

Yes sir, it is syn dosed at 10mg per tab so I take 2 tabs. Plan on running it for another 4-6 weeks or so. I'm not sure if its making a difference but i'm not willing to go off and find out that it was.

[Livinlean]

So at this point I have been on:
EQ for 5 weeks
Test and deca for 10 weeks

I won't be tampering with these dosages. Instead I will run this for another 6.5 weeks which will take me to 10 weeks out. At that point I will drop the deca and wait two weeks before adding in tren A. That's if this show actually happens but I'm thinking I will have a pretty good idea at around the 10 week out mark of whether a show is a possibility or not... Right now I highly doubt it but I also don't want to regret not being able to do it because I'm "too fat".

This is keeping me in check for my bulk as well. We all know its easier to pack on quality muscle when insulin sensitivity is in check and considering I will still be consuming a minimum of 3800 calories (and ramping up), I'll be in a pretty good spot to pack on lean tissue.

I will post my updated diet later including my humalog plan which I started 3-4 days ago.

[Livinlean]

Current diet:
Meal 1
3 duck eggs
250g potato
2 scoops vegan protein in a veggie smoothie with spinach, red peppers, carrots and cucumbers

Meal 2
8oz chicken
150g white rice
1/2 cup beans
2 tbsp chipotle mayo
2 tbsp sour cream

Meal 3 (pre workout shake)
1.5 scoops isolate
1/2 banana
2 tbsp natural PB

60mins pre workout 3.5iu pharm HGH
15mins pre workout 10iu humalog

Intra workout shake:
1 cup pomegranate
2 scoops carb powder (cluster bomb)
5g Leucine, 5g creatine, 10g glutamine

Meal 5 (post workout shake)
2 cups egg whites
1 cup blueberries
30g carbs from oats or cream of rice

Meal 5
8oz chicken thighs
150g white rice
2 cups mixed veggies (bok choy, broccoli, cauliflower)

Meal 6
8oz lean ground beef
8oz sweet potato

4190 cals, 390 carb, 120 fat, 379 protein

This is my base diet but depending on the day, I am still hungry. As long as my abs stay in check I won't be shying away from snacks but I won't substitute one of these meals for sweets or cheats. The exception would be Saturday nights when I replace my beef meal with burgers or whatever cheat meal Im craving that week. I'll start posting my AM weigh ins here again as well as everything is once again on point and my body is near fully recovered. Also need to get some progress pictures taken but damn I'm a hairy beast right now lol

[Ferenor]

Cool log, following

[Livinlean]

AM weigh in: 209LB.

Even tho everyone around me tells me I'm getting bigger and thinks I'm doing a proper bulk, my weight stays the same all while looking leaner in the mirror. This pharm grade GH seems to be working wonders. I also think the fact that I am training upper body again may play a role in everyone thinking i'm bulking, I must have been deflated to some extent with that 3-4 weeks period I took off from upper body training.

Got in a pretty good back workout yesterday. Been really focusing on my form for pull ups and I feel a lot more lat engagement. I was never huge on assisted pull ups but I use them for a warm up before going body weight and it really helps me engage. Lats are my weak point currently as that is the feedback I received from the judges... I need wider lats alongside deeper abs.

Just finished up 30 minutes of fasted cardio on my rowing machine which is placed infront of my tv. Man was it tough for the first half, my back was so stiff... I haven't been sore like this in ages.

Initially I had my GH dose pre fasted cardio to help with fat loss. I have now switched it to pre workout to help pack on some more size. At some point If I can get my hands on more supply I will split the dose and take it before fasted cardio and again before my workout but considering I have enough to run 3.5iu per day, I will keep the dose to once daily for now until I can get closer to 4.5-5IU.

[Windex]

AM weigh in: 209LB.

Even tho everyone around me tells me I'm getting bigger and thinks I'm doing a proper bulk, my weight stays the same all while looking leaner in the mirror. This pharm grade GH seems to be working wonders. I also think the fact that I am training upper body again may play a role in everyone thinking i'm bulking, I must have been deflated to some extent with that 3-4 weeks period I took off from upper body training.

Got in a pretty good back workout yesterday. Been really focusing on my form for pull ups and I feel a lot more lat engagement. I was never huge on assisted pull ups but I use them for a warm up before going body weight and it really helps me engage. Lats are my weak point currently as that is the feedback I received from the judges... I need wider lats alongside deeper abs.

Just finished up 30 minutes of fasted cardio on my rowing machine which is placed infront of my tv. Man was it tough for the first half, my back was so stiff... I haven't been sore like this in ages.

Initially I had my GH dose pre fasted cardio to help with fat loss. I have now switched it to pre workout to help pack on some more size. At some point If I can get my hands on more supply I will split the dose and take it before fasted cardio and again before my workout but considering I have enough to run 3.5iu per day, I will keep the dose to once daily for now until I can get closer to 4.5-5IU.

Which GH are you using ?

[Livinlean]

Which GH are you using ?

Lilly humatrope. I've got the cartridge without the pen so dosing can get a bit tricky sometimes lol

[Ferenor]

Damn seeing you somehow 100 kg lean make me want to cut some fat lol

[Livinlean]

Damn seeing you somehow 100 kg lean make me want to cut some fat lol

Im just under 100kg right now... Sitting at 95.5kg but the goal is to get closer to 100 with abs before I start cutting.

Welcome to the forum man! I just realized your first post was on this thread lol

[Ferenor]

Thank you. My road is a bit longer but I guess "we are all gonna make it brah" hahah

[Livinlean]

Am weigh in: 206.6lb.

Last night I ran out of beef so I subbed that meal out for 2 burgers, fries and soda. Somehow I'm down from my weigh in a couple days ago. I wasn't expecting or planning to drop weight with a 4200 calorie diet but with fasted cardio in place, I'm getting leaner while staying full and round. Too early to increase calories plus I usually cheat on Friday, Sat and Sunday nights anyways... At least 2 out of 3 of those dinners will be take out so if I make changes, it will be early next week.

Attaching a picture I took a couple days ago post workout. Haven't had the chance to trim and get full progress pics done but I plan on doing so within the next week here so I can better gauge my progress.

[kelkel]

Arms look great!

[Livinlean]

Arms look great!

Thanks Kel

[Livinlean]

My weight was hovering around 206-207 so I decided its time I start trying to build some muscle back. Abs are very visible and the goal is to keep them this way. I will be adding humalog at a hefty dose pre workout followed by a smaller dose post workout. Cardio will stay in at 20 minutes fasted everyday. Lantus on hand to add at some point but I may not end up doing so as insulin sensitivity is my primary concern here and lantus seemed to ruin that quite fast last time. The way I see it, the longer I keep my insulin sensitivity in check, the longer I can run insulin and keep seeing results.

Diet wise, I have decreased fats to make room for more carbs. My total caloric intake has risen only 145 calories over the past plan posted on April 13th. Humalog 15iu pre workout followed by 10iu post workout will be the insulin protocol and I will adjust dosage and increase carb intake every few days as needed.

Current diet:
Meal 1
3 Large eggs
200g potato
2 scoops vegan protein in a veggie smoothie with spinach, red peppers, carrots and cucumbers

Meal 2
8oz chicken
150g white rice
1/2 cup beans
2 tbsp chipotle mayo
2 tbsp sour cream

Meal 3
8oz chicken thighs
150g white rice
1 cup mixed veggies (bok choy, broccoli, cauliflower)

60mins pre workout 3.5iu pharm HGH
15mins pre workout 15iu humalog

Intra workout shake:
1 cup pure pomegranate juice
2 scoops carb powder (cluster bomb)
1 scoop hydrolysate protein
5g Leucine, 10g creatine, 20g glutamine

Immediately post workout 10iu Humalog

Meal 5 (post workout shake)
2 cups egg whites
1 cup blueberries
1 cup oats
20g honey

Meal 5
6oz lean ground beef
8oz sweet potato
100g white rice

Meal 6
2 scoops protein
1/2 cup oats
1 tbsp PB

4335 cals, 458 carb, 96 fat, 394 protein

[Windex]

My weight was hovering around 206-207 so I decided its time I start trying to build some muscle back. Abs are very visible and the goal is to keep them this way. I will be adding humalog at a hefty dose pre workout followed by a smaller dose post workout. Cardio will stay in at 20 minutes fasted everyday. Lantus on hand to add at some point but I may not end up doing so as insulin sensitivity is my primary concern here and lantus seemed to ruin that quite fast last time. The way I see it, the longer I keep my insulin sensitivity in check, the longer I can run insulin and keep seeing results.

Diet wise, I have decreased fats to make room for more carbs. My total caloric intake has risen only 145 calories over the past plan posted on April 13th. Humalog 15iu pre workout followed by 10iu post workout will be the insulin protocol and I will adjust dosage and increase carb intake every few days as needed.

Current diet:
Meal 1
3 Large eggs
200g potato
2 scoops vegan protein in a veggie smoothie with spinach, red peppers, carrots and cucumbers

Meal 2
8oz chicken
150g white rice
1/2 cup beans
2 tbsp chipotle mayo
2 tbsp sour cream

Meal 3
8oz chicken thighs
150g white rice
1 cup mixed veggies (bok choy, broccoli, cauliflower)

60mins pre workout 3.5iu pharm HGH
15mins pre workout 15iu humalog

Intra workout shake:
1 cup pure pomegranate juice
2 scoops carb powder (cluster bomb)
1 scoop hydrolysate protein
5g Leucine, 10g creatine, 20g glutamine

Immediately post workout 10iu Humalog

Meal 5 (post workout shake)
2 cups egg whites
1 cup blueberries
1 cup oats
20g honey

Meal 5
6oz lean ground beef
8oz sweet potato
100g white rice

Meal 6
2 scoops protein
1/2 cup oats
1 tbsp PB

4335 cals, 458 carb, 96 fat, 394 protein

How's digestion / bloating with protein at 394g?

Curious to know the methodology behind the intro workout shake. Why the juice versus other options? and 10 vs 5 for creatine. I'm not an insulin user.

[kelkel]

I'm not an insulin user.

Me either as it still scares me, but damn I hate it when I hear how effective guys claim it is....

[Livinlean]

Me either as it still scares me, but damn I hate it when I hear how effective guys claim it is....

I won't say its overrated but its definitely not for everyone and I feel like "effectiveness" is blown out of proportion. For a beginner, its a game changer mainly because you get the most insane pumps. Now, if you're a seasoned vet and already have the mind muscle connection down and have trained with BFR bands (so you know what an intense pump feels like), insulin will likely not give you insane pumps... Personally I don't feel anything over and above what I feel without insulin. Nutrient partitioning is my main reason. If I have an insane chest day and eat my ass half, I am that much stronger next chest day.

To each their own. I know pro's who have never used it and on the other hand I know amateur gym rats who claim it is the holy grail.

[Windex]

Me either as it still scares me, but damn I hate it when I hear how effective guys claim it is....

Did you pull the trigger on MK677 ?

[Livinlean]

How's digestion / bloating with protein at 394g?

Curious to know the methodology behind the intro workout shake. Why the juice versus other options? and 10 vs 5 for creatine. I'm not an insulin user.

It's funny that you mention the digesting/bloating because it's been hell today. Digestion seems okay (no gas etc) but I am definitely bloated. I will be reducing my meat servings to 6oz... Don't seem to be getting hungry as I should be. I also started a probiotic a couple days ago with the idea that it would help with the higher protein intake. I may also need to add digestive enzymes..

As far as my creatine and glutamine dose goes, I really just took Mike Arnolds template of 5g creatine and 10g glutamine in 2 separate shakes but went ahead and combined it into 1 shake which I sip on during my workout. I think I could get away with half the dose (as it seems like you were hinting as well) but at the same time, MA and Milos both have higher amounts of creatine in their protocols so I just went with it.

I've always done juice in my intra with another carb source for really no reason other than I wanted to. It used to be pineapple juice or whatever else I had, always pure so I could justify it as getting my fruits in lol... Only recently have I started using pomegranate juice due to its prostate health and heart health benefits as outlined by Dante Trudel. Here's a post where Dante talks about this https://www.instagram.com/p/BvsXumSDKzI/?hl=en

[Windex]

It's funny that you mention the digesting/bloating because it's been hell today. Digestion seems okay (no gas etc) but I am definitely bloated. I will be reducing my meat servings to 6oz... Don't seem to be getting hungry as I should be. I also started a probiotic a couple days ago with the idea that it would help with the higher protein intake. I may also need to add digestive enzymes..

As far as my creatine and glutamine dose goes, I really just took Mike Arnolds template of 5g creatine and 10g glutamine in 2 separate shakes but went ahead and combined it into 1 shake which I sip on during my workout. I think I could get away with half the dose (as it seems like you were hinting as well) but at the same time, MA and Milos both have higher amounts of creatine in their protocols so I just went with it.

I've always done juice in my intra with another carb source for really no reason other than I wanted to. It used to be pineapple juice or whatever else I had, always pure so I could justify it as getting my fruits in lol... Only recently have I started using pomegranate juice due to its prostate health and heart health benefits as outlined by Dante Trudel. Here's a post where Dante talks about this https://www.instagram.com/p/BvsXumSDKzI/?hl=en

I use to get a lot of gas and bloating with similar macros which is why I asked. I thought it was dairy at first but just my body I suppose. I generally don't go over 250ish gram of protein in a meal plan for myself.

I've watched a few videos from Milos Sarcev as well as listening to a few big names talk about his protocols. He almost sold me on trying insulin. I think if I never touched DNP I'd be willing to try it.

Which Carb powder and protein powder are you using? With the juice do you use unflavoured? I like the idea of a fitness shake mixologist and combining fruity flavours.

I have thought about Johns intra workout shake recommendation. All the cluster dextrin products seem crazy expensive unless i'm looking in the wrong place.

[Livinlean]

Yesterday I weighed in at 207.6, today 210.6. The only difference being the insulin. I missed my beef meal (750 calories) and still somehow weighed in 3lbs heavier. Shirt is much tighter today and I look really full/round. Let's see how this goes.

[kelkel]

My scale fucks with me. One day I'm where I should be and the next I'm 5 lbs lighter. It's either female or needs batteries, or both.

[Livinlean]

I've done the gatorade powder idea as well. Added pineapple juice and vanilla protein powder to it. I've never really been huge on adding BCAA to my intra, I would always just opt for 0.5-1 scoops of hydro protein.

Fouad's pre workout is pretty good. Im basing my opinion on a single sample that I got from him at last year's Canadian nationals and I would imagine the rest of his line being top notch as well. The energy from his pre was good (although i'm pretty caffeine sensitive) and the pumps were unreal. The thing is I have a wholesale account for my supplements so I likely will not be purchasing his products until they are sold in stores... Just can't justify paying more than double the price.

Have not noticed anything in terms of minimum order pricing. I have a local rep so I wouldn't know anyways... guess I'm kinda lucky that way. I can't argue with the tried and true method. I tried something different with this cycle, I prefer NPP at about 600mg but I chose to try deca at a higher dose of 1000mg. I kind of wish I stuck to NPP as the strength was a lot better. I honestly do not feel like I am on a gram of deca at all. Puts things into perspective for me realizing that 600 NPP does more for me than 1000mg of deca. With that said, it's all an experiment... I wouldn't have known if I didn't try. Kind of actually debating dropping the deca when I run out (I have 1/4 bottle left) and just switching to NPP but it just seems like a waste of time to do that now.

[Windex]

I've done the gatorade powder idea as well. Added pineapple juice and vanilla protein powder to it. I've never really been huge on adding BCAA to my intra, I would always just opt for 0.5-1 scoops of hydro protein.

Fouad's pre workout is pretty good. Im basing my opinion on a single sample that I got from him at last year's Canadian nationals and I would imagine the rest of his line being top notch as well. The energy from his pre was good (although i'm pretty caffeine sensitive) and the pumps were unreal. The thing is I have a wholesale account for my supplements so I likely will not be purchasing his products until they are sold in stores... Just can't justify paying more than double the price.

Have not noticed anything in terms of minimum order pricing. I have a local rep so I wouldn't know anyways... guess I'm kinda lucky that way. I can't argue with the tried and true method. I tried something different with this cycle, I prefer NPP at about 600mg but I chose to try deca at a higher dose of 1000mg. I kind of wish I stuck to NPP as the strength was a lot better. I honestly do not feel like I am on a gram of deca at all. Puts things into perspective for me realizing that 600 NPP does more for me than 1000mg of deca. With that said, it's all an experiment... I wouldn't have known if I didn't try. Kind of actually debating dropping the deca when I run out (I have 1/4 bottle left) and just switching to NPP but it just seems like a waste of time to do that now.

Makes sense on the supplements. I discovered a company / online store called "Canada Protein". Aside from selling protein you can also buy things like carb powder in bulk. Cluster Dextrin is only $60 for 2kg. I don't know how relevant the other ingredients are in terms of cofactors when I read the labels of the brands.

Battle Juice was another highly totes product but $60 for 20 servings is highway robbery to me.

I think I can make my own makeshift intro workout using raw ingredients