So how many believe in God?

[Kärnfysikern]

Quantum theory allowes something to get created from nothing(atleast partialy, dont quote me on it though I dont know much about it ).
And to be honest I find the thought that this all is just a big random event to be almost more fascinating then the thought of a supreme beeing creating it all.

I do belive in a higher power, but I do think that beeing(beeing's maby, why should there be just one?)cares for us about as much as we care for ants. It is probably so superior to us that we cant even begin to understand its actions anymore then a ant can understand why that big foot just crushed his pal.

I belive that for every advancement we make, for every scientific breakthrough we get one step closer to that beeing and sometime in the distante future we will be the gods. Maby in a billion years a human(or what we humans have developed to in that time)will go and create life on a planet and be a god over that life.

One thing that would almost convince me that there is no god is if scientists manages to create life out of non living material. Then the chanses that all this is just a random event seems alot more plausible then a invisible guy snapping his fingers and creating everything.

I belive something happens after death, but what I have no clue about. I am a firm beliver in ghosts atleast.
The thought of eternal life seems horrible, I mean even if a heaven exists, even if it is truly wonderfull. Would it not become boring after a million years??
I would much rather be a spirit free to roam the universe as I se fit, because the beauty of the universe is simply breathtaking.

[Kärnfysikern]

one of my physics proffesors wrote a thing in one of his books that stuck in my mind.

Basicly he has come to terms that the univers will keep on expanding and that entropy will rule and that in the end the universe will be one big frozen lifeless picture. But he wrote "maby that picture will be beautifull and maby we can make a difference on how that picture will look".

Cant realy express myself the correct way on english and cant translate his thoughts in a good way but thats basicly it. It sounded like he thought the whole meaning of creation and our lifes will be to shape that picture. Its a nice way of looking at things. It kind of makes god(if he exists) into an artist I guess

sorry if I strayed a bit from the topic

[Dude-Man]

one of my physics proffesors wrote a thing in one of his books that stuck in my mind.

Basicly he has come to terms that the univers will keep on expanding and that entropy will rule and that in the end the universe will be one big frozen lifeless picture. But he wrote "maby that picture will be beautifull and maby we can make a difference on how that picture will look".

Cant realy express myself the correct way on english and cant translate his thoughts in a good way but thats basicly it. It sounded like he thought the whole meaning of creation and our lifes will be to shape that picture. Its a nice way of looking at things. It kind of makes god(if he exists) into an artist I guess

sorry if I strayed a bit from the topic

johan, i've read that instead, the universe is accelerating at an increasing rate, being pulled ever faster outwards with all matter and energy having a near equal momentum. Everything will continue to accelerate faster and faster until an ultimate end, where all atoms themselves are ripped apart within an instant. There will be a finite end, when the smallest subatomic particles are destroyed as well.

It's essentially the same idea as a ****ty car falling apart as it goes faster.

[hoss827]

johan, i've read that instead, the universe is accelerating at an increasing rate, being pulled ever faster outwards with all matter and energy having a near equal momentum. Everything will continue to accelerate faster and faster until an ultimate end, where all atoms themselves are ripped apart within an instant. There will be a finite end, when the smallest subatomic particles are destroyed as well.

It's essentially the same idea as a ****ty car falling apart as it goes faster.

Good way of putting it, lol.

[Kärnfysikern]

johan, i've read that instead, the universe is accelerating at an increasing rate, being pulled ever faster outwards with all matter and energy having a near equal momentum. Everything will continue to accelerate faster and faster until an ultimate end, where all atoms themselves are ripped apart within an instant. There will be a finite end, when the smallest subatomic particles are destroyed as well.

It's essentially the same idea as a ****ty car falling apart as it goes faster.

Ive read about the acceleration but never thought it would go as far as even ripping apart matter in that way I guess we wont have an complete answere to this until some egghead figures out what is causing the acceleration(would be cool if that egghead was me 8 years into the future )

[Terinox]

The thought of eternal life seems horrible, I mean even if a heaven exists, even if it is truly wonderfull. Would it not become boring after a million years??
I would much rather be a spirit free to roam the universe as I se fit, because the beauty of the universe is simply breathtaking.

Oh man, dude, I've thought about this so much too. It would be just so amazing to be able to travel the universe, and I mean going ANYWHERE in it, in a matter of seconds. Something I know only exists in Star Trek worlds, LOL!! But being able to do that, say after death, would be one hell of a bonus

[Kärnfysikern]

Oh man, dude, I've thought about this so much too. It would be just so amazing to be able to travel the universe, and I mean going ANYWHERE in it, in a matter of seconds. Something I know only exists in Star Trek worlds, LOL!! But being able to do that, say after death, would be one hell of a bonus

Seeing everything there is to se and then eternal rest. What a glorious peacefull ending it would be.
We can only hope thats what happens after death

[50%Natural]

Insightful posts fellas.
Pheedno, I was doubting your logic until you were called out on it.
Pt, pm me with your experinces. I'd love to read them.
Mr. Sparkle, I agree with you 100%
Cycleon, great posts as usual
I didn't read everyone's posts but I did most. I am with everyone who said they don't believe in the church. I know when the church was created it wasn't suppose to be like this. I find the avid church goers very hypicritical and snobby. They wouldn't give a dying bum a nickel.
I totally believe in christ, and it goes to the morals that cycleon mentioned. Growing up in a good family setting and normal conditions, one will grow up to realize morals. I say normal becuase there have been many situations and studies done that show without proper care and attention from a parent, a child can't develope naturally. So, if you grow up and you are shown love and attention, most everyone develops a sense of right and wrong. You just know something is wrong when you do it. Ever stolen baseball cards or gum as a kid and felt bad about it? I have. Anyway, I don't ever force my beliefs on anyone because I know people don't want to hear that but I am always interested in discussing religion and its origin.
BTW, cycelon, they have found noahs ark. It is located on mt....crap, can't remember, in turkey. Just look it up on the net. There are satelite photos of it. The turkish govt. won't let any one go and look at it though. Its a shame.
Anyway, that would match up correctly with the old testament flood. After the flood, noah had three sons it said, one went south and it says became the father to the the dark(africa). BTW, I'm not quoting, but recalling. Another went east (settled china) and one went west (settled europe). From that story and the fact that the arc is located I'd believe the stories of the old testament.
Sorry, I know I got a little off track but since the arc was mentioned, i'd thought i'd share.
Anyway, great discussion fellas.

[CutieFace]

Yes, I do believe in God, and must say that w/ what I've dealt with the past 2 years it definetly helped to sit quietly and pray....I truly do beieve that you're dealt out what you can handle and what you're dealt with will make you a stronger person......

Cutie

[50%Natural]

jason, that hurt my eyes, pm me dude

[50%Natural]

if you want to discuss this matter, then please do it an intellegent fashion, thanks
it is thoughtless if you just make a response with no backing

[PTbyJason]

It's cleaned up now.

I had a feeling this would happen eventually. I know this is the lounge, but some of us take this subject very seriously. If you don't care to discuss this seriously, please just move on and don't bother posting.

[mass junkie]

Anyone who has children knows that their are both a god and a devil

[ripsid]

Anyone who has children knows that their are both a god and a devil

Mass bro, you must spend time at my house! Because you'd see!
I have 3 beautiful kids! and they all have a change in personality at anytime!

SID

EAGLES SUCK!

[50%Natural]

Hey, pt, hit me up on the pms bro.

[PTbyJason]

Hey, pt, hit me up on the pms bro.

I know bro, I'm sorry about the delay. I owe one or two other people my story too. I will hit you up either later today or tomorrow. I have you on my list of people to PM about it.

[hoss827]

Dont worry about the editing you did Jason, it's all good bro.

[echobeach]

I believe in God.

Johan - Eternity will never, ever get boring mate, you see it's just like the mathematical concept of Infinity - our limited, Earth bound minds cannot actually fully grasp the concept of something that goes on without end.

I don't think I should get all philosophical here but just for a moment think about the number 3.14159265.....or 22/7, which is PI.

This little bugger is a number that as far as we can tell has no end - and we've had some pretty big computers have a shot at it - something like a 'gazillion' decimal places without any sign of repitition.

So PI by itself can 'for now' at least be used to prove infinity - which is nice.

Because again without in depth discussion - a Universe with theoretical infinte bounds could only come about from creation by an Infinite God - that is a really big conceptual step and it would take heaps and heaps of quotes/discussion etc to back it up...it's just what I beleive.

But as far as what this has to do with God and how you percieve Him - I have to agree with most of the Athiests/Agnositcs - over time there has been an incredibly huge amount of injustice, atrocities, and just plain wrong behaviour committed in the name of God.

I don't think anyone can say for sure why He lets it happen, and I also know it's real hard to beleive in Him at times...

When you see a little child dying in hospital from some disease or car accident, or hear about the latest terrorist attack and how ever many hundreds have died from it, I know - it's REAL hard to accept that a loving God would allow such things...

There are precious few certainties in this life and for me one of em' is that someday we'll all have the answers to all our own little questions - of this I am sure.

Peace.

[Kärnfysikern]

I believe in God.

Johan - Eternity will never, ever get boring mate, you see it's just like the mathematical concept of Infinity - our limited, Earth bound minds cannot actually fully grasp the concept of something that goes on without end.

I don't think I should get all philosophical here but just for a moment think about the number 3.14159265.....or 22/7, which is PI.

This little bugger is a number that as far as we can tell has no end - and we've had some pretty big computers have a shot at it - something like a 'gazillion' decimal places without any sign of repitition.

So PI by itself can 'for now' at least be used to prove infinity - which is nice.

Because again without in depth discussion - a Universe with theoretical infinte bounds could only come about from creation by an Infinite God - that is a really big conceptual step and it would take heaps and heaps of quotes/discussion etc to back it up...it's just what I beleive.

I guess black holes are also something infinite.
One thought I have often played around with is that I would just before I am about do die plunge down into a black hole. The closer I would get to the event horizon the slower time would get. It would be like watching the entire universe evolve into its final stages right before ones eye. Theoreticly a inifintly long time would pass before my eyes before I have droped below the event horizon then I would be in for the ride of my life

One scientific argument I can come upp with against the thought of a god is that considering latest research indicates there are a infinite amount of dimensions created for every choise made covering all possible outcomes. Countless amounts of parallel dimensions. Considering all those options then no matter how unlikely something is to happen it will happen. So no matter how unlikely it is for a universe to be created that can harbor life it will happen(us for instance and probably infinite ammounts of other universe that harbor life)just because of probability laws. All we have to figure out is if life can be created by itself randomly or if it is impossible to create life from lifeless matter.
If it can happen randomly then we are probably just a "accident".
No matter how unlikely something is ,it WILL happen sooner or later given enough time.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Have you ever talked to those little kids with cancer? Man some of those kids have more faith that I do. They encourage me. They know where they are going when they die, and they know its not too long off. Some cant wait to get to heaven. They know that their pain will go away. God has a greater plan that we cant see, so that gives me hope for those people who randomly die. But dont get me wrong it is still sad and tragic

-MS

[Vidooch]

I totally believe in God - the highest being, Jesus Christ, and all the Bible's teachings including life after death. My main reasoning for this isn't because of a sense of personal comfort for one's mortality, but rather that.....well lets just say that i might not even be here today and i definitely would not be the same person if it wasn't for God's blessing and guidance. My only worry is that I hope I reach heaven when its all said and done because I do have a great deal of sins on my soul. Sorry for blabbing too long.

[PTbyJason]

My only worry is that I hope I reach heaven when its all said and done because I do have a great deal of sins on my soul. Sorry for blabbing too long.

Bro once you are forgiven, you are forgiven. Let it go. The past is in the past, don't live in it today. God forgave you for it; now forgive yourself.

[TheSevnthWarrior]

Bro once you are forgiven, you are forgiven. Let it go. The past is in the past, don't live in it today. God forgave you for it; now forgive yourself.

"I will NEVER leave you nor forsake you"
Hebrews 13:5
You're paid for Brother, and the reciept is written in Blood, and the Demons Tremble at the site of it. Let it go.

[TheSevnthWarrior]

Right on Jason, I never knew you felt that way.
And Everything you said is SPOT ON!
I used to go to a "Traditional" church, Now I go to the Coolest Church, "CC" if you are familiar with that you'll know...Non-Denomenational, not a bunch of rules and regulations and Man Built Doctrines - Just Jesus man....no judging, no stares, no whispers, no guilt...Just Jesus. Everybody at my church has been there, and they know it...That Self Righteous Crap is better left at the Door...It's all paid for, and you didn't pay for it, he did. There are about 15 Gear AND Spirit filled guys at my Church...and nobody questions it.
TSW

[TheSevnthWarrior]

Mindless inanimate objects, matter, anti-matter, primortial Soup, whatever, did not, ever, at anytime, "Decide" to become "Organic" and "Create" "life"....it's simply preposturous, I'm not trying to offend anyone, it just is. You look at a Machine, even a simple one, and it's painfully obvious that someONE created it, and yet, usually out of convenience to set ourselves free from absolutes, choose to believe that something as infinately more complex in absolutely every way as the Universe, just randomly happen??? Please.
This board isn't big enough, nor is any platform, to actually, efficently discuss such a topic that has survived the ages, so I leave you with this:
If random, what, where, how, is the beggining? If "Big Bang"...What went "Bang"...If self deciding, self "Creating" Primortial soup "Colided" with matter...What Primortial Soup? What Matter?
Even if you clean the slate of what took placec, or even when, where, and how, (forget the why, which is THE most important) and leave it open to just a Clean Slate Universe....What Universe did these "Happenings" take place in??
Answer=Creator, it's up to you to choose to be brave enough to accept it. I never wanted to, but I now do, and Freedom was my reward.
BTW, you're All Friends regardless, please know that if nothing else.

[tryingtogetbig]

If "Big Bang"...What went "Bang"...If self deciding, self "Creating" Primortial soup "Colided" with matter...What Primortial Soup? What Matter?

Good point!!!!

peace,

ttgb

[PTbyJason]

Answer=Creator, it's up to you to choose to be brave enough to accept it. I never wanted to, but I now do, and Freedom was my reward.
BTW, you're All Friends regardless, please know that if nothing else.

I couldn't agree more bro.

Believing in a God is hard for people, and even when you commit your life to Him sometimes you still have your doubts. Everyone wants to hold on to their physical life, even Christians do. It is so hard at times to quit holding on. I mean let's face it, the more we let go, God may want us to do something we don't really want to do. But when you let go and follow Him it's such a wonderful feeling. Knowing what I know now, I hate that I ever had doubts in the past. I don't really know what to say to others sometimes. I guess you either choose to believe or not to believe. I know that if you just spend some time praying and asking God to show you the way to Him, he will give you a path. If you choose to blame it on coincidence or take it as evidence of Him, that is a choice. But I can tell you right now, the things that He does, are not coincidences.

I hate to even say this because I don't want to sound like I am pressuring people. Please, please understand that no matter what you believe, I am a friend of yours. There are people on this thread that are completely confident that there is a loving, all-powerful God and then others give out various reasons why they think there isn't a God. Why do some throw out random guesses and hypothesis as to why God couldn't be the one behind it all, but the people who believe can look you square in the eye and know that there is a God in heaven? I have no doubts and I don't fear death or anything else that you can do to me in my physical life, my mind won't change. How confident are you in what you believe?

I'm sorry if I pushed it a little bit with what I said, but God is too important to me to sit here and pretend like I don't care about each of your salvations.

[Kärnfysikern]

I hate to even say this because I don't want to sound like I am pressuring people. Please, please understand that no matter what you believe, I am a friend of yours. There are people on this thread that are completely confident that there is a loving, all-powerful God and then others give out various reasons why they think there isn't a God. Why do some throw out random guesses and hypothesis as to why God couldn't be the one behind it all, but the people who believe can look you square in the eye and know that there is a God in heaven? I have no doubts and I don't fear death or anything else that you can do to me in my physical life, my mind won't change. How confident are you in what you believe?

I'm sorry if I pushed it a little bit with what I said, but God is too important to me to sit here and pretend like I don't care about each of your salvations.

I dont doubt you or anyone elses faith. I just cant understand how you can have so much faith in something that yet can not be prove to exists
If you dont mind shot me that pm with your experiences and maby Il understand better.

[PTbyJason]

I dont doubt you or anyone elses faith. I just cant understand how you can have so much faith in something that yet can not be prove to exists
If you dont mind shot me that pm with your experiences and maby Il understand better.

Proof is easy, letting go and letting God take control is the hard part. I will hit you up with a PM either this weekend or on Monday.

[hoss827]

Proof is easy, letting go and letting God take control is the hard part. I will hit you up with a PM either this weekend or on Monday.

Exactly, God may just be testing His faith in you Johan. I've had experiences as well, if you would like to hear about them , let me know and I'll PM you too.

[Kärnfysikern]

Mindless inanimate objects, matter, anti-matter, primortial Soup, whatever, did not, ever, at anytime, "Decide" to become "Organic" and "Create" "life"....it's simply preposturous, I'm not trying to offend anyone, it just is. You look at a Machine, even a simple one, and it's painfully obvious that someONE created it, and yet, usually out of convenience to set ourselves free from absolutes, choose to believe that something as infinately more complex in absolutely every way as the Universe, just randomly happen??? Please.
This board isn't big enough, nor is any platform, to actually, efficently discuss such a topic that has survived the ages, so I leave you with this:
If random, what, where, how, is the beggining? If "Big Bang"...What went "Bang"...If self deciding, self "Creating" Primortial soup "Colided" with matter...What Primortial Soup? What Matter?
Even if you clean the slate of what took placec, or even when, where, and how, (forget the why, which is THE most important) and leave it open to just a Clean Slate Universe....What Universe did these "Happenings" take place in??
Answer=Creator, it's up to you to choose to be brave enough to accept it. I never wanted to, but I now do, and Freedom was my reward.
BTW, you're All Friends regardless, please know that if nothing else.

Im gonna try now and explain my belifes better. I am a very bitter, self loathing depressed human beeing and there is nothing I would like more then to belive in a higher power. But I just cant bring myself to have faith in a invisible entity that has never in any way proven his existanse to me
Im kind of balancing on the middle, I have neither chose to belive or not to belive in a god. Im trying to find my way. From my point of view the theory that everything is just a random even is just as plausible as the theory(not trying to offend anyone here, thats just my way of looking at it)about a creator.
But I think its harder not to belive in a creator because that ultimately means everything is completely pointless. I have gone through all these thoughts millions of times before I go to sleep and for some reason the thought of a creator is alot more appealing then the thought of everything beeing pointless. But I dont know if that is because I instinctivly know there is a god or if Im just very very afraid of the other option.
I know there is alot of things that we dont know or have the ability to explain yet. For all we know that dark energy that physicists are loking so madly for might be god The visible matter in the universe only counts for less then 5% of the total mass of the universe(or maby it was less then 2%). Who knows that the other 95% is. But I do firmly belive that if there is a god/creator then we will someday be able to prove his existanse through science. My faith in science is unbrekable.
Well that was my little rant lol.

[M PWR]

I don't believe in God.

-Sean

[hoss827]

I don't believe in God.

-Sean

Back up your statements with facts why you don't believe in Him.

[Mart651]

Back up your statements with facts why you don't believe in Him.

Hey Hoss. The thread is do you believe in god. He answered no need to back it up with facts. It's there belief right or wrong. You all know I believe in God and Jesus, can I not just believe with out explaining facts. The fact is I was saved by grace and not religion. So you can be saved with out religion. Religions have done a lot of damage in the past to Christianity but it has become a crutch for people not to believe. If you wonder if you can be saved without religion? yes you can. It is a gift from god called grace.

[PTbyJason]

Hey Hoss. The thread is do you believe in god. He answered no need to back it up with facts. It's there belief right or wrong. You all know I believe in God and Jesus, can I not just believe with out explaining facts. The fact is I was saved by grace and not religion. So you can be saved with out religion. Religions have done a lot of damage in the past to Christianity but it has become a crutch for people not to believe. If you wonder if you can be saved without religion? yes you can. It is a gift from god called grace.

In hoss's defense, I kind of made his statement look bad. There were a couple of comments that were IMO childish and playing around and I edited/deleted things that did not apply to this thread. There was more to Hoss's post (such as a response to the playing around) followed by the statement you see from him, but in my cleaning up of the thread I changed the way the tone his post looked originally. My apologies.

[TheSevnthWarrior]

Hey Hoss. The thread is do you believe in god. He answered no need to back it up with facts. It's there belief right or wrong. You all know I believe in God and Jesus, can I not just believe with out explaining facts. The fact is I was saved by grace and not religion. So you can be saved with out religion. Religions have done a lot of damage in the past to Christianity but it has become a crutch for people not to believe. If you wonder if you can be saved without religion? yes you can. It is a gift from god called grace.

Bingo Baby...that's what it's ALL about!
I don't have "religion" I have a "relationship."

Note:
Ever notice, no matter what anybody says, when they're stalled on the Train Track, and they can't get the door open, and that Train's a comin'......
who gets the call??
And don't lie, what's the point.