Abortion: should the gov't ban it?

[Superhuman]

well, determining whether the baby is actually "alive" in that respect is like trying to determine if the baby has a soul before it is born. I guess we just don't know. It's something we can wait until we're gone to ask God. I believe, however, that since we DO NOT know for sure whether the baby has a soul or is aware within the womb earlier than 4 months (studies have shown that reading to a baby in the womb increases reading ability and linguistic skills after birth), we should not just go ahead and kill it.

Also, it is not

fairly pointless to tell those girls that "you should have thought about that before you started ****ing around"

They SHOLD HAVE thought it through. Again, the unborn child should not pay the penalty of death for the irresponsibility of the mother OR the bad parenting that resulted in a young girl sleeping around.

[Skin-and-Bone]

They SHOLD HAVE thought it through. Again, the unborn child should not pay the penalty of death for the irresponsibility of the mother OR the bad parenting that resulted in a young girl sleeping around.

As a reply to me, this is verging on moronic. Can you not see how utterly pointless it is to tell to tell the girl she "SHOULD HAVE thought it through"? It doesn't matter that she should have. She DIDN'T. That can't be changed. So, how does it help to focus on how decisions which have already been made could have been made better? It's not constructive at all. The right thing would be to let her make her own decision on what the best course of action is, and be supportive.

Jeez. Anyone can say, "You should have thought about that..."

[daman1]

You also have to look at it from a religous perspective. And further more divide that into eastern and western religons. As the western religons would say it is a sin to have an abortion because it is killing someone, refer to 10 commandments. The eastern religons such and Hiduism, Judaism, Buddaism, etc, would be against it as well. They believe your life is already predeterminded and that you are going to be in a certain class and pattern. They feel having an abortion is like breaking out from your caste or life plan that was set out for you.

[Superhuman]

yup, that's right. I think even Militia Guy would agree with that

[Skin-and-Bone]

Well no, I don't really have to look at from a religious perspective, as I don't subscribe to a religion. That also rules out the "waiting to ask God" thing, if only because I don't know if I'd be waiting for nothing. That aside, in talking about awareness, what I was driving at was that I think people who are already alive, and have lived, shouldn't have their lives ruined to protect something that hasn't even taken it's first breath.

[Superhuman]

how the hell is their life ruined? you're exaggerating a bit much. they should just give the freakin kid up for adoption. My mom was adopted and she is fine, she has a good relationship with her biological mom, and she had a great one with her adopted one (she recently passed away). they should have thought it through... just because they didn't does not give them an excuse to murder a child.

[Skin-and-Bone]

I'm not exaggerating at all. If I suggested that every girl that gave birth to a baby she didn't want had her life ruined, then I would be exaggerating. I didn't though, did I? In case you didn't notice, I believe people should be able to do whatever they like with their bodies. Yes, I'm saying that an unborn baby is a part of the mother's body. I don't consider it to be murder, so to me it's perfectly acceptable, and I'd do the same if I was a mother with an unwanted pregnancy, because I wouldn't want to go through it all if I had no intention of raising the child.

If abortion became illegal, and a girl really didn't want to give birth, she'd get the surgery done illegally somewhere, or she wouldn't and her life may (is that exaggerating?) be ruined.

[Superhuman]

okay, I see your point (...to a point!) but IMO, as well as many others, the baby is not part of the mother's body. It may be INSIDE the mother's body and attached with the umbillical(sp) cord, but it is not a PART OF her body, again IMO. That's like saying because my dog or cat is completely dependent to live, and it basically lives on me, I have the right to kill it just because I don't think I can take care of it. NO, you give the animal to a shelter or to a friend. The only difference with a baby is the emotional attachment to it, and the struggle of being pregnant and going through labor. IMO, the only reason for a girl to have an abortion is because they don't want the hastle of pregnancy. So just because the girl is too lazy to have a baby, she kills it. Just suck it up and go through with it, then put it up for adoption. There is absolutely no excuse for abortion. The only defense they have is that "pregnancy is a pain in the ass"... IS THAT A REASON TO KILL A BABY? This "pain in the ass" is a direct result of the mother's irresponsibility.

[Skin-and-Bone]

okay, I see your point (...to a point!) but IMO, as well as many others, the baby is not part of the mother's body. It may be INSIDE the mother's body and attached with the umbillical(sp) cord, but it is not a PART OF her body, again IMO. That's like saying because my dog or cat is completely dependent to live, and it basically lives on me, I have the right to kill it just because I don't think I can take care of it. NO, you give the animal to a shelter or to a friend. The only difference with a baby is the emotional attachment to it, and the struggle of being pregnant and going through labor. IMO, the only reason for a girl to have an abortion is because they don't want the hastle of pregnancy. So just because the girl is too lazy to have a baby, she kills it. Just suck it up and go through with it, then put it up for adoption. There is absolutely no excuse for abortion. The only defense they have is that "pregnancy is a pain in the ass"... IS THAT A REASON TO KILL A BABY? This "pain in the ass" is a direct result of the mother's irresponsibility.

Using the example of a cat just doesn't slide. It doesn't matter how much the cat relies on you, if I kill you the cat will live on, as long as someone else feeds it. If I kill a pregnant female though, unless some emergency procedure is carried out, and is successful, the "baby" will die with the mother. The baby is a part of the mother because it's attached to her, and it lives off her. It eats what she eats, it's like another organ in her body.

Not all girls that have abortions are going to have them because they're lazy. A lot of them will have abortions because they don't want to have the child themself, and so they don't want to go through a risky experience such as child birth for a baby they never intend to keep. You may say that's selfish (perhaps it is), but I state again that I think people should be able to do what they like with their own bodies. Until a baby is independant of the mother, it should not take priority over her.

[Superhuman]

okay, well I call this a draw bro. it was good debating with you about this, but it seems to be going nowhere. whether abortion is right or wrong, as human beings we should choose life over death. thank God i'm not a woman...

[Skin-and-Bone]

okay, well I call this a draw bro. it was good debating with you about this, but it seems to be going nowhere. whether abortion is right or wrong, as human beings we should choose life over death. thank God i'm not a woman...

This isn't a competition. Sure we should choose life over death, but it's stupid to just blindly believe that life is the only "right" option. Until a baby is an independant human it should not have rights over the mother that conceived it.

I wouldn't want to be a woman either. If I was though, I'd be outraged at the suggestion that other people want to tell me I have to go through a pregnancy I don't want, regardless of how stupid I had been in not preventing the pregnancy in the first place.

[Bigboy123]

I think the govt shoud stay out of it...

[Superhuman]

yeah, this high and mighty attitude of "I know all" that some of us have is pretty bad. I definately wouldn't want someone telling me what to do like that. I think it's wrong though, anyway. Just like unprotected sex is wrong with all the STDs out there. Should we make it illegal? No. But taking steps to discourage people from having unprotected sex is good. I think we should take steps to discourage abortion, but making it illegal WOULD be a little extreme I guess.

[Skin-and-Bone]

I'd agree that it's better to focus on discouraging un-protected sex, though I get the feeling that most of the girls that get themselves pregnant "by accident" wouldn't listen anyway. If there's someone in place to offer an unborn child a home, then perhaps it seems right for a mother to not abort the child, but convincing or forcing a mother to have a child when she really doesn't want to, will lead to problems.

[Superhuman]

yup, i agree