shooting in the head? get a grip man
if i were a betting man i'd bet he's never fired a weapon and is sitting behind his momma's computer right now
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shooting in the head? get a grip man
if i were a betting man i'd bet he's never fired a weapon and is sitting behind his momma's computer right now
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agreedOriginally Posted by withoutd0ubt
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Yes it is correct, Tock.
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Not to be rude, but I asked Militiaguy.
One of the reasons for the ongoing conflict in the mideast are the various differences in religions. I think I've made it pretty clear that I don't put much stock in any religion, but I also respect the right for folks to form and express their own opinions in religious matters as well as on any other topic.
I think I detect a level of hostility between folks of different religions here, and between folks of the same religion. IMHO, this is unfortunate. Basically, when two people agree to disagree on religious stuff, they can still go out and have a few beers or whatever and still be friends. But when tempers flare and folks start becoming angry and frustrated, it's an indication that one fellow is upset that the other one won't think the same way they do. Magnify this situation by a few hundred thousand, or a couple million, and you will have, gentlemen, the root of every religious conflict, the point from which every religious war starts.
I would like to suggest that instead of proudly pointing to the many obvious reasons why each of your individual positions are better than anyone else's, that first you get a clear understanding of why people with different opinions (especially people with radically different opinions) think the way that they do. I would expect that once everyone shares the experiences and ideas that led them to their current opinions, more than a few contributors to this thread will sit an inch back in their chairs and say, "Oh. I didn't know that."
The way this thread is going right now, it won't be long before people start shaking fists at each other, accusing each other of hate, following false religions, and generating a lot of needlessly bad feelings. I hope y'all will take a few moments to take a few deep breaths and take this opportunity to ask more questions of each other than posting "Great Incontrovertible Truths" that not everyone agrees on. You have two eyes, two ears, and one mouth. Seems like a reasonalble ratio to me . . . 4 questions to every "Obvious Truth." Let's shoot for that . . . .
What do y'all think?
--Tock
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Agreed! I know little facts about this subject...so I'm staying out.
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You cant discuss with a fundamentalist Tock. They have their point of view and if you dont follow your basiclly dead to them.
Im suprised you guys let militiaguy be on here with a avatar like that, but i am also suprised Frommel is with that name and avatar (ive been since i first saw him). If it was my forum they would both be gone along time ago.
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1) You're wrong on this one . . . I do it all the time. And I find that as long as we can keep the focus on trying to understand each other, then both sides end up learning what the other is all about. Add a bit of civility to the conversation, and you can end up as friends . . .
. . . But for sure, if both sides are convinced that discussing the issues are useless, then it just may well be.
2) Well, I'm glad that folks are more tolerant of honest differences of opinion on this board and less given to evicting heretics. Some of us find differing views to be rather interesting, and nothing to be afraid of.
I rather suspect that if you were God, there would be a whole lot less variation of things in nature . . .
--Tock
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Ok...go talk sence into usama and arafat, good luck bro!
I have no tolerance for terrorists or nazi's, why you do i dont understand either? Islam is against gay's and so are the nazi's, they would kill you if they knew what you are.
I can never be god, but if i were some people would get sent to hell for sure and people like you and other good bros would be blessed and granted entry to paradise (it's raining men tock...). As for variation, wouldnt you like the terrorists gone? Or the nazif*cks? Maybe you like this world? I for sure dont!
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I agree with u 100% palme on both points. Im also offended by both their avatars.
I also want to add, IMO u cant reason with a biggot, racist, anti-semite or any other fanatical group. People like that are to closed minded and dont listen to reason. To make my point all u have to do is go back and read a few of the outragous accusations posted on here. When proof was asked to back up their beliefs of course non was given because there isn any.
OG
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[QUOTE=Tock]Not to be rude, but I asked Militiaguy.
Well not be blunt..I gave the answer.
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Muslims!!! (Hamas) Check out the
Arabic letters
KKK
Muslim woman in Afghanistan
KKK!
Muslims!
This looks like a look-alike competition!
KKK!
Muslims!
Muslims!
Well, at least the Ku Klux Klan doesn't lie about there hate!
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Muslims!!! (Hamas) Check out the
Arabic letters
KKK
Muslim woman in Afghanistan
KKK!
Muslims!
This looks like a look-alike competition!
Muslims!
Muslims!
Well, at least the Ku Klux Klan doesn't lie about there hate!
i dont understand are you trying to compare islam with the kkk.
the website http://www.geocities.com/dairyman88dsfdsfds
is so full of crap and fake quotes from the quran, that its not even funny.
some people hate islam so much that they will lie to get their hatred across.
this website you have been to is a racist propaganda website designed to create hatred towards muslims.
i don't have the time to go through every lie on your webpage but i will just cover a few.
first of all your website claims that sex with babies and animals is allowed in islam that is a lie.
http://www.geocities.com/dairyman88dsfdsfds/#Sex with animals and babies
this is a lie because you cant have sex without marrige in islam.
and also that Ayatollah Khomeini guy is not a proper muslim he is a shia muslim they belive slightly differently to other muslims.
also having sex with children and animals is forbidden in the quran.
also it seems as if this website also has a problem with muslims having children.
http://www.geocities.com/dairyman88d.../2.html#Weapon of mass population!
first of all it claims that god has chosen men over womem. this is not true.
and also it claims that incest is allowed in islam. this is also not true.
also it claims that muslims get 72 virgin if they die which is bull*hit becuase nowhere in the quran does it claim that a muslim will get virgins even if they die under any circumstances or are a martyr. if you can find it in the quran i persoanlly will give you £5000 cash.
also if you click on the links you will actually find out that is website is a hate website.
also one of the links claim that israel is the most humane country in the world
*cough* bull***** *cough*
the link is called "16 resons why israel is the most humane country in the world"
it leads you to this page
http://www.ourenemies.org/Reasons.htm
hay bamaslama you give links to racist website that hate arabs and hate islam. you personally seem to also have a problem.
this is why so many people are confused about islam is because they don't understand. they read hate propaganda and think they have become the master of islamic knowlage. i can tell you one thing right know i have studied the quran for 10 years i can tell you right know that no body on this website really knows what islam is about all they know is what they see the arabs doing or what they see on tv/news or what some other guys tell them.
the arabs do not represent islam, they represent themselves.
god represents islam.
you compare the muslims to the kkk.
maybe you should take a look in the mirror and see who has the real similarities with the kkk and then you can move on and concentrate on your own life and stop hating other people and spreading propaganda.
Last edited by physio_sport; 03-17-2004 at 11:10 AM.
The One & Only
This thread is WAY to long to read, and I don't even know where the whole discussion is going, and I'm gonna get a bit off topic anywho.
BOTTOM line, we are not as advanced or evolved as we think we are. Sit and watch a nature show, about animals, bugs, insects, wutever, and see their complexity. Watch their colonies, how they function, the naturality of it all and what not. WE still haven't even reached a "stable" balance in this world. Believe it or not, it is almost a NEGATIVE thing that humans have become what they THINK is evolution. Basically, we all suck, big time!!
The world is headed no where fast, really fast. Rich people want more money. Powerful people want more power. Land owners want more land. This is why we are doomed, cuz NO one seems to care about just LIVING their lives. If everyone concentrated on just improving this **** earth instead of trying to get rich and powerful off it, we'd be much better off. This applies to ALL countries and ALL religions and ALL people. The U.S. has done insanely terrible things in the past, and will continue to do them. The M.E. has done insanely terrible things in the past, and will continue to do them, and so will every other nation in the world (except maybe Canada.).
And the really sad thing is we will never achieve greatness. The best example is something like Star Trek (yeah, seriously), and how all the countries in the world unite and become a FEDERATION. A LARGE UNITY of people. There is no money, there is no "my land, your land" it is all about just improving ourselves and learning about science and culture and etc... (Computer, Tea, Earl Gray, Hot) <-- we are not that far away from this, but we don't want it, or so it seems that way.
I can't understand, how a human being can LOOK straight into another human beings eyes, and decide to actually HURT that individual, either beating them, or shooting them. I've never understood this. I can't fathom (sp?) it. It truly disgusts me. People who kill other people (war, crimes, criminals, wutever) are truly SICK in the head. They lack some stuff BIG TIME, and they are dumber than your average person, no matter what the hell you say.
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i met many americans her in lebanon but they were peacfull and open minded i dont know why most of the members in this board are so agressive and fanatics
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Fanatics huh, ummmm thats like the pot calling the kettle black. Meaning, look in the friggin mirror for a fanatic!
OG
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Some more info..
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200311...h-be-next.html
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Thats a great song Tock - thanks for posting - the difference is that Christians are in a SPIRITUAL WAR not a physical one - same as Jesus stated to his accusers he was a spiritual king not a temporal one
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So . . . if these "Christians Marching on to War" can be construed to be a spiritual thing,
could not OGPackin's interpretation of "the Hezbollah emblem with a hand brandishing a machine gun and the belligerent slogan that quotes the Quran: "Only Allah's congregation [i.e., Muhammad and his followers] shall be victorious"
be similarly construed as a spiritual thing?
I don't see why not.
--Tock
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they cant be construed as spiritual warriors alone because they are busy planning attacks with temporal bombs - you didnt read of Martin Luther firebombing the church did you? no, he stapled a piece of paper on the door with his doctrinal disagreements - THAT is a major difference
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they cant be construed as spiritual warriors alone because they are busy planning attacks with temporal bombs - you didnt read of Martin Luther firebombing the church did you? no, he stapled a piece of paper on the door with his doctrinal disagreements - THAT is a major difference
I don't know that that is the case.
Yes, some Hezbollah folks do, but I don't know that all do.
Just like I know that some Christians use rifles to shoot abortion doctors and use bombs to damage clinics and gay bars and use intimidation on people. And if you include the KKK (who require each and every member to be Christian) they hang people, intimidate, burn houses, etc etc etc. Truly vile people. And each and every one is a born again Christian.
Given y'all's accuracy and lack of impartiality on a lot of stuff, I was hoping to ask Militiaguy a few questions about Hezbollah. But it seems that some people take exception to such impertinance, and think that what they have to say on the matter should suffice.
--Tock
Retired Vet
Guys, Militiaguys avatar is down. At this stage it seem's as though NO ONE apart from OG and Palme has read what I wrote about my following of the situation there, having served in the M.E. on and off this last 15 yrs.
Stupid ass comments like "lets all just bomb the middle east", are just empty headed krap and we don't need in this thread so please keep them out.
Tock, I despair at you, really I do. You've just asked Militiaguy about his avatar after over 100 posts here regarding it. Are you reading anything in this thread or just blindly posting your BS?.
Militiaguy, please enlighten me as to what new way you've found to hit the Merkava MBT please?. I don't recall too many Merkava's being hit the last few years, certainly you've hit some SLA T55 MBT's with IED's and other RSB's. As regards Qana, what you wrote to my reply here is a joke. I won't bother wasting my energy repling to that rubbish.
M'guy, put simply. Do you support Islams Jihad against Israel, the USA and the west in general?
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[QUOTE=BOUNCER]
Tock, I despair at you, really I do. You've just asked Militiaguy about his avatar after over 100 posts here regarding it. Are you reading anything in this thread or just blindly posting your BS?.
QUOTE]
Oh, I'm sorry . . . I didn't know I had to ask your permission before I personally asked Militiaguy a question . . . Next time I'll know that anything you say about MG is more valid than what MG says himself . . .
--Tock
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well actually the jihad that your refering to is completly wrong.
this is the main problem in the west when using arabic words 99% of the people that use them don't know what they mean.
here is a definition of the word jihad by The Institute of Islamic Information & Education
JIHAD EXPLAINED
The Institute of Islamic Information & Education
Brochure No. 18
In the linguistic sense, the Arabic word "jihad" means struggling or striving and applies to any effort exerted by anyone. In this sense, a student struggles and strives to get an education and pass course work; an employee strives to fulfill his/her job and maintain good relations with his/her employer; a politician strives to maintain or increase his(1) popularity with his constituents and so on. The term strive or struggle may be used for/by Muslims as well as non-Muslims; for example, Allah, the One and Only True God says in the Qur'an:
"We have enjoined on people kindness to parents; but if they strive (Jahadaka) to make you ascribe partners with Me that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not..."
(The Holy Quran, 29:8; also see 31:15)
In the above two verses of the Qur'an , it is non-Muslim parents who strive (jahadaka) to convert their Muslim child back to their religion. In the West, "jihad" is generally translated as "holy war," a usage the media has popularized. According to Islamic teachings, it is unholy to instigate or start war; however, some wars are inevitable and justifiable.
If we translate the words "holy war" back into Arabic, we find "harbun muqaddasatu," or for "the holy war," "al-harbu al-muqaddasatu." We challenge any researcher or scholar to find the meaning of "jihad" as holy war in the Qur'an or authentic Hadith collections or in early Islamic literature. Unfortunately, some Muslim writers and translators of the Qur'an, the Hadith and other Islamic literature translate the term "jihad" as "holy war," due to the influence of centuries-old Western propaganda.
This could be a reflection of the Christian use of the term "Holy War" to refer to the Crusades of a thousand years ago. However, the Arabic words for "war" are "harb" or "qital," which are found in the Qur'an and Hadith.
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salam alaykom
yes i am sure its merkava a 10 year old child can know difference btw merkava and t55 their is a big difference in size and shape and sla t55 wasnt a threat for us, merkava have a good artificial intellegence chips it can detect anything taller than 1 m and kill it so we used to search for merkavas to hit them .
and for the jihad i dont support any military act against civilian but those in israel are not civilian they came from usa and many europe countries just to take the land of the arabs and build "moustawtanat"
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M'guy, honestly I'm not flaming you here, but sometimes your english is a little hard to comprehend. For starts, the thread isn't about the difference between a Merkava MBT and the T55. I've seen plently of both thank you. Anyway from reading what you've said I guess your well north of the former security zone and pretty d*mn safe, just like most of the Hezbollah member's I've had the displeasure to chance accross.
I guess at this stage, Rak_Ani's replies have pretty much answered most questions here, some of the earlier one's regarding Zionists etc I suspect won't be answered for fear of being contradicted by Rak_Ani's sincere honesty. You know M'guy, and others like you. You should read the links I've posted, accept the Israeli state as it stands and get on with your sorry little fcuked up lives. One final point I'd like to make, apart from limited democracy in Lebanon, and full democracy extended to Arabs in Israel absolutley NONE of your other Arab brothers will extend you the same rights apart from the USA which daily fights (and sadly) for your rights to democracy in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq.
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what the hell are you talking about? if the women and children in Israel can be classified as "non-civilians" by you simply because they came from the US and Europe to live there - why should they make any distiction in killing palestinian children, who very well may be in the stage of being indoctrinated to commit a suicide/murder? If you think Israeli women and children are combatants, why do you complain if they kill palestinian kids when aiming for terrorists? after all, according to your thinking, they are probably going to be terrorists one day, why not kill them early on
Retired Vet
As we say in Ireland "good on ya boyo"what the hell are you talking about? if the women and children in Israel can be classified as "non-civilians" by you simply because they came from the US and Europe to live there - why should they make any distiction in killing palestinian children, who very well may be in the stage of being indoctrinated to commit a suicide/murder? If you think Israeli women and children are combatants, why do you complain if they kill palestinian kids when aiming for terrorists? after all, according to your thinking, they are probably going to be terrorists one day, why not kill them early on
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what the hell are you talking about? if the women and children in Israel can be classified as "non-civilians" by you simply because they came from the US and Europe to live there - why should they make any distiction in killing palestinian children, who very well may be in the stage of being indoctrinated to commit a suicide/murder? If you think Israeli women and children are combatants, why do you complain if they kill palestinian kids when aiming for terrorists? after all, according to your thinking, they are probably going to be terrorists one day, why not kill them early on
Couldnt have said it any better myself...Im glad ur finally seeing what he/they stand for.
OG
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not all women in isreal are non-combatants. some are in the militry.what the hell are you talking about? if the women and children in Israel can be classified as "non-civilians" by you simply because they came from the US and Europe to live there - why should they make any distiction in killing palestinian children, who very well may be in the stage of being indoctrinated to commit a suicide/murder? If you think Israeli women and children are combatants, why do you complain if they kill palestinian kids when aiming for terrorists? after all, according to your thinking, they are probably going to be terrorists one day, why not kill them early on
in isreal from what i understand militry duty is mandatory for all single non-married women including men as well for about 16-20 months.
if you look at the statistics from the cia website which is www.cia.gov
you'll notice that on http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/is.html (israel)
that roughly 51,080 males and 53,496 females are reaching military age annually. this from a total population of around 6 million.
you claim that the palistinian children might become suicde bombers that maybe true but at what ratio.
if you look at the total population of palistine you'll notice that way less then 0.25% of people have actually been involved in terrorism against israeli citizens.
on the other hand you have israel which on the cia factbook states that israel has a 2.5 million people that are fit for militry service(of the right age)
2.5 million is just under 50% of israel population and sooner or later most/or some of these people will serve in the occupation of palistine.
there is more chance of a child in israel becoming a soldiers then a child in palistine becoming a suicde bomber.
this is a rough estimate. because i don't have a calculator i will work this out quick guess. for every 1 child in palistine which becomes a suicede bomber roughly anywhere between 1,000 to 5,000+ israeli children will join the millitry or are eligable to join at some stage in their life. 1,000 if there are 100 suicide bomings a year or 5,000 if there are 25 suicde bombings a year.
this is taking into account what the cia say that that roughly 51,080 males and 53,496 females are reaching military age annually. total of about 104,576 people reaching millitry age annually.
Last edited by physio_sport; 03-18-2004 at 05:48 PM.
Queen of Zion
Hello Everyone
As some of you might remember from the last time you all started arguing about Israel/Palestinians/Arabs/terrorists, I show up when called, by a friend (who will forgive me for being late...I haven't been home in the last few days)
Here I am again, a bit late and as I don't have the time or the patience to start reading all of the posts, I will reply to the few I read.
First of all, MelitiaGuy, next time you decide to quote from a Tanzim website, be sure there's no one here who might know what the Tanzim is. Now, from what I read, no one here questioned the website you got your "facts" from, but that's what I'm here for. Tanzim is a terrorist organization. Any search in a NEUTRAL (that means not a terrorist or propaganda website) website will give you that fact. You may, of course, believe what you read there if you wish, but if I were you, I wouldn't count on it making me any more educated.
Another thing, I understand you had something yellow with Arabic writting by your name, and Bouncer said if the moderators knew what it said, they'd probably ban you (or something of that sort). First of all, allow me to show those who forgot, the flag you had by your name. It can be found here:
http://www.hizbollah.tv/english/frames/index_eg.htm
Those who don't know, this is the HIZBALLA website. Some info about the Hizballa can be found here:
http://www.ict.org.il/organizations/...e.cfm?orgid=15
Now you know, and it's your decision what you want to do about this person who doesn't hide his support of terrorists.
bdrt, do you know what Zionism is, that you hate it so much? Please explain to me what exactly about the Zionist Idiology you hate.
It doesn't cease to amaze me how much people enjoy arguing about things the don't know. How many of you here have witnessed a suicide bombing? How many have seen a human arm fall out of the sky on top of their car from an explosion? How many have seen a bus blow up 50 meters from them? How many have stopped their car at a red light and the first thought that came to their head was "please God, don't let the bus on my right blow up"? How many have acually gotten off a bus or train because someone looked suspecious to them? How many have looked a young girl in the eyes, as she was laying on the ground, bleeding to death, missing her legs, and saw her look when she realised she wasn't going to live? None of you, probably. Finally the US has a leader who understands the necessity to fight terror, who understand that you can postpone it, but eventually you'll have no choice but to stand up and fight back. It's only a question of how long and how many people you'll burry before you do it.
Israel has every right to defend herself. There is no reason in the world innocent civilians should die in Israel and if it takes building a fence and sending troops into the WB and Gaza, then be it.
Anyway, that's it for now. I might add comments later. In the meantime I have to run.
Take care
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Why don't we hear more of this in the media. If there are other countries in the world that feel this way, why is their story not covered every day in the media. All I heard about last night was how the French population still was against the efforts in Iraq. The French against some sort of movement that requries fighting....???....please, tell me something I don't already know.
Good post Rak...
peace,
ttgb
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Because face it-Most other countries have turned into Pussies..those who were not pussies before...Most countries with an international media voice, are not famous for stepping up to tyrants or trouble makers.
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Yeah...I guess you are right....I think most of the US citizens are behind all of the efforts going on also...but unfortanutely we hear more from the minority that are against the terrorism efforts. Pussies...Well Said.
peace,
ttgb
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Glad to see someone else here who knows their FACTS. Facts are facts and dont lie! Id like to see bdtr do the same thing. And anyone else for that matter that believes the way he does. Lay the facts out on the table so everyone can really see what uv been "holding ur tongue" about. Iv already called him out on his ridiculous comments and as u can see he hasnt responded with the proof iv asked for.
OG
Queen of Zion
One more thing, when you press the link to the Hizballa website, you will need to be patient because it takes long for it to load.
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Good post Rak.
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Well . . .
This thread has rapidly degenerated into a lot of mush . . . that's about it for me . . .
As the good book says,
"Never wrestle with a pig; you'll only annoy it, and you both get dirty."
"Never get in a farting contest with a skunk."
--Tock
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Its ok Tock, with ur responses it seemed like u didnt bother reading the posts anyway. I think u just liked reading ur own...
OG
Anabolic Member
It just doesn't make any sense to continue with this because
1) I couldn't get Militiaguy to answer my question, and
2) y'all jumped on me because I wasn't satisfied with your response to the question I asked him . . .
3) Now some newbie comes in, says he ain't gonna read the whole thread, then spouts some BS and now what?
Nah . . . enough of this nonsense . . . It was fun while it lasted, though . . .
-Tock
Retired Vet
Tock, the only reason the thread has turned to mush for you is because you and some others here can't comprehend the truth when it stares you in the face. Its bleeding hearted liberals and closed middled neo-nazi's who annoy me almost as much as these terror groups, because they (terrorists) reply on YOUR support to hit YOUR people and country.
You know, it was liberals who DEMANDED the release of Mohammed Otta from Israeli detention although he'd been tried and convicted in an Israeli court of terrorist charges, it was in 1995. America gave him a new life in a free land, and his repayment methods?... Lead a group of terrorists in the worse terror attack in history, the attack on 9/11 WTC. Without liberals like these people couldn't operate as freely as they do.
Rak-Ani, thanks for the replies here. Worth the wait.
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