You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, I am following the 3 days a week workout M,W,F. Is there any reason I shouldn't switch up Wed (shoulders and arms) and Friday (legs)? I just prefer legs earlier in the week if possible. You can split it however you like so go ahead and do legs earlier in the week!Also how does one do a uni-lateral inverted preacher curl? http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7pRv6y.../ai_n16598131/ Thanks!
Dizzy

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[jla1986]

Great post.

[Bulkn]

^ that's a terrible idea! How about do some research and learn..

[vk2]

Wow, very informative read for sure ! Three thumbs way up !

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I'm ending the fifth week of my 8 week reload (3rd one) and every injury I've had you've sorted out for me perfectly. Just this week I've started to have to drop weight on squats due to hip joint pain. It doesn't hurt until I've come 95% up to the standing position, then when I bring my hips that last little bit forward I get a real bad aching pain in the front of both my hip joints. It makes me drop weight and it makes me stop short of quad/glute failure (which is angering as hell!!) I've noticed this same thing in both my previous reloads in about week 6-8. During delaods it seems to sort it's self out. I'm taking a boatload of Deca during this reload along with mega doses of fish oil and Glucosamine. Is there any excercise or magic trick that you usually know to help with this. By the way my biceps tendon, elbow joint pain and shoulder are all back 100% thanks to you!!! YOUR THE MAN!!!

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
I'm in my 4th reload and using blend of Mast, Tren & Test, around 500mg of each per week. I was wanting to add some d-bol and was wondering what dosage you would recommend and for how long? By the way, is D-bol, Dianabol and Anabol the same thing?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
i'm in my 4th reload and using blend of mast, tren & test, around 500mg of each per week. I was wanting to add some d-bol and was wondering what dosage you would recommend and for how long? i would run 50 mgs daily and if you start getting too many side effects back it down to 25. Only the very advanced should try upwards of 100 per day. by the way, is d-bol, dianabol and anabol the same thing? yes!

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[chrisx]

Ron my goals have changed. I no longer want to put on mass, more like lean mass since I have now gotten into mma. Really just want to put on a good 10pds.

So I'm sure a full 20wk blast will be to long. What do you recommend I run and for how long? I was thinking maybe a 10 week cycle with test and Anavar?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, I'm ending the fifth week of my 8 week reload (3rd one) and every injury I've had you've sorted out for me perfectly. Just this week I've started to have to drop weight on squats due to hip joint pain. It doesn't hurt until I've come 95% up to the standing position, then when I bring my hips that last little bit forward I get a real bad aching pain in the front of both my hip joints. It makes me drop weight and it makes me stop short of quad/glute failure (which is angering as hell!!) I've noticed this same thing in both my previous reloads in about week 6-8. During delaods it seems to sort it's self out. I'm taking a boatload of Deca during this reload along with mega doses of fish oil and Glucosamine. Is there any excercise or magic trick that you usually know to help with this. By the way my biceps tendon, elbow joint pain and shoulder are all back 100% thanks to you!!! YOUR THE MAN!!!

Glad to hear you are doing better! You'll need to put squats at the very end of your quad workout and go lighter. If that does not work use the smith machine to do squats still at the end of your workout using lighter weights.

[bananabate]

Hi Ronny,I have a really simple question and its towards your statement that cycles should be run to no more than 8 weeks-How about if Im cutting with Primo and Var? You think 8 weeks would be enough for Primo to show its whole potential? many thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronny,i have a really simple question and its towards your statement that cycles should be run to no more than 8 weeks-how about if im cutting with primo and var? You think 8 weeks would be enough for primo to show its whole potential? No i do not! when cutting you stay on for as long as it takes. No delaoding! many thanks

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[bananabate]

ohhhhh never mind...just red a bunch of other replies and answered myself! I cant wait to try this system,starting next month ill do 3 reloads and 2 deloads just to see how it works for me,already got the cycles planned in my head. Thank u so much for all the info!

[yannyboy]

Ronnie, I've just got hold of 3 Paul Borresen books. He recommends very high doses of AAS's but only for about 28 days. Do you think this style of cycling could work?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, I've just got hold of 3 Paul Borresen books. He recommends very high doses of AAS's but only for about 28 days. Do you think this style of cycling could work? A lot of things work to some degree but that does not mean they are safe or the most effective. I feel this type of cycling causes more side effects and causes more joint/tendon problems. Come to think of it, Paul died at an early age..hint..hint..Also, short 4 week cycles do not allow the body to adapt which means you lose it much faster when going off cycle. My experiences have shown that you gain more water weight than muscle weight with short high dosed and that there are no short cuts!

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[lepooj]

Amazing post, I just started reading about roids and its very interesting.

Regards,
Dan

[The Titan99]

Here's a quick question. I have been watching some video of various pro BB training and I consistently see them not going for full lock out on bench over head press etc. Hell, Ronnie Coleman seems to only bench press halfway up. What do you think about this technique? I always go for max extension. Why would they do it like this and do you recommend it for me? Thanks Ron.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Here's a quick question. I have been watching some video of various pro BB training and I consistently see them not going for full lock out on bench over head press etc. Hell, Ronnie Coleman seems to only bench press halfway up. What do you think about this technique? I think they are so strong that they feel the need to not lock out in order to put less strain on their tendons. I always go for max extension. Why would they do it like this and do you recommend it for me? I would give it a try if you have joint/tendon issues and if it really helps then you can train that way! The lockout is basically palcing more emphasis on the triceps so you can still get a good shoulder/chest workout by not locking out. Thanks Ron.

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[energizer bunny]

Excellent thread Ronnie, im wanting to do a low dose cycle as this is only my second time using, and the last time was 5 years ago.......

Week 1-8 Test e 250mg per week
Week 9-10 Test e 125 mg per week
Week 11-18 Test e 250mg per week and Tren e 160mg per week
Week 19-20 Test e 125mg per week and Tren e 80mg per week

PCT Hcg, Clomid and Nolva........

Is this cyle weak/useless? or will i see decent gains?

thanks for your time mate.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Our new system has not allowed me to post for some time now. I could sign in but it would not allow me to make any post. I got in touch with Narkissos and he contacted administration. I am back!

[Ronnie Rowland]

excellent thread ronnie, im wanting to do a low dose cycle as this is only my second time using, and the last time was 5 years ago.......

Week 1-8 test e 250mg per week
week 9-10 test e 125 mg per week
week 11-18 test e 250mg per week and tren e 160mg per week
week 19-20 test e 125mg per week and tren e 80mg per week

pct hcg, clomid and nolva........

Is this cyle weak/useless? Or will i see decent gains? this cycle is usless as it would only be enough test to provide what an endocrinologist would prescibe for hrt( hormone replacement therapy). If you are that afraid of testosterone then don't do it is my advice!thanks for your time mate.

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[riyaz]

Hi! Can any body say that how many ANABOLICS tabl a day.......?

[The Titan99]

Welcome back Ron! Thank God for Nark!!

[energizer bunny]

Thank you for the reply Ronnie, much appreciated.....I am not afraid of testosterone lol, i just thought that starting as low as possible would be the best way, as i plan to be using on and off for a good few years now..........ok how does this sound

weeks 1-8 test e 500mg
weeks 9-10 test e 250mg
weeks 11-18 test e 500mg per week and winstrol 50mg/a day
weeks 19-20 test e 250mg
pct, nolva and clomid...

thanks for your time.

[yaston2003]

Thanks again ronnie for the input. Very much appreciate the fact that you took the time to read my post and provided feedback! Thanks again

[Ronnie Rowland]

thank you for the reply ronnie, much appreciated.....i am not afraid of testosterone lol, i just thought that starting as low as possible would be the best way, as i plan to be using on and off for a good few years now..........ok how does this sound much better and i would be cautious with running winstrol 8 weeks if you have joint/tendon problems as it dries them out! Also, you need hcg first and foremost for the most effective pct! weeks 1-8 test e 500mg
weeks 9-10 test e 250mg
weeks 11-18 test e 500mg per week and winstrol 50mg/a day
weeks 19-20 test e 250mg
pct, nolva and clomid...

Thanks for your time.

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[Marvin]

Gday Ronnie just been reading thru this thread and i hope you will be able to help me out. I am looking at starting a cycle with Tren Ethanate now i have never used anything at all before so its all new to me, i have a guy that will be helping me out but i was after another opinion. I am currently a little over weight but am exercisng and losing it all quickly my mate has informed me that Tren Ethanate would be the best for me as i want to bulk up as well as shed that little extra fat. Would you recomend Tren Ethanate as a beginner? any help much appreciated.
Marvin

[Tuskut]

Hi Ronnie!

Thanks for a great thread and Your advices to us.

Can I apply Your methods with plain orals? I know they are thought to be somewhat liver toxic but they are the only ones available atm.

I have 100 pcs 50mg Oxys and 250 pcs of 10mgs Winstrols, and can get more...

Im thinking about:

8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed, 20 mgs Win ed
2 weeks 25mgs Oxy ed
8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed 30 mgs Win ed
Then PCT.

What is Your opinion on this?

Thanks in advance!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie!

Thanks for a great thread and Your advices to us.

Can I apply Your methods with plain orals? I know they are thought to be somewhat liver toxic but they are the only ones available atm.

I have 100 pcs 50mg Oxys and 250 pcs of 10mgs Winstrols, and can get more...

Im thinking about:

8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed, 20 mgs Win ed
2 weeks 25mgs Oxy ed
8 weeks 50mgs Oxy ed 30 mgs Win ed
Then PCT.

What is Your opinion on this? Well, you can run an all oral cycle as listed above but you may have problems functioning sexually because neither anavar or winstrol converts to estrogen and neither of these drugs are ranked high on the androgenicity scale. You want estrogens and androgens for an increase in libido and gains-hence the reason test works so good as a base for all cycles.
Thanks in advance!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

gday ronnie just been reading thru this thread and i hope you will be able to help me out. I am looking at starting a cycle with tren ethanate now i have never used anything at all before so its all new to me, i have a guy that will be helping me out but i was after another opinion. I am currently a little over weight but am exercisng and losing it all quickly my mate has informed me that tren ethanate would be the best for me as i want to bulk up as well as shed that little extra fat. Would you recomend tren ethanate as a beginner? i do not recommend tren-e for a beginner. Stick to test-e and you'll do fine. Diet has more to do with fat loss that specific steroids!any help much appreciated.
Marvin

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[BJJ]

Ciao Ronnie, what do you think about my 4th cycle?
Grazie

FRONTLOAD (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 1 Testosterone Sustanon * 540 mg [UG] [Morning] (ttl 540 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 1 Somatropin 24 iu ed [UG] [Early Morning/Morning/Afternoon, 7/7] (ttl 168 iu)
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed [PG] [Early Morning] (ttl 700 mcg)

BULK 1 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 2-9 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed [UG] [Morning] (ttl 5600 mg) {Arachis Oil}
Week 2-9 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg eod [UG] [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/w/f/su]
Week 2-9 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew [UG] [Morning] (ttl 4800 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 2-9 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [UG] [Evening] (ttl 200 mg) [m/th]
Week 2-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 250 iu e3.5d [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu) [m/th]

BRIDGE (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 10-13 Testosterone Sustanon 270 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 1080 mg)
Week 10-13 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 2000 mg)
Week 10-13 Mesterolone 50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 1400 mg)
Week 10-13 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 112 iu)
Week 10-13 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 2800 mcg)

BULK 2 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 14-17 Boldenone Undecylenate 800 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg)
Week 14-19 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 6300 mg)
Week 14-19 Mesterolone 100 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 4200 mg)
Week 14-19 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 150 mg)
Week 14-19 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 1500 iu 1stw - 250 iu e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu)
Week 19 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 28 iu)
Week 19 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 70 mcg)

PCT (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 20-23 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/50/50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 2450 mg)
Week 20-25 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 980 mg)
Week 20-26 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 196 iu)
Week 20-26 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 4900 mcg)
Week 27 Human Menopausal Gonadotropin 75 mg eod [PG] [Evening] (ttl 225 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 27 Exemestane 12.5 mg eod [Evening] (ttl 37.5 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 28 Glutathione 600 mg ed [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4.200 mg)

* 270 mg of Testosterone Blend contain:
1. Testosterone Acetate (20 mg)
2. Testosterone Propionate (30 mg)
3. Testosterone Phenylpropionate (60 mg)
4. Testosterone Isocaproate (60 mg)
5. Testosterone Decanoate (100 mg)

1st Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403234
2nd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=424412
3rd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...NPP-EQ-DBOL%29

Results: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-%28DEXAs%29

[The Titan99]

Ciao Ronnie, what do you think about my 4th cycle?
Grazie

FRONTLOAD (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 1 Testosterone Sustanon * 540 mg [UG] [Morning] (ttl 540 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 1 Somatropin 24 iu ed [UG] [Early Morning/Morning/Afternoon, 7/7] (ttl 168 iu)
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed [PG] [Early Morning] (ttl 700 mcg)

BULK 1 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 2-9 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed [UG] [Morning] (ttl 5600 mg) {Arachis Oil}
Week 2-9 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg eod [UG] [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/w/f/su]
Week 2-9 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew [UG] [Morning] (ttl 4800 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 2-9 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [UG] [Evening] (ttl 200 mg) [m/th]
Week 2-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 250 iu e3.5d [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu) [m/th]

BRIDGE (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 10-13 Testosterone Sustanon 270 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 1080 mg)
Week 10-13 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 2000 mg)
Week 10-13 Mesterolone 50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 1400 mg)
Week 10-13 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 112 iu)
Week 10-13 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 2800 mcg)

BULK 2 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 14-17 Boldenone Undecylenate 800 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg)
Week 14-19 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 6300 mg)
Week 14-19 Mesterolone 100 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 4200 mg)
Week 14-19 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 150 mg)
Week 14-19 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 1500 iu 1stw - 250 iu e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu)
Week 19 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 28 iu)
Week 19 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 70 mcg)

PCT (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 20-23 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/50/50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 2450 mg)
Week 20-25 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 980 mg)
Week 20-26 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 196 iu)
Week 20-26 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 4900 mcg)
Week 27 Human Menopausal Gonadotropin 75 mg eod [PG] [Evening] (ttl 225 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 27 Exemestane 12.5 mg eod [Evening] (ttl 37.5 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 28 Glutathione 600 mg ed [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4.200 mg)

* 270 mg of Testosterone Blend contain:
1. Testosterone Acetate (20 mg)
2. Testosterone Propionate (30 mg)
3. Testosterone Phenylpropionate (60 mg)
4. Testosterone Isocaproate (60 mg)
5. Testosterone Decanoate (100 mg)

1st Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403234
2nd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=424412
3rd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...NPP-EQ-DBOL%29

Results: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-%28DEXAs%29

Sorry to get off topic, but you have the most detailed and thoughtful cycles I've every seen. Right on Bro!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ciao Ronnie, what do you think about my 4th cycle?
Grazie

FRONTLOAD (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 1 Testosterone Sustanon * 540 mg [UG] [Morning] (ttl 540 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 1 Somatropin 24 iu ed [UG] [Early Morning/Morning/Afternoon, 7/7] (ttl 168 iu)
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed [PG] [Early Morning] (ttl 700 mcg)

BULK 1 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 2-9 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed [UG] [Morning] (ttl 5600 mg) {Arachis Oil}
Week 2-9 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg eod [UG] [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/w/f/su]
Week 2-9 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew [UG] [Morning] (ttl 4800 mg) {Arachis Oil} [m/th]
Week 2-9 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [UG] [Evening] (ttl 200 mg) [m/th]
Week 2-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 250 iu e3.5d [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu) [m/th]

BRIDGE (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 10-13 Testosterone Sustanon 270 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 1080 mg)
Week 10-13 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 2000 mg)
Week 10-13 Mesterolone 50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 1400 mg)
Week 10-13 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 112 iu)
Week 10-13 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 2800 mcg)

BULK 2 (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 14-17 Boldenone Undecylenate 800 mg ew [Morning] (ttl 3200 mg)
Week 14-19 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 6300 mg)
Week 14-19 Mesterolone 100 mg ed [Morning] (ttl 4200 mg)
Week 14-19 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 150 mg)
Week 14-19 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 1500 iu 1stw - 250 iu e3.5d [Evening] (ttl 4000 iu)
Week 19 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 28 iu)
Week 19 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 70 mcg)

PCT (??/??/2011 - ??/??/2011)
Week 20-23 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/50/50 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 2450 mg)
Week 20-25 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg ed [PG] [Morning] (ttl 980 mg)
Week 20-26 Somatropin 4 iu ed [Early Morning, 7/7] (ttl 196 iu)
Week 20-26 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed [Early Morning] (ttl 4900 mcg)
Week 27 Human Menopausal Gonadotropin 75 mg eod [PG] [Evening] (ttl 225 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 27 Exemestane 12.5 mg eod [Evening] (ttl 37.5 mg) [m/w/f]
Week 28 Glutathione 600 mg ed [PG] [Evening] (ttl 4.200 mg)

* 270 mg of Testosterone Blend contain:
1. Testosterone Acetate (20 mg)
2. Testosterone Propionate (30 mg)
3. Testosterone Phenylpropionate (60 mg)
4. Testosterone Isocaproate (60 mg)
5. Testosterone Decanoate (100 mg)

1st Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403234
2nd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=424412
3rd Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...NPP-EQ-DBOL%29

Results: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...es-%28DEXAs%29

[B]You have made nice progress during your first 3 reloads so I think your 4th reload looks good. GREAT WORK BY THE WAY![/B]

[BJJ]

thank you

[Old_usmcgrunt]

Ronnie, between of my work (which requires a lot of traveling), family and other activities, I'm looking to REALLY simplify my gear use. So, my question based on your sling shot technique is:
-8 weeks "ON" of Test E (500/week for start then gradually increasing and maxing at say 750/week toward last couple of weeks)
-2 weeks "OFF" everything (no PCT), except maybe HCG

---Repeat the above indefinetely?---

How does this cycle sound Ronnie!

I'm 49 y/o and have been doing 12 week cycles of Test E and EQ for last couple of cycles (including dex 0.5/ED about 1/2 way through cycle) with PCT plus 12 weeks time off. VERY tired of the yo-yoing myself!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, between of my work (which requires a lot of traveling), family and other activities, I'm looking to REALLY simplify my gear use. So, my question based on your sling shot technique is:
-8 weeks "ON" of Test E (500/week for start then gradually increasing and maxing at say 750/week toward last couple of weeks)
-2 weeks "OFF" everything (no PCT), except maybe HCG

---Repeat the above indefinetely?---

How does this cycle sound Ronnie! This cycle is not good for avoiding the yo-yo effect. You want to start out with 750 mgs of test from the3 beginning and drop down to 250 during the 2 week deload not go off and do pct. During second 8 week reload increase test and or add in another compound. 20 weeks cycles are best IMO before PCT. At you age I would never go off for pct but rather do HRT during down times.I'm 49 y/o and have been doing 12 week cycles of Test E and EQ for last couple of cycles (including dex 0.5/ED about 1/2 way through cycle) with PCT plus 12 weeks time off. VERY tired of the yo-yoing myself!

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[SirLiftALOT]

Is HCG truly nescesary Ron ? Ive read so many conflicting articles . Ive done two simple cycles and recovered fine with Torem . Whats your input on this ?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Is HCG truly nescesary Ron ? Ive read so many conflicting articles . Ive done two simple cycles and recovered fine with Torem . Whats your input on this ?

HCG is best but not neccesary if you can recovery without it.

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
I'm on a cycle of Test, Mast, Tren blend and suffering from really bad joint pain in the inside of my elbows, right at the top of my inner forearms. This makes workouts difficult, particularly heavy bicep curls, hammer curls and reverse curls even with low weight are actually quite painfull.
I have decided i'm gonna add some Deca in the mix to see if this eleviates the pain. I need some advise on how much to use per week and how long it should take to see results. I know that deca is slow acting in terms of building strength and mass (up to 6 weeks to see results) but i'm talking about joint pain eleviation. Would I need to wait the same amount of time to see results? Also, where would be the best place to inject in my case? Considering that the problem is in my arms, I would have thought, the best place to inject would be in my delts, bi's or tri's, as it's closer to the problem area, rather than my quads or glutes for example. Is my chain of thought correct?
Thanks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
i'm on a cycle of test, mast, tren blend and suffering from really bad joint pain in the inside of my elbows, right at the top of my inner forearms. This makes workouts difficult, particularly heavy bicep curls, hammer curls and reverse curls even with low weight are actually quite painfull. i get this same pain in those elbows and it's a real problem at times!i have decided i'm gonna add some deca in the mix to see if this eleviates the pain. I need some advise on how much to use per week and how long it should take to see results. I know that deca is slow acting in terms of building strength and mass (up to 6 weeks to see results) but i'm talking about joint pain eleviation. Would i need to wait the same amount of time to see results? i would take 400 mgs per week in one weekly injection and do higher reps for two weeks and by then you will see improvement! also, where would be the best place to inject in my case? Considering that the problem is in my arms, i would have thought, the best place to inject would be in my delts, bi's or tri's, as it's closer to the problem area, rather than my quads or glutes for example. Is my chain of thought correct? it won't matter where you inject! thanks.

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[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
Just wanted to say that today is the last day of my 3rd reload in a row and the results have been nothing short of astounding. People that know me keep coming up and asking me about what my new method is and I refer them right here. Last night I did legs and am making massive gains in strength, size, weight and reps right through to the end. I know you heard this before, but it feels like I could just keep on reloading. I've read posts to this affect and I won't make you tell me what I know you think already. I will deload as prescribed in your system, then start PCT and a new reload and really kick some ass!! Thanks a lot for all your advise!! Your the MAN!!!