You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

first time trying ur methods ron, in my 2nd reload, jus wondering, for this 2nd reload and every other from now the test ent will kick in the usual time week 3 r 4 correct? Its not meant to kick in straight away like is it test-e kicks in within a few hours after injection just like test prop but it takes a few weeks to start noticing the muscle building effects because muscle is not built over-night.

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[LesterAbbott]

hey, it's an awesome content. Great!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey, it's an awesome content. Great!

thank you!

[kelevra]

Getting ready to start week 4 of first reload. First 8 is Test E only @ 500mg weekly. the deload will be 250mg Test weekly. For the second 8 I was going to up the Test to 750 weekly and add 500mg of Decca. How does that sound?

In week 3 I added 250IU of HCG 2x weekly. I have noticed a bit of nipple sensitivity. When just sitting around i feel nothing, but if I hit my chest on something I can feel they have gotten sensitive. I know the HCG will add Estrogen to my system as will the Test. It seems by reading your thread you recommend to stay clear of estrogen control unless it becomes needed. At what point do you recommend adding something to protect from gyno?
I have Aromasin & Nolva on hand. I have seen on the thread were you recommend Aromasin @ 12.5 EOD. Is that about Right?
AND THANKS FOR THE ADVICE ON THE LIQUID EGG WHITES. THEY HAVE ALLOWED ME TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND BETTER WITH MY DIET PLAN. THANKS

[LightBearer631]

Ronnie great post but i have some questions... I planned my first cycle of test-2 500mg wk for 12 or 14wks... now with youre program, how would i apply this?
1) cycle at 500mk a week for 8 weeks, then lower my dosage for 2 weeks- how low?
2) since test-e is a long ester should i just not pin any for the deload? will receptors re-sensatize even though the test e is still active for thoes 2 weeks?
3) and after the deload, would it be cool for me to reload after the 2wks at 500mg per week for another 4-6 weeks ( mind oyu this is a fist cycle)
so is this how i would go about it?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie great post but i have some questions... I planned my first cycle of test-2 500mg wk for 12 or 14wks... Now with youre program, how would i apply this?
1) cycle at 500mk a week for 8 weeks, then lower my dosage for 2 weeks- how low? 250 per week
2) since test-e is a long ester should i just not pin any for the deload? keep pinning once a week as too much of a hormonal change is hard on the body as a whole. will receptors re-sensatize even though the test e is still active for thoes 2 weeks? yes and its just enough time to prevent muscle loss through lower dosing
3) and after the deload, would it be cool for me to reload after the 2wks at 500mg per week for another 4-6 weeks ( mind oyu this is a fist cycle)
so is this how i would go about it? go 750 for second reload and make it 8 weeks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

getting ready to start week 4 of first reload. First 8 is test e only @ 500mg weekly. The deload will be 250mg test weekly. For the second 8 i was going to up the test to 750 weekly and add 500mg of decca. How does that sound? sounds fine if deca does not cause sexual dysfunction for you.in week 3 i added 250iu of hcg 2x weekly. I have noticed a bit of nipple sensitivity. When just sitting around i feel nothing, but if i hit my chest on something i can feel they have gotten sensitive. I know the hcg will add estrogen to my system as will the test. It seems by reading your thread you recommend to stay clear of estrogen control unless it becomes needed. At what point do you recommend adding something to protect from gyno? if you start feeling a lump or start having painful nipples past 2 weeks while doing nothing but sitting around then get some form of estogen control.i have aromasin & nolva on hand. I have seen on the thread were you recommend aromasin @ 12.5 eod. Is that about right? yes and you could use nolvadex first off to eliminate the problem then switch over to aromasin for maintenance which would also prevent estrogen rebound .and thanks for the advice on the liquid egg whites. They have allowed me to be more creative and better with my diet plan. great to hear! thanks

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[lynxeffect1]

why is it that the first few times i took dbol it boosted my apetite greatly but now ive had to come off after 2 wks cause it was killing my apetite

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;556***1]why is it that the first few times i took dbol it boosted my apetite greatly but now ive had to come off after 2 wks cause it was killing my apetite MAYBE YOU HAVE GOT A HOLD OF SOME ANADROL INSTEAD OF REAL D-BOL. ARE YOU RUNNING A HIGHER DOSAGE NOW? DID YOU MAKE GOOD GAINS ON D-BOL THE FIRST FEW TIMES YOU USED IT?[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[lynxeffect1]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5571766]

why is it that the first few times i took dbol it boosted my apetite greatly but now ive had to come off after 2 wks cause it was killing my apetite MAYBE YOU HAVE GOT A HOLD OF SOME ANADROL INSTEAD OF REAL D-BOL. ARE YOU RUNNING A HIGHER DOSAGE NOW? DID YOU MAKE GOOD GAINS ON D-BOL THE FIRST FEW TIMES YOU USED IT?[/QUOTE]ABOVE

Wel it suposed to be d-bol anyway! i have box of d-bol and anadrol, yes the first time i took dbol it was dbol only cycle and 5 tabs a day and made great gains , then the 2nd time with 5 a day with a diff brand made great gains again, esp in strength both times, eg . 20 kg rise in my squat both times, took 7 tabs this time but came off because nothing had happened after 14 days and killing my apetite, this was a diff brand again, before this with my test i took anadrol of the same brand, 2 a day , 2 a day, then one a day , then one a day, then repeat, gained a lot of weight - a pound a day for first 2 weeks but dropped it at week 3 because getn cramps incase it ruined the cycle but didnt see the great strength gains that are talked about, went from 95 to 105s for incline db which i suppose is stil a gud gain but gaind no more strength then after that when the test was supposed to be kicking in , i thought combining wud give greater results than one steroid alone? then in my 2 week deload went back to only being able to handle 95's for incline db. so im 2 weeks into 2nd reload now and doin just test cause of dropping the dbol

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;5572089]

Wel it suposed to be d-bol anyway! i have box of d-bol and anadrol, yes the first time i took dbol it was dbol only cycle and 5 tabs a day and made great gains , then the 2nd time with 5 a day with a diff brand made great gains again, esp in strength both times, eg . 20 kg rise in my squat both times, took 7 tabs this time but came off because nothing had happened after 14 days and killing my apetite, this was a diff brand again, before this with my test i took anadrol of the same brand, 2 a day , 2 a day, then one a day , then one a day, then repeat, gained a lot of weight - a pound a day for first 2 weeks but dropped it at week 3 because getn cramps incase it ruined the cycle but didnt see the great strength gains that are talked about, went from 95 to 105s for incline db which i suppose is stil a gud gain but gaind no more strength then after that when the test was supposed to be kicking in , i thought combining wud give greater results than one steroid alone? then in my 2 week deload went back to only being able to handle 95's for incline db. so im 2 weeks into 2nd reload now and doin just test cause of dropping the dbol

COMBINING TEST WITH ANY STEROID ACCELERATES GAINS AND FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT YOUR D-BOL COULD BE FAKE!

[MercuryEvo]

So Below is the my game plan. But I can only get HCG in 10,000IU bottles and once you reconstitute with BS water, it only last 20-30 days. So My problem is I'd have to get like 5-6 bottles and waste alot of it. Anyone have any tips for making it last longer, or dividing it up when its a powder accurately? Or can I run it another way?



Ok I decided to wait until soon to start this, so hopefully I can look nice for summer Here is my plan. Ronnie, please critique.
I'm 5'9" 1/2 and 188 lbs with 12%-14% BF. I can drop down to 180lbs pretty easily though and probably will do so before beginning this.


My only questions are:

A. Should I do traps with shoulders or do them alone on the bi's/chest day?
B. How bad is it if I drink alcohol here and there on the weekends? Lets say a few beers with friends or a few drinks, I'd keep it down to 1x a week at most?


mon Chest/biceps + cardio
tues Legs + cardio
weds Off (maybe cardio)
thurs Shoulders/triceps + cardio
fri Back + cardio
sat Off (maybe cardio)
sun Off (maybe cardio)

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
Week 1 500mg Test E
week 2 500mg Test E
week 3 500mg Test E
week 4 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 5 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 6 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 7 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 8 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 10 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 12 700mg Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 13 700mg Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 15 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 16 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 17 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 18 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 20 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD, HCG 500iu
week 22 Nolvadex, 40mg ED, Clomid, 70mgED
week 23 Nolvadex, 40mg ED, Clomid, 70mgED
week 24 Nolvadex, 20mg ED, Clomid, 35mgED
week 25 Nolvadex, 20mg ED, Clomid, 35mgED

[Ronnie Rowland]

so below is the my game plan. But i can only get hcg in 10,000iu bottles and once you reconstitute with bs water, it only last 20-30 days. So my problem is i'd have to get like 5-6 bottles and waste alot of it. Anyone have any tips for making it last longer, or dividing it up when its a powder accurately? Or can i run it another way?



Ok i decided to wait until soon to start this, so hopefully i can look nice for summer here is my plan. Ronnie, please critique.
I'm 5'9" 1/2 and 188 lbs with 12%-14% bf. I can drop down to 180lbs pretty easily though and probably will do so before beginning this.


My only questions are:

A. Should i do traps with shoulders or do them alone on the bi's/chest day? if your traps do not get sore do them on shoulder day. If they do get sore post-training then do them on chest day so they do not intefere with back training.
B. How bad is it if i drink alcohol here and there on the weekends? Lets say a few beers with friends or a few drinks, i'd keep it down to 1x a week at most? a little once a week is not too bad when using test only but if someone is using anadrol or d-bol i would steer clear.
mon chest/biceps + cardio
tues legs + cardio
weds off (maybe cardio)
thurs shoulders/triceps + cardio
fri back + cardio
sat off (maybe cardio)
sun off (maybe cardio)

reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 1 500mg test e
week 2 500mg test e
week 3 500mg test e
week 4 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 5 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 6 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 7 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 8 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 10 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 12 700mg test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 13 700mg test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 15 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 16 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 17 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 18 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 20 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

pct: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 aromasin 12.5mg eod, hcg 500iu
week 22 nolvadex, 40mg ed, clomid, 70mged
week 23 nolvadex, 40mg ed, clomid, 70mged
week 24 nolvadex, 20mg ed, clomid, 35mged
week 25 nolvadex, 20mg ed, clomid, 35mged

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[Loges]

So Below is the my game plan. But I can only get HCG in 10,000IU bottles and once you reconstitute with BS water, it only last 20-30 days. So My problem is I'd have to get like 5-6 bottles and waste alot of it. Anyone have any tips for making it last longer, or dividing it up when its a powder accurately? Or can I run it another way?



Ok I decided to wait until soon to start this, so hopefully I can look nice for summer Here is my plan. Ronnie, please critique.
I'm 5'9" 1/2 and 188 lbs with 12%-14% BF. I can drop down to 180lbs pretty easily though and probably will do so before beginning this.


My only questions are:

A. Should I do traps with shoulders or do them alone on the bi's/chest day?
B. How bad is it if I drink alcohol here and there on the weekends? Lets say a few beers with friends or a few drinks, I'd keep it down to 1x a week at most?


mon Chest/biceps + cardio
tues Legs + cardio
weds Off (maybe cardio)
thurs Shoulders/triceps + cardio
fri Back + cardio
sat Off (maybe cardio)
sun Off (maybe cardio)

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
Week 1 500mg Test E
week 2 500mg Test E
week 3 500mg Test E
week 4 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 5 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 6 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 7 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 8 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 10 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 12 700mg Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 13 700mg Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 15 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 16 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 17 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 18 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 20 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD, HCG 500iu
week 22 Nolvadex, 40mg ED, Clomid, 70mgED
week 23 Nolvadex, 40mg ED, Clomid, 70mgED
week 24 Nolvadex, 20mg ED, Clomid, 35mgED
week 25 Nolvadex, 20mg ED, Clomid, 35mgED

you didnt answer how his cycle for reload/deload and pct along with carb/protein/fat intake looked. whether it was good or not. could you please do so as im looking at doing a similar cycle.

[chapala45900]

can anyone help me,,,,i want to try my first cycle,,,, i have 2 bottles of sustanon 250,,,2 bottles deca 300 and 1 bottle trembolone 100 each 10ml.... also clenbuterol,,t3 and ketotifen,,,any idea how to use all this,,,

[MercuryEvo]

can anyone help me,,,,i want to try my first cycle,,,, i have 2 bottles of sustanon 250,,,2 bottles deca 300 and 1 bottle trembolone 100 each 10ml.... also clenbuterol,,t3 and ketotifen,,,any idea how to use all this,,,

hmm,

1. your in the wrong thread
2. you need to read for the next month straight before you do anything or your probably gonna hurt yourself

click advanced search at the top right and start reading...

[Ronnie Rowland]

can anyone help me,,,,i want to try my first cycle,,,, i have 2 bottles of sustanon 250,,,2 bottles deca 300 and 1 bottle trembolone 100 each 10ml.... Also clenbuterol,,t3 and ketotifen,,,any idea how to use all this,,,

do some research. First time cycles are test only in order to see how your body is going to react. Deca will probably kill your libido! Tren is for the more advanced. Sustanon at 1ml mwf is good.

[kisektah1]

Hey RR,

Can you please have a look at my winter cycle:

Wk 1-10: 750mg EW (2x375 Sun/Wed) Sus 250 (1000mg kick start wk 1)
Wk 1-10: 250mg EW Deca
Wk 1-4: 50mcg ED IGF-1 L3 (25mcg bi-laterally Mon-Fri post workout)
Wk 8-11: 50mcg ED IGF-1 L3 (25mcg bi-laterally Mon-Fri post workout)
Wk 1-10: Adex 0.25mg E3D

*HCG only wk 7: 500IU (Mon, Wed, Fri)

PCT: (15 Days After last Pin)

wk 13-16 Nolva: 40/40/20/20(mg ED)
wk 13-14 Clomid: 50mg ED
wk 13-16 Tribulus 50mg ED

Suppliments:
Multi-V/ Fish Oil/ Milk thistle/ Celery Seed.

Just a few Questions:
- How does my cycle look?
- Is my pct good enough?
- I have never used Sus and/or Deca before will i bloat much of them? If i do get a watery look, will it be off balanced by the IGF-1, since it's supposed to help with fat loss?
- Are there major side effects of IGF-1 L3?
- You recon ill have gyno problems

btw im 32, 5'11" tall, and weigh 220 lbs, BF 16%

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey rr,

can you please have a look at my winter cycle:

Wk 1-10: 750mg ew (2x375 sun/wed) sus 250 (1000mg kick start wk 1)
wk 1-10: 250mg ew deca
wk 1-4: 50mcg ed igf-1 l3 (25mcg bi-laterally mon-fri post workout)
wk 8-11: 50mcg ed igf-1 l3 (25mcg bi-laterally mon-fri post workout)
wk 1-10: Adex 0.25mg e3d

*hcg only wk 7: 500iu (mon, wed, fri)

pct: (15 days after last pin)

wk 13-16 nolva: 40/40/20/20(mg ed)
wk 13-14 clomid: 50mg ed
wk 13-16 tribulus 50mg ed

suppliments:
Multi-v/ fish oil/ milk thistle/ celery seed.

Just a few questions:
- how does my cycle look? :d
- is my pct good enough?
- i have never used sus and/or deca before will i bloat much of them? If i do get a watery look, will it be off balanced by the igf-1, since it's supposed to help with fat loss?
- are there major side effects of igf-1 l3?
- you recon ill have gyno problems

btw im 32, 5'11" tall, and weigh 220 lbs, bf 16%

thanks

it's all messed up! Go re-read the first page and look at others 20 week sample cycles in this thread.

[kisektah1]

double post..

[VRO]

first post... just checking.

[kelevra]

When using a normal base of Test E, is the full 8 week reload @30-50mg of Dbol to stressful for the liver?
Or would it be better to use the Dbol for just 4 weeks for a kick start?
What are your ideas on the relevance of the toxicity to the liver?
Your input is always greatly appreciated.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ron...does steroids increase sleep apnea??? your thoughts on c-pap????

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron...does steroids increase sleep apnea??? i don't think we really know 100% at this point but i have seen no evidence that steroids alone cause the throat tissue to thicken but they can disrupt breathing a little for some at night-probably due to water weight. Your thoughts on c-pap????i like the bi-pap machine much better!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

when using a normal base of test e, is the full 8 week reload @30-50mg of dbol to stressful for the liver? use it 8 weeks along with test!or would it be better to use the dbol for just 4 weeks for a kick start? better to run 30 mgs for 8 weeks than 50 for only 4 weeks. It takes time to build muscle!what are your ideas on the relevance of the toxicity to the liver? taking high dosages without going off is the problem but 8 weeks is fine. Also, some elevation in liver enzymes can make you feel tired but its not going to hurt you long term unless you already have liver problems.your input is always greatly appreciated.

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

ooohh bye the way--carbmaster yogurt-the bomb!!!!

[djdizzy]

ooohh bye the way--carbmaster yogurt-the bomb!!!!

I agree! Just found it at Ralphs a couple of weeks ago! Great find Ron!

Question, I have a mobile BF% Dunk tank coming to my area. Is it worth it to get checked while on cycle or will all the water weight throw off the reading?

Thanks!
Dizzy

[lynxeffect1]

if u brake ur dbol/adrol cycle for a few days due to stomach craps or any reason is der any point in starting up again or is the cycle ruined as far as taking the tablets go? also does site injection increase the certain muscle or is the no differance at all ?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;5573359]if u brake ur dbol/adrol cycle for a few days due to stomach craps or any reason is der any point in starting up again or is the cycle ruined as far as taking the tablets go? No, just start back up ASP. also does site injection increase the certain muscle or is the no differance at all ? No difference at all.[/QUOTE]above

[Tom Bodo]

Hi Ronnie,

regarding oxymetholone - some say you will bloat extremely, some say they get even more vascular. What is your experience? How is the bloat of 100mg oxy ed compared to 1g test a week?

Another side effect should be bad acne. How bad is it really compared to test?

I really appreciate that you share all your experience in this thread that honestly. This is rare and a great help!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

regarding oxymetholone - some say you will bloat extremely, some say they get even more vascular. What is your experience? How is the bloat of 100mg oxy ed compared to 1g test a week? actually, it all depends on the individual. For me personally,1 gram of test would be less bloat, especially in face.another side effect should be bad acne. How bad is it really compared to test? a litle worse for me but nothing crazy. That said, everyone reacts differently so you may be like me and you may be the totally opposite. You just never really know until you try! i really appreciate that you share all your experience in this thread that honestly. This is rare and a great help!

above

[kisektah1]

Hey RR,
Ive read through most of your amazing thread and these are the 2, 20 week cycles i have come up with:

Cycle 1:
Reload: (12 working sets heavy weight, high protien intake)
Wk 1 - 8: 525mg EW (EW = every week) Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload: (Increase Reps decrease sets, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 8-10: 255mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Reload (Phase 2): (12 working sets heavy weight, high protien intake)
Wk 11-18: 795mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload (Phase 2): (Increase Reps, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 18-20: 300mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

*HCG Only Weeks: 4, 8, 12, 16: 250iu x2 Every Week

PCT (4 Days after last pin)
Wk 21+: Nolva 40/20/20/10
Wk 21 – 23: HCG 2500iu E4D

OR!!

Do the same thing but, for my deaload in Week 8-10, instead of decreasing Test p dosage, should I just jump onto a 2 week PCT looking like….

Cycle 2:
Reload:
Wk 1 - 8: 525mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload: (Increase Reps, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 8-10: Nolva 20mg ED
Wk 8-10: HCG 1250iu E4D

Reload (Phase 2):
Wk 11-18: 795mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload (Phase 2): (Increase Reps, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 18-20: 300mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

* No HCG throughout!

PCT (4 Days after last pin)
Wk 21+: Nolva 40/20/20/10
Wk 21 – 23: HCG 2500iu E4D

Im not sure which cycle to choose. Which would be better? Are my HCG, timing and dosages correct? Is the second Deload necessary (Wk 18-20) or should I just jump to PCT in Week 19? Would I get much gyno symptoms?

Thanks For the help!

PS: im 32, 5'11" tall, and weigh 220 lbs, bf 16%.

My Suppiments are:
Multi-v/ fish oil/ milk thistle/ celery seed.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey RR,
Ive read through most of your amazing thread and these are the 2, 20 week cycles i have come up with:

Cycle 1:
Reload: (12 working sets heavy weight, high protien intake)
Wk 1 - 8: 525mg EW (EW = every week) Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload: (Increase Reps decrease sets, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 8-10: 255mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Reload (Phase 2): (12 working sets heavy weight, high protien intake)
Wk 11-18: 795mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload (Phase 2): (Increase Reps, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 18-20: 300mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

*HCG Only Weeks: 4, 8, 12, 16: 250iu x2 Every Week

PCT (4 Days after last pin)
Wk 21+: Nolva 40/20/20/10
Wk 21 – 23: HCG 2500iu E4D

OR!! Cycle looks good so go with first option above keeping test in as opposed to doing pct only during 2 week deloads.Do the same thing but, for my deaload in Week 8-10, instead of decreasing Test p dosage, should I just jump onto a 2 week PCT looking like….

Cycle 2:
Reload:
Wk 1 - 8: 525mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload: (Increase Reps, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 8-10: Nolva 20mg ED
Wk 8-10: HCG 1250iu E4D

Reload (Phase 2):
Wk 11-18: 795mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

Deload (Phase 2): (Increase Reps, Increase Carbs for 2 weeks)
Wk 18-20: 300mg EW Test p (Inj; M,W,F)

* No HCG throughout!

PCT (4 Days after last pin)
Wk 21+: Nolva 40/20/20/10
Wk 21 – 23: HCG 2500iu E4D

Im not sure which cycle to choose. Which would be better? Option 1 Are my HCG, timing and dosages correct? There's many ways to run hcg. The way you have it set up will work just fine. Is the second Deload necessary (Wk 18-20) or should I just jump to PCT in Week 19? Do second deload to allow time for the endocrine system to adjust. Its best not to shock it! Would I get much gyno symptoms? No one can answer that question but odds are you wont get gyno!Thanks For the help!
PS: im 32, 5'11" tall, and weigh 220 lbs, bf 16%.

My Suppiments are:
Multi-v/ fish oil/ milk thistle/ celery seed. drop milk thistle and celery seed IMO and add fish oil

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[Mackn]

Great thread bro

[lynxeffect1]

forgot to mention ron , the first time i took dbol , under the side of my ankles and in between my elbow joints were extremely lubricated i had lumps there and it was fantastic for lifting heavy. since then ive used diff dbol and never had that again, shud i have gotten that again if the dbol was proper or was it just because the first time is ur best ? ive also being reading more books and online about the wrestlers inda 80s/90s inda wwe and basically it seems everyone was on amounts totalling nearly 10grams a week, how the hell did they combat the water retention ??? was it t up just up the amounts of anti e's aswel ? ud expect their heads to be like balloons! lastly ron this is a bit off topic but have u ever watched jersey shore , theres 2 guys in it ,ronnie and mike, ronnies like pj braun and mikes like rambo! i know ur not seeing everything but it seems they both eat **** all and when they do its something crap and totally differant everyday, no sets meals ever and they go out drinking then nearly every night of the week!!! this is totally against everything ur supposed to be doin, how is this , is it just abusing large doses again?

[Cronos]

Ronnie, I know you advise to run HCG at 1500 - 2500iu for 2-3 weeks in PCT, so what the F is with this quote I just read by a member in another thread I started???

"hcg should not be taken during pct, as it can shut you down. You should take it 2 weeks into the cycle and stop a week or 2 before the end of the cycle. Swifto has a great thread on hcg you should check it out."

This guy went on to say he learned this from Swifto's thread on PCT and HCG usage. Please help me understand this, as I'm SUPER confused. You and many others on here say to use HCG as it kicks ur boys BACK UP AND RUNNING, not shut you down. What the hell???

[VASCULAR VINCE]

does tendon size...determine rep range...to prevent injury????

[Ronnie Rowland]

[quote=vascular vince;5577278]does tendon size...determine rep range...to prevent injury???? yes! In general, the thinner your tendons the higher reps you should do and you will probably have to do more cable work for arms. Slower reps are also best. People with thicker tendons tend to get by with doing free weights using more explosiveness in the lower rep range and they tend to be stronger but not necessarily have larger muscles. The ones with larger tendons and muscles are what we refer to as beasts! Here's a perfect example (Mariusz Pudzianowski vs Ronnie Coleman- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfHFT...eature=related /quote]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, I know you advise to run HCG at 1500 - 2500iu for 2-3 weeks in PCT, so what the F is with this quote I just read by a member in another thread I started???

"hcg should not be taken during pct, as it can shut you down. You should take it 2 weeks into the cycle and stop a week or 2 before the end of the cycle. Swifto has a great thread on hcg you should check it out."

This guy went on to say he learned this from Swifto's thread on PCT and HCG usage. Please help me understand this, as I'm SUPER confused. You and many others on here say to use HCG as it kicks ur boys BACK UP AND RUNNING, not shut you down. What the hell??? I've never heard of HCG shutting anyone down. The guys I have trained on steroids never had a problem bouncing back with hcg so I see no confusion. HCG flat out works-end of story!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

forgot to mention ron , the first time i took dbol , under the side of my ankles and in between my elbow joints were extremely lubricated i had lumps there and it was fantastic for lifting heavy. since then ive used diff dbol and never had that again, shud i have gotten that again if the dbol was proper or was it just because the first time is ur best ? It sounds like you would need to take a higher dosage of d-bol now to experience such an extreme effect since your body has become accustomed. ive also being reading more books and online about the wrestlers inda 80s/90s inda wwe and basically it seems everyone was on amounts totalling nearly 10grams a week, how the hell did they combat the water retention ??? The body reaches a point of diminishing returns in regards to how much water it will hold and after a while the body adapts to the higher dosages of drugs and you begin to hold less water. Some may have been taking anti-es and some took diurectics before going on stage or cut off their water the day before filming an event. iswas it t up just up the amounts of anti e's aswel ? ud expect their heads to be like balloons! lastly ron this is a bit off topic but have u ever watched jersey shore , never theres 2 guys in it ,ronnie and mike, ronnies like pj braun and mikes like rambo! i know ur not seeing everything but it seems they both eat **** all and when they do its something crap and totally differant everyday, no sets meals ever and they go out drinking then nearly every night of the week!!! this is totally against everything ur supposed to be doin, how is this , is it just abusing large doses again? Number one it's their genetics. Secondly, they are probably not taking in tons of calories if they are not eating 6 meals per day. I know of people like this who look great and do all the wrong things but I'll bet they are eating clean foods behind the scenes and eating crap on film just to flip people out! And yes they are probably taking various drugs, but how much I do not know?

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