You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

i wanted to blast for a year and if that goes well then extend that to 2 years. During the reloads i use 500iu/week of hcg

1. Will this blasting through out the year permanently shut me down if i don't take a break or do pct even though i use hcg. no one can answer this question with accuracy. My good friend who's been on for two years non-stop just got his girl pregnant a couple of months ago and he never ran hcg. I think it takes only a few healthy sperm to get a highly fertile female pregnant. But it could be that he had a lot of fertility. We do not know because there have been no test on him. You could have your sperm tested after a 2 0week reload to see how fertile you are and even have your sperm frozen for future use if desired. I feel thats not a bad option. 2. Will the hcg through this year long blast allow me to have kids? i would say yes for many people but not all. Would i need pct for that? might as well run 1500 of hcg eod for 2 week post cycle.3. At what stage do i start pct and give the system a break before i start the next blast. For example if i wanted a break after a year of blasting then will i do the traditional pct and then jump on another blast for year 2 or go straight to year 2 blast i would do pct and give the body an 8 week break before going back on another yearly cycle. Also, each time you take a break from steroids by way of pct you do not need to start at the higher dosages you finished off with because your body wil respond with lower dosages starting back up! thanks

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron! Quick question: I'm in the middle of my second 20 week blast, and this time I am trying out the method of running HCG @ 250iu twice a week throughout the blast. (Last time I just used your protocol of 1500-2500iu EOD for 2 weeks at the end)

My question is, since I am running it throughout in the manner that I am, I don't run it in PCT, Right?? Not neccesarily. Some stop hcg around the time of their last injection but if you want to play it safe run pct at around 1500 eod for 1-2 weeks post cycle. What week exactly do I stop?

And should I ramp it up a little near the end, say 500iu twice a week for the last 4 weeks? no! just do pct for 2 weeks at 1500 eod
Thanks!!!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

tried your slight decline bench today. I used regular bb bench and used about a 3-4 inch block to raise to a bit of a decline. It took a set or 2 to get settled in, but when i did i felt a positive stress deep in mid pecs. I went my normal weight that i use for flat bb, but was getting such focus on chest i pulled up a few reps short from almost cramping.
The more of your strategies i use, the better it gets. Mad props ronnie for your time, effort, and knowledge. I know i speak for all that follow your thread. Thanks.

thank you for letting me know. Glad i could be of help!

[MACHINE5150]

Hey Ronnie.. thinking of trying this method here and wanted to know what you think:

Okay.. stats first..
228 16-17%BF now.. when i start on May 1st.. i should be 220-225lbs and 15%BF.. 5'11" 28y.o.
previous cycles:
2003 600mg Test400/300mg Norma Hellas (loved those) - 10 weeks
2004 800mg Test400/400mg mexican deca - 10 weeks
2010 600mg Test E/400mg Deca/100mg ProvironED -12 weeks (kickstarted with 100mg ABombs first 5 weeks)

ended last cycle in late NOV.. so it will be 5 months off total, i was originally thinking of doing 100mg prop / 50 mg Tren A ED for 8 weeks..

Weeks 1-8 (may 1st-june 25th) 700mg Prop / 350mg NPP
Weeks 9-10 (June 26th - July 9th) 120mg Torem / 40mg Tamox ED
Weeks 11-18 (July 10th - Sept 4th) 700mg Prop / 525mg NPP
Weeks 19-20 (Sept 18th- Oct 1st) 120mg Torem / 40mg Tamox ED
Weeks 21-24 (Oct 2nd - Oct 30th) 60mg Torem / 20mg Tamox ED

Been cutting the 2 months prior to starting.. so i figured i could put on some good mass with the NPP and then chizzle it down with the tren at the end.. hoping to get to 240lbs 13% BF.. Thats my goal anyways.. all constructive criticism is welcome..

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=MACHINE5150;5595011]Hey Ronnie.. thinking of trying this method here and wanted to know what you think:

Okay.. stats first..
228 16-17%BF now.. when i start on May 1st.. i should be 220-225lbs and 15%BF.. 5'11" 28y.o.
previous cycles:
2003 600mg Test400/300mg Norma Hellas (loved those) - 10 weeks
2004 800mg Test400/400mg mexican deca - 10 weeks
2010 600mg Test E/400mg Deca/100mg ProvironED -12 weeks (kickstarted with 100mg ABombs first 5 weeks)

ended last cycle in late NOV.. so it will be 5 months off total, i was originally thinking of doing 100mg prop / 50 mg Tren A ED for 8 weeks..

Weeks 1-8 (may 1st-june 25th) 700mg Prop / 350mg NPP
Weeks 9-10 (June 26th - July 9th) 120mg Torem / 40mg Tamox ED
Weeks 11-18 (July 10th - Sept 4th) 700mg Prop / 525mg NPP
Weeks 19-20 (Sept 18th- Oct 1st) 120mg Torem / 40mg Tamox ED
Weeks 21-24 (Oct 2nd - Oct 30th) 60mg Torem / 20mg Tamox ED

Been cutting the 2 months prior to starting.. so i figured i could put on some good mass with the NPP and then chizzle it down with the tren at the end.. hoping to get to 240lbs 13% BF.. Thats my goal anyways.. all constructive criticism is welcome..TEST/TREN WILL BUILD MORE MASS THAN TEST/DECA UNLESS YOU ADD ANADROL OR D-BOL. THINK ABOUT THIS AND GET BACK WITH ME ON A NEW PLAN SO I CAN GIVE YOU MY OPINION![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[lynxeffect1]

ya i think your dead right ron, dave wud be slated right away! , esp by people who dont have an interest or understand bodybuilding as it always is. i asked you about lowering water weight the other day cause im sick of people sayn ive ruined my looks , ive nornally fairly chiseled face but while on gear my face carrys lot of water and makes hy head look rounded i hate it and now since ive tried ur methods they have worked great but im gonna be full of water in my face all the time now. u said its about lowering carbs and fats but im only taking in 350 grams of carbs and im an ectomorphic body type,wel or i was anyway. heres my diet , meal 1. 50grams of oats with milk and 6 large free range eggs. meal 2 . chicken breast (300grams in weight) taking thr at theres about 24 grams of protein per 100g, thats 72grams of protein and about 55grams of wholegrain brown rice. meal 3. same as 2 meal 4. bsn true mass after training. meal 5. same as 2 meal 6. 300 grams of 95/5 ground meat and 55 grams of wholegrain brown rice. meal 7. 300grams of 95/5 ground meat, no carbs. i recently added in 2 spoons of extra virgin olive oil or natural p.butter to every meal except 1 and 4. this helped me grown more i think but added water or fat to my stomach. althought water weight around my face is the same wheather i took any healthy fats or not. i drink about a litre of water with every meal, im forever goin for a piss! im sure cardio wud also help but i jus dont have time with kids etc and it take an hours drive jus for me to get to the gym.,althought i tink i need to buy a treadmill when i can afford it cause i sweatbuckets all the time if ive to run around or do anything and i live in ireland so its not even hot here!

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, ive never fully done a cutting cycle before and have always tried to add lean mass so pretty much all my cycles have been test and tren at different doses. my favourite thing to do in my spare time is read this thread over and over because the advice you give is invaluable and honestly i wouldnt be where i am now without this thread and your help! after my torn pec ive done a reload of 1.5g test e and 750mg tren (tried going higher on tren with lower test but the sweats were too much!) and ive come back up to 119kg but my bf is around 20% maybe higher (can still see slight abs but i think thats because of the tren hardness and haven't had accurate bf measurement) so this time i would like to cut.
i read in a previous post that no deload is needed for cutting so 16 weeks but do you think i should reduce test to 1g or keep it at 1.5? i dont think i will do tren this time because i need a break from all the sweating! and i dont have alot of money for more than another compound so should i go for masteron or primo or even anavar?
i was thinking
16 weeks 1-1.5g test p (or any other test, i dont really see why test p is needed if not preparing for a contest though! less bloat maybe?)
and 600mg mast or primo/anavar
2 weeks clen 1 week off for 6 weeks then stay on for the following 10 weeks
working upto 100mcg t3
adex if needed.

thanks a lot for your advice ronnie.

[delta1111]

Ronnie,

A bit of a personal question for you, hope you don't mind.

What the largest dosed cycle you have ever ran? and what does your usual cycle consist of??

[bernimx]

Hey Ronnie,

Why is it that you do not need to deload while cutting?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie.....this most awesome thread is turning out... to be as popular as the old cycling for pennies thread ....by the infamous doggcrapp...very inspirational for the rest of us...your knowledge is amazing!!!!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ya i think your dead right ron, dave wud be slated right away! , esp by people who dont have an interest or understand bodybuilding as it always is. I asked you about lowering water weight the other day cause im sick of people sayn ive ruined my looks , ive nornally fairly chiseled face but while on gear my face carrys lot of water and makes hy head look rounded i hate it and now since ive tried ur methods they have worked great but im gonna be full of water in my face all the time now. U said its about lowering carbs and fats but im only taking in 350 grams of carbs and im an ectomorphic body type,wel or i was anyway. Heres my diet , meal 1. 50grams of oats with milk and 6 large free range eggs. Meal 2 . Chicken breast (300grams in weight) taking thr at theres about 24 grams of protein per 100g, thats 72grams of protein and about 55grams of wholegrain brown rice. Meal 3. Same as 2 meal 4. Bsn true mass after training. Meal 5. Same as 2 meal 6. 300 grams of 95/5 ground meat and 55 grams of wholegrain brown rice. Meal 7. 300grams of 95/5 ground meat, no carbs. I recently added in 2 spoons of extra virgin olive oil or natural p.butter to every meal except 1 and 4. This helped me grown more i think but added water or fat to my stomach. Althought water weight around my face is the same wheather i took any healthy fats or not. I drink about a litre of water with every meal, im forever goin for a piss! you do not have to over do the water and keep salt low! im sure cardio wud also help but i jus dont have time with kids etc and it take an hours drive jus for me to get to the gym.,althought i tink i need to buy a treadmill when i can afford it cause i sweatbuckets all the time if ive to run around or do anything and i live in ireland so its not even hot here! what does your cycle look like and do you have calipers to measure body fat levels? If you ever notice, most pros have a very bloated face in the off-season. It's genrally necessary to get big unless yiou take anti-es and risk ruining your joints,libido and energy levels. .

above

[MACHINE5150]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5597666]

Hey Ronnie.. thinking of trying this method here and wanted to know what you think:

Okay.. stats first..
228 16-17%BF now.. when i start on May 1st.. i should be 220-225lbs and 15%BF.. 5'11" 28y.o.
previous cycles:
2003 600mg Test400/300mg Norma Hellas (loved those) - 10 weeks
2004 800mg Test400/400mg mexican deca - 10 weeks
2010 600mg Test E/400mg Deca/100mg ProvironED -12 weeks (kickstarted with 100mg ABombs first 5 weeks)

ended last cycle in late NOV.. so it will be 5 months off total, i was originally thinking of doing 100mg prop / 50 mg Tren A ED for 8 weeks..

Weeks 1-8 (may 1st-june 25th) 700mg Prop / 350mg NPP
Weeks 9-10 (June 26th - July 9th) 120mg Torem / 40mg Tamox ED
Weeks 11-18 (July 10th - Sept 4th) 700mg Prop / 525mg NPP
Weeks 19-20 (Sept 18th- Oct 1st) 120mg Torem / 40mg Tamox ED
Weeks 21-24 (Oct 2nd - Oct 30th) 60mg Torem / 20mg Tamox ED

Been cutting the 2 months prior to starting.. so i figured i could put on some good mass with the NPP and then chizzle it down with the tren at the end.. hoping to get to 240lbs 13% BF.. Thats my goal anyways.. all constructive criticism is welcome..TEST/TREN WILL BUILD MORE MASS THAN TEST/DECA UNLESS YOU ADD ANADROL OR D-BOL. THINK ABOUT THIS AND GET BACK WITH ME ON A NEW PLAN SO I CAN GIVE YOU MY OPINION![/QUOTE]ABOVE

decided to go with tren ace and test p 75mg of each ED for 8 weeks.. then 2 weeks off deload with a torem at 120mg and then another 8 weeks at same dosage.. i suppose sticking to tren is the best thing to do regardless.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=MACHINE5150;5633435]

decided to go with tren ace and test p 75mg of each ED for 8 weeks.. then 2 weeks off deload with a torem at 120mg and then another 8 weeks at same dosage.. i suppose sticking to tren is the best thing to do regardless.

Sounds like a good plan! You could throw in some winstrol and/or clen during second 8 week reload to obtain an even harder appearance.

[MACHINE5150]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5634205]

Sounds like a good plan! You could throw in some winstrol and/or clen during second 8 week reload to obtain an even harder appearance.

thinking of running some anavar.. good call bud. i appreciate the help and will be posting a log to record progress.

Thanks

[The Titan99]

It eventually had to happen. A fully equipped, air conditioned gym has opened on my island and my training buddy has bought me a year membership for helping him with his diet and workout!!!! Anyway, I've been training with my own stuff which is considerable, but I was lacking in a few areas like heavy dumbbells, pulley systems, cross-over cable machines and the like. I'm in the final week of an 8 week super high volume blast then I'm deloading for 2 weeks, followed by another 8 week blast. This is my problem. Before I was always limited in the exercises I could do because of lack of equipment. Now I'm looking around like a dog in the butcher shop, a kid in a candy store etc. This last year I really got everything dialed in (training, diet, cardio, anabolics, etc) and have had outstanding results!! I've been using pretty much the same exercises and I'd like to change some things up. Just for instance, I do all presses for chest, shrugs with a barbell, tri kickbacks twice a week, dips and such. The skull crushers and dips have hurt my elbows and rotator cuff a little, as well as the pullovers. I've been doing 6 sets of rear laterals for rear delts, but I can't really do anything different till now due to equipment restrictions. What I was hoping was I could post my workout and you guys could offer suggestions of possible changes. I never really had a chance to workout in a real gym before. At least not in the last 20 years.I highlighted some things I was thinking about off the top of my head.

Tuesday - Chest/Tri's - Chest Flat Bench Warm Ups, Prep Set, 1-4, 8-12, 8-12 Incline Bench 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 Decline Bench 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 MAYBE MOVE FLAT BENCH TO THE END AND CHANGE WITH DB PRESSES OR POSSIBLY ADD SOME CROSSOVER CABLE SETS? Triceps Close grip Bench Press 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 Overhead Dumbbell Tri Extensions 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 Tri Kickbacks 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 MAYBE ADD ANOTHER EXERCISE? CABLE/ROPE PRESSDOWNS AND REDUCE SETS TO 3 PER EXERCISE? I ALSO HATE TRI KICKBACKS. LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS HERE... AM Fasted Cardio 35 min

Wednesday - Back/Biceps Dead lift Warm up, Prep Set, 1-4, 5-6, 5-6, 5-6, 5-6 Back Thickness Underhand Bent Over Rows Warm Ups, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 T-Bar Rows 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 I WAS THINKING OF CHANGING T BAR WITH FACE PULLS OR SOMETHING FOR THE UPPER BACK. AGAIN, MAYBE REDUCING SETS TO 3 AND ADDING ANOTHER EXERCISE. T BAR AND UNDERHAND YATES-TYPE ROWS ARE HITTING THE SAME AREA OF MY BACK TOO MUCH I THINK...DON'T KNOW. Back Width Close Grip Underhand Pull ups 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 EZ Bar Pull Overs 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 AS I SAID EARLIER, I WANT TO REPLACE BOTH THESE EXERCISES. MAYBE LAT PULLDOWNS AND SOMETHING ELSE. AGAIN, COULD ADD ANOTHER EXERCISE.. Biceps Spider Curls 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 Incline Bench Curls 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 21's 15,15,15 I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH MY LIGHT BI DAY, BUT DEFINITELY OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE I HIT BI'S/TRI'S EARLIER IN THE WEEK, THEN HEAVY ON SATURDAY. AM Fasted Cardio 35 min.

Thursday - Shoulders/Traps/Abs Shoulders Lateral Raises Warm Ups, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 Standing Overhead Presses 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 I LIKE THESE QUITE WELL BUT POSSIBLY ADDING A 3RD? Rear Laterals 8-12,8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH AT LEAST 2 OR 3 EXERCISES FOR REAR DELTS. SUGGESTIONS? Traps Barbell Shrugs 6 sets 8-12 DUMBBELL SHRUGS?? Abs Weighted Decline Sit ups 6 Sets to failure AM Fasted Cardio 35 min

Friday - Legs Squats Warm ups, Prep Set, 1-4, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 Leg Extensions 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 LEG PRESS, HACK SQUATS??? Leg Curls 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 I DON'T KNOW FOR HAMSTRINGS. SUGGESTIONS WELCOME HERE TOO!! Standing Calf Raises 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 SEATED CALF RAISES!! No Cardio

Saturday - Arms Biceps Standing Wide Grip Barbell Curls 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 SUPERSET Reverse Grip EZ Bar Curls - Under the Chin Dumbell Curls 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Concentration Curls 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Triceps Skull Crushers Warm ups, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Tri Kickbacks 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Weighted Dips 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 HERE I LIKE THE BI WORK, BUT THE SKULL CRUSHERS AND DIPS SCREW WITH MY JOINTS AND I AM SICK OF KICKBACKS. TAKING SUGGESTIONS ON BI'S AS WELL... AM Fasted Cardio 35 min

Sunday - No Cardio

Monday - AM Cardio 35 Minutes

I knew you wouldn't like the super set on my arm day, but I would take any suggestions you have on any of these.

BTW, I'm finishing my 4th reload using the STS and it's the best thing that ever happened to me. I'll post some pics at the end of the week!! AWESOME!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

It eventually had to happen. A fully equipped, air conditioned gym has opened on my island and my training buddy has bought me a year membership for helping him with his diet and workout!!!! Anyway, I've been training with my own stuff which is considerable, but I was lacking in a few areas like heavy dumbbells, pulley systems, cross-over cable machines and the like. I'm in the final week of an 8 week super high volume blast then I'm deloading for 2 weeks, followed by another 8 week blast. This is my problem. Before I was always limited in the exercises I could do because of lack of equipment. Now I'm looking around like a dog in the butcher shop, a kid in a candy store etc. This last year I really got everything dialed in (training, diet, cardio, anabolics, etc) and have had outstanding results!! I've been using pretty much the same exercises and I'd like to change some things up. Just for instance, I do all presses for chest, shrugs with a barbell, tri kickbacks twice a week, dips and such. The skull crushers and dips have hurt my elbows and rotator cuff a little, as well as the pullovers. I've been doing 6 sets of rear laterals for rear delts, but I can't really do anything different till now due to equipment restrictions. What I was hoping was I could post my workout and you guys could offer suggestions of possible changes. I never really had a chance to workout in a real gym before. At least not in the last 20 years.I highlighted some things I was thinking about off the top of my head.

Tuesday - Chest/Tri's do chest and biceps together - Chest Flat Bench Warm Ups, Prep Set , 1-4, 8-12, 8-12 Incline Bench 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 Decline Bench 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 [B]MAYBE MOVE FLAT BENCH TO THE END AND CHANGE WITH DB PRESSES OR POSSIBLY ADD SOME CROSSOVER CABLE SETS? (start with declines, then inclines and finsih off with crossovers..3 sets per exercise)/B] Triceps Close grip Bench Press 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 Overhead Dumbbell Tri Extensions 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 Tri Kickbacks 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 MAYBE ADD ANOTHER EXERCISE? CABLE/ROPE PRESSDOWNS AND REDUCE SETS TO 3 PER EXERCISE? I ALSO HATE TRI KICKBACKS. LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS HERE..do 4 sets of pushowns and 4 sets of close grip bench . AM Fasted Cardio 35 min do not do fasted cardio on training days unless trying to get ripped!

Wednesday - Back/Biceps do back and legs all by themselves-take off biceps here! Dead lift Warm up do deadlifts last so less weight needs to be used. start with width exercises, then rows then deads Prep Set, 1-4, 5-6, 5-6, 5-6, 5-6 Back Thickness Underhand Bent Over Rows Warm Ups, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 T-Bar Rows 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 I WAS THINKING OF CHANGING T BAR WITH FACE PULLS OR SOMETHING FOR THE UPPER BACK. do not do face pulls. just do over hand to upper stomach and yates style to lower stomach for 3 sets a piece AGAIN, MAYBE REDUCING SETS TO 3 AND ADDING ANOTHER EXERCISE. T BAR AND UNDERHAND YATES-TYPE ROWS ARE HITTING THE SAME AREA OF MY BACK TOO MUCH I THINK...DON'T KNOW. Back Width Close Grip Underhand pull ups do palms facing each other pulldowns (not under hand as its too much biceps and moderate/wide grip pulldonws and stop pullovers-too hard on rotator cuffs 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 EZ Bar Pull Overs 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 AS I SAID EARLIER, I WANT TO REPLACE BOTH THESE EXERCISES. MAYBE LAT PULLDOWNS AND SOMETHING ELSE. AGAIN, COULD ADD ANOTHER EXERCISE.. Biceps Spider Curls 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 Incline Bench Curls 10-15, 10-15, 10-15 21's 15,15,15 I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH MY LIGHT BI DAY, BUT DEFINITELY OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE I HIT BI'S/TRI'S EARLIER IN THE WEEK, THEN HEAVY ON SATURDAY. AM Fasted Cardio 35 min.

Thursday - Shoulders (add triceps here!)/Traps/Abs Shoulders Lateral Raises Warm Ups, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 Standing Overhead Presses 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 I LIKE THESE QUITE WELL BUT POSSIBLY ADDING A 3RD? Rear Laterals 8-12,8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH AT LEAST 2 OR 3 EXERCISES FOR REAR DELTS. SUGGESTIONS? Traps Barbell Shrugs 6 sets 8-12 DUMBBELL SHRUGS?? Abs Weighted Decline Sit ups 6 Sets to failure AM Fasted Cardio 35 min do 6 sets of seated dumbbell shrugs, start with 3 sets of seated over head dumbbel presses, 3 sets one arm at a time leaning lateral raises and only 3 sets of reverse flyes for rear delts.Friday - Legs Squats Warm ups, Prep Set, 1-4, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 Leg Extensions 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 LEG PRESS, HACK SQUATS??? Leg Curls 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 I DON'T KNOW FOR HAMSTRINGS. SUGGESTIONS WELCOME HERE TOO!! Standing Calf Raises 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12, 8-12 SEATED CALF RAISES!! No Cardio do 3 sets for squats, 3 sets for hacks and 3 sets of leg ext. do 6 sets of leg curls. 5 sets of standing calf raises and 3 sets of seated.Saturday - Arms Biceps Standing Wide Grip Barbell Curls 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 SUPERSET Reverse Grip EZ Bar Curls - Under the Chin Dumbell Curls 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Concentration Curls 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Triceps Skull Crushers Warm ups, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Tri Kickbacks 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 Weighted Dips 6-10, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10 HERE I LIKE THE BI WORK, BUT THE SKULL CRUSHERS AND DIPS SCREW WITH MY JOINTS AND I AM SICK OF KICKBACKS. TAKING SUGGESTIONS ON BI'S AS WELL... AM Fasted Cardio 35 min no super sets or reverse curls. do two bicep exercises for 4 sets a piece.
Sunday - No Cardio

Monday - AM Cardio 35 Minutes

I knew you wouldn't like the super set on my arm day, but I would take any suggestions you have on any of these.

BTW, I'm finishing my 4th reload using the STS and it's the best thing that ever happened to me. I'll post some pics at the end of the week!! AWESOME!!!

above

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...your thoughts about phil hernons training system... do you think it was mostly phils genes... or .....training system that made him large???

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie...your thoughts about phil hernons training system... do you think it was mostly phils genes... or .....training system that made him large???

I'm sure Phil's training system is good but it's mostly his genetics. He's built like a VIKING!

[kitecalifornia]

I'm sure Phil's training system is good but it's mostly his genetics. He's built like a VIKING!

Hi Ronnie.

First of all, thanks for everything , you are the bible of this.

So, I m very new with this world of steroids, for many years I wanted to try but in spain is not that easy, I m leaving in LA now, way easy to get anything you need.

8weeks cycle
So, I started two weeks ago with 4-ad ( 4-androstene-3b-ol,17-one ), and 1-andro ( same but 1-andros.....) from Advance Muscle Science.

I m doing 2ml UTT daily of each 1ml AM one PM
I will be adding Decabol next week
I will be ending with Arom-X after the 8weeks for 2 weeks more.

You think is good combination ?

So far I gain almost 1' in my biceps and I m in 164lb, I started in 155lb, but I feel some belly increase as well, my back got huge, but is for my old swimming training, I guess memory muscle.

I m training 6 days a week and my streght is extremly more, some guys at gym start to look at me wear, provable they figure it out, after 30min training all my body is pump, my shoulder are big and my back as well, as a reference I never did legs to much, stupid of me, but I m in 300lb moving on calf. biceps 55lb 5-6 reps,4 sets. for arm or 100 on Z bar

Stack xtra:
I still taking Creatine as before cycle, C4 from Cellucor
glutamin
Aminos
whey Protein,Casein at night, about 240g
6 meals a day. 3 on shakes.

Questions :

I should rest one day a week or two? or none, I feel I can workout every day.
I should add something else to the stack ?
Can I keep the creatine ? I read somewhere they said that not. !!
I read to add a lot of protector hepatic or gymo or anything like that... what you recommend for ? I m feeling good so far but some times a little annoying pain over of the testicles inside, maybe is myself "paranoiac"


Thank you anyway to everybody for you post, is fantastic to follow the real world and what is good or bad for us.

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie.

First of all, thanks for everything , you are the bible of this.

So, i m very new with this world of steroids, for many years i wanted to try but in spain is not that easy, i m leaving in la now, way easy to get anything you need.

8weeks cycle
so, i started two weeks ago with 4-ad ( 4-androstene-3b-ol,17-one ), and 1-andro ( same but 1-andros.....) from advance muscle science.

I m doing 2ml utt daily of each 1ml am one pm
i will be adding decabol next week
i will be ending with arom-x after the 8weeks for 2 weeks more.

You think is good combination ?honeslty, i do not kep up to date with pro-hormones anymore so i do not feel qualified to answer this question.so far i gain almost 1' in my biceps and i m in 164lb, i started in 155lb, but i feel some belly increase as well, my back got huge, but is for my old swimming training, i guess memory muscle. no, it's your genetics!i m training 6 days a week and my streght is extremly more, some guys at gym start to look at me wear, provable they figure it out, after 30min training all my body is pump, my shoulder are big and my back as well, as a reference i never did legs to much, stupid of me, but i m in 300lb moving on calf. Biceps 55lb 5-6 reps,4 sets. For arm or 100 on z bar

stack xtra:
I still taking creatine as before cycle, c4 from cellucor
glutamin
aminos
whey protein,casein at night, about 240g
6 meals a day. 3 on shakes.

Questions :

I should rest one day a week or two? Or none, i feel i can workout every day. i like 4 days per week but 5 max imo.
i should add something else to the stack ?
Can i keep the creatine ? I read somewhere they said that not. !! you can
i read to add a lot of protector hepatic or gymo or anything like that... What you recommend for ? I m feeling good so far but some times a little annoying pain over of the testicles inside, maybe is myself "paranoiac"[b] i wouldnt take anything else over-the-counter except liquid egg whites for protein, baby aspirin and some fish oil. fish oil works in conjuction with anti-es so everyone should take them. It also helps prevent dna damage-thus preventing certain forms of cancer. A baby aspirin a day is also a good ideal.[/b]
thank you anyway to everybody for you post, is fantastic to follow the real world and what is good or bad for us.

Thanks

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[bigbossofdariver]

one quick question, do you ever go completely go off all gear? or are you gonna be on for the rest of your life type deal?

[Ronnie Rowland]

one quick question, do you ever go completely go off all gear? or are you gonna be on for the rest of your life type deal?

I had to go on HRT at age 32 so I'll never go completely off.

[Maronn]

I had to go on HRT at age 32 so I'll never go completely off.

Hi Ronnie,

why did you have to go on HRT, if I may ask? Because of steriods or are there any other reasons?

What is your weekly dose if you are not cycling?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Maronn;5607774]Hi Ronnie,

why did you have to go on HRT, if I may ask? DUE TO TAKING NARCOTICS LONG TERM DURING MY TOUGH PERIOD OF HAVING 10 LOWER BACK SURGERIES. NARCOTICS BLOCK THE SIGNAL TO THE PITUITARY GLAND TO RELEASE TSTOSTERONE. THAT WAS AT AGE 32. NEVER USED TEST BEFOE THEN BUT WAS AROUND IT ALL MY LIFE BEING A TRAINER. Because of steriods or are there any other reasons?

What is your weekly dose if you are not cycling?200 MGS PER WEEK[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[The Titan99]

Thanks for answering my workout questions Ron. You're definitely right about doing back alone instead of back/bi's. This last 8 weeks that was torturous. That workout was going so long I felt like I needed a meal in the middle of it. Almost 3 hours!! Hard to maintain intensity for that long.

Here's my progress pics after my 4th reload. What do I need to work on the most do you think? My right Tri atrophied a lot after disc surgery last year, but it's slowly catching up. I set me back quite a bit on almost all pushing exercises. Anyway, once again, thanks for everything Ronnie!!!

[ricky23]

ronnie i forgot to ask before but can the medial head close to the elbow be targetted effectively? i think i may have mentioned it before a few months ago but since my pec tear i cant get the muscle around my elbow (injured side) to grow. my left tricep is round and full and muscle around the elbow up is full but the other side im having trouble. my injury was 6 months ago and my tricep mass is back but its just that area. ive doing alot of single arm movements also. thanks ronnie

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie i forgot to ask before but can the medial head close to the elbow be targetted effectively? I think i may have mentioned it before a few months ago but since my pec tear i cant get the muscle around my elbow (injured side) to grow. My left tricep is round and full and muscle around the elbow up is full but the other side im having trouble. My injury was 6 months ago and my tricep mass is back but its just that area. Ive doing alot of single arm movements also. Thanks ronnie

yes, you can put an emphasis on the medial head of the triceps but total isolation is impossible. I think this stems from your injury. My legs are the same way from the permanent nerve damage done to my lower back. My legs have yet to come back but all we can do is keep training while using good form to make the muscles burn and become stimulated!

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks for answering my workout questions ron. You're definitely right about doing back alone instead of back/bi's. This last 8 weeks that was torturous. That workout was going so long i felt like i needed a meal in the middle of it. Almost 3 hours!! Hard to maintain intensity for that long.

Here's my progress pics after my 4th reload. What do i need to work on the most do you think? My right tri atrophied a lot after disc surgery last year, but it's slowly catching up. I set me back quite a bit on almost all pushing exercises. Anyway, once again, thanks for everything ronnie!!!

wow!!!! You don't even look like the same person..looking fantastic!!!

[The Titan99]

wow!!!! You don't even look like the same person..looking fantastic!!!

Yea, I know!! It's workout and dietary discipline, but what REALLY did it was your Slingshot Training System and constant input and support. If it's part of your plan to create walking talking advertisements, I am one of them 110%!!!!! Thanks again, it never gets old saying it!!!

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, ive never fully done a cutting cycle before and have always tried to add lean mass so pretty much all my cycles have been test and tren at different doses. my favourite thing to do in my spare time is read this thread over and over because the advice you give is invaluable and honestly i wouldnt be where i am now without this thread and your help! after my torn pec ive done a reload of 1.5g test e and 750mg tren (tried going higher on tren with lower test but the sweats were too much!) and ive come back up to 119kg but my bf is around 20% probably higher (can still see slight abs but i think thats because of the tren hardness and haven't had accurate bf measurement) so this time i would like to cut.
i read in a previous post that no deload is needed for cutting so 16 weeks but do you think i should reduce test to 1g or keep it at 1.5? i dont think i will do tren this time because i need a break from all the sweating! and i dont have alot of money for more than another compound so should i go for masteron or primo or even anavar?
i was thinking
16 weeks 1-1.5g test p (or any other test, i dont really see why test p is needed if not preparing for a contest though! less bloat maybe?)
and 600mg mast or primo/anavar
2 weeks clen 1 week off for 6 weeks then stay on for the following 10 weeks
working upto 100mcg t3
adex if needed.

thanks a lot for your advice ronnie. appreciate your input

[ridedivefx]

Hi Ronnie,

I am on my 1st Deload (week 8-10). In reference to this i decrease my set to a total of 6 sets from 12 that i was doing in reload.

Now do I keep the weight the same and go for 8-10reps during deload or do I decrease the weight and increase the reps?

In your earlier posts you mention to decrease the volume and do 8-10 reps to failure - with that I am assuming the weights stays the same as done in reload.

Also can I do PCT during deload or do I have to half the dosage of the AAS I am taking?

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, ive never fully done a cutting cycle before and have always tried to add lean mass so pretty much all my cycles have been test and tren at different doses. My favourite thing to do in my spare time is read this thread over and over because the advice you give is invaluable and honestly i wouldnt be where i am now without this thread and your help! thank you! after my torn pec ive done a reload of 1.5g test e and 750mg tren (tried going higher on tren with lower test but the sweats were too much!) and ive come back up to 119kg but my bf is around 20% probably higher (can still see slight abs but i think thats because of the tren hardness and haven't had accurate bf measurement) so this time i would like to cut.
I read in a previous post that no deload is needed for cutting so 16 weeks but do you think i should reduce test to 1g or keep it at 1.5? reduce it to 1 gram per week. i dont think i will do tren this time because i need a break from all the sweating! And i dont have alot of money for more than another compound so should i go for masteron or primo or even anavar? go with masteron!i was thinking
16 weeks 1-1.5g test p (or any other test, i dont really see why test p is needed if not preparing for a contest though! Less bloat maybe?) i bloat the same with all brands of test. Go with test-e inorder to avoid frequent injections. Your body adjust to a lot of the water bloat from test after a while.and 600mg mast or primo/anavar 600 mgs of masteron! 2 weeks clen 1 week off for 6 weeks then stay on for the following 10 weeks
working upto 100mcg t3
adex if needed. sounds good but i have found that some lose too much muscle on t-3 even when dosed as low as 50 mcgs daily. Do no more than 75 and probably 50 will suffice. If you do cardio just skip t-3 as it can be dangerous for the heart (causes an irregular heart beat up to 3 months post cycle for some people-"scary"!).

Thanks a lot for your advice ronnie. Appreciate your input

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Yea, I know!! It's workout and dietary discipline, but what REALLY did it was your Slingshot Training System and constant input and support. If it's part of your plan to create walking talking advertisements, I am one of them 110%!!!!! Thanks again, it never gets old saying it!!!

It always makes me feel good to help others. That's why I am a personal trainer by trade. Couldnt imagine
doing anything else for a living nor could my wife. WE LOVE IT!

[holycow]

Hi Ronnie, i'd really appreciate your suggestion on my plan. I'm currently on week 12 of it. I would like your cycle suggestion on cutting at week 20 and up. I'm currently around 214 pounds, 15-16% BF, and would like to reach 10-11% or so when i’m done cutting, not much lower than that. I thought about using test-p, tren-a and winny, but I thought that might be over-doing it on the tren as it's probably hard on the body when used for so long periods.

1-8: Test-p @ 350mg/week
1-8: Tren-a @ 275mg/week

9-10 Test-e @ 250mg/week

11-14 M-drol @ 20mg/day
11-18 Test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 Tren-e @ 300mg/week

19-20 Test-e @ 250mg/week

20-??? (cutting cycle)

Diet wise, I'm currently eating like that, trying to gain some lean mass with minimal fat gain. I know that my diet is far from optimal, but that’s what I’m able to get in right now with my new job. I thought about doing a timed-carb dieting approach for when I start cutting, eating all my carbs pre-workout, pwo and the meal after that which is usually pre-bed. What do you think? It’s gonna depends on my performance at the gym though, if I start losing too much strength I might up the carbs during the day...

Meal 1:
1 cup cottage cheese with 35g whey protein
½ cup oats
½ banana
1 tbs peanut butter
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
642.3 20.7 49.3 64.7

Meal 2:
Protein drink 30g
Good amound of nuts
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
497 31 16.5 38.2

Meal 3:
~250g pork tenderlion
~300g sweet potatoe
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
789 26.8 59.7 74.7

Meal 4:
2 Protein bar
1 pear
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
474 11.2 59.7 42.6

Meal 5 (pre-workout)
50g whey protein
1 banana

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
315 0.4 27.0 51.3

Meal 6 (intra-workout)
35g BCAA’s

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
140 0 0 35

Meal 7 (pwo)
30g whey protein
1 pop tart

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
325 5.5 36.9 32.4

Meal 8:
175g chicken breast
1 cup cooked rice
1 cup cottage cheese
1 tbs peanut butter
3g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
783 31.3 53.0 90.0

Totals

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
4066 127 302 429

My body type, if it helps, is ecto/endo really...it's pretty much impossible for me to add LBM naturally (I gave it 8 years)...I can add fat though.

Thank you very much.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, i'd really appreciate your suggestion on my plan. i'm currently on week 12 of it. i would like your cycle suggestion on cutting at week 20 and up. i'm currently around 214 pounds, 15-16% bf, and would like to reach 10-11% or so when i’m done cutting, not much lower than that. I thought about using test-p, tren-a and winny, but i thought that might be over-doing it on the tren as it's probably hard on the body when used for so long periods. actually you are okay running tren for long periods. It's the orals at high doses i don'y think is smart.

1-8: Test-p @ 350mg/week
1-8: Tren-a @ 275mg/week

9-10 test-e @ 250mg/week

11-14 m-drol @ 20mg/day
11-18 test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 tren-e @ 300mg/week

19-20 test-e @ 250mg/week

20-??? (cutting cycle) test 600 mgs per week, tren 400mgs per week, winstrol 25 mgs daily. If you have joint issues stay with test/winstrol only! I would not run winstrol over 8 weeks and i think 2-4 weeks before a show is all thats needed for those with joint issues.
diet wise, i'm currently eating like that, trying to gain some lean mass with minimal fat gain. I know that my diet is far from optimal, but that’s what i’m able to get in right now with my new job. I thought about doing a timed-carb dieting approach for when i start cutting, eating all my carbs pre-workout, pwo and the meal after that which is usually pre-bed. what do you think? it’s gonna depends on my performance at the gym though, if i start losing too much strength i might up the carbs during the day...take carbs in for breakfast, pre-workout and post-workout only.
meal 1:
1 cup cottage cheese with 35g whey protein
½ cup oats
½ banana
1 tbs peanut butter
2g fish oil

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
642.3 20.7 49.3 64.7

meal 2:
protein drink 30g
good amound of nuts
2g fish oil

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
497 31 16.5 38.2

meal 3:
~250g pork tenderlion
~300g sweet potatoe
2g fish oil

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
789 26.8 59.7 74.7

meal 4:
2 protein bar
1 pear
2g fish oil

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
474 11.2 59.7 42.6

meal 5 (pre-workout)
50g whey protein
1 banana

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
315 0.4 27.0 51.3

meal 6 (intra-workout)
35g bcaa’s

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
140 0 0 35

meal 7 (pwo)
30g whey protein
1 pop tart drop the pop tart
cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
325 5.5 36.9 32.4

meal 8:
175g chicken breast
1 cup cooked rice drop rice late at night when cutting1 cup cottage cheese
1 tbs peanut butter
3g fish oil

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
783 31.3 53.0 90.0

totals

cals fat (g) carbs (g) prot (g)
4066 127 302 429

my body type, if it helps, is ecto/endo really...it's pretty much impossible for me to add lbm naturally (i gave it 8 years)...i can add fat though.replace protein shakes with some liquid egg whites. You can add 1 scoop of protein powder in with egg whites to help flavor or beter yet use carb masters yogurt at krogers grocery store and mix those4 in some egg whites. Best value egg whites from walmart is best deal!thank you very much.

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[holycow]

Hi Ronnie, i'd really appreciate your suggestion on my plan. I'm currently on week 12 of it. I would like your cycle suggestion on cutting at week 20 and up. I'm currently around 214 pounds, 15-16% BF, and would like to reach 10-11% or so when i�m done cutting, not much lower than that. I thought about using test-p, tren-a and winny, but I thought that might be over-doing it on the tren as it's probably hard on the body when used for so long periods.

1-8: Test-p @ 350mg/week
1-8: Tren-a @ 275mg/week

9-10 Test-e @ 250mg/week

11-14 M-drol @ 20mg/day
11-18 Test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 Tren-e @ 300mg/week

19-20 Test-e @ 250mg/week

20-??? (cutting cycle)

Diet wise, I'm currently eating like that, trying to gain some lean mass with minimal fat gain. I know that my diet is far from optimal, but that�s what I�m able to get in right now with my new job. I thought about doing a timed-carb dieting approach for when I start cutting, eating all my carbs pre-workout, pwo and the meal after that which is usually pre-bed. What do you think? It�s gonna depends on my performance at the gym though, if I start losing too much strength I might up the carbs during the day...

Meal 1:
1 cup cottage cheese with 35g whey protein
� cup oats
� banana
1 tbs peanut butter
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
642.3 20.7 49.3 64.7

Meal 2:
Protein drink 30g
Good amound of nuts
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
497 31 16.5 38.2

Meal 3:
~250g pork tenderlion
~300g sweet potatoe
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
789 26.8 59.7 74.7

Meal 4:
2 Protein bar
1 pear
2g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
474 11.2 59.7 42.6

Meal 5 (pre-workout)
50g whey protein
1 banana

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
315 0.4 27.0 51.3

Meal 6 (intra-workout)
35g BCAA�s

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
140 0 0 35

Meal 7 (pwo)
30g whey protein
1 pop tart

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
325 5.5 36.9 32.4

Meal 8:
175g chicken breast
1 cup cooked rice
1 cup cottage cheese
1 tbs peanut butter
3g fish oil

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
783 31.3 53.0 90.0

Totals

Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g)
4066 127 302 429

My body type, if it helps, is ecto/endo really...it's pretty much impossible for me to add LBM naturally (I gave it 8 years)...I can add fat though.

Thank you very much.

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Thanks big guy.

I've been adopting your approach. I've been eating carbs only at breakfast, pre-wo and post-wo, and added 2 cup egg whites and 2 oz mixed nuts instead of protein bars and shakes. My diet has gotten a lot better.

I still have a few more questions for you. Do you think that the carbs that I eat pre-workout are giving me energy at all during my workout? I mean, do they have the time to reach my glycogen stores? I'm currently taking in 30g carbs via oats, along with a 50g whey shake pre-workout, and bcaa's during.

On non-workout days, I thought about eating carbs for the first two meals of the day, and then eating pro-fat meals till bed time. Sounds good?

Also, is it safe to re-mix my hcg in the same vial that held my last 5000 iu's?

One last question. Is it okay to switch the few exercises that stall during the middle of a reload? For example, I've used incline bench for my first reload, and now 5 weeks into my second reload i'm losing reps on it, so I thought I'd switch it with something else before my deload shows up..


Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks big guy.

I've been adopting your approach. I've been eating carbs only at breakfast, pre-wo and post-wo, and added 2 cup egg whites and 2 oz mixed nuts instead of protein bars and shakes. My diet has gotten a lot better.

I still have a few more questions for you. Do you think that the carbs that i eat pre-workout are giving me energy at all during my workout? absolutely! It only takes a few minutes to help someone recover from training induced low blood sugar when some carbohydrates are ingested. i mean, do they have the time to reach my glycogen stores? I'm currently taking in 30g carbs via oats, along with a 50g whey shake pre-workout, and bcaa's during. skip whey and bcaa's and use only liquid egg whites for amino acids/protein and mix them with a cup of yogurt. Keep oats in as well.on non-workout days, i thought about eating carbs for the first two meals of the day, and then eating pro-fat meals till bed time. Sounds good? i would take carbs in first 3 meals of day, every day, regardless of whether you work out or not inorder to prevent muscle loss and blood sugar crashes.

Also, is it safe to re-mix my hcg in the same vial that held my last 5000 iu's? yesone last question. Is it okay to switch the few exercises that stall during the middle of a reload? For example, i've used incline bench for my first reload, and now 5 weeks into my second reload i'm losing reps on it, so i thought i'd switch it with something else before my deload shows up..if you are losing reps then you are over-trained or dieting down hard enough to lose strengththanks!

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[hooray]

Hi Ronnie
first of all, thx for that trainning method, its very interesting.
Im on the 4th week of the first reload, im amaze by the result, lean muscle mass!every week i see a difference in size!
29 years old
5'9
190lbs 12%

1-8 60mg tren A
1-8 50mg test prop
9-10 40mg test prop
11-19 600mg deca
11-19 600mg test enant
1-21 250iu twice a week HCG

here is my trainning routine, 1 day on 1 day off
1- back, bicep
2- chest, abs
3- legs,forearms
4- shoulder,tricep

im doing 9-12 sets to the failure for every muscle group

I would like to know what you think about all that, thank you !!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie
first of all, thx for that trainning method, its very interesting.
Im on the 4th week of the first reload, im amaze by the result, lean muscle mass!every week i see a difference in size!
29 years old
5'9
190lbs 12%

1-8 60mg tren a
1-8 50mg test prop
9-10 40mg test prop [b]how often aer you shooting prop? I would start cycle off with test/deca and end with test/tren [/b
]11-19 600mg deca
11-19 600mg test enant
1-21 250iu twice a week hcg

here is my trainning routine, 1 day on 1 day off
1- back, bicep chest/biceps
2- chest, abs back
3- legs,forearms shoulders/triceps
4- shoulder,tricep legs
im doing 9-12 sets to the failure for every muscle group 9 sets for arms is plenty!
i would like to know what you think about all that, thank you !!

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[lynxeffect1]

at the moment its test e 1200mg alone, used dbol at the start but had to drop them. i dont have a calipers ron but must get one. ive taken arimidex before and novla this cycle, think the arimidex was better but so expensive, ur sayn dont take any? how do they ruin ur joints? in my next reload il go back to 900mg test e then 1200 again this is right isnt it ron? and repeat as long as im getn results. im prob gona add tren in next time and was thinking of using tren ent this time instead of ace, but before i used parabolan twice and both times had to drop it due to very bad flu, never got flu with tren ace so wud getn the flu have anything to do with being a longer ester ? in which case i cud get it again from the ent version