You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie

thanks for the reply - its great you give up your time to help so many people.

I had a couple of other questions:

1. Im reading conflicting ways to utilise pct - would you recommend hcg only for pct and at what dose / duration? run hcg only if no anti-es are used while on cycle to combat gyno pain. Run it 2 1/2 weeks at 2500iu eod. If an anti-e is used while on cycle then stay on it for 4 weeks post cycle. baring in mind i am only running 400mg test e per week.

2. I may decide to stay on for 2 reload/delaod cycles (20 weeks) i would!......... So would my pct be different amounts/duration compared to if i stayed on for just one cycle of reload/deload (10 weeks) it's the same either way. 3. If i decided to run just one reload/deload on aas for 8 weeks at 400mg test e would i still deload at 200mg for 2 weeks to make a 10 week cycle? yes you want to taper down to 200 per week with your dosages or just run test e at same dose, 400mg for the whole 10 weeks?

4. I may be trying for a baby late next year and at 31 did not want to ruin my chances - will using aas be an issue for the future (in general from your experince as a trainer over the years)? no, but don't take the chance as having a kid is more important than some extra muscle mass! If you run a second reload use 500 ius of hcg per week divided into two weekly injections and follow up with 2500 iu of hcg for 2 weeks post cycle just to be on the safe side..many thanks in advance

lew

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
thanks for the reply.
My current training routine is like this:
Monday = chest and bi's ( chest/biceps/triceps)
tuesday = legs and calves (legs/calves)
wednesday = shoulders and forearms (back/rear delts/traps/forearms)
friday = back and triceps (shoulders/biceps/triceps)
how would you incorporate arms twice per week in my routine?

I have always trained low reps and heavy weight as this is what is said to build mass and strength. It is also said that low weight and high reps, cuts you up rather than gain mass and strength. anywhere from 4-15 reps builds muscle mass with 6-12 being optimal! This rep range also provides the most cuts as it causes the most gains. considering my goal is to add strength and mass, do you think switching to low weight and high reps would be of any benefit to me? stay with 6-12 reps for the most part using a holostic rep-range.

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[Yellow]

Hi Ron,

Glad to see you again in this thread with awesome & excellent information and advices.

I have just finished 30 weeks slingshot cycle (3 reloads + 3 deloads). I'm on 4th week into PCT now. Everything seems good. Keep most of the strength although lose a bit of size and bodyweight. I want to take another 6-7 weeks OFF after PCT has been done then do another 30 weeks slingshot cycle.

What is your thought on Tbol compared to Dbol, Ron?
How many mgs per day is the good dose of it?
I am considering it because my base of every cycle is Test, since I got bloated when running either Dbol or Drol with Test together.

Thanks for your help, Ron...

Hi ron, I think you missed my post above..

[BlownKingpin]

Ronnie, I'm starting my clen cycle and im going to start with 20,mcg a day, then add 20 each week and pretty much follow your clen cycle guidlines....My question is i have a new bottle of Nutrex Lipo 6X. I know you mentioned T-3 and other thyroid support helps the clen cycle. Will Nutrex lipo6x stacked on my clen cycle help me shed fat better?
thank you for your time.
BlownKingpin

[Heman78]

I just would like to know is omna 250 toxic to liver? is there anything one should take to support liver health. I see ppl talkin about Saw palmetto. and i havent gotten my Deca yet but when I do can I go right into useing it??????? Thanx for all the help u have given me!!!!!!! and for for my next reload should i use the same gear formula. I'm lookin for mass right now or should I be taking a cutting stack to stay riped through out the cycle

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=delta1111;5400849]Ronnie,
Can test, masteron, trenbolone and clenbuterol be used as a mass builder in a clean bulk cycle? I know these are primarily cutting drugs but was wondering what you thought. yes they can but I would caution using much clen during a lean bulk as it has side effects. I prefer clen for cutting cycles only if at that. /QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

i just would like to know is omna 250 toxic to liver? no! is there anything one should take to support liver health. you could take liv-52 or milk thistle but i dislike it very much because it causes side effects and is not that effective. It could also hurt your gains .i i see ppl talkin about saw palmetto. FOR WHAT? And i havent gotten my deca yet but when i do can i go right into useing it??????? Thanx for all the help u have given me!!!!!!! And for for my next reload should i use the same gear formula. I'm lookin for mass right now or should i be taking a cutting stack to stay riped through out the cycle STAY WITH MASS DRUGS

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, i'm starting my clen cycle and im going to start with 20,mcg a day, then add 20 each week (add 20 mgs every two weeks) and pretty much follow your clen cycle guidlines....my question is i have a new bottle of nutrex lipo 6x. I know you mentioned t-3 and other thyroid support helps the clen cycle. Will nutrex lipo6x stacked on my clen cycle help me shed fat better? no...lol..take only clen and focus on training/diet/cardio.thank you for your time.
Blownkingpin

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron,

glad to see you again in this thread with awesome & excellent information and advices.

I have just finished 30 weeks slingshot cycle (3 reloads + 3 deloads). I'm on 4th week into pct now. Everything seems good. Keep most of the strength although lose a bit of size and bodyweight. I want to take another 6-7 weeks off after pct has been done then do another 30 weeks slingshot cycle.

What is your thought on tbol compared to dbol, ron? i would stick to the tried and true-"d-bol" for maximum gains as the estrogen conversions helps you make gains

how many mgs per day is the good dose of it? it depends on how you do with this drug. For some 25-50 mgs tops but some do venture up to 100 mgs per day. I think 50 is adequate for most users. Those who not get along well with moderate dosages of d-bol should try taking only 10 mgs per day at bedtime, as even this small amount can reduce cortisol levels by around 50%. . I am considering it because my base of every cycle is test, since i got bloated when running either dbol or drol with test together. bloat is good for size/strength gains unless you have blood pressure issues.

thanks for your help, ron...

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie what's ur opion on this, the doc office just cslled me with the results she said that my liver was slightly abnorm but not to worry and just come in so we can discuss support treatment. From ur experience what do u think bpout this? sounds odd! Working out hard with weights is probably causing your slight elevation in liver enzymes. They are not going to give you anything for your liver enzymes. Be cautious in whom you trust! go hard or go home!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Heman78]

above

yeah thanx i have been. but at the same time I'm trying not to self medicate do to the the fact that a lot of herbs, and other remidiesmay not be contra indicated with the supplements that im taking........

[The Titan99]

Hey Everyone,
My Spinal surgery is complete and I already am 95% better. I have a spacer between C2-C3 and another one between C6-C7. He took a ton of disk out that was seriously consticting the nerve. The post op/pre op Xrays are like night and day!!! This Doctor is a star!! He told me as long as I wear the support collar, I can go back to hitting the big weight immediately. It really feels like I could, and I tried to impress on him 150-160 kg Deadlifts were what I was talking about. He said its cool though. What do you think Ron? You suggested already that I drop down from 1 gram to 500 mg Test, drop the 600 mg Deca and add in 20 mg of Var ed for the next 8 weeks along with the HCG 250 iu's twice a week 4 weeks post op and 100 mg proviron ed for a 2 month recovery period. I'm wondering about starting back up with my original reload and original cycle. It seems too good to be true that this would be possible. After the last 10 months of nerve pain and numbness the last thing I want to do is re-f**k myself, but this guy seriously isn't giving me any boundries. I know you've had some first hand experience with this type of thing and would love to get your opinion on lift/weight adjustments (% of max maybe?), how to change my diet (currently carb cycling at 350/220/80) or maybe even a prime or deload? Let me know what you think, keeping in mind I think we all know what I'm REALLY wanting to do...lol. Thanks in advance buddy.

[Yellow]

hi ron,
glad to see you again in this thread with awesome & excellent information and advices.

I have just finished 30 weeks slingshot cycle (3 reloads + 3 deloads). I'm on 4th week into pct now. Everything seems good. Keep most of the strength although lose a bit of size and bodyweight. I want to take another 6-7 weeks off after pct has been done then do another 30 weeks slingshot cycle.

What is your thought on tbol compared to dbol, ron? i would stick to the tried and true-"d-bol" for maximum gains as the estrogen conversions helps you make gains

how many mgs per day is the good dose of it? it depends on how you do with this drug. For some 25-50 mgs tops but some do venture up to 100 mgs per day. I think 50 is adequate for most users. Those who not get along well with moderate dosages of d-bol should try taking only 10 mgs per day at bedtime, as even this small amount can reduce cortisol levels by around 50%. . I am considering it because my base of every cycle is test, since i got bloated when running either dbol or drol with test together. bloat is good for size/strength gains unless you have blood pressure issues.

OK then, I would run dbol even get bloat.
Previous cycle I ran dbol 30mg stacked with 500mg test enanthate troughout reload and my blood pressure was on the average 150-ish/100-ish. Do you think it's a problem?
Also dbol always makes me acne breakout.

[jacklenore]

Hey all, I was considering taking H Drol. Im 23, about 5'10" and 175 lbs. I work out every day, but only lift weights about 2 of those days. I do tons of military work outs at home (push ups, pull ups, dips, abs, lunges, squats, and many others not using weights but pushing to muscle failure). I also take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (which is submission wrestling) and boxing about 5 days a week along with jogging. If I wanted to take H drol, would I have to start lifting weights more or am I okay with the excersing I do now?

[Cronos]

Thanks very much for your input on my bloodwork Ron. I have followed this thread since the beginning, and have learned so much. I know from reading about you that you have been a PT for over 20 years, and have not only trained bodybuilders, but powerlifters and other athletes as well. I absolutely love your 20 week blasts method, whether I'm on the gas or all natural it works great. I have recently made the transition from bodybuilding training to powerlifting training, but am having a difficult time formulating an optimal structured program geared for powerlifting. Could you PLEASE suggest to me an optimal powerlifting routine? I know you must know how to design one of these. I already have a very good base, and I will be competing in late Feburary, but I need a structured routine to adhere to! Thank you a ton in advance!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Everyone,
My Spinal surgery is complete and I already am 95% better. I am glad to hear this! There's nothing worse than having severe chronic pain and no doctors offering any successful help. I have a spacer between C2-C3 and another one between C6-C7. He took a ton of disk out that was seriously consticting the nerve. The post op/pre op Xrays are like night and day!!! This Doctor is a star!! He told me as long as I wear the support collar, I can go back to hitting the big weight immediately. I would still hold back on lifting heavy and straining. I've seen things wrong before. Give it 2 months before lifting light to moderate weights with that brace. After 4 months take off the brace and go for it! That's my best advice afte3r having experienced 10 lower back surgeries .. It really feels like I could, and I tried to impress on him 150-160 kg Deadlifts were what I was talking about. He said its cool though. What do you think Ron? I say no! You suggested already that I drop down from 1 gram to 500 mg Test, drop the 600 mg Deca and add in 20 mg of Var ed for the next 8 weeks along with the HCG 250 iu's twice a week 4 weeks post op and 100 mg proviron ed for a 2 month recovery period. I'm wondering about starting back up with my original reload and original cycle. Wait 8 weeks then go back on light weight-reload. It seems too good to be true that this would be possible. After the last 10 months of nerve pain and numbness the last thing I want to do is re-f**k myself, but this guy seriously isn't giving me any boundries. I know you've had some first hand experience with this type of thing and would love to get your opinion on lift/weight adjustments (% of max maybe?), how to change my diet (currently carb cycling at 350/220/80) or maybe even a prime or deload? Let me know what you think, keeping in mind I think we all know what I'm REALLY wanting to do...lol. I know you want to hit it hard but trust me on this one-WAIT IT OUT! Start back slowly iwht light weights in 8 week using brace and no deadlifts period for 4 weeks. I'm looking out for you here! Thanks in advance buddy.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

OK then, I would run dbol even get bloat.
Previous cycle I ran dbol 30mg stacked with 500mg test enanthate troughout reload and my blood pressure was on the average 150-ish/100-ish. Do you think it's a problem?
Also dbol always makes me acne breakout.

Your lower number is too high in my opinion. 100 is not good. What's your body fat level and do you do cardio?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=jacklenore;5411683]Hey all, I was considering taking H Drol. Im 23, about 5'10" and 175 lbs. I work out every day, but only lift weights about 2 of those days. I do tons of military work outs at home (push ups, pull ups, dips, abs, lunges, squats, and many others not using weights but pushing to muscle failure). I also take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (which is submission wrestling) and boxing about 5 days a week along with jogging. If I wanted to take H drol, would I have to start lifting weights more or am I okay with the excersing I do now? Lift weights! [/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks very much for your input on my bloodwork Ron. I have followed this thread since the beginning, and have learned so much. I know from reading about you that you have been a PT for over 20 years, and have not only trained bodybuilders, but powerlifters and other athletes as well. I absolutely love your 20 week blasts method, whether I'm on the gas or all natural it works great. I have recently made the transition from bodybuilding training to powerlifting training, but am having a difficult time formulating an optimal structured program geared for powerlifting. Could you PLEASE suggest to me an optimal powerlifting routine? I know you must know how to design one of these. I already have a very good base, and I will be competing in late Feburary, but I need a structured routine to adhere to! Thank you a ton in advance!

I believe in keeping it simple. I would suggest using the 5/3/1 system for starters.

[kelevra]

Hey thanks for the effort you have put in here.
I’m thinking about giving the sling shot a run. I have run a test, deca, and dbol cycle before with no sides to speak of. So I would like to use the same gear. I would like to outline my thought to make sure I have it and get your input. And what is your take on small dose of HCG while on cycle? Like 250iu 2x week THANKS.
Week 1-4 dbol@30mg ED
Week 1-8 Test E 500mg
Week1-8 Deca 500mg
Deload Week 8-10 TestE @ 250mg weekly
Week 11-14 dbol@30mg ED
Week 11-18 Test E 500mg
Week11-18 Deca 500mg
Deload Week 18-20 TestE @ 250mg weekly
Then maybe 8 to10 Weeks PCT

[jacklenore]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5411847]

Hey all, I was considering taking H Drol. Im 23, about 5'10" and 175 lbs. I work out every day, but only lift weights about 2 of those days. I do tons of military work outs at home (push ups, pull ups, dips, abs, lunges, squats, and many others not using weights but pushing to muscle failure). I also take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (which is submission wrestling) and boxing about 5 days a week along with jogging. If I wanted to take H drol, would I have to start lifting weights more or am I okay with the excersing I do now? Lift weights! [/QUOTE]above

Ronnie, Do i need to start a lifting program before I start to take the H Drol? IF so, how long should I wait before taking it? Thanks for your help!

[Cronos]

I believe in keeping it simple. I would suggest using the 5/3/1 system for starters.

Thanks very much, Ron. I will look into it.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

cloe grip...vs...wide grip pulldowns...for back width????

[Yellow]

OK then, I would run dbol even get bloat.
Previous cycle I ran dbol 30mg stacked with 500mg test enanthate troughout reload and my blood pressure was on the average 150-ish/100-ish. Do you think it's a problem?
Also dbol always makes me acne breakout.

Your lower number is too high in my opinion. 100 is not good. What's your body fat level and do you do cardio?

My bodyfat level is 10%. Yes, I do cardio 3-4times a week (@25-30mins per session). What about that?

Do you think the bodyfat level and cardio routine impact someone's blood pressure?

[SomeRandomGuy]

Just about to start Week 8 of Test E 600mg, Deca 400mg. Even though I frontloaded, it still took till about Week 5-6 to really notice the gains. Still, now I'm back up to benching 315 for an easy 10-12, so good indicator that it's doing something. I really try to eat clean, but I cheat frequently. Up to 250lbs dry weight at 5'10". I wouldn't say I've really gained much fat, in fact, I may have lost some.

Still, my question is this; I want to get truly lean at least once in my life (well I was lean at 18), but one more time . Right now I'm not really doing any cardio, but lifting 5 days a week. With what drugs and what regimen and what time would you suggest trying to get lean? During a cycle? At the tail end? After PCT before next cycle? I've read that you don't want to reduce caloric intake if you're trying to make a PCT effective because it hinders natural production of test. So when should I diet/cardio/clen/T3/Keto? I almost think it might make sense to do another cycle after this one with some Clen and Tren (of course with a Test base) and just make it a cutter cycle, that way I don't lose any muscle. If I do cutting after PCT I'm gonna drop into a deep depression .

Thanks.

[yannyboy]

Can I just say as a new member who only joined the forum 2 days ago, that this is the best thread I have ever read. I am only on page 15 but I can't stop reading it. Full of useful, important and logical information. I have been blasting/cruising since June this year where I have been blasting for 8 weeks and cruising for 8 weeks, so I seem to have got half of it right. I will cruise to the end of the year then I am going to go for the 8 weeks reload, 2 weeks deload from then on. I tried 10-12 week cycles in the past with a PCT and long break and found the losses to be horrendous. Anyway, got to get back to reading the rest of this thread, LOL. Cheers Ronnie for such a great thread.

[Ronnie Rowland]

cloe grip...vs...wide grip pulldowns...for back width???? You need both if at all possible but as I have progressed, I agree with Dorian Yates in that close grip is better because the biceps are not compromised and you can pull more weight through a better range of motion. Close grip with palms facing each other is easier on my bicep tendon-hence allowing me to push more weight. You may find a wider grip works better for your structure, but IMO close grip done right is best for a base-line width exercise.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

my bodyfat level is 10%. Yes, i do cardio 3-4times a week (@25-30mins per session). What about that? your good!do you think the bodyfat level and cardio routine impact someone's blood pressure?absolutely! Salt intake and a lack of water also increase blood pressure. But i think in your case it's genetics. I would try test-e and tren-e combo and leave d-bol alone and see how it goes.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Just about to start Week 8 of Test E 600mg, Deca 400mg. Even though I frontloaded, it still took till about Week 5-6 to really notice the gains. Still, now I'm back up to benching 315 for an easy 10-12, so good indicator that it's doing something. I really try to eat clean, but I cheat frequently. Up to 250lbs dry weight at 5'10". I wouldn't say I've really gained much fat, in fact, I may have lost some.

Still, my question is this; I want to get truly lean at least once in my life (well I was lean at 18), but one more time . Right now I'm not really doing any cardio, but lifting 5 days a week. With what drugs and what regimen and what time would you suggest trying to get lean? TEST-E,TREN-E for 16 weeks,/TEST,TREN,maybe T-3 for 12 weeks, add CLEN for last 8 weeks and maybe some winstrol last 4 week sof 16 week cycle.. Never diet without anabolics as muscle loss will occur-hence increasing bodyfat through a slowing metabolism, etc. And During a cycle? At the tail end? After PCT before next cycle? Skip PCT and start dieting down with a cuttling cycle. I've read that you don't want to reduce caloric intake if you're trying to make a PCT effective because it hinders natural production of test. So when should I diet/cardio/clen/T3/Keto? Following pct do a long 16 week cutting cycle with no deloads.. I almost think it might make sense to do another cycle after this one with some Clen and Tren (of course with a Test base) and just make it a cutter cycle, that way I don't lose any muscle. If I do cutting after PCT I'm gonna drop into a deep depression I WOULD START 16 WEEK CUTTING CYCLE AND FORGET PCT.

Thanks.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey thanks for the effort you have put in here.
I’m thinking about giving the sling shot a run. I have run a test, deca, and dbol cycle before with no sides to speak of. So i would like to use the same gear. I would like to outline my thought to make sure i have it and get your input. And what is your take on small dose of hcg while on cycle? 250 iu of hcg twice a week is fine!
like 250iu 2x week thanks.
Week 1-4 dbol@30mg ed
week 1-8 test e 500mg
week1-8 deca 500mg
deload week 8-10 teste @ 250mg weekly
week 11-14 dbol@30mg ed (you have the option of doing 50 mgs per day here)
week 11-18 test e 500mg (increase test to 1 gram per week)
week11-18 deca 500mg
deload week 18-20 teste @ 250mg weekly
then maybe 8 to10 weeks pct looks good

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[Ronnie Rowland]

I PULLED THIS ARTICLE ABOUT PROVIRON OFF THE NET. MANY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING GYNO YET ARE ALSO AFRAID OF THE SIDE EFFECTS OF ANTI-ES. PROVIRON CAN BE A GOOD ROUTE TO TAKE TO COMBAT ELEVATED ESTROGEN LEVELS WHILE SPARING JOINTS AND LIBIDO!


Proviron

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More info on proviron:

Mesterolone is an orally active, 1-methylated DHT. Like Masteron, but then actually delivered in an oral fashion. DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen. One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame. Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha (5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol), a prohormone if you will. It can equally convert back to DHT by way of the same enzyme when low levels of DHT are detected. But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy.

Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding. The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than testosterone does. That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels.

The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor.

Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing “harder” muscles with more cuts and striations. Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed. Like the other methylated DHT compound, drostanolone, mesterolone is particularly potent in achieving this feat.

Lastly Proviron is used during a cycle of certain hormones such as nandrolone, with a distinct lack of androgenic nature, or perhaps 5-alpha reduced hormones that don’t have the same affinities as DHT does. Such compounds, thinking of trenbolone, nandrolone and such in particular, have been known to decrease libido. Limiting the athlete to perform sexually being the logical result. DHT plays a key role in this process and is therefore administered in conjunction with such steroids to ease or relieve this annoying side-effect. Proviron is also commonly prescribed by doctors to people with low levels of testosterone, or patients with chronic impotence. Its not perceived as a powerful anabolic, but it gets the job done equally well if not better than other anabolic steroids making it a favorite in medical practices due to its lower chance of abuse.

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn’t necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe,

I will post an abstract to refute these next statements at the bottom of the page

Its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

Stacking and Use:

Mesterolone is an oral alkylated steroid. If used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, using it throughout a longer cycle (10-12 weeks) of injectables may elevate liver values a little bit, though much, much less than one would expect with a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid. Eventhough instead of inhibiting gains, mesterolone may actually contribute to gains. So that’s a bit of a shame. Its not quite as toxic since its not alkylated in the same fashion, but at the 1 position, which reduces hepatic breakdown, but not like 17-alpha alkylation. The reason for the change of position I assume, is because alkylating at the 17-alpha position has been shown to reduce affinity for sex hormone binding proteins. This would in turn decrease its ability to free testosterone. Nonetheless the delivery rate is quite good. Its taken daily in 50-100 mg doses.

The best thing to stack it with is testosterone of course. Its most easily bound to SHBG and albumin, and deactivated for up to 98%. Since the DHT can compete for these structures with higher affinity it would naturally lead to a higher yield of whatever testosterone product you stacked it with. Since DHT levels are notably higher now there is also more stimulation of the androgen receptor causing more strength gains, and because of its affinity for aromatase the overall estrogen level decreases as well. This has as a result that gains are leaner, and once again the overall testosterone yield is increased as less I converted at the aromatase enzyme.

It’s of course used in other stacks with products such as methandrostenolone, boldenone and nandrolone to reduce estrogenic activity and increase muscle hardness. The addition of proviron makes boldenone a dead lock for a cutting stack and for some may even make it possible to use nandrolone while cutting, although the use of Winstrol or a receptor antagonist in conjunction is wishful as well. The benefit of adding it to a nandrolone stack is that it may also help you reduce the decrease in libido suffered from nandrolone, since the latter is mostly deactivated by 5-alpha reductase, an enzyme that makes other hormones more androgenic.

Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would be futile and redundant. Blood pressure medication for those prone to hypertension may be wise, as this DHT can increase the blood pressure.
Abstract refuting that Proviron is not highly suppressive

Here is the study I was referring to. Only 85 men out of 250 showed any suppression. Proviron did not shut down the HPTA in any of the subjects and that was at 150mg for 1 year. I would say its pretty safe and has very little effect on one’s HPTA

This study shows no effect on normal LH and FSH with 100-150mg/ d mesterolone, and decrease of FSH/LH that were elevated.
Proviron doesn’t substitute Clomid as hpta therapy, but doesn’t get in the way, either.
The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.

Varma TR, Patel RH.

Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George’s Hospital Medical School London, U.K.

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.

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Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.

Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.

We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased.

Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL.
There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH.
Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in t3 and increases in t3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged.

In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH.
Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.
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[The Titan99]

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That's what I was afraid you'd say. As much as I hate to hear this, I respect your opinion more. 8 week break from lifting...ARGH!!! So I stay on 500 mg Test C, 20 mg Anavar ed and after 4 weeks restart the HCG at 250 iu's twice week. I've been taking Proviron to combat the 600 mg of Deca I was taking. Should I just drop that too? Also, since I can't just sit here, I was thinking of cycling some Clen and doing cardio 5-6 times a week. Would this be a good idea? I'm currently at about 12-13% BF and could use this time to diet down maybe? What about my diet. When I was reloading I was doing 350 protien/220 carb/80 fat. What would you do to drop fat and lose as little muscle mass as possible? Maybe 1.25 g of protien per pound then split the fat and carb calories? How much in calorie deficit should I try to stay?

Maybe your proviron info post answered my Proviron question? Yes, I stay on 100 mg ed to enhance the Test C?

[yannyboy]

I know you train 8 weeks low reps with more sets and then have 2 weeks of fewer sets with higher reps. So how do you train in PCT or when having a break?

[yannyboy]

What do you think of Metformin?
I read that you need to cut protein for 2 weeks in the priming stage of the diet to help with insulin sensitivity and Metformin does this.

[Juicedupmonkey]

Ronnie I know during reloads you do 2 warm up sets plus a prep set when doing mid range reps at 8-10 but when say during a deload doing 12-15reps do we still need that prep set? Or will 2 warm up sets do fine and skip the prep set?

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
When performing bicep curls, do you start each rep from a straight arm position to encourage development of a longer fuller bicep? or do you come down to a slightly bent arm to keep tension on the muscle at all times? Advantages and disadvantages of using each method please.
Many thanks.

[Heman78]

Ronnie, im trying to bring out my upper pecs and going for over all thickness. what would be best to do for this....... im still doing my 8 week reload im taking omna 500mg a week thinkin bout bumpin it up to 750... im taking 300 mg of dedca should i bump it up to 400mg. started the deca this week. im on my third week of omna i feel stronger and im starting to see good gains. i wanna stack it with dbol as well. Would you advise this? or should i just stick with what I have for now? thanx Ronnie, you know ur stuff. and how many weeks bofore a show should i start a cutting cycle. i have at the end of march, i wanna come in wit an eye popin package, and leave with a win.

[The Titan99]

Just as a side note. I've been away from home for almost 4 weeks getting spinal surgery. I brought the first weeks worth of Test C with me, but was here longer than expected. I lifted pretty heavy in week 2 and had surgery in week 3. Had to pick up some Test in Bangkok to do the 250 mg leading up to surgery as well as the 500 mg post op. Got some vials of "Testoviron Depot" from a Pharmacy. It was fake!!!! I went from 113 kg to 104 kg in about 10 days. DAMN!!! Finally after all my friends said I was shrinking I weighed myself and figured it out. Last night I did 500 mg of Test Comp (Sustanon) and plan to do 250 mg on Thursday. Was this the right thing to do? Should I have done 1 gram? I'm so f**king angry I could kill someone!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

that's what i was afraid you'd say. As much as i hate to hear this, i respect your opinion more. 8 week break from lifting...argh!!! So i stay on 500 mg test c, 20 mg anavar ed and after 4 weeks restart the hcg at 250 iu's twice week. i would. I've been taking proviron to combat the 600 mg of deca i was taking. Should i just drop that too? yes also, since i can't just sit here, i was thinking of cycling some clen and doing cardio 5-6 times a week. Would this be a good idea? yes, it will prime your body i'm currently at about 12-13% bf and could use this time to diet down maybe? What about my diet. When i was reloading i was doing 350 protien/220 carb/80 fat. What would you do to drop fat and lose as little muscle mass as possible? decrease calories as needed and just focus on cardio maybe 1.25 g of protien per pound then split the fat and carb calories? yes how much in calorie deficit should i try to stay?500 cals
maybe your proviron info post answered my proviron question? Yes, i stay on 100 mg ed to enhance the test c? no

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[Ronnie Rowland]

i know you train 8 weeks low reps with more sets and then have 2 weeks of fewer sets with higher reps. So how do you train in pct or when having a break?

i would just train normal in pct but it's okay to reduce work sets by 25% if needed.